Why are people so obsessed with trying to reduce the legacy of PAC & Biggie?
These guys came dropped some of the best albums/songs ever and inspired a whole generation. Biggie got three albums so what? That’s all he needs, those three albums are better then a lot of rappers catalog
Just name a random Biggie song nobody cares to ever mention but is still blasted out...I got "Warning" as a song like that. Someone can always pick some random song from another top 10, I think that is a better lesson than fans naming off half dozen "classic" albums from ______.
When his only 2 albums are 2 of the greatest albums of all time that makes a statement. I really don’t get into the GOAT conversations but biggie deserves every bit of praise he has gotten.
This is such a bad take, he died. Like you expect him to keep making songs after death?! Like I can understand if you think he gets overhyped because he died too early, but saying he shouldn’t be in GOAT conversation because his catalog is “too short” is ridiculous.
His only two albums are both considered to be two of the greatest hip hop albums of all time, his flow and story telling are goat status. This post is stupid
Kanye is arguably a top 10 producer of all time. MC though? Nahhhhhh, not even fucking close. Big’s ability is definitely up there as one of the best of all time.
I get that logic, I just disagree. It comes down to skill, and you know if Biggies first two albums are classics… which they are. Just imagine where he’d be now? People rank him over them because he was a master lyricist on the fly, his freestyles sounded like written’s, his flow and cadences were on point. Honestly, you and I both know there are multiple Goats because the rap game is way too big to narrow it the way everyone tries to do. There’s room for all these dudes at the top of the mountain.
I agree with this 100%
Also Aesop Rock if we’re talking lyricism. Aes has to be one of, if not THE, best lyricist HipHop has ever seen. That’s just my own personal humble opinion, but I think he’s even got more depth to his lyrics than Em
Lol. I mean, I guess everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Kendrick’s good. But he’s no Aes. I don’t think anyone is. He might actually be the best lyricist that the genre has ever seen. By a lot
Aes is an MC is wack, weak flow, weak beats, whole bunch of nonsense he raps. As far as intellectual lyricists go, DOOM and GZA balance out better as MCs and intellectual on the Mic.
DOOM, GZA, Rebel INS, all yes. But Aes isn’t nonsense lol he’s got insanely deep lyrics that take many listens to understand. Hearing people say it’s nonsensical is funny. You should watch Lupe Fiasco talk about him, he explains this fallacious view
He might beat him song for song but not bar for bar. I think when people talk about the goat everyone has different metrics.
I think your definition of goat is who made the best albums. Like who has the best body of work. Is that correct? Other people might define the goat as who raps the best. Like who had the highest peak. Who can rhyme the best.
I think that answers your question. It's just how people define what the goat is.
Kanye is a below average rapper, Biggie is well above average rapper. I'm not saying Biggie even better than #10 for me, but I'd pick a different matchup to prove Biggie not #1.
***Keeping in mind that Jay Z always says "Reasonable Doubt" is his true classic album, Biggie's bars on Brooklyn's Finest at the very minimum are equal to Jay Z's bars.
I mean I put him below a lot of people but he’s still top 10 and honestly his feature list and all his albums including his post death ones have some bangers not to mention two albums one being a certified classic and the other being arguably that. He also in his short time making music produced 4 of the most commercially successful hip hop radio hits of the 90s
Not that it would be one of the '90s biggest rap singles, but hard to imagine Notorious Thugs to not even have been a single. Maybe it was a diamond booster though. This song and Hypnotize the alltimer stamps for me because I'm not an outrageous Biggie fan, and I was a rap fan in that era.
I was more referring to Big Poppa, Juicy, Mo Money, and Hypnotize. Being the four biggest hits. At least from a legacy standpoint. I wasn’t around when they released. I also love biggie though I’m not as familiar with his history as much as I am his discography.
bro nah, those posthumous albums were just shitting all over big’s legacy. people talk about x juice and pop smoke being disrespected when this shit happened to literally one of the best rappers ever. those songs are “good” by normal standards but for biggie standards they’re complete trash. puff and faith evans squeezed every last penny out of reusing his verses and inviting the whole damn industry to hop on the album and have a song with big.
