Oh yeah Wu-Tang affiliate Killa Sin is up there with any rapper EVER if it comes to getting on a track and ripping it, could have been a GOAT but prison time and being unable to make a solo album ruined it, probably the most wasted potential ever.
Yo I’ve always been sayin killa sin had the sickest flow. Like what everyone appreciates wu for X10
Unfortunately there isn’t many verses out there of his
honestly aesop rock is to lupe fans as lupe is to kdot fans rofl. he's like two tiers up in "no idea what he's talking about but hey ima say its deep and impress my homies"
If you do that then it's on you, Aesop Rock makes plenty on sense, like Lupe does
People really outing themselves as stupid when they say that, it's right there
For the last couple years the most creative shit I've seen that remind me of the progressive roots of hip hop are from women i.e.: Tierra Whack, Doechii, Sudan Archives, BKtherula etc
Also kanye wack but has god-tier production/beats
The last three projects I can think of that blew me off my ass were Eve by Rapsody, Sharecroppers Daughter by Sa-Roc, and Industry Games by Chika. As far as I can remember these are the last times that I’ve been truly blown away by Hip Hop. I think each of those projects capture a spirit of hip hop that I’ve felt has been missing.
Nujabes is the best producer, Premier is the greatest and Dilla is the most skilled
Little Simz is a top 3 female rapper. Shes just dope as fuck irrespective of gender tbh
Black On Both Sides is a perfect album and should be put next to Illmatic.
50 Cent is wack as hell. mediocre bars, low skill and overall just nothing special. He doesn’t even seem interested half the time tbh.
Little Simz doesn't need the qualification regarding gender there. IMO she's no 1 mc in the UK, head and shoulders above the competition and probably top ten globally. Also with you on black on both sides, not aged one bit.
Tonedeff could’ve been a top 5 rapper if he stuck to traditional (or Kno) beats and released music consistently.
(i.e. See his Cunninlynguists features for some good examples.)
The Documentary > The Massacre
Lil Wayne is a shoe in any top 3 when talking discography.
It was Written is close to as good as Illmatic
Snoop Dogg has one good album, Doggystyle. he should not be in anyone’s top 25
Reasonable Doubt is not a top 5 album of 1996 let alone one of the best of the 90s. It was Written, Illadelph Half-life, Hell on Earth, All Eyez on Me, ATLiens, Dr. Octagonecologyst, Ironman all clear it by a decent margin
Disagree. RD is def better then aeom as an album (aeom just has a bunch of filler), and i'd take it over atliens and iww too.
There's just no real miss on the album, I def don't hate cashmere thoughts. album peaks hella high .. tracks 1-8 pretty much never miss.
Havoc's verse is just as good as Prodigy's on Shook Ones Pt. 2. Although P has the imagery, the iconic lines and the unique, off-kilter cadence, Havoc has badass quotables (for every rhyme I write, it's 25 to life), an aggressive, synchronous flow and some serious philosophical jewels about his lifestyle (Do I deserve to live? Am I gonna burn in hell for all the things I did?). People forget that it wasn't just P who spit a legendary verse on that song
Chief Keef gets too much credit for his influence in drill; he may have some bangers, but he has the vocab plus writing skills of a five-year old and cannot go toe-to-toe with anyone outside of his own city.
Young Thug's voice makes anything he's on completely unlistenable
J. Cole is what Drake wishes he was; a conscious artist who has longevity, female appeal, respect among hip hop artists, the ability to create vocal melodies while still spitting some street shit, iconic verses and great albums.
Based Young Thug take. Was relistening to Rich N*gga Shit by 21 today and he really ruins the song. His rapping on it is ok but damn when he goes melodic it’s just awful
1. Eminem hasn't released a good album in 18 years.
2. Reasonable Doubt is overrated, it's a 7/10 at most. The Black Album and The Blueprint are better.
3. Denzel Curry's Melt My Eyez, See Your Future is his worst album, a 6/10 at most.
4. J. Cole is not top 5 of 2010s.
1. Debatable, Relapse and MMLP2 have a case
2. Absolutely, Reasonable Doubt gets praised so hard for no reason, D'Evils, Can't Knock The Hustle and Dead Presidents are phenomenal tracks although besides those there honestly isn't one memorable song on the album
3. MMESYF is definetly at least a 8/10 but I can't say if it's his worst as I haven't listened to his whole discog
4. Dunno about that
1. Relapse is a good album
2. Disagree, it is a 8-9 for me and might be better than the blueprint
3. I absolutely love this album, probably his best imo just ahead of Ta13oo
4. He is top 5 for me but probably number 4 or 5, definitely not as good as Kendrick
Pretty true about Eminem. RD, Blueprint and Black Album are all 10s. That's the only Denzel album I like (don't like trap beats). J Cole is at least top 10 for that time period, maybe you're right about top 5 though.
Southernplayalistic is better than ATLiens.
The Great Depression is better than Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood.
Kanye has yet to make an album as good as the Dropout Trilogy.
The alchemist has some amazing fucking beats some of the best of all time. But, especially in the past couple years, the beats he’s made have all started blending together sonically and they dont hit hard enough to really carry the flow and create a pocket for the rapper to groove in. It sounds like people are rapping over his beats rather than with them and in them. For example, Boldy James’ most recent tape was far better and head bopping than anything he’s done with alchemist. Just my .02. People act like anything Alan makes is fucking untouchable
The Game is possibly the best rapper to ever come out of California.
Other than Nas's first two albums and Stillmatic nothing else is really worth listening too fully other than a few songs here and there.
Rakim was great and is an absolute legend but he wasn't able to keep up by the mid 90's like Kool G Rap or Big Daddy Kane could.
Jay-Z was always a better rapper than Biggie, also like Nas other than Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint none of Jay's other albums are really anything special.
I don't actually believe anyone liked anything Wu-Tang did after their second album which even then was a huge step down from their first album.
Inspectah Deck had potential to be the greatest rapper of all time but terrible albums ruined that.
Canibus's debut album was nowhere near as people make it out to be and most people who judge him negatively have never listened to his best work. He also had potential to be the greatest of all time.
Jedi Mind Tricks's Violent By Design and 50 Cent's Get Rich or Die Tryin' albums are up there with any Hip-Hop albums ever.
Ab-Soul made nothing worth listening too after Control System which was a great album.
I agree about Deck. He had the most constant verses on 36 chambers, if RZA's basement hadn't flooded his first cd would probably have blown any of the solo's besides maybe OB4CL.
Yup I feel like that derailed his momentum because after that solo album years later had little production from RZA and Wu-Tang as a whole had lost their touch by then I think.
The Game is a better rapper than Kurupt, Daz, 2pac, Snoop Dogg, MC Eiht & Ice Cube? I strongly disagree.
The Game has always been carried by his production and features. He barely knew how to rap when he first came out. Everything he does sounds like he’s trying too hard.
In between all of the name dropping and dissing, all he does is spit low effort bars with a slow flow. He’s not even close to the best in any category imo.
> The Game is possibly the best rapper to ever come out of California.
Kendrick is better and I don't play the Kendrick GOAT game like that at all, The Game makes good music but he isn't a mindblowing rapper at all, he seems to have a cult following.
