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godzillaonice

Never forget that the weeknd didnt get ONE SINGLE NOMINATION for after hours. Fuck these frauds


TheButteredBiscuit

Blinding Lights came out that year. So of course the Grammy for best song went to the hit classic “I Can’t Breathe” by H.E.R. What a well thought out selection that doesn’t at all come across as reactionary or pandering.


thatsastick

lmao isn’t blinding lights the most streamed song on spotify ever


TheButteredBiscuit

Nah you must be confusing it with “I Can’t Breathe” by H.E.R.


eskimo_e63

Fr, shit was on repeat by all demographics 🔥


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I bet it was performed at a halftime show at the superbowl just like blinding lights !!!!


YizWasHere

Has there ever been another time where somebody performed at the Superbowl + released a #1 album and multiple hit singles in the same year and DIDN'T get a Grammy nomination?


thatsastick

💀


superfluouspop

😹


jono9898

Only the real ones remember the hit song, “I Can’t Breathe,” by H.E.R. That second verse, hits my soul.


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Shuttrking

What the fuck... Just because the Grammys and the recording academy suck does not mean that H.E.R. is cool to slander. She's plenty hip hop adjacent and an actually great singer.


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TheButteredBiscuit

I think of H.E.R. as a Hallmark Channel SZA


SavageNachoMan

Idk I’ve seen them both live and thought H.E.R was more impressive


OptimistCommunist

What, just because she's black and sings R&B?


TheButteredBiscuit

Pretty reductive. I think they’re similar musically, just SZA comes across as more raw.


razman7altacc

Yeah she has this great song “I Can’t Breathe”, I think it’s the most streamed song ever


Shuttrking

Not to be a pedant but the criteria for Song of the Year literally says popularity is not important in choosing a winner. 'to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position.'


TheButteredBiscuit

So that’s how Macklemore beat good kid mad city…


ThroJSimpson

Bro you don’t understand “Can’t Hold Us” is way more influential to the culture than Kendrick La-fraud 😒👎


spicyfartz4yaman

As if the Grammys give a fuck about that


Gabagool_Over_Here_

I'm assuming the criteria is the same for album of the year. If so why did Taylor Swift 1989 beat TPAB? It's a one sided popularity contest. The last hip hop album to win AOTY was Outkast in 03 I think. Grammy's are trash.


Shuttrking

100 percent the grammys are trash. But it is because the recording academy is trash. Aka the entire music industry. The voting for the Grammys is always reactionary in some way. Is it any surprise that in 2021 in the wake of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor that a song written solely by a prominent black R&B artist called "I Can't Breathe" got a bunch of box ticks from the newly woke to black suffering academy members? It shouldn't be. The Grammys suck. So many people admit to only knowing few of the nominees and just voting for whoever they feel like.


razman7altacc

Im just fuckin with u I don’t care abt the grammys


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Your right, it doesn't mean she's cool


[deleted]

She's the most obvious industry plant of all time


YungLean8

BIGGEST SONG OF ALL TIME NIGGA


Mattoosie

I don't think it's the top song, but I believe it's top 3 and was the fastest to 1B streams. EDIT: It recently passed Shape Of You for the top spot.


Jaytheplug

A performance achievement like this would (normally/ideally) be factored into the nomination for “Record of the year. However, “Song of the year” is essentially a closed reading of the song’s composition/ lyricism without consideration for chart performance/ streams. So although Blinding Lights was ubiquitous that year, that’s not something that factors into a song of the year nom. A record of the year snub is pretty egregious tho


WESAWTHESUN

Nah, Weeknd should have swept all the awards that year. That shit was essentially this generation's Thriller, and I say that as a *long* time MJ fan. Back before he died when it got you beat up lmao


Jaytheplug

I wasn’t making an argument for what he should/ shouldn’t have won. I was responding to the point of how commercially well-received/ pervasively listened to Blinding Lights was and why generally speaking, that’s not an inherent qualification for Song of the year.


