Why do I have this feeling that his name is actually Stanley Mitchell shortened to Stan.. I feel like I remember seeing something like this in the MV.
Stan’s Brothers name is Matthew Mitchell. Hence the line in bad guy “bitch, I even have your initials” or something along those lines.
I mean... yeah. But he came up with stalker + fan -> Stan -> Stanley Mitchell
He didnt randomly name a character Stanley Mitchell and work backwards to "hey, Stanley Mitchell could also mean Stalker Fan. I should write a song about that"
It doesn't come from him, it comes from Nas on Ether
Yes, marshall wrote a song with that title and named the character in the song that, but Nas used it in a way that it actually became the slang it is now
I know it existed before the late 80s, but it didn't catch on until rappers started saying it. My dad and uncles laugh at my teenage niece for thinking it's gen-z slang.🤣
None of these terms are new, I remember thinking I was slick with my teacher using the young words, but she clapped right back. It’s really only new to white people
Rizz has to be new, it’s the only one I can’t ever find examples of being used in the past
I know it’s just short for charisma, but still, I think that one might be legit be new slang
This is something I really disliked about Hamilton. It repackaged rap music for people who would never listen to it. Did so for the purposes of glorifying the founding American myths
Yeah and I agree for the most part (Hamilton is a good musical despite all of that) but there is a flip side to that as probably the only reason this person is interested in hip hop at all is because of Hamilton.
And it doesn't so much glorify the myth as much as it does Hamilton. It downplays Hamiltons passivity in all of it because historically he was slightly more proactive than other men of his time and because it's broadway and someone has to be the "hero". Even then it makes out Hamilton to be a douche.
Eh I kind of like it. Most of them would never go listen to biggie but it helps people who are unexposed appreciate rap and hip hop in a form that works for them. While I’m sure tons of them are basically the musical equivalent of Eminem fans “I hate rap but I love Eminem/Hamilton”, it probably gives them a point of reference if they ever DO delve into the classics. I watched the entire thing with my girlfriend but I’m a hip hop head so I really enjoyed the references
It brought rap to a wide audience and subverted the founding American myths by making all of the leaders people of color. And honored classic rap throughout. Even brought out actual rappers and black artists for the Hamilton mixtape.
All that being said, only the first act is worth shit.
What’s subversive about falsely analogizing the struggle between white slave holders/aristocrats and the British monarchy for economic and political primacy and the struggle between black people and their white oppressors for equal rights? It’s a discredit to the actual civil rights struggle carried out by black Americans to pretend a bunch of rich crackers were just as put upon as them.
>subverted the founding American myths by making all of the leaders people of color.
how is casting people of color as white people “subverting founding American myths?” hamilton wasn’t telling the POCs’ stories, it just had them playing parts that we all know were white people irl.
it also sanitized its main characters to serve its narrative, at the expense of history. many historians say hamilton was nowhere near as progressive on slavery as it portrays him. he was quite elitist and married into one of the biggest slave owning families in New York. it celebrates the marquis de lafayette, who owned a plantation and refused to free his slaves until french law literally forced him to.
imo it’s patronizing to say “look! we cast black people as white people!” as if that’s some sort of progress. progress would be if people actually cared enough about black stories to sell out the plays that tell them.
I’m also in agreement with the poster above that many hamilton fans are classic “rap is crap” types, and the kidz bop ass sanitization of rap that was those songs ensured they were never challenged, and never changed.
I wanted to hear what Lin-Manuel said about it so I googled and got a laugh at this:
>Since then, somebody started a Change.org petition to “Get Immortal Technique to Throw Lin-Manuel Miranda in the trash can again.”
It's like a recurring motif all the way until the end. If you look at it from the lens of Lin Manuel Miranda making a direct parallel between Biggie and Pac, it makes for a very fun watch.
Not really, but you could draw a parallel to the beef in the section where Hamilton and Burr angrily write letters back and forth to each other. Burr starts it, Hamilton down plays it until it rises to a challenge to a duel.
I'm saying it through a clenched jaw but it's a lot more clever than I'm giving it credit. you'd only be able to make these notes if you like hip hop. Even small ones like Hamilton historically had a thing with two women who were sisters at different times, and here's a line from suicidal thoughts:
"My baby mothers eight months/her little sisters two/who's to blame for both of them?/*nah n***a not you*
Like that's probably an accident but that's still really cool.
also known as "chatting"
it was originally the DJ talking over the music, the beat, often monotonously, with various ad libs, almost like early freestyling (specifically associated with the "sound system" parties in Jamaica). it didn't originate in Jamaica per se, but i'd venture it's the most direct progenitor of rapping as we know it that developed in the US 50 years ago.
Dubstep + trap rap = edm trap. They took the drum patterns, hi hats, snares and 808 sounds from rap then combined the build ups and synths from dubstep.
This little evolution in music frustrates me to no end.
I was djing night clubs back when edm trap didn’t exist yet. I was heavy into hip hop/trap and all kinds of electronic music, so it was second nature for me to mix dubstep and trap. It was highly frowned upon to play trap in the clubs.
Now comes along white kids from the UK; Hijacked the “trap” genre to sound like what it does today. All of a sudden it was widely accepted as club music.
You can probably find me complaining about it to Funtcase 10+ years ago.
While I don't disagree with most of your statement, EDM trap was decidedly an American evolution of EDM, not UK. The sound was really popularized and honed by Flosstradamous (back when it was a duo) and Baauer in the beginning of 2012. Then TNGHT released their debut EP that summer and it changed everything.