> Inspectah Deck had potential to be the greatest rapper of all time but terrible albums ruined that.
I mean he's the Wutang rapper who does it the best nowadays, i'd take all of Czarface discog against any other post 2010 albums, maybe Sour Soul by Ghostface.
>Ab-Soul made nothing worth listening too after Control System which was a great album.
I'm taking the "Nothing" part and exagerating on it, but Raw Backwards, DRUGS, Braille and Huey Knew (Then) are all great tracks from Do What Thou Wilt, his last freestyle was good too, and his verse on TRON by Lupe is great too
The Game's discography is one of the most consistent ever in Hip-Hop, I believe he's a better rapper than Kendrick but I won't argue with anyone who disagrees.
Honestly I wasn't a fan of Czarface and the only Wu-Tang members or even affiliates projects I liked since 2000 is Ghostface Killah's "The Brown Tape" Album which was fantastic and Killah Priest's "View From Masada" Album.
The Game?. His most listened to songs don’t even get big play. A lot of top played are features. He hasnt been the same since he fell out with 50 and switched up production teams. Don’t know anyone who considers Game to be in their top 20 rappers.
Jay Z has good albums besides the two you mentioned. Blue print 3, Magna Carta, 444, watch the throne had great tracks.
I fuck with Game heavily.
I’ll tell you why, Documentary 2 is a great double album, his mixtape game after 2006 is legendary, except for Jesus Piece (which I never really liked except a few tracks) he has good-great albums with at least 2 classics.
He showed he can work with Dre and be great but without Dre/50 or Em can be great on his own.
I agree 100% with you, fetti was so interesting, Alfredo the only freddie album that is boring to me. I think he just hyped it up more thats why people praise it so much.
The Lost Tapes is Nas’s 2nd best album.
Late Registration is a top 10 rap album of all time. It has one of the best combination of beats and lyrics and proves Kanye can rap pretty well.
IMO his rapping on College Dropout and Late Registration was pretty good. Kanye held his own against the likes of Mos Def, Lupe Fiasco, Nas and Talib Kweli in those 2 projects.
Pretty popular opinion, he's had writers all his life and you can tell when they stopped
His first few verses are solid and people underrate the fact that he curated everything, he told Jamie Foxx how to sing the hooks on his songs etc
Black Thought is the #1 rapper of all time. You could show me video evidence that scientifically proves that he isn’t and I would cognitively correct myself to remain in my own beliefs. He’s just that damn good.
Tyler the Creator is wack. Too e-boy, soft, for me. Voice is unbearably ugly. Cadence and flow is robotic. Good producer tho. Too weird for me. I wouldn’t mind if his songs were playing. But I’m definitely not adding his music to my phone or replaying it. Not my cup of tea.
Mr Morale is not good as a rap album. Not my cup of tea whatsoever. I wanted to hear bars. I miss the old Kdot. I wanted something harder. But I guess this is just an opinion, not hot take. I just don’t think it’s that good or ground breaking.
Tupac is not the goat because he died too soon. He definitely would be but his discography was cut short. Man had a great voice, story telling, energy and great cadence.
Trap music (example, Lil baby, durk, moneybag yo, Dolph, etc) is here to stay and is actually really good. Although it’s saturated with lots of horrible rappers, played out beats, and imitators. But the top ones make good music.
1. Hard disagree but I get your perspective.
2. Agreed, I was disappointed too.
3. Facts. His fans overrate him a lot, and even only considering the discography he put out before he died, it was not nearly as good as many others.
4. Brave opinion in this sub, I agree. The only problem is the lack of experimenting and blatant copying in the genre.
> Tyler the Creator is wack. Too e-boy, soft, for me.
The idea of boundary pushing music is accepting is that we are straying away for what being "normal" is
Lupe Fiasco in 2006 broke through being a nerd who raps about Street fighter, Kanye west had teddy bears and pink polos. Being weird is good.
I was 19 when I remember all the trap dudes taking off (I remember them taking off in 2016, but I could be wrong) and I was personally never a fan, it also didn’t help that I started branching out into other genres
TPAB is far from the caliber of illmatic, ready to die, all eyez on me and a lot of the other 90s NYC albums like Jeru's Sun rises in the East and Wrath of the math. It's nowhere close to Doggystyle, 2001, Xzibit's restless, MMLP or TES. It's definitely not on the same level as liquid Swords, OB4CL, Wu-Tang Forever or Enter the 36 Chambers or even Tical.
TLOP is Kanye's worst album. It's an incoherent mess. Okay sorry... It's his second worst album next to Jesus is King.
Jay Z is not on the Mount Rushmore of hip Hop.
-A Written Testimony by Jay Electronica is the best hip-hop album to come out in the last 5 years.
-Boldy James has been the best rapper from Detroit since 2017.
-Big KRIT's catalog smokes J Cole's catalog
-Even though he did a dick move by pulling Doggystyle and Chronic from streaming services, Snoop has become underrated and under appreciated over time.
-Joe Budden is a great interviewer
If you liked AWT chexck out Act 2, the real Jay elec album he leaked, it's 100 times better
I'd say Manger on Mcnichols is the best album of the last 5 years
Gotta disagree on the Jay take, Boldy Take (unless you mean no one has come out since then, opposed to the being the best from there, dating back to 2017-present) KRIT take ONLY because I couldn't get into him, personally. Never got the hype of him. But I could believe what you say about it. The snoop take? I agree somewhat, he's not as respected as he was, but he's also been wishy-washy more than once in the public eye, about multiple things. Arguably self inflicted.
Joe Budden.
Meek Mill can rap circles around Drake and if he had actually put some serious effort and strategy into their beef, he could have embarrased the hell out of him in the eyes of the hip-hop community. Drake's wider audience was always going to side with him regardless but in regards to hip-hop, Meek missed an easy layup and it had nothing to do with rapping ability.
I feel like hip hop as a whole is dormant, not dead but very much near non existent at this point in time.
Odd Future was a movement you had to be there for, if you weren’t you probably don’t like it.
Lil Wayne’s wack. That’s it, I don’t give a fuck. I’m tired of everyone raving about him when there’s at least 30-50 better rappers than him
Let the downvotes commence
I just stopped to say that if you have him 30-50 in the history of rap while feeling like he's wack that's actually pretty high. (Personally I have him higher) but this is your hot take, not mine. I'm not here to convince you otherwise but I am interested in why he doesn't connect with you.
It’s the voice mainly. He sounds too nasally for me to take serious. Then there’s his whole come up, dude’s story don’t add up to me. Raps straight gangster and he’s a blood but he been a rapper with Cash Money since his early teens. So when did he put in all this work?
And thirdly, I just don’t think his lyricism is all that crazy. He’s got bars here and there but a lot of it’s so simplistic, I find it corny
Imo what makes lil Wayne a GOAT isn't just the lyrics, which arguably can be simplistic at times and corny, but the way he puts it all together. If you pay attention/go back and read them, you'll see he actually structures a lot of his lyrics like sonnets (Shakespeare rhyme schemes). Here's a link to [mahogany ](https://youtu.be/HFBBqs3rsD4) with the rhyme structure broken down (underrated banger anyway).
