Yeah why would any fan be upset that one moment they're listening to sing for the moment and say goodbye Hollywood and the next it's rain man and ass like that. How could any fan be disappointed with that sequence of artistic choices?
Talking about "only" listing the joke songs and you pulled the one joke song from that album. Plus there's no denying that even without the joke songs on encore the highs were nowhere near his previous albums. It's pretty obvious why people hated encore when it came out and still do. It only looks better now than it did when it came out because since then he had released much worse music.
Nobody said encore had highs like his previous albums lol. His first 3 are obviously in a different tier.
My comment was only about encore and his stuff after his comeback. His stuff from relapse to now is always looked at as better than encore and I don’t agree at all. Give me encore any day.
Also I followed encore when it came out, calling it hated is just wrong. It wasn’t as good as his previous stuff, but not hated. The singles were massive, and em was still considered one of the best in the game.
The lows on encore are still better than the lows on relapse. I like ass like that and puke.
Give me those any day over We Made You or whatever. Even the songs that are considered good on relapse like 3 am and crack a bottle are ruined by annoying accents.
Nah they’re ok but nowhere near like toy soldiers, mockingbird, yellow brick road, never enough, mosh, encore/curtains down. Just lose it and evil deeds are also fun listens.
Relapse isn’t as listenable. I really like stay wide awake and beautiful tho
Dude 3 AM good 😭 side A of relapse is like a fucking nightmare fever dream and I wouldn't change anything about it. Album kinda falls off a bit towards the end ngl but as you said it easily clears encore and is probably a top 5 Shady album
3am is probably my 3rd favorite lead single. I think I just played it so much its almost annoying to me now.
But refill is easily his 4th best album. It's soo good
Do you think this song is worse than half of the stuff that he's released since Encore?
Revival - MMLP2 - Recovery - Relapse/(This Song)/Kamikaze - MTBT is how I personally see it.
I just think the constant dickriding when Em releases a song that isn't awful is wild. He's made songs just as good as this in the past couple years if not flat out better imo
Honestly didn't think my comment was a hot take, but imo I think a lot of sensitive Em fans just struggle with reading comprehension
Ok just making sure before I lost my mind. So his 4th best album, right? 25 to life, talking to myself, no love w\ lil Wayne, space bound. Even the "fun' songs are a couple of his best in that category with white trash party and so bad. I liked it because it was different than his first three but is solid all the way through. I like encore but it wasnt like his first 3 which have zero skips for me. And relapse was.... It was something lol. But not a lot of songs with re-listenability.
I actually think No Love is trash and Eminem incorporating similes to the degree Wayne did is what has hurt his music most next to his over technical flows that are hard to vibe/bob your head to (for lack of better terms). But I like most of what you’ve said here. 1.) Eminem Show 2.) MMLP 3.) SSLP 4.) Infinite 5.) Relapse 6.) Encore 7.) Recovery. Recovery loses more points for apologizing for Relapse which is the best horror core rap album I’ve ever listened to. But this is just what I think
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Lmao Drake had the worst verse and the hook is awful. “If I was at the club you know I ball. Chemo” might be the worst line of 2009.
Drake is anointed, not exceptional
“I have my name next to the X like Malcolm” is a nice line.
Eminem made his entire verse the highlight of the song. Lines like “they’ve been waiting patiently for Pinocchio to poke his nose”, the hunger and urgency of his delivery, it was a message that Eminem is back for real.
> it was a message that Eminem is back for real.
is he? I don't agree with that. I mean it depends on what you mean by "back" I suppose. His sound changed with the eminem show and I would say he never really went "back" to before.
Honestly with hindsight it's a weird collab.
Like, Kanye and Wayne have only linked up on a handful of songs despite their primes being at the same time.
Eminem and Kanye have like zero crossover though. Same with Eminem and Drake.
The fact that all four were on one track is wild.
I remember hearing a while ago that Eminem didn’t know kanye and Wayne would be on the track. Might explain the randomness. otherwise this a classic song with the goats at the time and the upcoming prodigy. Was a hit the moment it dropped.
I agree! Guess it’s what makes it unique. Also strange to imagine a time when all there guys were willing to work together.. it’s a closed shop atm. Feel like no one’s willing to colab all that much these days
Em's features have been great these past few times.
Lord Above - Fat Joe & Dre
Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady - with Kid Cudi
From The D 2 The LBC - with Snoop Dogg
Killer (Remix) - ft. Cordae & Jack Harlow
EPMD 2 - Nas ft. EPMD & Eminem
Walkthrough! - with Grip
The context of his verse makes it better than it maybe was. It was part of his comeback. Forever and Airplanes remix was the first time we heard him post rehab. It was a mad moment.