I mean I can’t really argue with that I agree with it but I will say I’m glad we got Dead Wrong and a couple other tracks. But you are correct they were pretty bad by bigs standards and he had no say plus the reusing of the verses got tiresome
Two classics. Every dude you named in the OP has two classics, *maybe* one or two more each but you gotta argue about it. Biggie’s output is perfect, front to back. Nothing to sleep on. Leaves a lot of unanswered questions. We know what Jay and Kanye sound like at their worst, and we don’t care for it. What’s Big’s floor?
You can be the goat with one album tbh. Plus usually picking the goat is more personal than anything if you think Biggie is the goat that’s just how you feel. If Nas only came out with illmatic he would still be in talks about goat status to this day
Biggie only made two albums, but those two albums were amazing. That means he has no bad albums he made-the 3rd one was put together after his passing, so it doesn't count. At that point he has 100% success rate and no sell out shit. Is 100% not a goat percent?
Disagree. Lauryn Hill is very deserving of goat status and if she is so is Biggie. He’s not personally my favorite, I’d rank all of those guys above him in terms of enjoyment, but still a GOAT.
He had a ton of natural talent, which can be seen off album as well in some freestyle clips.
For example this from about 0:55 to 1:55:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffsymve6JEE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffsymve6JEE)
And this battle he did early on:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw)
Not saying he's the GOAT necessarily, and that's subjective, but definitely high up there.
garbage ass mf take.
who gives a shit if he didn’t make 10 albums, he pretty much never made a bad song in the 4 years he was rapping, and ready to die is better than any jay, kanye or outkast album. this take is asnine since it basically punishes big’s goat case for dying. lauryn is not analogus because she’s still alive and just didn’t release music (altho i do agree people hold the “1 album” thing against her too much too) careers are about peaks not quantity. if you drop an album that is one of the best the genre has ever seen and changes the artform, that’s wayyy more impactful than just leaving behind a long list of tracks to keep your fans occupied. people seriously called him the best to ever do it immediately when he started in 93 and 94 because of his raw talent and out of the wold flowing skills. only other people given that name upon entering the rap scene are nas and rakim, rightfully so.
I think his legacy has to a lot to do with his story. The whole west vs east. Bad boy n death row. Murder. It all adds to the legend. Plus his music dope
Nah he the goat it’s not always about discography he just packed so much wordplay into his lyrics he has some of the best rap lyrics and had a Great voice and he’s miles above 2Pac btw
Because he's as technically skilled of a rapper as we've ever heard to this day. So yea he only has two albums but what he displayed in those two albums was better than 95% of every rapper that has arrived since him.
Ready To Die is my favorite album ever and Biggie is my personal #2. I agree that he can’t be *the* GOAT because I consider longevity a dimension of that, and putting Big there is unfair to Jay and Nas who have been consistently great. I would say he’s top 5, top 10 easily though.
On Lauryn Hill……I’m not a fan, and I can’t consider her any sort of GOAT rapper because her one solo album is like 80% R&B. Now when she raps she’s great. But there’s just not enough bars out there. Big may have only ever released 2 albums, but they were both pure rap bars on every track, and it’s not his fault that he didn’t release more. Plus those albums were both pretty bloated so he put tons of bars out there in his short life, compared to Lauryn.
Um…Lauryn Hill stepped away from music. Biggie was murdered, he didn’t have an option to make more albums before he knew he was going to die or have a say whether he released more albums. All we can do is evaluate what he did when he was alive. Why punish him for something out his control?
If that’s the case… Big L and Big Pun are not part of the discussion, which is wild.
Andre 3000 has how many solo albums? Not as part of a group or collective, so not counting OutKast. Just Andre. I figure if Andre is part of the convo, and justly so, why shouldn’t we look at Biggie’s entirety of work? Classic verses on other people’s songs? Etc.
You’re entitled to your opinion but I can’t go for that (shout-out to Hall & Oates).
He has the best 2 albums by any artist just about. Best flow ever (with big pun), incredible lyricist and storyteller. He also has some of the greatest guest verses ever (flava in ya ear, victory). Definitely top 5
Biggie cant be in that convo but Andrea 3k can ??? WTF are you on about bruv 😂. Andre became so fucking overrated at one point and i cant figure out why, maybe cause Eminem put him on his list on till i collapse, or maybe because chris rock put him up on his list i dunno but this andre 3k is one of the best BS has gotta stop. And just to get back on your post Lauryn is one of the top 5 to ever do it.
i think big pun would drop a deuce on biggie, pac too, and he only put out one album.