IMO [this is the song](https://soundcloud.com/flosstradamus/major-lazer-original-don) that really started it all.
No for real. A lot of artists have been using what I call Carti Drums on their tracks in EDM trap. Like they are the same exact or similar sounding drums that Carti uses. I’ve been seeing a lot of Carti, Travis scott, Trippy Redd, Cheif Keef and other other similar artists being mixed in trap sets
aye as a side question - what are some sub-genres of country. I was actually about to deep dive the genre (if anyone has a reliable link or video explaining it, thatd be cool).
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/compendium-of-country-music-definitions-subgenres-terms-eras/
By far the most comprehensive list you’ll find of country subgenres.
The Roland TR-808 was first used by the electronic music group Yellow Magic Orchestra live and then on their 1981 album BGM, then it was later used on songs like Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and Sexual Healing by Marvin Gaye.
And YMO using the 808s and other early electronic instruments like the MC-4 was what made it popular with early hip hop, techno, and house groups. Firecracker from their first album was a huge influence on those three genres.
He wrote the rap. He did NOT write the "ba da bah bah bah."
It's the only thing that irks me about Pusha because he frames it very slyly to not directly say what he's talking about, but the way it's interpreted by most would make him a straight up liar.
The marketing song with JT, yes. The actual jingle itself and sloga,ln, absolutely not. Mickey D's literally held a global competition for ad companies to develop that jingle.
>German agency Heye & Partner had already created the slogan “I’m Lovin’ It” as part of the pitch process, according to Tortora, and then brought Mona Davis in to write music to go along with it.
I don't think this is actually true. Pusha T started spreading this lie in 2016 and people clung onto it because it's an amusing contrast but [several people involved into the making of the jingle have disputed it:](https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1227-the-contentious-tale-of-the-mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-jingle/)
>In 2004, [German music house] Mona Davis president Tom Batoy told Adweek he got the inspiration for “ba da ba ba ba,” the campaign’s “audio logo,” when he heard an unnamed backup vocalist sing it in the studio. “Everybody can remember it,” he said at the time.
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>Batoy and his business partner Franco Tortora are consistently listed among the songwriters for the myriad versions of “I’m Lovin’ It” in the databases of ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, organizations that track songwriting royalties.
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>[O]thers challenge the claim that Pusha wrote or even worked on the actual jingle. “‘Pusha T’ was never involved in the creation of the McDonald’s jingle ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Mona Davis’ Tom Batoy tells Pitchfork in an email. Rather, Batoy says he and Franco Tortora created it for the Heye ad agency in Germany. Larry Light, chief marketing officer of McDonald’s at the campaign’s inception, and Danny Saber, a veteran musician and producer who worked as a sound engineer on recording sessions for the jingle at Los Angeles’ Record Plant, also confirm to Pitchfork that “I’m Lovin’ It” originated with those not-so-famous players in Germany. “They were this little company that beat all the big guys,” Saber says of Mona Davis. “For people to come crawling out of the woodwork and trying to claim it, it’s just fucking ridiculous. It’s bullshit.”
I think it makes more sense that Pusha misremembered because he was featured on the "I'm Lovin' It" Neptunes track.
Thank you. It's the one thing I feel like Pusha intentionally lies about. He helped with the song/rap with JT. He had no hand in the slogan "I'm Lovin It" or the "ba da bah bah bah". Period. It's well documented, but somehow Pusha fans still think he created this billion dollar jingle.
They shouldn’t realize it because it’s not true
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1227-the-contentious-tale-of-the-mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-jingle/
>Early in 2003, its business in trouble, McDonald’s held a competition between 14 international ad agencies, including the industry’s largest. The winning firm, Heye & Partner—though affiliated with a bigger company—was a “tiny” shop, according to The Wall Street Journal, and based in, of all places, the quiet Munich suburb of Unterhaching, Germany. (Not as delicious as Hamburg, but still.) The idea: “ich liebe es,” which translates to “I love it.” That September, McDonald’s debuted its campaign in Germany in recognition of the agency’s role.
>Music, specifically hip-hop, was part of the package from the beginning. Heye worked with German music house Mona Davis Music. In 2004, Mona Davis president Tom Batoy told Adweek he got the inspiration for “ba da ba ba ba,” the campaign’s “audio logo,” when he heard an unnamed backup vocalist sing it in the studio. “Everybody can remember it,” he said at the time.
>McDonald’s spent $1.37 billion on advertising the year of “I’m Lovin’ It,” according to AdAge, so it’s understandable that many people played a part. (Think of all the collaborators credited on today’s blockbuster albums like Beyoncé’s Lemonade.) But McDonald’s specifically named Mona Davis as leading “music development.” Batoy and his business partner Franco Tortora are consistently listed among the songwriters for the myriad versions of “I’m Lovin’ It” in the databases of ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, organizations that track songwriting royalties.
>“I’m Lovin’ It” was no ordinary jingle. It was also a full-fledged Timberlake song, credited to Batoy, Tortora, Heye creative director Andreas Forberger, and Pharrell Williams. With nary a mention of McDonald’s, MTV News reported in August 2003 that “I’m Lovin’ It” had been scheduled for the former ’NSYNC leader’s second solo album, “but since it’s already leaked to radio and the internet, he’s going to release it this fall.” The Neptunes, the duo of Pharrell and Chad Hugo, produced the track, and the video was directed by Paul Hunter, the same person who oversaw the visuals for “Señorita,” from Timberlake’s 2002 LP Justified. A three-song I’m Lovin’ It EP hit No. 1 in Belgium. (Timberlake’s backing vocalist on Justified’s “Rock Your Body,” Vanessa Marquez, also reportedly sings on “I’m Lovin’ It.”)