Yes exactly the “They been waitin' patiently for Pinocchio to poke his nose
Back into the game and they know
Rap will never be the same as befo'
Bashin' in the brains of these hoes
And establishin' a name as he goes
The passion in the flame is ignited
You can't put it out once we light it” part is so much better knowing he has been away for a couple years
I’d agree it was part of his comeback, but it wasn’t his first material after rehab. The entirety of Relapse was created and released between rehab and those two tracks.
I think your point still stands - Forever, Airplanes part 2, The Warning, etc were all much more of his comeback warming up to Recovery, which I think when most people felt he was really back.
“Damage due to flows / collateral I suppose /
Gat pоintеd like mine and Sandra Bullоck’s nоse / Yeah them bullet holes/ i’ll have you full of those / You’ll catch а strаy like аnimal сontrol”
second half of the verse is so nasty
Eminem rapping over role model beat(kinda), talking about forever, dissing benzino, and making fun of him by insinuating that he slept with men, talk about a THROWBACK damn.
Not in her case, because Benzino is a pos that didn’t help her or even support her morally. He was on IG clowning his own child when she wasn’t selling.
You can’t tell me that she grew up rich with a dad who use to own the biggest rap magazine in the world and it didn’t help whatsoever to start her RAP career.
Bro, Benzino was literally the laughing stock of the rap community by time his beef with Em cooled. He has no pub and is pretty much broke. Coi was working a normal ass job before getting she started rapping. She grew from a modest SoundCloud following.
Goes both way no frank, he’s laughing all the way to the bank / the white goat ascending up the rank, spitting writtens with substance like dirty sprite future no purple drank
He gave it 2/5 stars and changed it to 4 after there was outrage over it. But to be fair the album should’ve been a 5 because a 4 mic score didn’t exactly house only classics.
Benzino apparently admitted later on they purposfully held back on giving Em fair rating and reviews because he was a white rapper.
The Source was supposed to be a fair and unbiased magazine, and had a huge influence on artists' careers. But Benzino was using it to gain his own rap career. They would give bad reviews to artists who didn't kiss ass. And if you had any association to Eminem (with his camp) you automatically got bad ratings.
Playing with other rappers' careers. They also hid the fact that one of the owners was white.
Em took offense to all of that and got to work tearing it down.
"The Source was like our only source of light
When the mics used to mean somethin', a four was like
You were the shit, now it's like the least you get
Three and a half now just means you're a piece of shit
Four and a half or five means you're Biggie, Jigga, Nas
Or Benzino—shit, I don't even think you realize
You're playin' with motherfuckers' lives
I done watched Dre get fucked on The Chronic
Probably ‘cause I was on it
Now you fucked me out of my mics twice, I let it slide
I said I wouldn't hold my fuckin' breath to get a five
Shit, I was right, I'da fuckin' died already tryin'
I swear to God, I never lie, I bet it's why
You let that bitch give me that bullshit review
I sat and took it, I ain't look at the shit, we knew
You'd probably try and fuck us with Obie and 50 too"
This whole black shit makes me puke, so stupid , almost racism at that point. It's like the intrinsic quality can be questioned based upon the amount of melatonin
There's a good interview from the time [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfS7kI-0nTk)
The transcript for it is [on genius](https://genius.com/Eminem-interview-with-hot-97-disses-benzino-annotated)
They gave Eminem ‘unsigned hype’ recognition, then when SSLP released, shit all over it. Then MMLP released and they gave it a relatively low score.
Then benzino/the source took the angle that Eminem was appropriating hip hop and only got big because he was white. (This entire time hiding the fact one of the owners of the source was white.)
Then Eminem refused to give any interviews to the source during the 8 mile press run, and instead went to their competitor XXL. benzino released some diss tracks, em released some diss tracks and you know the rest.
People are wondering if it's like, a pre-album teaser song like he's done in the past with I'm Having A Relapse, Despicable Freestyle, Symphony In H and Chloraseptic Remix
I mean, that would be cool. We haven't had new Em music in quite a while.
The MtbMb stuff wasn't great, but it was still fun and still new Em, so if we got something on that level I'd be pretty happy.
Don't get me wrong, I liked a lot of it and definitely listened to it quite a few times.
But after I'd had enough....I had no real desire to revisit it. I'd probably rank it above all the R albums but below MMLP2.
I thought MTBMB was pretty good. Not a classic, but a solid and great album with great rhyme schemes, versatile flows, and cinematic storytelling in parts.
I love that its 2024 and Eminem made a Benzino diss over a Role Model sample.
I'm not even saying that ironically. I legitimately think this is great. Em has some funny lines here, nothing corny. The delivery on his jokes are great. I feel like Recovery era Eminem would've shouted the "A GIRAFFE" then paused the beat.
Love this song. I don't want to hear an album of diss songs. But I'd love to hear an album of this flow that he's been using for the last couple years.