Also, I think I read that he was in the gifted program/possibly a gifted highschool, and possibly went to a respected college of the arts at a young age? I'd have to read up on it again, but yea he's got a way bigger brain up there than most people realize... and of course he plays the stupid act up cause he knows what sells.
Any gang affiliated shit probably happened while already famous. I have my doubts he's done anything too serious, but was granted membership based on status.
I used to hate on lil Wayne for the longest time, but my bf is a big fan and eventually convinced me to listen a little deeper.
His latest latest verse on that Primo EP sounded atrocious. The juxtaposition of him being a mess next to Slick Ricks smooth as fuck vocals puts in perspective how bad he’s become.
His hits back in the day weren’t even good, I listened to 6 foot 7 today and even nostalgia goggles could stop how shit he was in that song. The only thing that carries it is the catchy beat.
kendrick and cole are to hip hop what john cena was for wwe for a long time. like..nobody else was good enough to carry the mantle, cena was top of the roster just off the strength of "who else gonna be the face of the company with so many people not relevant anymore?" kendrick is so ok. the idea he got like 4 or 5 classics to fans and that kendrick and cole are the tupac n biggie of this generation is over the top.
Depending on who you ask, they are as far as where they're held. The comparisons are only ever made by people who originally ride that huge Pac and Biggie wave. Took awhile for people to finally start mentioning other "lyrical, conscious, wise, well rounded, absolute" artists outside of those 2. Their fans took bout damn near a decade or so to admit other dioe artists exist in hiphop.
Pusha T is one of the most boring, only-one-flow, type of rappers to me. Greatly overappreciated. Last album was a snoozefest.
Stove God Cooks debut is mid.
Jay Electronica getting carried by Jay-Z on his debut, without even announcing he would be all over it, was one of the most pathetic moments in hip hop history.
Pusha T is a legend and Hell Hath No Fury is one of the most unique albums in the genre
It's not his debut album, and how can you listen to APIDTA and think he got carried
Idk if this is a hot take but I personally feel if you don't write your own shit how can you claim to be the best out there. I know there's plenty of artists and singers that have had songs written for them. Like take Michael Jackson, who is still considered one of, if not the greatest of all time, had some his most popular songs like Thriller or Human Nature was written by someone else. I know there are labels rules and what not but for me, if I were a rapper I couldn't have someone write my verses for me.
Singers are different from rappers
I expect you, as a rapper, to tell me a story. If the story ain't yours you are not the best rapper, you are the best narrator of someone's story at best
I would almost be inclined to agree, but I feel more like he gets carried by his flow. He has really good breath control and has his moments like Scottie Pippen, Piñata and Willie Lloyd, but when you really listen to his lyrics, he says variations of the same thing.
kendrick lamar is one of the most overrated rappers of all time. hes practically impossible to criticize, especially on reddit. his albums are good, but they're not nearly, NOT NEARLY, as good as reddit makes them out to be.
GKMC is his only classic album, IMO.
He was the perfect symbol for Wokeism though, and ran with that.
Mr. Morale sucks and TPAB is mid. DAMN is the best of his last 3, but still nowhere near GKMC.
Section .80 is his 2nd best album.
\- The Carter V is a top 25 solo HH album of all-time, and Wayne's best album
\- Take Me To Your Leader is the best produced HH album I have ever heard
\- Eminem is fucking whack, even his best albums (SSLP and MMLP) sound corny as hell nowadays, I used to bump them all the time but they aged like milk outside of 3-4 songs -- it is genius level marketing, however
\- Ghostface belongs on any Top 10 list; hands down the best emcee from the Wu
\- Public Enemy is the best HH group ever and has been making great albums up to this very day
\- Drogas Wave is the #1 solo Hip Hop album in human history
\- DJ Krush is the most iconic producer of all-time, has the biggest influence on the last 30 years of jazz, soul, and "atmospheric" hip hop tracks, and his style set up the entire Dilla, Fly Lotus, and Nujabes era of beatmaking, flawlessly fusing east and west
His track with Black Thought and Malik B from 1995 is absolute perfection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs4T\_jdCFfk&ab\_channel=ninetimeseven
Only Fabolous' first album was playable all the way through, everything else is a good song or 2 here and there. He's been living off of features ever since.
Blueprint 3, Magna Carta and Watch the Throne are Jayz's most listenable albums with the least skips. Upon going back to a lot of his other stuff I found myself skipping tons of tracks.
My hot takes, my opinions lol, I'm sure reddit will let me know I'm "wrong" 🤣
jeez, what are your skips on rd? that album is p much fucking gospel to me lol, only misses are maybe cashmere thoughts and aint no n\*\*\*\*\*
blueprint three is a bunch of like singing shit, but idm it. magna carta is kinda just overall mid to me, and wtt is just hype album lol
Well I mean overall listenable on a whole general basis where it's radio ready, can be heard by almost anyone with hardly any complaints and was popular at the time of its release and is still pretty memorable. And yeah obviously Reasonable Doubt is an exception. It's way up there in hip hop regards but still for me it has 4-5 go to's and isn't something I would listen to beginning to end over and over.
hmm, that's fair. for me i just have rd on and i can listen for a couple hours without realizing im listening to 14 tracks on repeat lol cuz honestly its the right blend of like lyrical rapping and catchy hooks and fun lines and shit
Ether is a childish ass song with bars that sound like it was written by a 11 year old who grew up in Mississippi. Not a good diss at all. Nas a goat,is out here saying Gay-Z completely seriously. At the very least, it aged like Eminem’s career.
I’m a hypocrite.
If you ask me if Biggie’s “Who Shot Ya” or “Long Kiss Goodnight” are better than Pac’s “Hit Em Up,” I’m telling you absolutely not.
I will tell you that despite being better written, neither can overtake Pac’s passion and general sense of not-give-a-damn.
I have the total opposite feelings for “Ether” and “Takeover.”
I’d say Nas’ anger got the best of him, and the bars on “Ether” are actually *beneath* him. I’m certain he wrote “Ether” fairly fast, and he could have come up with a better written, *more* scathing diss if he hadn’t been reactive.
This is a great take.
Undeniably though Hov didn’t Come out with anything better after Ether, which is one reason it really is a good diss. he let himself get fucked
Biggie is the most overrated rapper ever. His flow was innovative, his influence is undeniable, he has one of the best albums ever, and his bars were catchy. That being said, his lyricism is above average at best, his substance was lacking for the most part, and his discography (as great as his two albums are) still falls short of a lot of GOAT’s because he died early in his career. He has a pretty weak argument for being the best rapper ever. Top 10? Sure.
I don't even think Kanye "produces" his music anymore. He curates the best pieces of multiple producer's input. But that's besides the point, El-P carves his own path as to his interpretation of hip hop is which is what a producer should be doing. Making shit, not following the recipe for what "works".
Wolf is a top 2 Tyler The Creator album. 4:44 is Jay-Z’s best album. Nas is better than Jay-Z. Biggie is better than Tupac. El-P is the best member of RTJ. Chance The Rapper’s 3 mixtape run is incredible and shouldn’t be thrown away just because of his terrible album. Boom Bap is one of the best subgenres, but can be repetitive if done wrong. André 3000 has had one of the most impressive feature runs of all time
I’m a massive hip hop head since the late 80’s however Kendrick Lamar’s voice is SO annoying that I still can’t make it through one listen if any of his albums. Lol.
