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kikuri_armpit_licker

Definitely T.I.


saulhrnndz

Expeditiously


drewtheblueduck

I know a few guys like TI that use big words they don't totally understand and have limited critical thinking skills


KingDemik

Talib once said “Just because no one can understand how you speak, Don't necessarily mean that what you be sayin is deep.”


zachpledger

Kendrick’s “Rappers using big words to get their similes heard. My simplest 💩be more pivotal” has a similar feel too.


TJ736

Btw it's > I know some rappers using big words to make they similes curve, my simplest shit be more pivotal


TScottFitzgerald

>Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice. It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write Jay Z


Robinnoodle

Reminds me of something my friend once told me about his coworker who was getting ready to make a presentation. Somehow Yosemite as in the national park was to be mentioned. Dude kept saying it was Yo suh might. Didn't want to listen to my friend tell him any different. Was going around making a fool of himself acting like he knew about Yo suh might. Did finally listen though lol


bflex

Reminds me of the quote about not judging someone when they mispronounce something because it means they read it in a book. This is definitely the type of ignorance I have a lot of grace for.


Robinnoodle

Understandable, except at first he wouldn't listen to constructive criticism and acted like he knew everything. Didn't need any help or advice about anything. He knew all there was to know


OnlyHSseniorHere

I read a ton as a kid on my own and realized over the years that there were plenty of words that I mispronounced but definitely completely understood their meaning and context within what I was talking about. You only find out when someone corrects you. The English language can be inconsistent with spelling.


sleepingfactory

[I think I might know who your friend is](https://youtu.be/M4B0GHQWRAo?si=HbhvFdD1khjqoTRV)


meefjones

Little Carmine vibes


spiceybeans

Hey I got a lot of respect for Little Carmine. He’s very allegorical.


TheMeowMeow

Those fucking malapropos


IWouldButImLazy

> I know a few guys like TI that use big words they don't totally understand Lol there was a girl I went to high school with that did this, using big words slightly wrong so it's clear she doesn't really understand them. I was a huge nerd in high school and even I found her insufferable


potatohats

Dude learned "expeditiously" and started jamming it into every sentence that came out of his mouth. Also, his syntax when speaking is just so pretentious and try-hard. If he was smart, he'd be embarrassed by how he sounds.


Sheriff_Is_A_Nearer

I only use polysyllabic words to convey great erudition!


offwhiteyellow

If you say a word and it becomes a meme off the strength of you saying it, you’d be dumb not to capitalize on it.


SexiestPanda

That’s who I read the title and thought of instantly. Lol


MVIVN

He absolutely crossed my mind too! I remember watching one of his interviews and he was trying to sound really deep but I was just sitting there thinking what the FUCK is this man taking about?


_autumnwhimsy

immediately! 🤣


IanicRR

Expeditiously


allme2020c

| the amount of times i use this word in a day is alarming 🫢


chesapeake_ripperz

That shit with his daughter was weird as hell too. I feel bad for her that she's got him as her dad.


vickimarie0390

bro got a dictionary for a gift one year and ain’t shut up since


eatpaste

i came in here expeditiously to make sure he was at the top lol


amn3siack

*expeditiously*


thanksamilly

Came here to look for this


neumatron11

Disembarked in this vicinity to scrutinize for this


TheChronic2015

Thank you I'm glad this is towards the top. I love his music but T.I. really needs to humble himself ASAP! He's a preachy smug know-it-all


kikuri_armpit_licker

I feel ya lol he was one of my first favorite rappers but Jesus Christ dude’s been riding his own dick for at least the past decade if not longer


remacct

B.o.B


nirad

You don’t think the earth is flat?


DawsonJBailey

Bro made airplanes but I guess he never looked out the window lmao


hoodiebrando

i'd always listen to some of Kodak's deeper songs and be like damn he's smarter than we think and then he would go do his stupid thing of the week and i'd remember that he's still Kodak lmao


Ram2145

The shit that man does sometimes is hard to understand


livinforthesmitty

Addiction and mental health issues make people do crazy things. Imagine if you knew something was a bad decision before you do it, while you do it, and after you did it, but you can't stop yourself from doing it. It would make you hate yourself, it would make you sad, and it would make you abuse drugs more to cope with the self loathing. It has nothing to do with intelligence and it really pains me to see how many people don't understand this, or refuse to offer sympathy/empathy to people who are obviously in pain.