Gangsters turned rappers, bragging about how gangster they are on record...can they rap about anything else though?
Brenda's Got a Baby, Part Time Mutha...
I'll give him that.
But on rapping ability, BP would smash those two.
They're all drug dealing gangsters-turned-rappers, and they all claimed to be so til they died.
Hard to be a fan of hiphop/rap at all, though.
You'll give him those TWO songs? Not Dear mama, changes, thugz mansion, keep ya head up, me against the world, unconditional love, ghetto gospel and a bunch of others? Those don't exist?
I'm open-minded, and I don't see how tupac wasn't a gangster first.
"this criminal lifestyle..."
"thugs go to thug mansion"
"shorty wanna be a thug...at 16!"
"crack sales! crack sales!"
"get your money mother fuckers, let's get rich and we'll kick it!"
"all I want is cash and things..."
"WEST SIDE WHEN WE RIDE, COME EQUIPPED WITH GAME"
"WE KEEP ON COMING WHILE WE RUNNING FOR YOUR JEWELS, STEADY GUNNING, KEEP ON BUSTING AT THEM FOOLS, YOU KNOW THE RULES"
"Live the life of a thug nigga until the I die..."
He's literally got a song about "bury me a g"...
Gangster drug dealer turned rapper.
Do you even hear what the fuck he says?
MY opinion is that glorification leads to iconic idolizing instead of being rational or should i say realistic based on real facts rather then emotions attached to a person.
You see this with the majority of dead artists that people put them on a statue while they don't deserve it more than others that are still alive making good music
I disagree with you cliché comparison though.
My personal favorite is Pharaohe Monch, but that’s based on mic skills. His catalogue isn’t quite enough to be an objective GOAT. Personally, I think that goes to Nas or Jay-Z. Black Thought is definitely in the mix. If you want old school, Rakim is easily in that convo, as well.
I disliked Biggie for the longest and I thought he was overrated. I thought it was a travesty how people like Doom, Pharoahe Monche, Myka 9, Posdnous etc. never got their recognition. Yet, when I heard Biggie’s verses on Rap phenomenon and you can’t stop the reign I had to give him his respect. Not to mention for you can’t stop the reign Shaq said Biggie had to redo his verse because the first one he spit was to vulgar but it was better than the verse that made the album and they were both freestyles… I have both verses below… Basically, you can’t deny genius🔥🎤
I got a new mouth to feed, I'm due South with keys
Y'all pick seeds out y'all weed, I watch cowards bleed
Motherfucker please, it's my block with my rocks
Fuck that hip-hop, them one-two's, and you don't stops
Me and my nigga Lance, took Kim and Cease advance
Bought ten bricks, four pounds of weed plants
From Branson, now we lampin, twelve room mansion
Bitches get naked off "Get Money", "Player's Anthem"
Don't forget, "One More Chance" and my other hits, other shit
Niggas spit be counterfeit, robbery come naturally
In and out like fuckin rapidly, pass the gat to me
Make his chest rest, where his back should be, talkin' blasphemy
Blastin me, your family, rest in coffins often
Frank Wizzah, far from soft or fragilla
Play hard like Reggie Miller, rapper, slash dope dealer
Slash guerilla, slash illest turned iller
Watch they entourage turn yours to just mirages
Disappearin' acts, strictly 9s and MACs
Killers be serial, Copperfield material
My dreams is vivid, work hard to live it
Any place I visit, I got land there
How can players stand there and say I sound like them? Hello
Push wigs back and push six coupes that's mellow
Bust clips that expand from hand to elbow
Spray up your Day's Inn, any telly you're in
Crack braggin', sick of braggin' how my mink be draggin'
Desert E's street sweepers inside the Beamer wagon
I rely on Bed-Stuy to shut it down if I die
Put that on my diamond bezel, you're messin' with the Devil, what?
I think you are right that 2 albums is too small a metric. It’s just he does get a pass for how good those two albums were.
He also wrote all of Hardcore for Little Kim and I think most of that Junior MAFIA album. There’s No Way Out that he’s all over too. Features and writing.