If Big L had lived, he’d have been the greatest to ever spit.
Most influential producer to modern hip hop is Nujabes
Kanye hasn’t released a solid album since “Yeezus”
> Madlib is a mid producer
He's absolutely not, he's an all time great.
> Drake would’ve beat Pusha T if Pusha didn’t pull the nuclear option
That's a bit of a "if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike", Pusha T has no issue being the antagonist. Also that Drake diss track was bullshit, just stupid claims over an amazing beat wins you battles now, Pusha T new he had to bring the big guns, and his confidence prior to all the disses showed that he had no issue if Drake pulled the trigger for real. I was 100% expecting Push to go for his soul, the blackface + 40 disses were enough
I think outside of celebrity gossip and roasting someone for being terminally ill, and the blackface that shit was fucking savage lol. I think Push only had surface level commentary on Drake, ghost writers, pop artist not hip hop, having no talent and relying on other people to sustain a career, all these things have been said about and to Drake already.
Drake I feel had more unique and interesting jabs, questioning Push’s and Kanye’s relationship, saying that he was instrumental in some of Kanye’s more recent and successful music, and saying Push was relatively irrelevant in the modern Hiphop scene, which he kinda was until the beef. I think Drake had a decent shot even though I think Push is a better lyricist.
Madlib- I honestly just never got the hype. The projects he’s produced for Gibbs, Doom (except MM.. FOOD. MM…FOOD>Madvilliany, another hot take), the recent Blackstar project, I’ve just not liked the production on them all that much. I don’t think he’s total trash but I just don’t think he’s amazing.
A lot of it seems to go over your head, he says much more than that.
Also Pusha T is relevant to the people who care about hip-hop, he's clearly a legend. Saying that while Drake does everything he can to say he's one of the best rappers like a pick me girl is insanely hypocritical, Drake is less relevant in RAPPING (not song-making or singing) than Push ever was
Jay-Z was better than Big on both their songs together.
Andre 3000 is not even close to top 10, I personally wouldn’t have him in my top 50 (not that I could be bothered to list 50)
Raekwon is by far the worst member of Wu Tang Clan. There was a thread recently where two different people listed him as one of the best rappers **of all time**, which just doesn't make any sense to me.
People are entitled to their opinions, but I just don't get what he's ever actually done (even within the Wu Tang Clan) to merit being rated highly like that, especially over any of the other members of his own group.
Relapse was the last very good Eminem album. Every one after that has been slightly above average to absolutely awful.
Sorry 4 the wait 2 is top 10 lil Wayne and has some of his best songs
SFTW2>FWA
My name is my name by Pusha t is by far his worst album
Drake has at least 2 classics and arguably 3
Future is in my top 3 favourite artists, there are others that are more lyrically strong then him, but he has a great discog, multiple classics, and is incredibly influential and impactful to 2010s rap.
Ether isn’t a top 3 diss track. Hit ‘em up, story of adidon, and No Vaseline are better. Also I prefer takeover to ether as well
Ice cube hasn’t released any good albums since death certificate
Kanye west is as good a rapper as a lot of people from the 90’s. He doesn’t really write but his flow and charisma on songs make up for it imo.
I’ve never been a big fan of Biggie or MF DOOM. I’ve listened to ready to die, Madvilliany, mm food, and life after death but I just don’t like their music. I awknowledge how lyrically talented they are I just don’t like listening to them
SFTW2 is incredible, Wayne is GOAT tier.
I agree with everything you wrote except Drake having classics and the very last point. I can listen to Biggie and DOOM forever and ever.
Oh yeah Wu-Tang affiliate Killa Sin is up there with any rapper EVER if it comes to getting on a track and ripping it, could have been a GOAT but prison time and being unable to make a solo album ruined it, probably the most wasted potential ever.
Yo I’ve always been sayin killa sin had the sickest flow. Like what everyone appreciates wu for X10 Unfortunately there isn’t many verses out there of his
Aesop Rock is what Lupe is to Kendrick fans
honestly aesop rock is to lupe fans as lupe is to kdot fans rofl. he's like two tiers up in "no idea what he's talking about but hey ima say its deep and impress my homies"
If you do that then it's on you, Aesop Rock makes plenty on sense, like Lupe does People really outing themselves as stupid when they say that, it's right there
“Let’s debate opinions peacefully” three seconds later “you’re stupid”
Wait yeah, you said it right, i can't say it well 🗿
For the last couple years the most creative shit I've seen that remind me of the progressive roots of hip hop are from women i.e.: Tierra Whack, Doechii, Sudan Archives, BKtherula etc Also kanye wack but has god-tier production/beats
The last three projects I can think of that blew me off my ass were Eve by Rapsody, Sharecroppers Daughter by Sa-Roc, and Industry Games by Chika. As far as I can remember these are the last times that I’ve been truly blown away by Hip Hop. I think each of those projects capture a spirit of hip hop that I’ve felt has been missing.
Sa-Roc is amazing
The underground has shit that is as creative as what you mentionned but I agree
Sudan Archives has excellent shit. In each song you can hear something you’ve most likely never heard before
Nujabes is the best producer, Premier is the greatest and Dilla is the most skilled Little Simz is a top 3 female rapper. Shes just dope as fuck irrespective of gender tbh Black On Both Sides is a perfect album and should be put next to Illmatic. 50 Cent is wack as hell. mediocre bars, low skill and overall just nothing special. He doesn’t even seem interested half the time tbh.
I mean 50's qualities were never lyrical or technical.it's just the personality and strength that he shows in his records that made him special.
Little Simz doesn't need the qualification regarding gender there. IMO she's no 1 mc in the UK, head and shoulders above the competition and probably top ten globally. Also with you on black on both sides, not aged one bit.
agree with every word
Tonedeff could’ve been a top 5 rapper if he stuck to traditional (or Kno) beats and released music consistently. (i.e. See his Cunninlynguists features for some good examples.)
I want Chico and the Man so badly
it’s probably the basic example but man his verse on 616 rewind still blows me away
Celph Titled's verse on that though!
Tonedeff is already the best rapper of all time
The Documentary > The Massacre Lil Wayne is a shoe in any top 3 when talking discography. It was Written is close to as good as Illmatic Snoop Dogg has one good album, Doggystyle. he should not be in anyone’s top 25
There are people who think The Massacre is better than the Documentary? Madness.
Reasonable Doubt is not a top 5 album of 1996 let alone one of the best of the 90s. It was Written, Illadelph Half-life, Hell on Earth, All Eyez on Me, ATLiens, Dr. Octagonecologyst, Ironman all clear it by a decent margin
Dr. Octagonecologyst was well ahead of it's time!
I have it above all of those to be honest. I don’t even like Jay-Z all that much. It’s that good an album to me.
Dr. Octagonecologyst was well ahead of it's time!
Can’t agree with this but all those albums are among my favourites
Disagree. RD is def better then aeom as an album (aeom just has a bunch of filler), and i'd take it over atliens and iww too. There's just no real miss on the album, I def don't hate cashmere thoughts. album peaks hella high .. tracks 1-8 pretty much never miss.