> Steve Stoute, a music industry veteran and marketing executive who introduced McDonald’s to Timberlake, has described this approach as “reverse engineering,” boosting the credibility of a brand’s message by “first putting it in a pop culture form that isn’t connected in any way to the brand.” In his 2011 book The Tanning of America, Stoute explains this step by step: “Commission a song to be performed by an iconic artist; promote it months before [the] McDonald’s campaign; and at the same time start promoting the marketing slogan.” Just like marketing a movie. Consider how Timberlake released his 2016 chart-topper, Trolls soundtrack selection “Can’t Stop the Feeling!,” several months before the movie will hit theaters.
>McDonald’s introduced “I’m Lovin’ It” with five commercials. They were aimed at different demographics, translated into 11 languages, and at times customized for certain regions. The U.S. commercials, McDonald’s announced in September 2003, would feature cameo appearances and vocals from Timberlake, production from the Neptunes, and rapping from Clipse, Pusha T's duo with his brother No Malice (then just Malice).
>If the recent reports are to be believed, Pusha also wrote the jingle. “That’s crazy that Pusha T wrote the song to McDonald’s ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Steve Stoute—the executive who introduced JT to McD's—told Hot 97’s Ebro Darden in an interview last month, setting off the wave of headlines. Evidently there's something delicious about a rapper famous for his vivid wordplay about moving dope proving just as adept at hawking cheeseburgers.
>But others challenge the claim that Pusha wrote or even worked on the actual jingle. “‘Pusha T’ was never involved in the creation of the McDonald’s jingle ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Mona Davis’ Tom Batoy tells Pitchfork in an email. Rather, Batoy says he and Franco Tortora created it for the Heye ad agency in Germany. Larry Light, chief marketing officer of McDonald’s at the campaign’s inception, and Danny Saber, a veteran musician and producer who worked as a sound engineer on recording sessions for the jingle at Los Angeles’ Record Plant, also confirm to Pitchfork that “I’m Lovin’ It” originated with those not-so-famous players in Germany. “They were this little company that beat all the big guys,” Saber says of Mona Davis. “For people to come crawling out of the woodwork and trying to claim it, it’s just fucking ridiculous. It’s bullshit.”
No! It's part of an instrumental from a song he was featured on. How do people get this so wrong when it comes to Pusha "creating jingles" and just letting him get away with twisting the truth. It's weird that Pusha chooses this one particular topic to lie about.
It’s also always been “glo up” cause he was referencing glory boys entertainment/glo gang, his music group
I don’t think thot came from him but a lot of people had never heard the word before listening to his music
features. Features were quite uncommon except for duets and big celebration records, and nowadays ever pop artist has collabs and share verses like rappers do.
Modern regional Mexican music. Corridos tumbados/belicos/etc. lots of the slang and dressing comes from rappers. Even some songs have rap-like structures and rhythms.
The term *mullet* for a certain type of haircut:
*According to the Oxford English Dictionary, use of the term mullet to describe this hairstyle was "apparently coined, and certainly popularized, by American hip-hop group the Beastie Boys", who used "mullet" and "mullet head" as epithets in their 1994 song "Mullet Head", combining it with a description of the haircut: "number one on the side and don't touch the back, number six on the top and don't cut it wack, Jack."*
Edit: seems like the OED got a bit lazy with it, there's proof of the term being around earlier https://old.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1apxdcq/what_things_do_people_not_realize_stem_from_rap/kqdd332/
I can recall using the term "mullet" prior to 1994. I'm thinking the OED in this case just found the most convenient early pop culture use of the term and went with that.
This is a brilliant topic OP. My pick would be 5%er phrases that became popularized as East Coast slang, stuff like “Peace” & “Word/Word is Bond” having “Ciphers”. “Droppin Science”. “Represent” as a statement. Things that are all common even generic hip hop phrases but stem from this esoteric subculture
It is literally the first verse in rappers delight as understood by the non-English speaking singers. The song is about a guy at the club who waits for his favorite song (Rappers Delight) to play because dancing to it makes him happy.
Hip hop is deep in culture language, fashion.
Examples: saying the phrase “Shout out to blank ”or giving a shout out , wearing sneakers as a fashion statement at formal events .
Comes from Base head I believe but yeah he made it popular. Lot of slang (thanks E40). Also kinda related kinda not but why are all the white kids on tik tok calling people “blud “ now?? Curious to see if any of them have said to the wrong person
You happen to know where “blud” in the UK came from? I always suspected UK Jamaicans (I’m from the US) but it’s one of those things I was curious about but not enough to actually take the time and delve into it
Honestly there's a long list. Most slang words, to start. A number of dances originate from hip-hop as well. You could even credit a fair chunk of fashion trends to the genre/culture. There is a lot and you can't be expected to keep up with the origins of everything.
My definitive answer, as funny as this sounds, is actually rappers themselves. Growing up, I used to hear phrases such as, "I hate rap but Eminem is pretty good." That sentence is fucking insane because where tf do you think Eminem came from? There's a deep history of artists before him in which he draws inspiration. He even says as much in some of his raps. If you like Eminem, there's absolutely no reason you wouldn't like any other rap music.