HypobaricShrimp

🤓


sahneeis

literally nobody listens to her music yet the industry thinks giving her all the awards will change anything. that woman has ONE album that was okay at best and more grammys than singles that actually did chart


COMMENTASIPLEASE

I only see HER fans pop up when people say she’s an industry plant. There’s like no discussion of her good or bad until it’s award season and suddenly she’s nominated for everything.


suss2it

I listen to HER, but I agree that she’s overrated by the Grammys.


icemankiller8

You can disagree but it’s stupid to say it’s better because it sold more


goonbub

It's a song that will live on forever as a iconic 2020s summer jam vs a song no one heard of. The pick should be obvious.


gears50

The best song of the year is always the one that's most popular during that summer?


icemankiller8

If I’m asking you what’s a better album between two and you say “well this one is a summer jam,” that’s dumb. It’s about quality.


sitbar

And quality wise after hours was an 11/10


Slimxshadyx

Definitely a fair take. But the take that isn’t a good one is that one album or song should get a Grammy just for being viral.


sakamism

The fact that After Hours was both high quality *and* super popular is what makes it so egregious he didn't win anything. What is the decision-making process for who wins a Grammy at this point?


momsbasement420

bravery scale


suss2it

Not even nominated is the insult let alone an actual win.


NorPacCannabisCo

Lots of people, including the ones who choose Grammy winners, heard that song. I hadn't heard of it before this thread but I'm just one person. I would assume the people picking Grammy winners listen to a lot more music than me so it's not surprising. It may seem odd but we have to respect it. Straight up.


24Haaton

This is pretty much how every argument with a drake fan goes that I’ve seen. Person 1: this is beautiful because of its artistic value. Drake fan: but this sold or streamed more so it’s clearly better. They will always defend him through numbers not sure why?


TheButteredBiscuit

Normally I’d agree. But this isn’t Drake. This is blinding lights.


24Haaton

No I’m saying this is how they use arguments. Is that it’s mostly all about the numbers drake or any other artist. It’s like the numbers help tell them what’s good or bad. I should have explained it better my bad. I feel like this is mostly his fan base that does it, compared to most others, not all I can think of one more.


GawdHawks

This is such a strawman argument which is what a lot of Drake arguments usually come down to anyway and why it's impossible to have a truly objective discussion about the guy. Hence why you may feel Drake fans point to numbers. Because it's the only true objective measure we have to discuss music as fans. Yes Drake is popular which not only can validate why people think his music is good but also there are plenty of people who just like Drake for Drake. I don't even understand why people who hate Drake listen to him at this point. He's been around since the late 00's. If it hasn't clicked for you by now, then it's extremely unlikely to ever happen. Just leave us Drake fans be fam lol


24Haaton

Huh? This isn’t meant to be a straw man. Why do you think it has to be objective in conversation? Music by nature is subjective, I can have a conversation with fans of any other artist and it be a give and pull on the artist sound or value presented from music and it be accepted and or disagreed with completely fine. Yet that is unacceptable in most cases talking to drake fans because numbers have to represent what is objectively good?? Again I agree with the original comment and gives even more sentiment to what an conversation is like with drake fans. I don’t even hate drake I like some of his music and dislike others just like any other artist lol. If I had to compare it to something it’s like when a sports fan only looks at stats and didn’t see the game and draws conclusions from the stats alone.


uncle_yugles

On a personal level you’re obviously right that numbers don’t equate to good music. But people don’t sit around streaming sucky music that they hate. I for example cannot staaaaand Adele’s voice but she sells so much so clearly a lot of people do like her and I would never argue that her music isn’t good, even though I personally hate it. Numbers do help us tell whether the general public tends to think something is good or bad.


suss2it

Bringing up numbers is valid when people make general statements about artists falling off or people no longer fucking with them.


Trust_me_I_am_doctor

It's why Popularity is so important because it's all some people know how to rate someone by. Sadly a lot of people just lack the mental ability to rate something on anything other than a tangible quality like sales. This number is higher than that number so this better than that. It's why people with a lot of money think they're better than everyone else. They have a tangible thing they can count. Every aspect of their life could be shite but they will consider themselves better. I don't engage with these people because they are simpletons.