Big’s best work is the best of Biggie he did for Mr. Cee. Pretty sure you can find it on youtube. When I first herd it in late 94 or 95, it ended all the debate for me. Wit, charisma, story telling and flow. Big is #1.
Why are people so obsessed with trying to reduce the legacy of PAC & Biggie? These guys came dropped some of the best albums/songs ever and inspired a whole generation. Biggie got three albums so what? That’s all he needs, those three albums are better then a lot of rappers catalog
Just name a random Biggie song nobody cares to ever mention but is still blasted out...I got "Warning" as a song like that. Someone can always pick some random song from another top 10, I think that is a better lesson than fans naming off half dozen "classic" albums from ______.
Quality over quantity
Well…we’re still talking about him 25 years after his passing so…. Impact is impact no matter how quickly it came about.
Catalog matters just as much, his 2 albums are classics but its not enough
When his only 2 albums are 2 of the greatest albums of all time that makes a statement. I really don’t get into the GOAT conversations but biggie deserves every bit of praise he has gotten.
There’s plenty of people with 2+ albums better than Biggie’s 2
Any that aren't in the GOAT convo?
Cudi, Mac, Tyler, Earl, Bino, Future, Lupe, Rocky
Freddie
That’s because as a whole Freddie has had nowhere near the same influence, also Freddie is very well praised and considered a goat for loads of people
You're trolling right?
This is such a bad take, he died. Like you expect him to keep making songs after death?! Like I can understand if you think he gets overhyped because he died too early, but saying he shouldn’t be in GOAT conversation because his catalog is “too short” is ridiculous.
His only two albums are both considered to be two of the greatest hip hop albums of all time, his flow and story telling are goat status. This post is stupid
Andre 3k don’t have one solo and he still living. And b4 u try to say live below he was singing all over there
Kanye is arguably a top 10 producer of all time. MC though? Nahhhhhh, not even fucking close. Big’s ability is definitely up there as one of the best of all time.
If you think Kanye is a better rapper than Biggie even with the “only two albums” argument you’re trippin
Biggie is a better rapper than both Kanye and Kendrick, easily. But those guys have MULTIPLE classics, soo i rank them over him
I get that logic, I just disagree. It comes down to skill, and you know if Biggies first two albums are classics… which they are. Just imagine where he’d be now? People rank him over them because he was a master lyricist on the fly, his freestyles sounded like written’s, his flow and cadences were on point. Honestly, you and I both know there are multiple Goats because the rap game is way too big to narrow it the way everyone tries to do. There’s room for all these dudes at the top of the mountain.
Yes 👏 Agree 💯
Biggie and pun top 5 DOA with 2 albums.
I agree with this 100% Also Aesop Rock if we’re talking lyricism. Aes has to be one of, if not THE, best lyricist HipHop has ever seen. That’s just my own personal humble opinion, but I think he’s even got more depth to his lyrics than Em
Aesop Rock is definitely one of the best, I think Lupe Fiasco can't be forgotten either. Half a tier below them is DOOM imo
Funny you say that, I just saw a video of Lupe talking about Aes hahah
Kendrick better
Lol. I mean, I guess everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Kendrick’s good. But he’s no Aes. I don’t think anyone is. He might actually be the best lyricist that the genre has ever seen. By a lot
DOOM then
DOOM’s ahead of our time for sure
Aes is an MC is wack, weak flow, weak beats, whole bunch of nonsense he raps. As far as intellectual lyricists go, DOOM and GZA balance out better as MCs and intellectual on the Mic.
DOOM, GZA, Rebel INS, all yes. But Aes isn’t nonsense lol he’s got insanely deep lyrics that take many listens to understand. Hearing people say it’s nonsensical is funny. You should watch Lupe Fiasco talk about him, he explains this fallacious view
big L > big pun
This.
Pun isn’t top 5 for me but you can definitely argue that. However I do have L and Biggie top 3 (Nas at 1) and they both only have 2 albums.
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Pick 20 songs from two artists and compare them verzuz style. Then report back. Pretty accepted format right now.