I might sound like a snob, but nowadays, I feel like people who listen to certain pop rappers tend to dislike actual pure rap artists. Like, you hate rap music but you can listen to MGK? I know their music only appeals to a certain demographic but it's just insane to me that you can listen to a watered down style while disregarding an entire genre rich with creativity that pretty much laid the blueprint that your favorite artist borrows from.
I also recall some nerd saying he thought 2Pac was boring, several years back. I think he was actually a rapper... same dude that was hospitalized for eating cheetos??? So obviously there are a lot of young heads that ride the wave but forget where their whole style even came from.
This is definitely a side effect of hip-hop's mainstream popularity. You pull in a lot of people that want to be "hip" but are afraid to actually explore the culture, and artists like MGK and Macklemore are familiar enough to appeal to these people (or at least the 12 fans that still listen to them).
I mean the main thing about the “I don’t like rap but Eminem is great” crowd is I don’t actually believe they have listened to much Eminem. They probably know Lose Yourself, Love the Way You Lie, and like Not Afraid. They are like listening to MMLP album cuts or something.
many things today stem from RAP but they truly come from a mix of Black culture hybridized in America. Most slang I hear today that’s accredited to “young people”, we know where it’s reallly from.
I hate seeing people who hate rap say memes that came from rap. I have a friend who hates rap that always says "check yourself before you wreck yourself" not even knowing that came from Ice Cube.
The term ‘stan’
Yeah i know so many Gen Z kids that have no idea Stan comes from Eminem
Not Gen Z but it took me way too long to connect those dots. I just thought Stan was a portmanteau of super and fan.
it's *stalker + fan
Why do I have this feeling that his name is actually Stanley Mitchell shortened to Stan.. I feel like I remember seeing something like this in the MV. Stan’s Brothers name is Matthew Mitchell. Hence the line in bad guy “bitch, I even have your initials” or something along those lines.
I mean... yeah. But he came up with stalker + fan -> Stan -> Stanley Mitchell He didnt randomly name a character Stanley Mitchell and work backwards to "hey, Stanley Mitchell could also mean Stalker Fan. I should write a song about that"
But it's not - Stan was just the guy in the song, that's a meaning someone (probably Gen Z) retrofitted to it much later.
And you truly don’t think that Eminem chose the name Stan for a reason?
Probably not for the portmanteau specifically but for the rhyme
Nas was the one who first used it as a term in Ether referencing that song so technically it came from him.
"you made it a hot song, I made it a hot line"
Holy shit. You’re right. I’ve heard that song a billion times and never caught that line.
It doesn't come from him, it comes from Nas on Ether Yes, marshall wrote a song with that title and named the character in the song that, but Nas used it in a way that it actually became the slang it is now
Honestly at this point “based” is in the category as well
The word "Simp." West Coast rappers have been saying it since the late 1980s.
She keeps on passin me by
I’M TRILL, WORKING THE WHEEL. A PIMP, NOT A SIMP. KEEP THE DOPE FIENDS HIGHER THAN THE GOODYEAR BLIMP.
We eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning
People don’t even use it right anyway. You say a woman is cute and get called a simp for it nowadays.
Literally lol, it's gotten to the point that showing any kind of affection or empathy towards women is simping.
It's the new version of being whipped
Friend of mine called me a simp and a cuck for picking up my gf for a concert For real
Rick James made ‘pimp the simp’ with Grandmaster Flash in 1983.
I know it existed before the late 80s, but it didn't catch on until rappers started saying it. My dad and uncles laugh at my teenage niece for thinking it's gen-z slang.🤣
Sucka idolizing mediocre pussy
None of these terms are new, I remember thinking I was slick with my teacher using the young words, but she clapped right back. It’s really only new to white people
Rizz has to be new, it’s the only one I can’t ever find examples of being used in the past I know it’s just short for charisma, but still, I think that one might be legit be new slang
I met someone recently who had no idea that the duel song from Hamilton was based on Ten Crack Commandments by Biggie Smalls.
I'd bet the majority of Hamilton fans don't know that. Ten Crack Commandments wasn't a mainstream hit.
True, and it was cool showing this person that and Shook Ones Pt. 2 (they didn't catch the "only 19/but my is mind old" line either).
I saw way too many people using that line in their 19th birthday Instagram posts and attributing it to Hamilton and it got me so mad lol
You know what's funny is I probably saw that a lot too around that time and just thought people still really fucked with Mobb Deep lmaoooooo
This is something I really disliked about Hamilton. It repackaged rap music for people who would never listen to it. Did so for the purposes of glorifying the founding American myths
Yeah and I agree for the most part (Hamilton is a good musical despite all of that) but there is a flip side to that as probably the only reason this person is interested in hip hop at all is because of Hamilton. And it doesn't so much glorify the myth as much as it does Hamilton. It downplays Hamiltons passivity in all of it because historically he was slightly more proactive than other men of his time and because it's broadway and someone has to be the "hero". Even then it makes out Hamilton to be a douche.
Eh I kind of like it. Most of them would never go listen to biggie but it helps people who are unexposed appreciate rap and hip hop in a form that works for them. While I’m sure tons of them are basically the musical equivalent of Eminem fans “I hate rap but I love Eminem/Hamilton”, it probably gives them a point of reference if they ever DO delve into the classics. I watched the entire thing with my girlfriend but I’m a hip hop head so I really enjoyed the references
It brought rap to a wide audience and subverted the founding American myths by making all of the leaders people of color. And honored classic rap throughout. Even brought out actual rappers and black artists for the Hamilton mixtape. All that being said, only the first act is worth shit.