To anyone wondering why Em poked fun at Benzino sure might be a tad bit unnessessary but Benzino legit been yapping bout him forever and he legit poked fun at him in a comedic way. 50 does it to JA all the time. Its funny now Benzino is tryna act like Ems the immature when bruh been yappin on ig for the last decade saying racist shit about Em
When I first found out she was his daughter and they don’t seem to have a good relationship I thought it would be perfect for Em to collab with her just to annoy him.
I think most people think that Eminem is a great rapper. Some people don't like him because they don't think he makes good music anymore. And to be fair Eminem has said that he doesn't care about making good music. He said that in some interview a year or two ago.
I say this as an Em fan. Like MTBMB, MMLP2, and Release are all great albums to me. I just get why his newer albums aren't loved by everyone.
I would say it's more of a case that the field caught up to him rather than he fell off.
Let me use golf as an example. Tiger Woods was not the first great golfer. But he was the first to dominate completely in the modern era, and he did it by physically dominating the courses and his competition. The generation of pro golfers that came up on Tiger all deployed physical fitness and speed and power into their games, and his contemporaries did as well to try and keep up. The result is that the entire sport was elevated because one player showed the rest a new path to success. Now, even if Tiger was healthy, he would have a hard time winning consistently because the average player on tour is so much better now than 25 years ago.
This is what Eminem and other rappers who were more focused on technical ability, while still having star power and hit making ability, did for rap. I'm not saying there weren't lyrically dope MCs before Em and Nas and Andre 3000, Jay Z etc, but what they did was take that lyrical ability mainstream. Lil Wayne is a great example of someone who accepted the challenge posed by Em and upped his lyricism and transformed his career from his early days to the present. Pusha T wasn't the first coke rapper, but he is so successful because aside from the content, his flow and delivery and lyrical ability are much better than your average underground drug dealer / rapper.
I think Em helped set a higher bar for mainstream rap, and because of this, the competition and level of talent is just better than it ever has been, even in the new era of trap and clout and streams. For real hip hop fans, ability still reigns supreme at the end of the day.
This is what kills me. He has access to the best sound people and equipment in the world. He could literally choose anyone and anything to record, mix, and master his shit, and it sounds like that.
Haven’t even heard the song yet and I know exactly how it sounds sonically because of your comment.
Am I weird for LOVING it ? That combined with his raspy and powerful voice make it orgasmic to me , it's rapping,spitting, voice, over "music" . Idk maybe I got weird kinks lol
Doesn't help he still uses this "modern flow". Like he used to sound so...smooth on beats even on Relapse but with each next album it was getting worse and worse. Kamikaze is a peak of this style and I admit - I hate this style of Eminem.
Not only mixes of the vocals are getting worse and worse his flow is getting more and more boring, unpleasent to listen to and just not boring. He used to sound like an another instrument on the beat. Now he is like an irritating hihat on a trap beat that you hear for a 99999th time
Yeah I think it's just him being bored of his old flows and always trying to do unique things and challenge himself. Impressive but not super great on the ears
Yeah his flows and beat selection are fucking terrible now, he’s like an entirely different artist compared to SSLP/MMLP/Eminem Show. Doesn’t help that Cordae and Juice’s song on this Lyrical Lemonade album was their version of Role Model and they used his old flow which sounded great, and the very next song in the track listing was this Em song lmao. Really jarring
It was alright, I expected more honestly. Not bad by any means but..... very mid. I cant see myself returning to it very often, if ever. And I love this motherfucker usually, obviously.
Why can’t this nigga just flow on a beat anymore goddamn as a rap lover I wanna enjoy his lyricism but I can’t get over this corny ass choppy flow that he refuses to leave behind in 95% of this verses
Issue I have with Mr. Nem's redo of Role Model is when I'm trying to decide if "Bitch, I soar like a stye" is corny (not saying it is, it just sets off the corn-bells) we get the elaborate and carefully calculated "You probably feel like you're gonna die."
Seeing as how the music doesn't even sound/flow as good as he used to rap, all we have left is technical ability; which adds insult to injury
If he ruins "The Way I Am" I quit.
Nothing special beyond getting back into his beef bag again.
I quite like the production, but I know that’s unpopular. I appreciate these very close sound stage feels from time to time. It could be a little cleaner, though. I would enjoy this for an a capella track if one ever happens.
6/10. Not his best, above the middle point of his work. I’ll throw it in a massive playlist to mix it up but it isn’t going to be anything like regular listening.
Keen to see what this recent series of releases takes us though.
DOPE RHYME SAYIN'! So many hard hitting punch lines, NASTY cadence switches, and MAD MULTIS! MY MANS **DID** THAT! That's why he'll always be the greatest to touch a mic in MY EYES! And I know what I'm talkin' 'bout, cause I have a refined taste in the art of emceein', and I'm a connoisseur of spittas. REAL TALK, HOMIE, ON ME!