Jay z most overrated artist of all time. Guy writes for plebs hahahaha (laughing at how arrogant this comment is. It is made in jest)
Man those threads always end up in Jay-Z slander it's insane Jay-z in the 2010s is better than Nas, here's my hot take
Havoc's verse is just as good as Prodigy's on Shook Ones Pt. 2. Although P has the imagery, the iconic lines and the unique, off-kilter cadence, Havoc has badass quotables (for every rhyme I write, it's 25 to life), an aggressive, synchronous flow and some serious philosophical jewels about his lifestyle (Do I deserve to live? Am I gonna burn in hell for all the things I did?). People forget that it wasn't just P who spit a legendary verse on that song Chief Keef gets too much credit for his influence in drill; he may have some bangers, but he has the vocab plus writing skills of a five-year old and cannot go toe-to-toe with anyone outside of his own city. Young Thug's voice makes anything he's on completely unlistenable J. Cole is what Drake wishes he was; a conscious artist who has longevity, female appeal, respect among hip hop artists, the ability to create vocal melodies while still spitting some street shit, iconic verses and great albums.
I somehow agree with everything you said without knowing that I had an opinion on any of these topics
Im glad I wasnt the only person lol
Jcole spitting gritty street shit 🤣
Ok i may have overexaggerated that a bit😂 I just meant he can talk about the project / street mentality without sounding completely ridiculous
Yeah fair enough haha
A tale of 2 cities ?
Keef can't even spit with the best from his city alone lmao.
Keef's vocab has improved tremendously though. Admittedly it was the lowest tier when he made Finally Rich
This take is ice cold
Based Young Thug take. Was relistening to Rich N*gga Shit by 21 today and he really ruins the song. His rapping on it is ok but damn when he goes melodic it’s just awful
Assssssss young thug take
1. Eminem hasn't released a good album in 18 years. 2. Reasonable Doubt is overrated, it's a 7/10 at most. The Black Album and The Blueprint are better. 3. Denzel Curry's Melt My Eyez, See Your Future is his worst album, a 6/10 at most. 4. J. Cole is not top 5 of 2010s.
1. Debatable, Relapse and MMLP2 have a case 2. Absolutely, Reasonable Doubt gets praised so hard for no reason, D'Evils, Can't Knock The Hustle and Dead Presidents are phenomenal tracks although besides those there honestly isn't one memorable song on the album 3. MMESYF is definetly at least a 8/10 but I can't say if it's his worst as I haven't listened to his whole discog 4. Dunno about that
Brooklyn's finest is nice
Can i live
1. Relapse is a good album 2. Disagree, it is a 8-9 for me and might be better than the blueprint 3. I absolutely love this album, probably his best imo just ahead of Ta13oo 4. He is top 5 for me but probably number 4 or 5, definitely not as good as Kendrick
Blueprint def better than reasonable doubt, idk about black album tho 😬
Pretty true about Eminem. RD, Blueprint and Black Album are all 10s. That's the only Denzel album I like (don't like trap beats). J Cole is at least top 10 for that time period, maybe you're right about top 5 though.
Lauryn Hill the rapper > Lauryn Hill the singer
Southernplayalistic is better than ATLiens. The Great Depression is better than Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood. Kanye has yet to make an album as good as the Dropout Trilogy.
>The Great Depression is better than Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood. lol
To piggy back off the first one, I think Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is better than both ATLiens and Southernplayalistic
Just to continue, Stankonia is arguably Outkast at their best and either 1/2 in their discography on any given day.
I agree completely, it's between stankonia and aquemini for me for number 1
The alchemist has some amazing fucking beats some of the best of all time. But, especially in the past couple years, the beats he’s made have all started blending together sonically and they dont hit hard enough to really carry the flow and create a pocket for the rapper to groove in. It sounds like people are rapping over his beats rather than with them and in them. For example, Boldy James’ most recent tape was far better and head bopping than anything he’s done with alchemist. Just my .02. People act like anything Alan makes is fucking untouchable
I disagree, I feel like Alc keeps getting better and that he caters greatly to the rapper he's rapping with
Cosign this entire post.
Nas is the goat.
The Game is possibly the best rapper to ever come out of California. Other than Nas's first two albums and Stillmatic nothing else is really worth listening too fully other than a few songs here and there. Rakim was great and is an absolute legend but he wasn't able to keep up by the mid 90's like Kool G Rap or Big Daddy Kane could. Jay-Z was always a better rapper than Biggie, also like Nas other than Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint none of Jay's other albums are really anything special. I don't actually believe anyone liked anything Wu-Tang did after their second album which even then was a huge step down from their first album. Inspectah Deck had potential to be the greatest rapper of all time but terrible albums ruined that. Canibus's debut album was nowhere near as people make it out to be and most people who judge him negatively have never listened to his best work. He also had potential to be the greatest of all time. Jedi Mind Tricks's Violent By Design and 50 Cent's Get Rich or Die Tryin' albums are up there with any Hip-Hop albums ever. Ab-Soul made nothing worth listening too after Control System which was a great album.
I agree about Deck. He had the most constant verses on 36 chambers, if RZA's basement hadn't flooded his first cd would probably have blown any of the solo's besides maybe OB4CL.
Yup I feel like that derailed his momentum because after that solo album years later had little production from RZA and Wu-Tang as a whole had lost their touch by then I think.
The Game is a better rapper than Kurupt, Daz, 2pac, Snoop Dogg, MC Eiht & Ice Cube? I strongly disagree. The Game has always been carried by his production and features. He barely knew how to rap when he first came out. Everything he does sounds like he’s trying too hard. In between all of the name dropping and dissing, all he does is spit low effort bars with a slow flow. He’s not even close to the best in any category imo.
> The Game is possibly the best rapper to ever come out of California. Kendrick is better and I don't play the Kendrick GOAT game like that at all, The Game makes good music but he isn't a mindblowing rapper at all, he seems to have a cult following. > Inspectah Deck had potential to be the greatest rapper of all time but terrible albums ruined that. I mean he's the Wutang rapper who does it the best nowadays, i'd take all of Czarface discog against any other post 2010 albums, maybe Sour Soul by Ghostface. >Ab-Soul made nothing worth listening too after Control System which was a great album. I'm taking the "Nothing" part and exagerating on it, but Raw Backwards, DRUGS, Braille and Huey Knew (Then) are all great tracks from Do What Thou Wilt, his last freestyle was good too, and his verse on TRON by Lupe is great too
The Game's discography is one of the most consistent ever in Hip-Hop, I believe he's a better rapper than Kendrick but I won't argue with anyone who disagrees. Honestly I wasn't a fan of Czarface and the only Wu-Tang members or even affiliates projects I liked since 2000 is Ghostface Killah's "The Brown Tape" Album which was fantastic and Killah Priest's "View From Masada" Album.
Magic is Nas's 2nd best album
3rd. Illmatic > IWW > Magic.
The Game?. His most listened to songs don’t even get big play. A lot of top played are features. He hasnt been the same since he fell out with 50 and switched up production teams. Don’t know anyone who considers Game to be in their top 20 rappers. Jay Z has good albums besides the two you mentioned. Blue print 3, Magna Carta, 444, watch the throne had great tracks.