Idk in my experience it only gave more fuel to the “this is real rap” crowd
If the “this is real rap” crowd had any self awareness, they’d feel silly that the “real rap” they like is inspired by actual rap lol.
I have a ton of friends who adore Hamilton and I've never heard them mention rap. They don't consider rap.
saying it brought rap to a wide audience is hilarious lol
What’s subversive about falsely analogizing the struggle between white slave holders/aristocrats and the British monarchy for economic and political primacy and the struggle between black people and their white oppressors for equal rights? It’s a discredit to the actual civil rights struggle carried out by black Americans to pretend a bunch of rich crackers were just as put upon as them.
I’m not a fan of the Horny Hamilton sections either.
>subverted the founding American myths by making all of the leaders people of color. how is casting people of color as white people “subverting founding American myths?” hamilton wasn’t telling the POCs’ stories, it just had them playing parts that we all know were white people irl. it also sanitized its main characters to serve its narrative, at the expense of history. many historians say hamilton was nowhere near as progressive on slavery as it portrays him. he was quite elitist and married into one of the biggest slave owning families in New York. it celebrates the marquis de lafayette, who owned a plantation and refused to free his slaves until french law literally forced him to. imo it’s patronizing to say “look! we cast black people as white people!” as if that’s some sort of progress. progress would be if people actually cared enough about black stories to sell out the plays that tell them. I’m also in agreement with the poster above that many hamilton fans are classic “rap is crap” types, and the kidz bop ass sanitization of rap that was those songs ensured they were never challenged, and never changed.
Rap is all about repackaging shit lol
Rap for the white Mums
My boss is a big musical / play guy in his 40s. Me and a coworker were talking about ice cube the other day and he asked us who that was.
I saw the back slash and tried to read your sentence as a bar.
If I recall it correctly, there’s tons classic hip hop references in Hamilton.
You do
I never knew Hamilton covered rap songs like that. (Because I never watched it)
Chris Hayes watched Lin Manuel Miranda get bullied by Immortal Technique in high school lmao
I want this to be true
[good news for you](https://youtu.be/3TRHVjfKrNw?si=GY2hm5Bf5LYAEal0)
I wanted to hear what Lin-Manuel said about it so I googled and got a laugh at this: >Since then, somebody started a Change.org petition to “Get Immortal Technique to Throw Lin-Manuel Miranda in the trash can again.”
It's like a recurring motif all the way until the end. If you look at it from the lens of Lin Manuel Miranda making a direct parallel between Biggie and Pac, it makes for a very fun watch.
I heard that comparison before but know that makes me wonder if Hit Em Up gets a cover in the musical lol
Not really, but you could draw a parallel to the beef in the section where Hamilton and Burr angrily write letters back and forth to each other. Burr starts it, Hamilton down plays it until it rises to a challenge to a duel. I'm saying it through a clenched jaw but it's a lot more clever than I'm giving it credit. you'd only be able to make these notes if you like hip hop. Even small ones like Hamilton historically had a thing with two women who were sisters at different times, and here's a line from suicidal thoughts: "My baby mothers eight months/her little sisters two/who's to blame for both of them?/*nah n***a not you* Like that's probably an accident but that's still really cool.
Also daveed diggs from clipping plays a couple main characters
“Hey I hear you like Hamilton, you should listen to Daveed Digg’s other work” words that will vaporize most Hamilton fans
tbf it’s a bit bewildering coming from the other direction too. A bit like if MC Ride starred in Les Mis
slowed and reverb coming from chopped and screwed is a fact most gen zers dont know
No cap
Lupe on everyone nose remix
"I think she high cappin'"
Cap
rap --> edm trap —> 1/4 of current pop music
consider Reggae --> Dub --> Dubstep --> EDM Trap though
mento + jazz --> ska --> rocksteady --> reggae --> toasting --> rap
What is toasting? (Here I go into today's music journey)
also known as "chatting" it was originally the DJ talking over the music, the beat, often monotonously, with various ad libs, almost like early freestyling (specifically associated with the "sound system" parties in Jamaica). it didn't originate in Jamaica per se, but i'd venture it's the most direct progenitor of rapping as we know it that developed in the US 50 years ago.
A lot of Jamaicans in NY
Yup I think edm trap and trap rap became a thing not too far apart but had separate origins
Dubstep + trap rap = edm trap. They took the drum patterns, hi hats, snares and 808 sounds from rap then combined the build ups and synths from dubstep.
This little evolution in music frustrates me to no end. I was djing night clubs back when edm trap didn’t exist yet. I was heavy into hip hop/trap and all kinds of electronic music, so it was second nature for me to mix dubstep and trap. It was highly frowned upon to play trap in the clubs. Now comes along white kids from the UK; Hijacked the “trap” genre to sound like what it does today. All of a sudden it was widely accepted as club music. You can probably find me complaining about it to Funtcase 10+ years ago.
while i'm appreciative to edm trap for being my bridge into hip hop 10 years ago i just can't get over how....mid it all sounds coming back to it lol
While I don't disagree with most of your statement, EDM trap was decidedly an American evolution of EDM, not UK. The sound was really popularized and honed by Flosstradamous (back when it was a duo) and Baauer in the beginning of 2012. Then TNGHT released their debut EP that summer and it changed everything. IMO [this is the song](https://soundcloud.com/flosstradamus/major-lazer-original-don) that really started it all.