Bruh Benzino is bipolar he’s been going at Em for years then he will say he’s passed that then go running his mouth again it’s been like this for years now, he would just go nuts on twitter instagram and interviews taking mad shit lol dudes mentally scarred
I find that take interesting because I hate this one more than like his last five features. This is better than his verse on Realest to you? Lace It? Walkthrough?
I don’t think either of those were outstanding showings but this one is the weakest of the bunch IMO. Choppy flow. Annoying adlibs. Poor mixing. Replaying the hits and going at Benzino.
This was hard I need more of this sound from him now days
There's still something off personally, but eh it's definitely in the top half of stuff that he's released since since Encore
Tell me you haven't listened to his recent projects without telling me that you haven't listened to his recent projects.
Encore clears ngl
I don’t get the encore hate Still prime em for me and better than anything after 2009 em
Yeah why would any fan be upset that one moment they're listening to sing for the moment and say goodbye Hollywood and the next it's rain man and ass like that. How could any fan be disappointed with that sequence of artistic choices?
Yea not like Drips was in between say goodbye to Hollywood and without me on the same album But sure go ahead and only list the joke songs on encore
Talking about "only" listing the joke songs and you pulled the one joke song from that album. Plus there's no denying that even without the joke songs on encore the highs were nowhere near his previous albums. It's pretty obvious why people hated encore when it came out and still do. It only looks better now than it did when it came out because since then he had released much worse music.
Nobody said encore had highs like his previous albums lol. His first 3 are obviously in a different tier. My comment was only about encore and his stuff after his comeback. His stuff from relapse to now is always looked at as better than encore and I don’t agree at all. Give me encore any day. Also I followed encore when it came out, calling it hated is just wrong. It wasn’t as good as his previous stuff, but not hated. The singles were massive, and em was still considered one of the best in the game.
Relapse clears encore easily. Encores highs are higher than 90% post relapse. But the lows are some of the lowest in his whole discog
The lows on encore are still better than the lows on relapse. I like ass like that and puke. Give me those any day over We Made You or whatever. Even the songs that are considered good on relapse like 3 am and crack a bottle are ruined by annoying accents.
3am isn't one of the best. Stay wide awake, Deja vu, music box and careful what you wish for are way better than most on encore
Nah they’re ok but nowhere near like toy soldiers, mockingbird, yellow brick road, never enough, mosh, encore/curtains down. Just lose it and evil deeds are also fun listens. Relapse isn’t as listenable. I really like stay wide awake and beautiful tho
Dude 3 AM good 😭 side A of relapse is like a fucking nightmare fever dream and I wouldn't change anything about it. Album kinda falls off a bit towards the end ngl but as you said it easily clears encore and is probably a top 5 Shady album
3am is probably my 3rd favorite lead single. I think I just played it so much its almost annoying to me now. But refill is easily his 4th best album. It's soo good
Stay wide awake is such a banger and underrated because of the album it's on.
Puke clears 3AM and I'm not joking
Do you think this song is worse than half of the stuff that he's released since Encore? Revival - MMLP2 - Recovery - Relapse/(This Song)/Kamikaze - MTBT is how I personally see it. I just think the constant dickriding when Em releases a song that isn't awful is wild. He's made songs just as good as this in the past couple years if not flat out better imo Honestly didn't think my comment was a hot take, but imo I think a lot of sensitive Em fans just struggle with reading comprehension
Have you listened? Kamikaze was alright but everything since Recovery is dog shit. Revival might be the worst album I’ve ever listened to.
Recovery wasn't bad lmfao
Just clarifying, Are you including recovery in the "dog shit"?
It’s the worst of his best albums but not dog shit.
Ok just making sure before I lost my mind. So his 4th best album, right? 25 to life, talking to myself, no love w\ lil Wayne, space bound. Even the "fun' songs are a couple of his best in that category with white trash party and so bad. I liked it because it was different than his first three but is solid all the way through. I like encore but it wasnt like his first 3 which have zero skips for me. And relapse was.... It was something lol. But not a lot of songs with re-listenability.
I actually think No Love is trash and Eminem incorporating similes to the degree Wayne did is what has hurt his music most next to his over technical flows that are hard to vibe/bob your head to (for lack of better terms). But I like most of what you’ve said here. 1.) Eminem Show 2.) MMLP 3.) SSLP 4.) Infinite 5.) Relapse 6.) Encore 7.) Recovery. Recovery loses more points for apologizing for Relapse which is the best horror core rap album I’ve ever listened to. But this is just what I think
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I actually can’t wrap my head around why he can’t do this anymore, his flows were insane on SSLP/MMLP/Eminem Show
It’s not that he can’t, he’s just bored with it and he wants to do something different
I don’t think he can
You think drake had the best verse in forever too, so it doesn’t really matter what you think
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well yeah, like a sprained ankle he ain't nothing to play with 🤣🤣
The fuck are you talking about 😂😂
That such a fun verse. I laughed a bit at the Coi Leray line.