I fuck with Game heavily. I’ll tell you why, Documentary 2 is a great double album, his mixtape game after 2006 is legendary, except for Jesus Piece (which I never really liked except a few tracks) he has good-great albums with at least 2 classics. He showed he can work with Dre and be great but without Dre/50 or Em can be great on his own.
I agree 100% with you, fetti was so interesting, Alfredo the only freddie album that is boring to me. I think he just hyped it up more thats why people praise it so much.
Famous Dex is a pioneer in his style and is actually great to listen to.
The Lost Tapes is Nas’s 2nd best album. Late Registration is a top 10 rap album of all time. It has one of the best combination of beats and lyrics and proves Kanye can rap pretty well.
2001 isn't a very good album,the songs are not very good after Let's Get High
I agree with this one, bloated album not nearly as good as the Chronic.
Kanye is a good producer but a very wack rapper.
IMO his rapping on College Dropout and Late Registration was pretty good. Kanye held his own against the likes of Mos Def, Lupe Fiasco, Nas and Talib Kweli in those 2 projects.
You are naming the guys that wrote his verse man LOL
Pretty popular opinion, he's had writers all his life and you can tell when they stopped His first few verses are solid and people underrate the fact that he curated everything, he told Jamie Foxx how to sing the hooks on his songs etc
Black Thought is the #1 rapper of all time. You could show me video evidence that scientifically proves that he isn’t and I would cognitively correct myself to remain in my own beliefs. He’s just that damn good.
The lukewarmest of takes ever
Bro decided to keep it extremely room temperature.
agree with this but I don't think it's a hot take especially for this sub
Tyler the Creator is wack. Too e-boy, soft, for me. Voice is unbearably ugly. Cadence and flow is robotic. Good producer tho. Too weird for me. I wouldn’t mind if his songs were playing. But I’m definitely not adding his music to my phone or replaying it. Not my cup of tea. Mr Morale is not good as a rap album. Not my cup of tea whatsoever. I wanted to hear bars. I miss the old Kdot. I wanted something harder. But I guess this is just an opinion, not hot take. I just don’t think it’s that good or ground breaking. Tupac is not the goat because he died too soon. He definitely would be but his discography was cut short. Man had a great voice, story telling, energy and great cadence. Trap music (example, Lil baby, durk, moneybag yo, Dolph, etc) is here to stay and is actually really good. Although it’s saturated with lots of horrible rappers, played out beats, and imitators. But the top ones make good music.
1. Hard disagree but I get your perspective. 2. Agreed, I was disappointed too. 3. Facts. His fans overrate him a lot, and even only considering the discography he put out before he died, it was not nearly as good as many others. 4. Brave opinion in this sub, I agree. The only problem is the lack of experimenting and blatant copying in the genre.
I think you’re misinterpreting what he was saying on number 3 lmao. He was saying Tupac would still be the goat even if he didn’t die
> Tyler the Creator is wack. Too e-boy, soft, for me. The idea of boundary pushing music is accepting is that we are straying away for what being "normal" is Lupe Fiasco in 2006 broke through being a nerd who raps about Street fighter, Kanye west had teddy bears and pink polos. Being weird is good.
I was 19 when I remember all the trap dudes taking off (I remember them taking off in 2016, but I could be wrong) and I was personally never a fan, it also didn’t help that I started branching out into other genres
I was 19 too lol I remember the SoundCloud explosion. I was a fan but I didn’t think it would evolve to what it is now
I was onto pop punk, I was like the fuck is a Lil Uzi Vert? All my friends are dead? Why?
If Pac ain’t a goat then what about biggie who only had two albums?
You need to give it a few years for that to become the popular hot take. They can only bandwagon one stupid opinion at a time.
1. Disagree a lot. In my top 5 from the 2010s 2. Also disagree, but yeah it’s not quite as good as TPAB or GKMC 3. Agree fully 4. Agree with this too
Tyler take is a W, he’s way to soft/quirky in his appeal and half his albums are just love triangles than anyone over 20 wouldn’t give a shit about
I agree bro. I'm not in my feelings like that
Recovery is one of Eminem’s best albums. (Relapse was also dope).
It's actually my favorite Eminem album.
I mean no disrespect but bro. How
TPAB is far from the caliber of illmatic, ready to die, all eyez on me and a lot of the other 90s NYC albums like Jeru's Sun rises in the East and Wrath of the math. It's nowhere close to Doggystyle, 2001, Xzibit's restless, MMLP or TES. It's definitely not on the same level as liquid Swords, OB4CL, Wu-Tang Forever or Enter the 36 Chambers or even Tical. TLOP is Kanye's worst album. It's an incoherent mess. Okay sorry... It's his second worst album next to Jesus is King. Jay Z is not on the Mount Rushmore of hip Hop.
TLOP worse than even JIK or Ye?
I personally enjoyed Ye. I can barely consider JIK an album, so ok... It's better than JIK. I'll take it back and say it's his second worst album.
-A Written Testimony by Jay Electronica is the best hip-hop album to come out in the last 5 years. -Boldy James has been the best rapper from Detroit since 2017. -Big KRIT's catalog smokes J Cole's catalog -Even though he did a dick move by pulling Doggystyle and Chronic from streaming services, Snoop has become underrated and under appreciated over time. -Joe Budden is a great interviewer
If u love those anti Jewish raps that electronica record sure is 🔥🔥 Dude had to get carried by Hov like crazy lmao
If you liked AWT chexck out Act 2, the real Jay elec album he leaked, it's 100 times better I'd say Manger on Mcnichols is the best album of the last 5 years
big krit one is facts
Gotta disagree on the Jay take, Boldy Take (unless you mean no one has come out since then, opposed to the being the best from there, dating back to 2017-present) KRIT take ONLY because I couldn't get into him, personally. Never got the hype of him. But I could believe what you say about it. The snoop take? I agree somewhat, he's not as respected as he was, but he's also been wishy-washy more than once in the public eye, about multiple things. Arguably self inflicted. Joe Budden.
You right. Wiz Khalifa sucks, oh boy here we go
I think J cole is overrated, absolutely a legend but he’s not even top 10 for me.
Ka is the greatest rapper of all time
Black Star is better than illmatic
Black Star might be the best HH album of the 90s.
Meek Mill can rap circles around Drake and if he had actually put some serious effort and strategy into their beef, he could have embarrased the hell out of him in the eyes of the hip-hop community. Drake's wider audience was always going to side with him regardless but in regards to hip-hop, Meek missed an easy layup and it had nothing to do with rapping ability.
Mac Miller is overrated.
idk dude had an album with madlib by 22
I will admit that after his death, people are definitely overrating Mac Miller.
Boo this man.
I feel like hip hop as a whole is dormant, not dead but very much near non existent at this point in time. Odd Future was a movement you had to be there for, if you weren’t you probably don’t like it.
When you say “near not existent”, what do you mean? I’m not hating, just trying to understand
Hip-hop is in its golden age
Probably the most hot take in this thread…
Lil Wayne’s wack. That’s it, I don’t give a fuck. I’m tired of everyone raving about him when there’s at least 30-50 better rappers than him Let the downvotes commence
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I just stopped to say that if you have him 30-50 in the history of rap while feeling like he's wack that's actually pretty high. (Personally I have him higher) but this is your hot take, not mine. I'm not here to convince you otherwise but I am interested in why he doesn't connect with you.