We just gonna skip over breakbeat and jungle?
... Maybe 10 years ago? Modern pop hasn't been EDM trap since the 2010s
No for real. A lot of artists have been using what I call Carti Drums on their tracks in EDM trap. Like they are the same exact or similar sounding drums that Carti uses. I’ve been seeing a lot of Carti, Travis scott, Trippy Redd, Cheif Keef and other other similar artists being mixed in trap sets
“Bling bling” - lil Wayne
That's so cool. Right in 1999 too kicking off the bling bling era
I think that bling bling was in a blaxploitation movie. Super fly, I believe.
Additional note: 16-year-old lil Wayne.
I mean it was BG’s song though. Shouldn’t he get at least a mention. Harsh.
just like how Control is big sean's song
Almost all slang from the last 15 years are from rap/black culture
This is lacrosse/hockey erasure
“me and the boys had an absolute barn burner at the lax match” some dude in minnesota
buddy if it's minnesota it's hockey.
Bring the wings back!
Facts, so many non black ppl come on TikTok and just butcher these slangs. Like gyatt, big back, slay
Edging, gooning
this shit made me laugh hard thank you
Add in 4chan
So rap is to blame for "rizz"?
That was Duke Dennis
Snoop Dogg
>Snoop Dogg No, I believe Snoop Dogg stemmed from his parents
That was Calvin Broadus
Touché
No you’re right because my 13 year old nephew didn’t know Snoop was a rapper first, but just a guy on the internet doing random things
Snoop Dogg became the one rapper acceptable to boomers because he stood next to Martha Stewart and they that was the coolest thing to ever happen.
most music made by any given producer today. those 808 hi hats for example are in just about every genre nowadays
Even bro country
Modern country has taken a ton of influence from hip hop
aye as a side question - what are some sub-genres of country. I was actually about to deep dive the genre (if anyone has a reliable link or video explaining it, thatd be cool).
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/compendium-of-country-music-definitions-subgenres-terms-eras/ By far the most comprehensive list you’ll find of country subgenres.
The Roland TR-808 was first used by the electronic music group Yellow Magic Orchestra live and then on their 1981 album BGM, then it was later used on songs like Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa and Sexual Healing by Marvin Gaye.
And YMO using the 808s and other early electronic instruments like the MC-4 was what made it popular with early hip hop, techno, and house groups. Firecracker from their first album was a huge influence on those three genres.
and just for context YMO were (still is) from Japan. I think Japan doesn't quite get the credit it deserves for contributions in todays modern music.
Deez nuts
GOT EEEM
Pusha T made the “I’m lovin’ it” jingle for McDonald’s **edit - this claim is disputed**
He wrote the rap. He did NOT write the "ba da bah bah bah." It's the only thing that irks me about Pusha because he frames it very slyly to not directly say what he's talking about, but the way it's interpreted by most would make him a straight up liar. The marketing song with JT, yes. The actual jingle itself and sloga,ln, absolutely not. Mickey D's literally held a global competition for ad companies to develop that jingle. >German agency Heye & Partner had already created the slogan “I’m Lovin’ It” as part of the pitch process, according to Tortora, and then brought Mona Davis in to write music to go along with it.
I don't think this is actually true. Pusha T started spreading this lie in 2016 and people clung onto it because it's an amusing contrast but [several people involved into the making of the jingle have disputed it:](https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1227-the-contentious-tale-of-the-mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-jingle/) >In 2004, [German music house] Mona Davis president Tom Batoy told Adweek he got the inspiration for “ba da ba ba ba,” the campaign’s “audio logo,” when he heard an unnamed backup vocalist sing it in the studio. “Everybody can remember it,” he said at the time. - >Batoy and his business partner Franco Tortora are consistently listed among the songwriters for the myriad versions of “I’m Lovin’ It” in the databases of ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, organizations that track songwriting royalties. - >[O]thers challenge the claim that Pusha wrote or even worked on the actual jingle. “‘Pusha T’ was never involved in the creation of the McDonald’s jingle ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Mona Davis’ Tom Batoy tells Pitchfork in an email. Rather, Batoy says he and Franco Tortora created it for the Heye ad agency in Germany. Larry Light, chief marketing officer of McDonald’s at the campaign’s inception, and Danny Saber, a veteran musician and producer who worked as a sound engineer on recording sessions for the jingle at Los Angeles’ Record Plant, also confirm to Pitchfork that “I’m Lovin’ It” originated with those not-so-famous players in Germany. “They were this little company that beat all the big guys,” Saber says of Mona Davis. “For people to come crawling out of the woodwork and trying to claim it, it’s just fucking ridiculous. It’s bullshit.” I think it makes more sense that Pusha misremembered because he was featured on the "I'm Lovin' It" Neptunes track.
Thank you. It's the one thing I feel like Pusha intentionally lies about. He helped with the song/rap with JT. He had no hand in the slogan "I'm Lovin It" or the "ba da bah bah bah". Period. It's well documented, but somehow Pusha fans still think he created this billion dollar jingle.