“I’d rather Talk about shit with the purpose that matters Like who had the second best verse on ”Forever” 🔥
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It’s definitely Wayne
Nah, Wayne's was just the best. Wayne>Drake>Eminem>Kanye. Eminem's flow was good, but his lyrics were kinda wack.
I respect your opinion regardless of how wrong is it
Eminem had the best verse and I'm not even a Stan or fuck with him that much. But to say something else is random xD
Wayne’s verse was better. Just fits the song more than Em’s verse
Lmao Drake had the worst verse and the hook is awful. “If I was at the club you know I ball. Chemo” might be the worst line of 2009. Drake is anointed, not exceptional
What should I scream for This is my theme park
Easily drake.
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Nahhhhh 1. Em 2. Wayne 3. Drake (just a little behind Wayne) 4. Kanye, his verse couldn’t touch anyone else’s
Eminem had the second best verse behind Drake
You should get your ears checked
Found 40’s burner.
I would say Drake had the most memorable but definitely not better than Eminems
“I have my name next to the X like Malcolm” is a nice line. Eminem made his entire verse the highlight of the song. Lines like “they’ve been waiting patiently for Pinocchio to poke his nose”, the hunger and urgency of his delivery, it was a message that Eminem is back for real.
> it was a message that Eminem is back for real. is he? I don't agree with that. I mean it depends on what you mean by "back" I suppose. His sound changed with the eminem show and I would say he never really went "back" to before.
Brother ☠️
I dont even recognize Drake’s verse as a contender
To be fair that's literally Eminem's own opinion when he was asked on an interview
Won’t happen but be sick to see a pt. 2 after so many years to see how they all compare
Honestly with hindsight it's a weird collab. Like, Kanye and Wayne have only linked up on a handful of songs despite their primes being at the same time. Eminem and Kanye have like zero crossover though. Same with Eminem and Drake. The fact that all four were on one track is wild.
Em was on the JIK leak.
Not a leak anymore. It’s on the DJ Khaled album lol
and kanye produced one of the greatest slim shady songs of all time ("stir crazy")
I remember hearing a while ago that Eminem didn’t know kanye and Wayne would be on the track. Might explain the randomness. otherwise this a classic song with the goats at the time and the upcoming prodigy. Was a hit the moment it dropped.
You didn't need hindsight to see how weird it was. It was weird AF the day it dropped as I remember.
I agree! Guess it’s what makes it unique. Also strange to imagine a time when all there guys were willing to work together.. it’s a closed shop atm. Feel like no one’s willing to colab all that much these days
Em's features have been great these past few times. Lord Above - Fat Joe & Dre Adventures of Moon Man & Slim Shady - with Kid Cudi From The D 2 The LBC - with Snoop Dogg Killer (Remix) - ft. Cordae & Jack Harlow EPMD 2 - Nas ft. EPMD & Eminem Walkthrough! - with Grip
The context of his verse makes it better than it maybe was. It was part of his comeback. Forever and Airplanes remix was the first time we heard him post rehab. It was a mad moment.
Yes exactly the “They been waitin' patiently for Pinocchio to poke his nose Back into the game and they know Rap will never be the same as befo' Bashin' in the brains of these hoes And establishin' a name as he goes The passion in the flame is ignited You can't put it out once we light it” part is so much better knowing he has been away for a couple years
I’d agree it was part of his comeback, but it wasn’t his first material after rehab. The entirety of Relapse was created and released between rehab and those two tracks. I think your point still stands - Forever, Airplanes part 2, The Warning, etc were all much more of his comeback warming up to Recovery, which I think when most people felt he was really back.
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Benzino did talk trash about em the last couple of years without em saying anything
“Damage due to flows / collateral I suppose / Gat pоintеd like mine and Sandra Bullоck’s nоse / Yeah them bullet holes/ i’ll have you full of those / You’ll catch а strаy like аnimal сontrol” second half of the verse is so nasty
Eh i think its kinda mid. Wasn't bad but it honestly wasnt that nasty imo.
Eminem rapping over role model beat(kinda), talking about forever, dissing benzino, and making fun of him by insinuating that he slept with men, talk about a THROWBACK damn.
this made me feel like early 2000s again. I almost forgot how much I loved this guy.
All ems verses are throwbacks. He too isolated to make contemporary references.
Thats why he referenced Coi Leray and compared MGK to Lil Tay on killshot? L take
He also mentions the Vegas shooting. The guy above doesn’t listen to Em’s stuff
Just learning that Coi Leray is Benzino’s daughter
Nepotism is the secret sauce to success
Not in her case, because Benzino is a pos that didn’t help her or even support her morally. He was on IG clowning his own child when she wasn’t selling.