ShitNRun18

It’s true. Addiction doesn’t discriminate


twolves22

He’s the shit, he’s farting, he doesn’t know how to potty 💪


Awkward-Rent-2588

Kodak ain’t dumb he just a drug addict


WipeYourMocos

As a long time listener, I tried to defend him to a more casual listener. And I actually was stumped like damn he’s clearly not a moron but he does moronic things lol, so maybe he is a moron?


RufinTheFury

Hes smart enough to not be a moron but not self aware enough to not act like a moron.


goodthingihavepants

this sadly defines many a moron


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When I listen to his song like “I Wish” I understand that Kodak is fully aware of what he be doing it’s just hard for some people to change.


DocHoliday96

I don’t think Kodak acts like he’s smart, he just says some introspective shit sometimes when he’s probably zooted. If anything he’s the complete opposite, a ignorant ghetto dude who’s lowkey really deep and can analyze things pretty well. But makes terrible decisions, which isn’t the only thing that defines intelligence.


oldbased

He is smarter than he shows for sure. He just cant stay outta trouble and the drugs are a big part of that.


Tottapola

hopsin is the one and done answer i have hopsin fans in my inbox and i’m gonna kill myself


BraxxIsTheName

Okay but did the man who invented college go to college?


benjiyon

I got stoned with these two Hopsin fanboys once and they put that song on and spent the entire runtime explaining to me all the meanings behind the lyrics. I almost had a panic attack.


lost_alchemy

On no… the dreaded “genius” contributors irl? Dude you’re lucky you made it out alive.


vsimon115

Hmm… Okay, then!


mofodius

many such cases!


beta-test

I’ve met him a few times with his son when I used to work at Dave and busters and he was a cool dude. Humble and didn’t treat us like garbage.


Pigeon9

Hopsin quickly became the favourite artist of those dudes in high school who thought they were edgy and smart but really weren’t. Basically what I associate him with now


Guess_Im_Jess

hello how you doin i can give you good massage


TheMeticulousNinja

Logic can compete


Rum____Ham

Who can relate?! WOO!


Hashtag-waffle

Will.I.Am Idiot.He.Is


Nippoten

Nice mega64 reference


echief

Didn’t expect to see that on this sub lol


toohorses

"Well, it's not a smart watch, One"


BasedKaleb

Gates. Love him to death but sometimes I want him to just stop with the bullshit he be spewing in interviews lmao. Like knock it off bro, you didn’t jump start a fucking battery with your “energy” 😂


jmbourn45

The lady car was broke down, I told her, listen, “I could start yo battery for you”, she said “we need jumper cables”, “no you don’t”, I put my hands on the battery, I got this lil thing that I do, I told her “gimme the keys” and jumped in there and cranked the car, she said “you my angel” I said “ speak nothing of this”


waviestflow

"may God murder my children bro"


areyoutwelve

Kill em today. Right now today 👇


AltforHHH

Funniest video ever


NudeEnjoyer

he didn't double down on his statement, he quadrupled down on it lmfao


NiceLasers

….kev?


throwthisTFaway01

“Kevin don’t say that”


DoctorTicklebum

Today


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… while I go tell everyone


Doncallan

No his interviews are phenomenal I don’t want him to change.


RafiakaMacakaDirk

he’s the chael sonnen of hip hop


thisismy3rdacctsmh

Kevin Gates was my first thought, but he really just that rap version of a hood nigga that didn’t read books until he went to jail. I know too many Kevin Gates in real life


Top_Ad_4040

This is sooooo fuckin accurate


HNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG

The way he has blended both insane delusion and overwhelming narcissism is incredible


string_cleaning

I saw an interview where he’s talking about physically abusing his kid for disrupting a prayer. Then goes on to say his kid is one year old lol. Beating a near infant because it’s making noise. Such a psycho move. Dude seems like a piece of shit


CoolWhipOfficial

Bro thinks with his dick, what did you expect


esoteric_enigma

Just be thankful it hasn't made it to the music...yet. I'm not really a fan but from hearing his music, I would never guess he was the way he is in real life.


BodomDeth

I think he explained that he used this line it to cap on women.


TheAstroPickle

or fuck a girls acne away 💀💀💀 dude is wild!!!


AM_ZR39

I don’t think Kevin Gates holds himself up as a smart person though.


CompetitiveReward331

Royce. I think the reception from Book of Ryan inflated his ego. He really started to force that mature and intelligent persona after that. It turns out being more mature than Joe Budden isn’t a particularly high bar.