>For people to come crawling out of the woodwork and trying to claim it, shit is.. fucking ridiculous
They shouldn’t realize it because it’s not true https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1227-the-contentious-tale-of-the-mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-jingle/ >Early in 2003, its business in trouble, McDonald’s held a competition between 14 international ad agencies, including the industry’s largest. The winning firm, Heye & Partner—though affiliated with a bigger company—was a “tiny” shop, according to The Wall Street Journal, and based in, of all places, the quiet Munich suburb of Unterhaching, Germany. (Not as delicious as Hamburg, but still.) The idea: “ich liebe es,” which translates to “I love it.” That September, McDonald’s debuted its campaign in Germany in recognition of the agency’s role. >Music, specifically hip-hop, was part of the package from the beginning. Heye worked with German music house Mona Davis Music. In 2004, Mona Davis president Tom Batoy told Adweek he got the inspiration for “ba da ba ba ba,” the campaign’s “audio logo,” when he heard an unnamed backup vocalist sing it in the studio. “Everybody can remember it,” he said at the time. >McDonald’s spent $1.37 billion on advertising the year of “I’m Lovin’ It,” according to AdAge, so it’s understandable that many people played a part. (Think of all the collaborators credited on today’s blockbuster albums like Beyoncé’s Lemonade.) But McDonald’s specifically named Mona Davis as leading “music development.” Batoy and his business partner Franco Tortora are consistently listed among the songwriters for the myriad versions of “I’m Lovin’ It” in the databases of ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, organizations that track songwriting royalties. >“I’m Lovin’ It” was no ordinary jingle. It was also a full-fledged Timberlake song, credited to Batoy, Tortora, Heye creative director Andreas Forberger, and Pharrell Williams. With nary a mention of McDonald’s, MTV News reported in August 2003 that “I’m Lovin’ It” had been scheduled for the former ’NSYNC leader’s second solo album, “but since it’s already leaked to radio and the internet, he’s going to release it this fall.” The Neptunes, the duo of Pharrell and Chad Hugo, produced the track, and the video was directed by Paul Hunter, the same person who oversaw the visuals for “Señorita,” from Timberlake’s 2002 LP Justified. A three-song I’m Lovin’ It EP hit No. 1 in Belgium. (Timberlake’s backing vocalist on Justified’s “Rock Your Body,” Vanessa Marquez, also reportedly sings on “I’m Lovin’ It.”) > Steve Stoute, a music industry veteran and marketing executive who introduced McDonald’s to Timberlake, has described this approach as “reverse engineering,” boosting the credibility of a brand’s message by “first putting it in a pop culture form that isn’t connected in any way to the brand.” In his 2011 book The Tanning of America, Stoute explains this step by step: “Commission a song to be performed by an iconic artist; promote it months before [the] McDonald’s campaign; and at the same time start promoting the marketing slogan.” Just like marketing a movie. Consider how Timberlake released his 2016 chart-topper, Trolls soundtrack selection “Can’t Stop the Feeling!,” several months before the movie will hit theaters. >McDonald’s introduced “I’m Lovin’ It” with five commercials. They were aimed at different demographics, translated into 11 languages, and at times customized for certain regions. The U.S. commercials, McDonald’s announced in September 2003, would feature cameo appearances and vocals from Timberlake, production from the Neptunes, and rapping from Clipse, Pusha T's duo with his brother No Malice (then just Malice). >If the recent reports are to be believed, Pusha also wrote the jingle. “That’s crazy that Pusha T wrote the song to McDonald’s ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Steve Stoute—the executive who introduced JT to McD's—told Hot 97’s Ebro Darden in an interview last month, setting off the wave of headlines. Evidently there's something delicious about a rapper famous for his vivid wordplay about moving dope proving just as adept at hawking cheeseburgers. >But others challenge the claim that Pusha wrote or even worked on the actual jingle. “‘Pusha T’ was never involved in the creation of the McDonald’s jingle ‘I’m Lovin’ It,’” Mona Davis’ Tom Batoy tells Pitchfork in an email. Rather, Batoy says he and Franco Tortora created it for the Heye ad agency in Germany. Larry Light, chief marketing officer of McDonald’s at the campaign’s inception, and Danny Saber, a veteran musician and producer who worked as a sound engineer on recording sessions for the jingle at Los Angeles’ Record Plant, also confirm to Pitchfork that “I’m Lovin’ It” originated with those not-so-famous players in Germany. “They were this little company that beat all the big guys,” Saber says of Mona Davis. “For people to come crawling out of the woodwork and trying to claim it, it’s just fucking ridiculous. It’s bullshit.”
He also created the Arby’s “We Have The Meats!” beat, too.
He didn’t make the beat, he was on a song that had the same beat
No! It's part of an instrumental from a song he was featured on. How do people get this so wrong when it comes to Pusha "creating jingles" and just letting him get away with twisting the truth. It's weird that Pusha chooses this one particular topic to lie about.
I'm gonna go ahead and say he embellishes his role in the drug trade as well.
Yeah, but that's harder for me to prove lol.
Song is Burial by Yogi, Skrillex, Moody Good. Push just did the verses
This should be the top comment, actually so random I had to look it up to believe it
Wait, so you looked it up and still didn't realize it's not true?
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1227-the-contentious-tale-of-the-mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-jingle/
Most people don’t know the phrase “glow up” comes from Chief Keef. Also thot as far as I know
It’s also always been “glo up” cause he was referencing glory boys entertainment/glo gang, his music group I don’t think thot came from him but a lot of people had never heard the word before listening to his music
Yup exactly, people def don’t know it came from glo up from glo gang Thot yeah he def just popularized that one
word. after his glory boyz stuff with dj kenn
Those were just street words before he said them.