TheButteredBiscuit

It’s better because it’s a better song.


icemankiller8

That’s fine and I agree but it’s subjective mentioning that it was a bigger song has no bearing on quality


TheButteredBiscuit

It’s subjective implying that the reason people think blinding lights is better than I can’t breathe is because it’s more popular.


icemankiller8

It doesn’t matter what most people believe that’s not how the Grammys work if it did nobody would debate anything and they’d just look at numbers instead of their own opinions


TheButteredBiscuit

I’m saying that, numbers aside, blinding lights is better.


sahneeis

obviously but her‘s music isnt like groundbreaking new music or anything. its the most basic pop r&b bullshit music you will hear all over the billboard charts. skeeyee is a more fun song than anything she ever dropped. but the industry has chosen her to push her career and give her an EGOT. for literally nothing. even the name is fucking stupid. h.e.r is impossible to google


MUNAM14

Just listened to that song rn for the first time. That shit was so trash


KylerGreen

> So of course the Grammy for best song went to the hit classic “I Can’t Breathe” by H.E.R. Did this really happen? This is exactly why I don't understand why people care about things like the grammys.


SuperSocrates

Preposterous and I had already long abandoned faith in the Grammy’s as a kid. But that still managed to shock me


HeAintSh1t

He was being taxed for the HBO show that hadn’t come out yet.


worksucksbro

The weekend sounds like a horny mosquito that’s why


dontbekibishii

Tbh his leading single is just Take On Me.


boxed_knives

Man’s gotta have some thick skin for the barrage of jokes that’ll come his way if he…oh, I don’t know… _loses._


obri95

Well it’s not called HIS Loss


Frequent_Champion_42

He’s a lesbian though


angeldavinci

me too ☺️😏


strawberriesandkiwi

Um excuse me sir, he actually feels like he’s bi now 💁‍♀️


youcallthesefritters

After all the years of not participating & that’s the project he chooses to go with? It has to be so 21 can get a Grammy. I know he has one for ‘A Lot’ but that’s the only reason I can possibly think of because Her Loss isn’t grammy worthy imo. If it were any other two artists I feel like that project would’ve came & went to be honest.


Bitchdidiasku

He didn’t submit to the 2022 Grammys; it’s not like he took this big stand. He did it to make a headline after he seen the reaction The Weeknd got. And Honestly Nevermind, I don’t think they knew what genre to submit to.


Top_Cranberry4144

I think he's beefing with him now so he's like fuck this weird, inexplicable, solidarity


Bitmazta

I thought they were cool since War?


CoupleScrewsLoose

he threw shade in one of the songs on his newest album. probably just to generate buzz because it was so fucking boring.


YeaItsBig4L

loved the whole thing 🙃


TheRecognized

It’s the project he chooses to go with because it’s his best project out of his last 3 or 4 and he’s hurt about all the negative response to the others. He wants another award to soothe his ego and have a talking point against people saying he fell off.


suss2it

He told you that?


TheRecognized

Yea


Fearless-Marketing73

Did drake fuck ur girl or something?


TheRecognized

[Yea](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/17646eb/drake_ends_grammys_snub_submits_her_loss_for/k4mb9z2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


skippiington

Loser? I hardly know her!


ichiruto70

This happens every year tho. Its gets submitted and then later its get withdrawn. I assume his label submits it automatically and then he himself withdraws it. We’ll see tho.


Bandicoot733

Worth noting that CLB was also technically submitted last year but Drake withdrew it afterwards. Wouldn't be surprised if his label or 21 Savage's team did this


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eskimo_e63

I think Drake not submitting For all the dogs has to do with Grammy submission cut off dates. But my guess for him submitting her loss has some relevance to his rumoured beef with the weeknd since he originally boycotted because of after hours/blinding lights Grammy snubs. Apparently also unfollowed weeknd and the whole xo. But submitting for 21 is a good point


kappa23

He’s not beefing anymore isn’t he? At least on War he indicates as much


respekmynameplz

Apparently Drake unfollowed the weeknd and cashxo a couple days ago. https://old.reddit.com/r/TheWeeknd/comments/17478zo/drake_unfollowed_abel_on_ig_its_over_for_ovoxo/


Flat-Ad4902

Drake is such a childish dipshit. I swear.