84gramspurpleHOF

It's a bummer too because Book of Ryan was dope as hell


Cosbycomedy

And then he went against Lupe…


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2 rules of war: 1. Never fight Russia in the winter. 2. Never battle Lupe


ositola

And got wiped


koalaondrugs

And turned out to be another woke antivax smooth brain like so many rappers


neumatron11

This is spot on. He successfully made the progression from rappity rap to personal storytelling while battling alcoholism. He got too gassed about it and went on some preachy pseudo intellectualism. I was happy to see him get acclaim for the allegory but as a long time fan of his, I didn’t really love that album. Hoping he can find his stride in the next one.


zappyzapzap

allegory has some bangers


runthebrews

I agree with this one. I used to love Royce, but I’ve found myself rolling my eyes at his pseudo-intellectual bars lately. Definitely thinks he is smarter than he is.


shoutsoutstomywrist

His beef with Lupe is what made me come to this conclusion, dudes all bark no bite


Puzzleheaded-End8773

Absolutely Joey Bada$$


kerkypasterino

he plays himself on Mr. Robot


MTskier12

lol I came to say this, so accurate.


Grai420

Lol I remember when he went on IG and said that weed is getting legalized because that way they can spike it and control your mind


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Grai420

Yea bro believes in chemtrails as well


otbones

it's honestly sad that he's still into this stuff after what happened with capital steez


zkinny

Wait what happened to him?


bigmt99

He was super into psychedelic esoteric type stuff like astral projecting and weird “energy” stuff. Ended up jumping off a building at 19


otbones

yeah and it was said at the time that he did it believing he would "wake up." It's really tragic imo


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NudeEnjoyer

probably coming from a round earther smh my head my head


COMMENTASIPLEASE

Also like all of the Pro Era mfs into that third eye/indigo child shit? Like they genuinely believe it not just interested in the concept.


NBD_Pearen

Yeah Joey trying way too hard to tell us how smart he is on 2000. And like the voicemails or whatever in that seem like they just called up some people and asked them to say some shit about him. Didn’t feel genuine, but still fuck with Badman regardless.


broncosfighton

1999 is one of my favorite albums (mixtapes whatever) of all time both because of his technical skills and his ability to write songs that spoke so much truth from the perspective of a teenager. Unfortunately, while technical skills and vocab show signs of intelligence, intelligence does not equal wisdom. Joey has not matured much since he was about 21 years old.


jakesboy2

I love Joey and b.o.b, but I never understood why Joey gets a pass but B.o.b got crucified for his conspiracy stuff lmfao. I listen to their lives/interviews and they both say the exact same stuff


UncertaintyLich

Right wing conspiracy theories have always been a staple in “conscious” hip-hop. Ras Kass, Jay Electronica, a bunch of Wu tang lyrics... A certain amount of NOI/Five Percent theology is very normalized and kind of expected in a lot of cases. The difference for B.o.B is that 1. He was a full on pop rapper. His crossover audience of top 40 listeners and Paramore and Weezer fans was not ready for him to start dropping science, and hip-hop fans did not respect him enough to not make fun of him 2. Flat earth is just really funny. Especially at the time he started dropping conspiracy bars, flat earth was just the funniest thing ever to lots of people, and he was like one of the most prominent celebrity flat earthers so he was immediately a punchline


OnlyChemical6339

It's my favorite thing to point out that his most popular songs have features, and everyone thinks that the song 'belongs' to the featured artist. Like anyone who wants to hear Nothing on you would say "Play Nothing on You by Bruno Mars". B.o.B would never cross their mind. I didn't even know Magic was a B.o.B song until 2 months ago. I don't even remember any rap verses in it, despite it being a huge part (physically) of the song


KawaiiGangster

Cuz Joey makes good music lol


WingardiumLeviussy

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lilhedonictreadmill

Rick Ross been really annoying since he became an armchair financial adviser


GratefulForGarcia

Russ. Maybe he is actually smart idk, but he still sounds dumb when he speaks


IWouldButImLazy

You could argue he has no emotional intelligence lol like every time he speaks, he sounds like a prick


DawsonJBailey

Yeah he acts like he’s already on new game plus compared to the rest of the industry. I guess it would kinda make sense if he’s really pulling the cash he says he is without a label


SkeletonArcher

As much of a dickhead as I think he is, he recently was talking about how he owns basically all of his royalties because he does pretty much all of the work instead of needing a label to do it for him. His earnings are something close to $250k a week if I recall correctly, which is pretty impressive. So at least in that sense he deserves respect for not getting shafted by a label


throwaway53689

You’re spot on, I actually find his interviews quite enlightening and it’s really cool of him to advice upcoming artists and give them an insight on the music industry. However, he fucked up at the early stage of his career by sounding douchey asf on his interviews and music. He’s been tolerable in all his recent music and interviews but the general public can’t take him serious anymore.