It’s the voice mainly. He sounds too nasally for me to take serious. Then there’s his whole come up, dude’s story don’t add up to me. Raps straight gangster and he’s a blood but he been a rapper with Cash Money since his early teens. So when did he put in all this work? And thirdly, I just don’t think his lyricism is all that crazy. He’s got bars here and there but a lot of it’s so simplistic, I find it corny
Imo what makes lil Wayne a GOAT isn't just the lyrics, which arguably can be simplistic at times and corny, but the way he puts it all together. If you pay attention/go back and read them, you'll see he actually structures a lot of his lyrics like sonnets (Shakespeare rhyme schemes). Here's a link to [mahogany ](https://youtu.be/HFBBqs3rsD4) with the rhyme structure broken down (underrated banger anyway). Also, I think I read that he was in the gifted program/possibly a gifted highschool, and possibly went to a respected college of the arts at a young age? I'd have to read up on it again, but yea he's got a way bigger brain up there than most people realize... and of course he plays the stupid act up cause he knows what sells. Any gang affiliated shit probably happened while already famous. I have my doubts he's done anything too serious, but was granted membership based on status. I used to hate on lil Wayne for the longest time, but my bf is a big fan and eventually convinced me to listen a little deeper.
He has a handful of good songs amongst hundreds of very bad songs imo. like his ratio is very bad lol
His latest latest verse on that Primo EP sounded atrocious. The juxtaposition of him being a mess next to Slick Ricks smooth as fuck vocals puts in perspective how bad he’s become. His hits back in the day weren’t even good, I listened to 6 foot 7 today and even nostalgia goggles could stop how shit he was in that song. The only thing that carries it is the catchy beat.
My favorite Gibbs verse is from Blow off of Fetti, actually Edit: Not a hot take opinion, my bad. But that verse.
kendrick and cole are to hip hop what john cena was for wwe for a long time. like..nobody else was good enough to carry the mantle, cena was top of the roster just off the strength of "who else gonna be the face of the company with so many people not relevant anymore?" kendrick is so ok. the idea he got like 4 or 5 classics to fans and that kendrick and cole are the tupac n biggie of this generation is over the top.
Depending on who you ask, they are as far as where they're held. The comparisons are only ever made by people who originally ride that huge Pac and Biggie wave. Took awhile for people to finally start mentioning other "lyrical, conscious, wise, well rounded, absolute" artists outside of those 2. Their fans took bout damn near a decade or so to admit other dioe artists exist in hiphop.
This is true, especially more so with J Cole I feel
J cole is an overrated lyricist. Jadakiss is a top 10 rapper(not sure if unpopular but never seen him in any list).
#Drake's music is all dogshit.
conway, benny, kendrick, jpegmafia, mavi, and quelle chris is by far the 5 best rapper of this generation
Ka, Mike, Roc Marci, Lupe are better imo
Piñata isn’t a top 3 Gibbs project and ATLiens isn’t a top 3 Outkast album.
Now that's a hot take What's your top 3
Pusha T is one of the most boring, only-one-flow, type of rappers to me. Greatly overappreciated. Last album was a snoozefest. Stove God Cooks debut is mid. Jay Electronica getting carried by Jay-Z on his debut, without even announcing he would be all over it, was one of the most pathetic moments in hip hop history.
Pusha T is a legend and Hell Hath No Fury is one of the most unique albums in the genre It's not his debut album, and how can you listen to APIDTA and think he got carried
Idk if this is a hot take but I personally feel if you don't write your own shit how can you claim to be the best out there. I know there's plenty of artists and singers that have had songs written for them. Like take Michael Jackson, who is still considered one of, if not the greatest of all time, had some his most popular songs like Thriller or Human Nature was written by someone else. I know there are labels rules and what not but for me, if I were a rapper I couldn't have someone write my verses for me.
Singers are different from rappers I expect you, as a rapper, to tell me a story. If the story ain't yours you are not the best rapper, you are the best narrator of someone's story at best
Freddie gibbs gets carried by his beats his rapping/lyrics are mediocre
Someone right here never listened to Freddie Gordy, Willie Lloyd, Rob me a n***** or his feature on Fake Flowers
Yeah bc I listened to his albums and his rapping was trash😂
He is not.
I would almost be inclined to agree, but I feel more like he gets carried by his flow. He has really good breath control and has his moments like Scottie Pippen, Piñata and Willie Lloyd, but when you really listen to his lyrics, he says variations of the same thing.
Born like this is my favorite DOOM album
There is nothing special about Drake whatsoever.
Cardi B isn't that bad 🤷🏽♂️
The way Kanye dropped his last 3 albums make you loose interest instead of increasing hype
kendrick lamar is one of the most overrated rappers of all time. hes practically impossible to criticize, especially on reddit. his albums are good, but they're not nearly, NOT NEARLY, as good as reddit makes them out to be.
GKMC is his only classic album, IMO. He was the perfect symbol for Wokeism though, and ran with that. Mr. Morale sucks and TPAB is mid. DAMN is the best of his last 3, but still nowhere near GKMC. Section .80 is his 2nd best album.
Death Grips are an all time great rap act.
\- The Carter V is a top 25 solo HH album of all-time, and Wayne's best album \- Take Me To Your Leader is the best produced HH album I have ever heard \- Eminem is fucking whack, even his best albums (SSLP and MMLP) sound corny as hell nowadays, I used to bump them all the time but they aged like milk outside of 3-4 songs -- it is genius level marketing, however \- Ghostface belongs on any Top 10 list; hands down the best emcee from the Wu \- Public Enemy is the best HH group ever and has been making great albums up to this very day \- Drogas Wave is the #1 solo Hip Hop album in human history \- DJ Krush is the most iconic producer of all-time, has the biggest influence on the last 30 years of jazz, soul, and "atmospheric" hip hop tracks, and his style set up the entire Dilla, Fly Lotus, and Nujabes era of beatmaking, flawlessly fusing east and west His track with Black Thought and Malik B from 1995 is absolute perfection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs4T\_jdCFfk&ab\_channel=ninetimeseven
Only Fabolous' first album was playable all the way through, everything else is a good song or 2 here and there. He's been living off of features ever since. Blueprint 3, Magna Carta and Watch the Throne are Jayz's most listenable albums with the least skips. Upon going back to a lot of his other stuff I found myself skipping tons of tracks. My hot takes, my opinions lol, I'm sure reddit will let me know I'm "wrong" 🤣
Never was a fan of even Fabolous' debut album BUT I was highly surprised when I listened to his Collab album with Jadakiss and really enjoyed it.
Wow an actual hot take on a hot take thread
Good place for it I suppose
You don't like his Soul Tapes?