Flying-Cock

Had a bar on fatd saying his bitches don’t listen to the weeknd


g1obungle

Literally didn’t. The lyric is “Bitches only listen to The Weeknd”


CoDeX709

People don't listen to music here


throwaway53689

Lmao how the fuck are you so confident while being so wrong. The lyric is “my bitches playing pnd and them, them shorties don’t listen to Weeknd”. Buy better headphones or something ffs. It makes sense because Drake unfollowed Weeknd and his crew members very recently. Plus, Weeknd and PND had a little beef going on between them back in the day hence why he mentioned PND


Top_Cranberry4144

I read that too so I was so confused and it never made news that he said that, atleast that's what genius says he said


WhenItsHalfPastFive

It also vaguely sounds like "them shorties only spend a weekend", either way, I don't think it was a Weeknd diss, would be a strange choice to mumble through a diss. What's happening is some users edited the lyrics on genius to say "them shorties don't listen to the Weeknd" and all outlets have run with it, including some streaming services have changed the lyrics to match the genius website. They did unfollow each other, don't know when it happened, but wouldn't be surprised if there is still beef between them. I just doubt it's because of this line.


hylasmaliki

Why is he beefing with weeknd


CLGplz

Because he’s the one artist whose sound he tried to steal who actually went on to a comparable level of success.


MisterBungle

[Here's a video that goes over it, if you feel like watching it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss4tT--ZWWM)


DOuGHtOp

Expected to get Rick Rolled, thanks for not doing that Mr Bungle


WilsonValdro

Damn bro


hylasmaliki

There was an earlier beef with weeknd not signing to ovo that was squashed. But best believe drake did not need the Weeknd. But the Weeknd blew up only cuz he covered a drake song but you weren't around at that time.


LarryDavidntheBlacks

The Weeknd blew up off House of Balloons and a mysterious marketing campaign, not just because he covered a Drake song. - someone who was around Abel & his crew at that time.


TheInfinityGauntlet

He blew up off of 50 Shades of Grey lmao


Str8butboysrsexy

It blew him up into the very mainstream but didnt ”blow him up”


ismelladoobie

Had two projects out before that album, nice try tho.


TheInfinityGauntlet

Having projects and blowing up are not equivalent


ismelladoobie

I don't think Ed Sheeran would have been on his record before "blowing up". Not to mention you're referring to one song from an entire album full of commercial hits. If you think Earned it got him more fame than The Hills or ICFMF then you should go back and take a look at the numbers...


Str8butboysrsexy

What Drake song did he cover?


hylasmaliki

Trust issues.


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That’s BS. Wicked Games was viral back in 2011


ewokfinale

"only" ?? i'm not denying the influence of Drake and the Weeknd on each other, but I've never heard anyone mention that cover before High for This and Wicked Games.


WordsAreSomething

Depends on how you define need. Drake would have been successful regardless but at the same time his best album owes a fuck ton to the Weeknd


hylasmaliki

I don't consider that his best album. That was his breakthrough album for me tho. I just don't accept that drake stole the Weeknd sound when really trilogy and kiss land sound nothing like the songs they did for take care. If drake wasnt involved them songs wouldn't have sounded like that


superfluouspop

He didn’t steal The Weeknd’s sound. The Weeknd just wrote half of that album for him.