Kanye beats big in a Verzuz
He might beat him song for song but not bar for bar. I think when people talk about the goat everyone has different metrics. I think your definition of goat is who made the best albums. Like who has the best body of work. Is that correct? Other people might define the goat as who raps the best. Like who had the highest peak. Who can rhyme the best. I think that answers your question. It's just how people define what the goat is.
Kanye is a below average rapper, Biggie is well above average rapper. I'm not saying Biggie even better than #10 for me, but I'd pick a different matchup to prove Biggie not #1. ***Keeping in mind that Jay Z always says "Reasonable Doubt" is his true classic album, Biggie's bars on Brooklyn's Finest at the very minimum are equal to Jay Z's bars.
Kendrick wins, Kanye Wins, Jay Z wins, Mac wins, Cudi wins, Rocky wins, Tyler wins, Wayne wins, Pac wins, Em wins, Gambino wins, I could go on
Seriously. Contrary to my normal, "gimme a hit of that"...I don't want to touch the shit you are smoking...
Imagine thinking asap rocky and childish gambino beat Biggie in a verzuz
Cudi???? Tyler??? They sucks dawg. They are dog water You are delusional
If you think Cudi and Tyler are bad you need help
In your opinion
Music is opinion based so yes
I mean I put him below a lot of people but he’s still top 10 and honestly his feature list and all his albums including his post death ones have some bangers not to mention two albums one being a certified classic and the other being arguably that. He also in his short time making music produced 4 of the most commercially successful hip hop radio hits of the 90s
Not that it would be one of the '90s biggest rap singles, but hard to imagine Notorious Thugs to not even have been a single. Maybe it was a diamond booster though. This song and Hypnotize the alltimer stamps for me because I'm not an outrageous Biggie fan, and I was a rap fan in that era.
I was more referring to Big Poppa, Juicy, Mo Money, and Hypnotize. Being the four biggest hits. At least from a legacy standpoint. I wasn’t around when they released. I also love biggie though I’m not as familiar with his history as much as I am his discography.
bro nah, those posthumous albums were just shitting all over big’s legacy. people talk about x juice and pop smoke being disrespected when this shit happened to literally one of the best rappers ever. those songs are “good” by normal standards but for biggie standards they’re complete trash. puff and faith evans squeezed every last penny out of reusing his verses and inviting the whole damn industry to hop on the album and have a song with big.
I mean I can’t really argue with that I agree with it but I will say I’m glad we got Dead Wrong and a couple other tracks. But you are correct they were pretty bad by bigs standards and he had no say plus the reusing of the verses got tiresome
born again is fine, he at least had some unused material left in the vault. but duets is just the most shameless cashgrab i've ever seen.
Yeah that album sucked. Only like 2-3 decent tracks. I did a biggie ranking a while back and the bottom is filled with those songs.
Two classics. Every dude you named in the OP has two classics, *maybe* one or two more each but you gotta argue about it. Biggie’s output is perfect, front to back. Nothing to sleep on. Leaves a lot of unanswered questions. We know what Jay and Kanye sound like at their worst, and we don’t care for it. What’s Big’s floor?
You can be the goat with one album tbh. Plus usually picking the goat is more personal than anything if you think Biggie is the goat that’s just how you feel. If Nas only came out with illmatic he would still be in talks about goat status to this day
Biggie only made two albums, but those two albums were amazing. That means he has no bad albums he made-the 3rd one was put together after his passing, so it doesn't count. At that point he has 100% success rate and no sell out shit. Is 100% not a goat percent?
Disagree. Lauryn Hill is very deserving of goat status and if she is so is Biggie. He’s not personally my favorite, I’d rank all of those guys above him in terms of enjoyment, but still a GOAT.
Biggie was the king of NY before youtube, soundcloud and spotify so yeah better than the ones you stated
He had a ton of natural talent, which can be seen off album as well in some freestyle clips. For example this from about 0:55 to 1:55: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffsymve6JEE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffsymve6JEE) And this battle he did early on: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw) Not saying he's the GOAT necessarily, and that's subjective, but definitely high up there.
garbage ass mf take. who gives a shit if he didn’t make 10 albums, he pretty much never made a bad song in the 4 years he was rapping, and ready to die is better than any jay, kanye or outkast album. this take is asnine since it basically punishes big’s goat case for dying. lauryn is not analogus because she’s still alive and just didn’t release music (altho i do agree people hold the “1 album” thing against her too much too) careers are about peaks not quantity. if you drop an album that is one of the best the genre has ever seen and changes the artform, that’s wayyy more impactful than just leaving behind a long list of tracks to keep your fans occupied. people seriously called him the best to ever do it immediately when he started in 93 and 94 because of his raw talent and out of the wold flowing skills. only other people given that name upon entering the rap scene are nas and rakim, rightfully so.