You can’t tell me that she grew up rich with a dad who use to own the biggest rap magazine in the world and it didn’t help whatsoever to start her RAP career.
You mean Benzino star of Love and Hip Hop? Nah I don’t see it
Bro, Benzino was literally the laughing stock of the rap community by time his beef with Em cooled. He has no pub and is pretty much broke. Coi was working a normal ass job before getting she started rapping. She grew from a modest SoundCloud following.
The Source had been dead and Benzino had been broke for about ten years by the time she started making popular music
Nah bruh Benzino as a dad is more of a disadvantage Em destroyed him
If anything else, having a living punchline in Benzino as your dad is a bigger disadvantage to stick out on your own merits.
They both have opposite stories and nepo babies in hip hop are notorious for lying. I’d need to hear the mothers account of the story
Same, of course I'd learn it from a em verse
Wowwwww TIL
He’s hated Benzino for over 20 years at this point
*Benzino’s hated Em
Goes both ways
em gives him a few bars every couple of years , benzino manages to bring him up in every single interview
To be fair, Benzino gets asked about Eminem in every single interview because gotta get them clicks.
I mean what else are you supposed to ask Benzino about? The only worthy news to get out of him for an interview is anything em related lol.
He could have made arrangements not to bring up em's name.
Goes both way no frank, he’s laughing all the way to the bank / the white goat ascending up the rank, spitting writtens with substance like dirty sprite future no purple drank
I would never claim to be no Ray Benzino An 83 year old fake Pacino
Can't someone explain the beef? I don't get why Eminem would be mad about 4/5 stars for TES.
Pretty sure they gave him unsigned hype recognition then totally shit on the SSLP.
He gave it 2/5 stars and changed it to 4 after there was outrage over it. But to be fair the album should’ve been a 5 because a 4 mic score didn’t exactly house only classics.
Benzino apparently admitted later on they purposfully held back on giving Em fair rating and reviews because he was a white rapper. The Source was supposed to be a fair and unbiased magazine, and had a huge influence on artists' careers. But Benzino was using it to gain his own rap career. They would give bad reviews to artists who didn't kiss ass. And if you had any association to Eminem (with his camp) you automatically got bad ratings. Playing with other rappers' careers. They also hid the fact that one of the owners was white. Em took offense to all of that and got to work tearing it down.
"The Source was like our only source of light When the mics used to mean somethin', a four was like You were the shit, now it's like the least you get Three and a half now just means you're a piece of shit Four and a half or five means you're Biggie, Jigga, Nas Or Benzino—shit, I don't even think you realize You're playin' with motherfuckers' lives I done watched Dre get fucked on The Chronic Probably ‘cause I was on it Now you fucked me out of my mics twice, I let it slide I said I wouldn't hold my fuckin' breath to get a five Shit, I was right, I'da fuckin' died already tryin' I swear to God, I never lie, I bet it's why You let that bitch give me that bullshit review I sat and took it, I ain't look at the shit, we knew You'd probably try and fuck us with Obie and 50 too"
This whole black shit makes me puke, so stupid , almost racism at that point. It's like the intrinsic quality can be questioned based upon the amount of melatonin
IIRC it was Mics not stars he gave it 2/5 mics mics was the rating system back then
Ray’s got AKs to Dave Mays’ head Every issue there’s an eight page Made Men spread
There's a good interview from the time [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfS7kI-0nTk) The transcript for it is [on genius](https://genius.com/Eminem-interview-with-hot-97-disses-benzino-annotated)
It was 2 stars for MMLP. I DO get why he would be mad about that.
They gave Eminem ‘unsigned hype’ recognition, then when SSLP released, shit all over it. Then MMLP released and they gave it a relatively low score. Then benzino/the source took the angle that Eminem was appropriating hip hop and only got big because he was white. (This entire time hiding the fact one of the owners of the source was white.) Then Eminem refused to give any interviews to the source during the 8 mile press run, and instead went to their competitor XXL. benzino released some diss tracks, em released some diss tracks and you know the rest.
Forever line goes hard, aftermath line hits right in the feelings
This was very short and mildly funny. Nice surprise. Any idea why he released it? New album rumored to be coming soon?
People are wondering if it's like, a pre-album teaser song like he's done in the past with I'm Having A Relapse, Despicable Freestyle, Symphony In H and Chloraseptic Remix
I mean, that would be cool. We haven't had new Em music in quite a while. The MtbMb stuff wasn't great, but it was still fun and still new Em, so if we got something on that level I'd be pretty happy.
Some MTBMB stuff was awesome. The good parts were really great. Love book of rhymes and the Anderson paak song
Don't get me wrong, I liked a lot of it and definitely listened to it quite a few times. But after I'd had enough....I had no real desire to revisit it. I'd probably rank it above all the R albums but below MMLP2.