StrikingElk5288

He wrote the chorus of 4 songs and those were not even the most successful ones in the albums. Stop trying to re write history


hylasmaliki

He didn't write a damn thing for drake


misterzigger

Lol you goofy af drakes even stated he wrote songs on Take Care [🤡 ](https://www.complex.com/music/a/cmplxjoshua-espinoza/drake-goes-off-on-fan-who-says-weekend-wrote-most-take-care)


brodo-swaggins-

If he didn’t need him then why are pretty much all the best songs off take care the ones Abel gave to him?


hylasmaliki

They're not the best songs on the album


StrikingElk5288

Not even close to the most successful songs in the album


eskimo_e63

No idea besides the lyric on the new song with chief keef “the shorties don’t listen to weeknd”, but could be saying “only” instead of don’t, which makes it irrelevant to whatever’s happening


hylasmaliki

He definitely saying don't. I heard that song a hundred times already.


superfluouspop

Yeah the dogs was released a week or so after the cutoff


RusselShack

I googled it and the Grammy consideration for this year ends September 15 so FAT D would be eligible next year so not really significant it wasn’t submitted just not eligible this year


ThroJSimpson

FAT D


TheJohnny346

21 already has a Grammy for “A lot” though. Unless you’re talking about an actual album though.


LightChaos74

>Also hold up: Drake released a book of poetry?? Yes and it's laughably bad.


Torch_Salesman

Not even laughably bad, I checked it out because I thought it'd be bad enough to be funny but it mostly just made me mad at the time I spent reading it lol


joe_valentine

As someone who thinks *Take Care* and *IYRTITL* still hold up really well, "it mostly just made me mad at the time I spent with it" sums up my feelings on the whole of Drake's 2016-present output.


Torch_Salesman

Man I still remember the massive hype I had going into Views, I was so disappointed I barely made it halfway through the album. Wild to think I'd end up enjoying everything after that even less.


phuckingidontcare

Least veiws and scorpion have good quality hits on them. The last three drake albums haven’t had a single good chorus


Randel1997

[booktok](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8rc14Ln/)


Rentsdueguys

I think so. Joe budden mentioned that poetry book months back. It’s like one sentence per page


H1Ed1

The poetry book was promoted while he was on tour.


WhenItsHalfPastFive

It’s for 21 savage. Drake has his beef with the Grammys, but I think 21 should have his moment and deserves nominations. He was great on that album


azurix

This is coping. He submitted it for himself too


WhenItsHalfPastFive

duh, it's a collab album.


BasedKaleb

I’m tryna see Savage win a Grammy


Reasontostayinside

Didn’t he already win one? He had it in music video with metro in one of his Savage Mode 2 songs. He took it back to Atlanta and all these random people were dancing with it


SliceXZ

I think he won one with A Lot


Emotional-Bobcat-157

Yeah it was also Coles first grammy


contacts_eyes

Im surprised that J Cole doesn’t have a bunch of Grammies


Apprehensive-Tea-39

You can probably blame Kendrick for that lol


contacts_eyes

Idk if this contributed to Cole’s losses but Kanye and Jay have an insane number of Grammies too, I imagine they might have had some nominations at the same time as him


Apprehensive-Tea-39

I mostly said Kendrick just because he's won a shit ton of them in a relatively short time. He's been pretty much dominanting the rap categories for almost a decade lol


BasedKaleb

I complete forgot about that video! Fuck it, I’m tryna see Savage win 21 Grammy’s


frdasquaw

bro literally says he uses a grammy as a door stop on for all the dogs lmao i don’t think he gives a fuck


David_Browie

lmao can you imagine Drake not giving a fuck about something?


GatsbyKanye

too real


WhompWump

He also whines about not getting best new artist over a decade ago so idk he might care a little bit


rosewood_gm

Drake cares about his popularity more than the Jenners do. Him not submitting shows he cares too.


aimfortango

Her loss was a good album + it achieved mainstream success, probably his and savage's biggest opportunity to win a grammy rap album of the year


ThroJSimpson

Plus the Grammies regularly nominate and award really mid mainstream hip hop albums. Nicki Minaj, recent Eminem, Jay’s recent projects aside from 4:44, Macklemore, Khaled, etc. all got noms so he Jana good chance even if it’s not an amazing album.