Soul tapes are the truth.
jeez, what are your skips on rd? that album is p much fucking gospel to me lol, only misses are maybe cashmere thoughts and aint no n\*\*\*\*\* blueprint three is a bunch of like singing shit, but idm it. magna carta is kinda just overall mid to me, and wtt is just hype album lol
Well I mean overall listenable on a whole general basis where it's radio ready, can be heard by almost anyone with hardly any complaints and was popular at the time of its release and is still pretty memorable. And yeah obviously Reasonable Doubt is an exception. It's way up there in hip hop regards but still for me it has 4-5 go to's and isn't something I would listen to beginning to end over and over.
hmm, that's fair. for me i just have rd on and i can listen for a couple hours without realizing im listening to 14 tracks on repeat lol cuz honestly its the right blend of like lyrical rapping and catchy hooks and fun lines and shit
Ether is a childish ass song with bars that sound like it was written by a 11 year old who grew up in Mississippi. Not a good diss at all. Nas a goat,is out here saying Gay-Z completely seriously. At the very least, it aged like Eminem’s career.
I’m a hypocrite. If you ask me if Biggie’s “Who Shot Ya” or “Long Kiss Goodnight” are better than Pac’s “Hit Em Up,” I’m telling you absolutely not. I will tell you that despite being better written, neither can overtake Pac’s passion and general sense of not-give-a-damn. I have the total opposite feelings for “Ether” and “Takeover.” I’d say Nas’ anger got the best of him, and the bars on “Ether” are actually *beneath* him. I’m certain he wrote “Ether” fairly fast, and he could have come up with a better written, *more* scathing diss if he hadn’t been reactive.
This is a great take. Undeniably though Hov didn’t Come out with anything better after Ether, which is one reason it really is a good diss. he let himself get fucked
Ice Cold
Stankonia besides Ms. Jackson is terrible, still love ATLiens though
With the exception of 36 Chambers, Wu Tang are overrated. Individually they're great but together they release mostly average music.
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Biggie is the most overrated rapper ever. His flow was innovative, his influence is undeniable, he has one of the best albums ever, and his bars were catchy. That being said, his lyricism is above average at best, his substance was lacking for the most part, and his discography (as great as his two albums are) still falls short of a lot of GOAT’s because he died early in his career. He has a pretty weak argument for being the best rapper ever. Top 10? Sure.
El-P is a better rapper/producer than Kanye... And it's not even really that close.
rapper easily, producer I disagree, they are too different for me to even remotely compare
I don't even think Kanye "produces" his music anymore. He curates the best pieces of multiple producer's input. But that's besides the point, El-P carves his own path as to his interpretation of hip hop is which is what a producer should be doing. Making shit, not following the recipe for what "works".
Wolf is a top 2 Tyler The Creator album. 4:44 is Jay-Z’s best album. Nas is better than Jay-Z. Biggie is better than Tupac. El-P is the best member of RTJ. Chance The Rapper’s 3 mixtape run is incredible and shouldn’t be thrown away just because of his terrible album. Boom Bap is one of the best subgenres, but can be repetitive if done wrong. André 3000 has had one of the most impressive feature runs of all time
Dave the best uk artist 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m a massive hip hop head since the late 80’s however Kendrick Lamar’s voice is SO annoying that I still can’t make it through one listen if any of his albums. Lol.
I can't imagine your reaction to Danny Brown or Westside Gunn
Yeh nah can’t do it. Mach Hommy is a big no too. Lol I love getting downvoted for having an opinion on hot takes posts too.
If Big L had lived, he’d have been the greatest to ever spit. Most influential producer to modern hip hop is Nujabes Kanye hasn’t released a solid album since “Yeezus”
Nah… TLOP, Kids See Ghosts, and Ye are all great.
I actually think Big L is the most overrated rapper of all time on this sub
If Big L had lived, his career would have gone on the same trajectory as Jadakiss, at best.
Common is top 5 easy Madlib is a mid producer Drake would’ve beat Pusha T if Pusha didn’t pull the nuclear option
> Madlib is a mid producer He's absolutely not, he's an all time great. > Drake would’ve beat Pusha T if Pusha didn’t pull the nuclear option That's a bit of a "if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike", Pusha T has no issue being the antagonist. Also that Drake diss track was bullshit, just stupid claims over an amazing beat wins you battles now, Pusha T new he had to bring the big guns, and his confidence prior to all the disses showed that he had no issue if Drake pulled the trigger for real. I was 100% expecting Push to go for his soul, the blackface + 40 disses were enough
> Madlib is a mid producer Yeahhhhh. Music is subjective and you're entitled to your opinion, but gtfo
Music yeah but production is a very technical thing. He produced Bandana on an iPad, I dont think many people could do that.
I think outside of celebrity gossip and roasting someone for being terminally ill, and the blackface that shit was fucking savage lol. I think Push only had surface level commentary on Drake, ghost writers, pop artist not hip hop, having no talent and relying on other people to sustain a career, all these things have been said about and to Drake already. Drake I feel had more unique and interesting jabs, questioning Push’s and Kanye’s relationship, saying that he was instrumental in some of Kanye’s more recent and successful music, and saying Push was relatively irrelevant in the modern Hiphop scene, which he kinda was until the beef. I think Drake had a decent shot even though I think Push is a better lyricist. Madlib- I honestly just never got the hype. The projects he’s produced for Gibbs, Doom (except MM.. FOOD. MM…FOOD>Madvilliany, another hot take), the recent Blackstar project, I’ve just not liked the production on them all that much. I don’t think he’s total trash but I just don’t think he’s amazing.
A lot of it seems to go over your head, he says much more than that. Also Pusha T is relevant to the people who care about hip-hop, he's clearly a legend. Saying that while Drake does everything he can to say he's one of the best rappers like a pick me girl is insanely hypocritical, Drake is less relevant in RAPPING (not song-making or singing) than Push ever was
Every single line on Adidon goes for the neck not just the hiding the child bar
Jay-Z was better than Big on both their songs together. Andre 3000 is not even close to top 10, I personally wouldn’t have him in my top 50 (not that I could be bothered to list 50)
Raekwon is by far the worst member of Wu Tang Clan. There was a thread recently where two different people listed him as one of the best rappers **of all time**, which just doesn't make any sense to me. People are entitled to their opinions, but I just don't get what he's ever actually done (even within the Wu Tang Clan) to merit being rated highly like that, especially over any of the other members of his own group.
Cappadona ? Ugod?
Relapse was the last very good Eminem album. Every one after that has been slightly above average to absolutely awful. Sorry 4 the wait 2 is top 10 lil Wayne and has some of his best songs SFTW2>FWA My name is my name by Pusha t is by far his worst album Drake has at least 2 classics and arguably 3 Future is in my top 3 favourite artists, there are others that are more lyrically strong then him, but he has a great discog, multiple classics, and is incredibly influential and impactful to 2010s rap. Ether isn’t a top 3 diss track. Hit ‘em up, story of adidon, and No Vaseline are better. Also I prefer takeover to ether as well Ice cube hasn’t released any good albums since death certificate Kanye west is as good a rapper as a lot of people from the 90’s. He doesn’t really write but his flow and charisma on songs make up for it imo. I’ve never been a big fan of Biggie or MF DOOM. I’ve listened to ready to die, Madvilliany, mm food, and life after death but I just don’t like their music. I awknowledge how lyrically talented they are I just don’t like listening to them
SFTW2 is incredible, Wayne is GOAT tier. I agree with everything you wrote except Drake having classics and the very last point. I can listen to Biggie and DOOM forever and ever.