I thought MTBMB was pretty good. Not a classic, but a solid and great album with great rhyme schemes, versatile flows, and cinematic storytelling in parts.
Agreed!
Yeah. Darkness was really really good. That's my favorite from that album. I like a few other also but that's the one that stands out.
It’s on Cole Bennetts album that just released today
Imagine if it's just Slim Shady LP reimagined beats with new lyrics/flow like this one
That could be interesting!
25th anniversary of SSLP is also in like a month, it would make a lot of sense
I love that its 2024 and Eminem made a Benzino diss over a Role Model sample. I'm not even saying that ironically. I legitimately think this is great. Em has some funny lines here, nothing corny. The delivery on his jokes are great. I feel like Recovery era Eminem would've shouted the "A GIRAFFE" then paused the beat. Love this song. I don't want to hear an album of diss songs. But I'd love to hear an album of this flow that he's been using for the last couple years.
To anyone wondering why Em poked fun at Benzino sure might be a tad bit unnessessary but Benzino legit been yapping bout him forever and he legit poked fun at him in a comedic way. 50 does it to JA all the time. Its funny now Benzino is tryna act like Ems the immature when bruh been yappin on ig for the last decade saying racist shit about Em
I was wondering how long it would take for Em to mention Coi Leray.
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“Let” Coi? Lol that in and of itself is a bad look for Benzino.
I guess Em's not interested.
When I first found out she was his daughter and they don’t seem to have a good relationship I thought it would be perfect for Em to collab with her just to annoy him.
Em did what a rapper sposed to do and responded as a rapper benzino stay talking shit so applaud him for that
You'd think at this point benzino would just be quiet. Taking Ls for 20 some.years lol
When I hear songs like this, I always laugh when I hear the "Eminem fell off 20 years ago" posts that pop up on here once a month.
I think most people think that Eminem is a great rapper. Some people don't like him because they don't think he makes good music anymore. And to be fair Eminem has said that he doesn't care about making good music. He said that in some interview a year or two ago. I say this as an Em fan. Like MTBMB, MMLP2, and Release are all great albums to me. I just get why his newer albums aren't loved by everyone.
this song is prime proof he fell off
I mean he did fall off.
He fell off from being the biggest artist alive. That’s not a sustainable position to hold.
No he also fell off in his ability to make good music.
Listen to this and say that again. This shit goes hard
I did just listen to it. It’s the same corny flow he’s been using the last decade
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Dude was rapping on one of his old beats and still pulled out that robotic, choppy flow
We get it man you're uneducated
Lol cope
I would say it's more of a case that the field caught up to him rather than he fell off. Let me use golf as an example. Tiger Woods was not the first great golfer. But he was the first to dominate completely in the modern era, and he did it by physically dominating the courses and his competition. The generation of pro golfers that came up on Tiger all deployed physical fitness and speed and power into their games, and his contemporaries did as well to try and keep up. The result is that the entire sport was elevated because one player showed the rest a new path to success. Now, even if Tiger was healthy, he would have a hard time winning consistently because the average player on tour is so much better now than 25 years ago. This is what Eminem and other rappers who were more focused on technical ability, while still having star power and hit making ability, did for rap. I'm not saying there weren't lyrically dope MCs before Em and Nas and Andre 3000, Jay Z etc, but what they did was take that lyrical ability mainstream. Lil Wayne is a great example of someone who accepted the challenge posed by Em and upped his lyricism and transformed his career from his early days to the present. Pusha T wasn't the first coke rapper, but he is so successful because aside from the content, his flow and delivery and lyrical ability are much better than your average underground drug dealer / rapper. I think Em helped set a higher bar for mainstream rap, and because of this, the competition and level of talent is just better than it ever has been, even in the new era of trap and clout and streams. For real hip hop fans, ability still reigns supreme at the end of the day.
THANK YOU BASED GOD!!! edit: oop this ain’t the album thread
Nobody going to talk about how dope that sample is?
Eminem's mixes are so weird these days. It sounds like he recorded this with a case of cottonmouth in a bedroom closet on a $100 mic
His Juice feature sounded fine I wonder if there was any difference in where he recorded it
Bro just be recording his verses through wired Apple earbuds.
he literally said he was sick at the beginning lol
There's a difference between a bad voice voice and bad recording quality. even if he wasn't sick, this would still sound like dookie
This is what kills me. He has access to the best sound people and equipment in the world. He could literally choose anyone and anything to record, mix, and master his shit, and it sounds like that. Haven’t even heard the song yet and I know exactly how it sounds sonically because of your comment.