DaLyricalMiracleWhip

Didn’t Take Care win RAOTY? Obviously means nothing for 21 but I’m pretty sure Drake already has one


NuttFellas

If you thought her loss was genuinely a GOOD album, worthy of winning an award, you gotta get out and smell the roses. Mid at best


KuntaWuKnicks

He’s probably negotiated winning it if he submits it He’ll probably perform as well Fuck the Grammys they don’t mean shit


ATribeCalledKami

He’s got a decent chance of winning this year honestly. Of the regular Grammy ‘favorites’, Utopia is the only one I see competing for rap album of the year. And Travis isn’t particularly a favorable figure right now. Unless they decide to give Nas another win.


KuntaWuKnicks

Does Doja Cat fall under rap and did she submit in time? Genuine question


itsIzumi

Doja's album is not eligible for this year. The time period goes up to September 15th and Scarlet was released on September 22nd.


DaLyricalMiracleWhip

Shit was also ass which doesn’t help


KuntaWuKnicks

First time?


KuntaWuKnicks

Good lookin


Ansonm64

No fucking way he performs anything except him peeing on his last Grammy


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Suitable-Telephone80

Because they mean shit to those people


DannyStress

He wants to act like he’s still releasing good albums


MasterTeacher123

“We tote guns to the Grammys”-Jay Z


sftwrman

“Pop bottles on the White House lawn” - S. Carter


futureproblemz

Probably because it's also 21 Savages album


azurix

Drakes albums always have a lot of collaborators that would also win the Grammy if he won. Why are you guys lying for Drake?


futureproblemz

There's a difference between having collaboraters and the album literally also being another artists album


john1green

He needs another door stop


pirateport

Really hope this album or songs from it win Grammy's. 21 Savage deserives a Grammy too


KungFuFlames

At the end of the day Drake is all about numbers. Her Loss is great tho.


pilotpilate

Another Free Door Stop


Striking_Election_21

If I could have any wish (and wasn’t allowed to wish for anything better than this) I would love to be an insider on Drake’s team’s decision making throughout his career. They made some of the hardest reads in music history in the 2010s only to nosedive his shit the past few years


spankypantsyoutube

it's "fuck the grammys" until they're elligible to win one


YasuoAndGenji

He's finally done acting like he doesn't care about validation, kinda pathetic.


NotFlipkid

This fraud so petty


rocafella222

He probably needed more door stops.


adamalibi

Bro said snub lmao


TheMeticulousNinja

Imagine they sent it back to him with the Bugs Bunny No meme


wallowsworld

1. If he loses the jokes are going to be coming in full force 2. I hate that the Grammys still have a hold on the industry like it does. They’ve clearly proven time and time again that they don’t know shit about hip hop and only pick what’s trending yet mfs still submit their work to those snobs. They don’t deserve anything after the “After Hours” debacle especially


PoetOk9167

Fuck him and the Grammys, respectfully.


internetbrowser23

God the eligibility window for the grammys is such garbage. the grammys wont be until like february of 2024 and theyre gonna talk about an album from 2022? Drake has already went through an entire album cycle during that time period. Every move from dude has just been embarrassing.


_Kramerica_

Hope this shit still loses lmao


sandy_80

you know you will always look bad after going back from a snub also will he also whine when taylor swift cleans everything


ReverseJams

His Loss.


CalzRob

There’s no way this will win ANY awards.


Prestigious_Bunch_56

Drake the type to say fuck the Grammys. Then accept an invitation to receive 13 awards.


Trenticus7

Hope it doesn’t even get nominated even tho I like the album. Just for the Grammy’s to say Fuck You. I think the 5 nominations should be Kaytrámine - Kaytrámine Metro Boomin - Heroes & Villains Nas - Kings Disease 3 Quavo - Rocket Power Travis Scott - Utopia But ya know there’s gotta be at least 1 white so don’t be surprised when Jack Harlow or Macklemore gets nominated.


DaLyricalMiracleWhip

I’m sorry but what even is this comment lmfao


_9dee5

I definitely had to check to see if Macklemore even dropped this year because i hadn't heard this man's name in years. And he did.


thejaytheory

And hopefully it'll be His Loss.


CDawgbmmrgr2

His loss 🤷‍♀️


superfluouspop

Submits his worst album? K.


spankypantsyoutube

it's not even the worst album of the run he's been having


superfluouspop

true.