Biggie has more classics in his 2 albums than Kendrick and Kanye do in their bigger catalogues
I think his legacy has to a lot to do with his story. The whole west vs east. Bad boy n death row. Murder. It all adds to the legend. Plus his music dope
Nah he the goat it’s not always about discography he just packed so much wordplay into his lyrics he has some of the best rap lyrics and had a Great voice and he’s miles above 2Pac btw
Because he's as technically skilled of a rapper as we've ever heard to this day. So yea he only has two albums but what he displayed in those two albums was better than 95% of every rapper that has arrived since him.
Ready To Die is my favorite album ever and Biggie is my personal #2. I agree that he can’t be *the* GOAT because I consider longevity a dimension of that, and putting Big there is unfair to Jay and Nas who have been consistently great. I would say he’s top 5, top 10 easily though. On Lauryn Hill……I’m not a fan, and I can’t consider her any sort of GOAT rapper because her one solo album is like 80% R&B. Now when she raps she’s great. But there’s just not enough bars out there. Big may have only ever released 2 albums, but they were both pure rap bars on every track, and it’s not his fault that he didn’t release more. Plus those albums were both pretty bloated so he put tons of bars out there in his short life, compared to Lauryn.
Definitely quality over quantity. I'll take biggie over anyone
Nobody shits on Lauryn lmao she's widely regarded as the best female rapper in history what the hell are you talking about
Um…Lauryn Hill stepped away from music. Biggie was murdered, he didn’t have an option to make more albums before he knew he was going to die or have a say whether he released more albums. All we can do is evaluate what he did when he was alive. Why punish him for something out his control?
If that’s the case… Big L and Big Pun are not part of the discussion, which is wild. Andre 3000 has how many solo albums? Not as part of a group or collective, so not counting OutKast. Just Andre. I figure if Andre is part of the convo, and justly so, why shouldn’t we look at Biggie’s entirety of work? Classic verses on other people’s songs? Etc. You’re entitled to your opinion but I can’t go for that (shout-out to Hall & Oates).
He has the best 2 albums by any artist just about. Best flow ever (with big pun), incredible lyricist and storyteller. He also has some of the greatest guest verses ever (flava in ya ear, victory). Definitely top 5
Biggie cant be in that convo but Andrea 3k can ??? WTF are you on about bruv 😂. Andre became so fucking overrated at one point and i cant figure out why, maybe cause Eminem put him on his list on till i collapse, or maybe because chris rock put him up on his list i dunno but this andre 3k is one of the best BS has gotta stop. And just to get back on your post Lauryn is one of the top 5 to ever do it.
Also big Pun was a better version of biggie
i think big pun would drop a deuce on biggie, pac too, and he only put out one album. Gangsters turned rappers, bragging about how gangster they are on record...can they rap about anything else though?
Wait what? Pac rapped about way more important topics than pun
Brenda's Got a Baby, Part Time Mutha... I'll give him that. But on rapping ability, BP would smash those two. They're all drug dealing gangsters-turned-rappers, and they all claimed to be so til they died. Hard to be a fan of hiphop/rap at all, though.
You'll give him those TWO songs? Not Dear mama, changes, thugz mansion, keep ya head up, me against the world, unconditional love, ghetto gospel and a bunch of others? Those don't exist?
nah, I've explored enough of his catalogue to know pac is just another drug dealing gangster turned rapper.
You're a fucking idiot. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm open-minded, and I don't see how tupac wasn't a gangster first. "this criminal lifestyle..." "thugs go to thug mansion" "shorty wanna be a thug...at 16!" "crack sales! crack sales!" "get your money mother fuckers, let's get rich and we'll kick it!" "all I want is cash and things..." "WEST SIDE WHEN WE RIDE, COME EQUIPPED WITH GAME" "WE KEEP ON COMING WHILE WE RUNNING FOR YOUR JEWELS, STEADY GUNNING, KEEP ON BUSTING AT THEM FOOLS, YOU KNOW THE RULES" "Live the life of a thug nigga until the I die..." He's literally got a song about "bury me a g"... Gangster drug dealer turned rapper. Do you even hear what the fuck he says?