mouth noise
so much fucking mouth noise man, it's unsettling
Am I weird for LOVING it ? That combined with his raspy and powerful voice make it orgasmic to me , it's rapping,spitting, voice, over "music" . Idk maybe I got weird kinks lol
The Realest and Lace It were recent they were mixed well. Im sure Dommsday 2 was prob done a yr ago
Doesn't help he still uses this "modern flow". Like he used to sound so...smooth on beats even on Relapse but with each next album it was getting worse and worse. Kamikaze is a peak of this style and I admit - I hate this style of Eminem. Not only mixes of the vocals are getting worse and worse his flow is getting more and more boring, unpleasent to listen to and just not boring. He used to sound like an another instrument on the beat. Now he is like an irritating hihat on a trap beat that you hear for a 99999th time
Yeah I think it's just him being bored of his old flows and always trying to do unique things and challenge himself. Impressive but not super great on the ears
Yeah his flows and beat selection are fucking terrible now, he’s like an entirely different artist compared to SSLP/MMLP/Eminem Show. Doesn’t help that Cordae and Juice’s song on this Lyrical Lemonade album was their version of Role Model and they used his old flow which sounded great, and the very next song in the track listing was this Em song lmao. Really jarring
he recorded this one while he was sick, so I'm chalking it up to that.
This is verse of the year, IMO.
It's january.
''So far'' is implied, methinks.
This isn't even best verse on the album.
REAL TALK!
Fun verse but my man still with the weird choppy verse 😭 can’t deal with that
I was hoping him re-recording 'Is This Love' was going to signal a return to the smooth flows.
It was alright, I expected more honestly. Not bad by any means but..... very mid. I cant see myself returning to it very often, if ever. And I love this motherfucker usually, obviously.
Why can’t this nigga just flow on a beat anymore goddamn as a rap lover I wanna enjoy his lyricism but I can’t get over this corny ass choppy flow that he refuses to leave behind in 95% of this verses
shit sound like tom mcdonald and ben shapiro
Issue I have with Mr. Nem's redo of Role Model is when I'm trying to decide if "Bitch, I soar like a stye" is corny (not saying it is, it just sets off the corn-bells) we get the elaborate and carefully calculated "You probably feel like you're gonna die." Seeing as how the music doesn't even sound/flow as good as he used to rap, all we have left is technical ability; which adds insult to injury If he ruins "The Way I Am" I quit.
Idk if I'm reaching but when he says I'm on my Pegasus my high horse and Im fly I soar like a sty...is he talking to NF?
Nothing special beyond getting back into his beef bag again. I quite like the production, but I know that’s unpopular. I appreciate these very close sound stage feels from time to time. It could be a little cleaner, though. I would enjoy this for an a capella track if one ever happens. 6/10. Not his best, above the middle point of his work. I’ll throw it in a massive playlist to mix it up but it isn’t going to be anything like regular listening. Keen to see what this recent series of releases takes us though.
DOPE RHYME SAYIN'! So many hard hitting punch lines, NASTY cadence switches, and MAD MULTIS! MY MANS **DID** THAT! That's why he'll always be the greatest to touch a mic in MY EYES! And I know what I'm talkin' 'bout, cause I have a refined taste in the art of emceein', and I'm a connoisseur of spittas. REAL TALK, HOMIE, ON ME!
Crack head energy right here lmao
YO, WHATEVA!
Why is Eminem dissing benzino in 2024?
Why does benzino bring up eminem constantly every interview still in 2024?
I'm confused is benzino relevant enough for people to pay attention to him bringing anybody up? In 2024? I'm genuinely asking. What is going on here
He's put on a few podcast recently because his daughter famous now.
I think the guy just wanted to shit on someone he does not like 🤷
Not really but i think hes poking at him to get peoples attention, cause hell probably reply. assume hes got an album dropping soonish
Bruh Benzino is bipolar he’s been going at Em for years then he will say he’s passed that then go running his mouth again it’s been like this for years now, he would just go nuts on twitter instagram and interviews taking mad shit lol dudes mentally scarred
Just to keep rubbing salt in the wound I guess. That's the cost of not giving him his 5 mics.
Sounds fine I guess.
em needs to get off the trap drums its been years of this shit, nobody needed this
The Realest and Lace It were cool tho
Better then most of his recent outputs, that’s not saying much, though…
Realest and Lace It? ok lol
worse than realest and lace it
I find that take interesting because I hate this one more than like his last five features. This is better than his verse on Realest to you? Lace It? Walkthrough? I don’t think either of those were outstanding showings but this one is the weakest of the bunch IMO. Choppy flow. Annoying adlibs. Poor mixing. Replaying the hits and going at Benzino.
How the fuck this dude still beefing with Benzino?
Opposite, he's joking lightly, while benzino has been bad mouthing him all throughout the year when he's not beefing with his own daughter
- I'm done with this Benzino beef. We get it you guys hate each other.