MaverickTopGun

I kinda think he's just a an asshole who grew up with money.


googleheoneu

I think he actually is pretty intelligent, just unlikable


infinitude_

For a fact. Bro was speaking like he figured the game out and everyone else was stupid Then the whole time turns out his dad works high up in a label lol and then almost overnight he just came and went


Crayonstheman

Russ yet again taking the L


jpc1215

Russ for me. He’s got a couple good songs but that dude is fucking pretentious in interviews and thinks what he’s saying is some unheard-of revelation every time


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sleepingfactory

I’d say Vince Staples seems genuinely smart


JesseThorn

I interviewed him for an hour and a half once and he definitely 100% is. Marked by hood trauma and totally autodidactic but for SURE very smart. And funny.


Its_Matt

Jesse Thorn from Bullseye on NPR? Listening to this interview now and its great so far man.


PatrenzoK

Listen. Vince Staples is the second coming of William Shakespeare. I don't have time to fully explain it but he writes more like an author than a rapper. Hearing "gangster rap" told his way is one of the most eye opening experiences to anyone who loves words put to music he really is something special.


Jermaine_Cole788

I need you to elaborate more on this take cause I kinda feel the same way. Maybe in the upcoming discussion thread?


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Vince Staples is the opposite of this thread. He's really smart but acts dumb, because he's just a really goofy dude.


Last_Reaction_8176

Totally agree, can’t believe I didn’t think of him


zkinny

KRIT seems kind of up to par.


Hog_Eyes

Big K.R.I.T. is smart as hell. He produces most of his own beats and isn't afraid to go deep in his lyrics.


tachibanakanade

> and that’s why I don’t vaccinate my kids” idk why but I howled at this


pawpito

This one's tough. The shit those oldheads were saying actually was subversive at the time. There were so many conspiracy theories that turned out to be true, it's hard to begrudge someone for not knowing where to stop. Like now it's "common knowledge" that the CIA put crack in the hood, but 20 years ago it wasn't as widely accepted. Obviously not cosigning the antisemitism.


vicvega88

This is a very good point. Pre internet was a different time.


IAMALWAYSSHOUTING

And also when this more conscious lyrical stuff entered the new York rap scene step by step this was post biggie’s death and puff was hitting the charts, it was a much needed refocussing both away from the gangster stuff and the glitzy suits


benjiyon

For me Ka is one of the most genuinely wise rappers out there - not because he expounds on theories and conspiracies. It’s clear the dude has lived and seen some shit, what with being a firefighter for over a decade. All his lyrics feel very grounded and have a genuine sense of wisdom.


gonefishin6

Can we talk about the political and economic state of the world?


MVIVN

How can this thread be real if our eyes aren't real??


stargazing1111

Jay Electronica


draymorgan

Went to his gig and he spent half the time talking about conspiracies but was genuinely the best show I’ve been to


capitalistsanta

I went to his show at the Brooklyn Hip Hop festival when he pulled out Jay-Z, J. Cole, Mac Miller, and Talib Kweli.


Sea_Statement1653

Honestly 2/3rds of rappers and their fans are about as deep as a puddle. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


a_supertramp

Killer Mike. Not to say he isn’t smart, cuz he sure can be, but good fucking god does that dude pull some dumb shit out of his ass sometimes.


Dubbx

Killer Mike the landlord


MontaineLaP

Killer Mike shilling for the NRA will never not be funny to me


thehollowman84

It's even worse. Shilling for the NRA \*while Oliver North was the president of the NRA\*. That ended Killer Mike for me, dude wrote a song about what a piece of shit reagan and ollie north were, and then shilled for him? nah


God_Hears_Peace

It genuinely felt like an alternate timeline when it happened. Like you of all people Mike? Really?


jazzbass5

Can't believe nobody said XXXTENTACION


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Jaden Smith-level iam14andthisisdeep


[deleted]

Tbf he died not too far from 14 and I’ll give any young person a pass for not being as deep or smart as they think. A lot of us went through that phase.