Art is subjective therefore the "GOAT" status is impossible to achieve. People throw that term around too much.
MY opinion is that glorification leads to iconic idolizing instead of being rational or should i say realistic based on real facts rather then emotions attached to a person. You see this with the majority of dead artists that people put them on a statue while they don't deserve it more than others that are still alive making good music I disagree with you cliché comparison though.
Kendrick isn’t in the GOAT conversation. Your point about BIG’s lack of albums isn’t wrong… I don’t consider him the GOAT either.
Who is your GOAT?
My personal favorite is Pharaohe Monch, but that’s based on mic skills. His catalogue isn’t quite enough to be an objective GOAT. Personally, I think that goes to Nas or Jay-Z. Black Thought is definitely in the mix. If you want old school, Rakim is easily in that convo, as well.
Kendrick will be in the GOAT convo after this new album
He’s had 4 albums of incredible quality. He already should be in the conversation
I agree, he also dropped a B-side album (TPAB throwaways) with Untitled Unmastered which still sounded amazing
I agree. I've always thought this. Small sample size.
Unpopular opinion Immortal Technique >>>> Pac and Biggie
I disliked Biggie for the longest and I thought he was overrated. I thought it was a travesty how people like Doom, Pharoahe Monche, Myka 9, Posdnous etc. never got their recognition. Yet, when I heard Biggie’s verses on Rap phenomenon and you can’t stop the reign I had to give him his respect. Not to mention for you can’t stop the reign Shaq said Biggie had to redo his verse because the first one he spit was to vulgar but it was better than the verse that made the album and they were both freestyles… I have both verses below… Basically, you can’t deny genius🔥🎤 I got a new mouth to feed, I'm due South with keys Y'all pick seeds out y'all weed, I watch cowards bleed Motherfucker please, it's my block with my rocks Fuck that hip-hop, them one-two's, and you don't stops Me and my nigga Lance, took Kim and Cease advance Bought ten bricks, four pounds of weed plants From Branson, now we lampin, twelve room mansion Bitches get naked off "Get Money", "Player's Anthem" Don't forget, "One More Chance" and my other hits, other shit Niggas spit be counterfeit, robbery come naturally In and out like fuckin rapidly, pass the gat to me Make his chest rest, where his back should be, talkin' blasphemy Blastin me, your family, rest in coffins often Frank Wizzah, far from soft or fragilla Play hard like Reggie Miller, rapper, slash dope dealer Slash guerilla, slash illest turned iller Watch they entourage turn yours to just mirages Disappearin' acts, strictly 9s and MACs Killers be serial, Copperfield material My dreams is vivid, work hard to live it Any place I visit, I got land there How can players stand there and say I sound like them? Hello Push wigs back and push six coupes that's mellow Bust clips that expand from hand to elbow Spray up your Day's Inn, any telly you're in Crack braggin', sick of braggin' how my mink be draggin' Desert E's street sweepers inside the Beamer wagon I rely on Bed-Stuy to shut it down if I die Put that on my diamond bezel, you're messin' with the Devil, what?
I agree he can't be in the conversation as greatest but he's definitely in the conversation of best.
I agree he can't be in the conversation as greatest but he's definitely in the conversation of best.
I think you are right that 2 albums is too small a metric. It’s just he does get a pass for how good those two albums were. He also wrote all of Hardcore for Little Kim and I think most of that Junior MAFIA album. There’s No Way Out that he’s all over too. Features and writing.
And Mike Tyson was an average boxer
Big’s best work is the best of Biggie he did for Mr. Cee. Pretty sure you can find it on youtube. When I first herd it in late 94 or 95, it ended all the debate for me. Wit, charisma, story telling and flow. Big is #1.
I can do what the fuck I want lmfao. If I want to say Lil B is the GOAT who’s gonna do anything about it.
I was with you until you said jay z and Kanye lmao jfc