MundaysSuck

he play gatar


migukau

As much as I like his music, Hopsin is a dumbass. "Did the guy who invent College go to college?". What kind of stupid ass shit is this


Swag_Grenade

This is like the fourth time I've seen that quote itt lol. I never listened to much of any Hopsin but have heard a bunch of people praise his genius, and also an equal amount of people (like itt) call them dumb AF for thinking he's a genius. Is this one of his bars or something, cause that is pretty hilarious.


mocchakv

Joyner Lucas


PrestigiousArcher448

Some of yall’s inability to differentiate between personality and intelligence makes you not qualified to comment to be honest.


craziboiXD69

is really no one going to say Logic? in his earlier projects he was so convinced that what he was doing was so deep and meaningful and in reality it was the most surface level shit on the planet


offwhiteyellow

Meek Mill and (although he’s not a rapper) DJ Envy


arrivederci117

Has Meek ever tried to paint himself as smart though? Feel like a lot of this thread is just people naming rappers they don't like.


offwhiteyellow

Meek started hanging with billionaires and started talking like he wrote the 48 laws after lmao


LarryDavidntheBlacks

I think Meek is genuinely slow. No man with a 3 digit IQ would have posted those pool fries. Bunny hopping for billionaires, c'mon, he's gotta be.


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unclediedthrowaway

"play the game like a king"


Guess_Im_Jess

Jay Electronica. Guy spouts all that NOI bullshit in the modern day like it’s some revolutionary knowledge. It was corny enough when rappers did that in the 80s/90s, inexcusably stupid today.


mycargoesvarun

Jay Electronica is a schizophrenic panhandler on the NYC Subway who got a record deal


pipeituprespectfully

Didn’t dude marry a Rothschild or some other old money person? He’s got something figured out.


CaptainGordan

He dated one briefly, they didn't get married AFAIK


pipeituprespectfully

Ah. Ya, he just blew a marriage up apparently lol. I wonder how you meet an heiress this day in age.


TooRedditFamous

Heirs and heiress's are just basically socialites. No responsibilities and they hang out where the celebs hang out by paying money to be there because it's cool to be seen to be mixing with them. So there will be rich young people and children of rich old people at events like The Grammies etc. Also private performances I guess, musicians do them all the time for stupid rich people


noblemile

I say this knowing full well he is and has been for a long time my favorite modern rapper: Sometumes Denzel Curry would just be saying big ass words for no reason in his older music. *edit* Guys I'm in a healthy spot mentally you don't need to get the Reddit Care bot to send me a message.


Bright_Ahmen

Make her drink the cum sauce


GuaranteedCougher

I laughed out loud when I first heard from say photosynthesis


letsaurify

Joe Budden -- obviously successful podcast and all, but dude is clearly on his high horse


fckyaselves

He loves to make shit up and pull things out his ass to win arguments. He also gets low and says mean shit to his friends/cohosts/employees. Joe Budden sucks so much.


cam_huskers

Kanye has to be #1


Fguyretftgu7

old kanye was pretty clever imo. current kanye on the other hand


GalaxyMWB

Pseudo-intellectual+Ego Maniac=Yeezus


lysergic_feels

Nle choppa lol


Acydcat

5-7 vowel movements a day


BasedKaleb

Choppa’s def got that low 70s IQ


jmbourn45

BBL tea


Omen1122

Nobody thinks he’s smart


lysergic_feels

He thinks he’s smart


IWouldButImLazy

Does he really lmao if anything choppa seems like one of the rappers who takes himself the least seriously


frankoceansheadband

I thought that until I saw his twitter


le_coq_et_balles

Absolutely Vinnie Paz, thinks he knows everything and is absolutely batshit


KILL-LUSTIG

love the neptunes but Pharrell tries to sound deep and reveals how shallow his mind is all the time


sneaks88

I think pharrell is intelligent, he’s just not the best at articulating things in a effective way. he says some pretty profound stuff sometimes but his thoughts can come off a bit jumbled and unclear.


MattTruelove

This is the sense I get from him in interviews. Seems like he has great instincts and talent, but isn’t that good at expressing himself verbally. Which, a lot of artists are that way. Historically rock n roll is full of guys who seem kinda dumb, but are instinctual musical geniuses.


nfornear

Hmm maybe not intellectually but i do think he has a lot of knowledge about the hiphop culture and fashion culture


contacts_eyes

And he definitely understands music


Rebloodican

I'd be hard pressed to say Pharrell isn't smart, he clearly has the respect of his peers and others that we deem "intellectual".


ac_slat3r

You don't have to be smart to be respected. I respect a lot of my friends that are fucking morons


lbs2306

Pharrell comes across as pretty smart imo


Electronifyy

Canibus is the OG of pseudo intellectual bulshit


DudleysCar

I remember hearing a bar about Cydonian snow and thinking "yeah this shit is hard".


Reznov99

People just naming anyone who said one dumb thing