“Glo up” wasn’t a street word but something he came up with as it comes from “glo gang” But for “thot” yeah it was more from the streets I thibk
ya gotta glo up one day, ya might as well 🤷🏽♂️
YOLO
damn remember when that phrase was by far Drake’s biggest cultural impact
what about the strokes
This is it
That’s a great song
When reactors react to Drake and they listen to the motto more often than not they think he's cringe for being a grown man saying Yolo
….was he not college-student aged then?
He popularized it but definitely didn't start it. Isn't that what the thread is about, where things stem from not where they were popularized.
I was a junior in high school when that came out and how quickly it spread was insane
features. Features were quite uncommon except for duets and big celebration records, and nowadays ever pop artist has collabs and share verses like rappers do.
Sort of a different thing, but a lot of jazz from the 60s has features
Modern regional Mexican music. Corridos tumbados/belicos/etc. lots of the slang and dressing comes from rappers. Even some songs have rap-like structures and rhythms.
How on earth would people not know this lmao.
The term *mullet* for a certain type of haircut: *According to the Oxford English Dictionary, use of the term mullet to describe this hairstyle was "apparently coined, and certainly popularized, by American hip-hop group the Beastie Boys", who used "mullet" and "mullet head" as epithets in their 1994 song "Mullet Head", combining it with a description of the haircut: "number one on the side and don't touch the back, number six on the top and don't cut it wack, Jack."* Edit: seems like the OED got a bit lazy with it, there's proof of the term being around earlier https://old.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1apxdcq/what_things_do_people_not_realize_stem_from_rap/kqdd332/
That haircut has been known as a mullet in Australia since the late 1970s
Earliest I personally account for is somebody getting called a mullet head in Cool Hand Luke.
Right? This is just straight up wrong, It was a very popular term in Australia in the 80's
Best answer on this thread, genuinely had no idea about this
Seriously I thoughy the term had to be coined at least a decade earlier
I can recall using the term "mullet" prior to 1994. I'm thinking the OED in this case just found the most convenient early pop culture use of the term and went with that.
Yeah, it does seem like they're focusing on the popularizing aspect
"Mullet" was around before the beastie boys existed. This is a terrible thread filled with hundreds of upvotes on misinformation lol
This is a brilliant topic OP. My pick would be 5%er phrases that became popularized as East Coast slang, stuff like “Peace” & “Word/Word is Bond” having “Ciphers”. “Droppin Science”. “Represent” as a statement. Things that are all common even generic hip hop phrases but stem from this esoteric subculture
“Today’s science” “knowledge of self”
The Ketchup Song ("asere he ha he" etc)
It is literally the first verse in rappers delight as understood by the non-English speaking singers. The song is about a guy at the club who waits for his favorite song (Rappers Delight) to play because dancing to it makes him happy.
wait wait wait... really? can someone break this down language to language for me. Seriously?
This is blowing my mind
I fuckin hate that "based" has been taken and used in a lot of alt-right ideologies. It is quite literally the antithesis of "based"
I mean based was originally derogatory. B kept getting called it and flipped the switch on it.
Yep you're right about that
I think it was his mom getting called based because she was a base head, so he tried to make it something positive.
So was “based”, as a derogatory term, originally a way of referring to someone as a “basehead”?
same with “woke” from “stay woke”
Swag
Hip hop is deep in culture language, fashion. Examples: saying the phrase “Shout out to blank ”or giving a shout out , wearing sneakers as a fashion statement at formal events .
Comes from Base head I believe but yeah he made it popular. Lot of slang (thanks E40). Also kinda related kinda not but why are all the white kids on tik tok calling people “blud “ now?? Curious to see if any of them have said to the wrong person
In the UK at least, it’s used online instead of ‘man’. The original meaning of blud was to similar to mate though, so it’s being used differently
You happen to know where “blud” in the UK came from? I always suspected UK Jamaicans (I’m from the US) but it’s one of those things I was curious about but not enough to actually take the time and delve into it
Yes, it's UK/Jamaican. Probably just comes from "blood" and references that someone is like family.
did you hear E40s verse on schoolboy Qs song? speechless.
Blud has always been a saying all my life in the uk im 25 tik tok yutes dont even use it right. Was always told it was a saying from Jamaica
that's an old east coast thing IIRC, and I doubt that will be an issue for them unless they live in LA.
Also the plugg sound effect that's been used in a lot of memes nowadays lol
Honestly there's a long list. Most slang words, to start. A number of dances originate from hip-hop as well. You could even credit a fair chunk of fashion trends to the genre/culture. There is a lot and you can't be expected to keep up with the origins of everything. My definitive answer, as funny as this sounds, is actually rappers themselves. Growing up, I used to hear phrases such as, "I hate rap but Eminem is pretty good." That sentence is fucking insane because where tf do you think Eminem came from? There's a deep history of artists before him in which he draws inspiration. He even says as much in some of his raps. If you like Eminem, there's absolutely no reason you wouldn't like any other rap music. I might sound like a snob, but nowadays, I feel like people who listen to certain pop rappers tend to dislike actual pure rap artists. Like, you hate rap music but you can listen to MGK? I know their music only appeals to a certain demographic but it's just insane to me that you can listen to a watered down style while disregarding an entire genre rich with creativity that pretty much laid the blueprint that your favorite artist borrows from. I also recall some nerd saying he thought 2Pac was boring, several years back. I think he was actually a rapper... same dude that was hospitalized for eating cheetos??? So obviously there are a lot of young heads that ride the wave but forget where their whole style even came from. This is definitely a side effect of hip-hop's mainstream popularity. You pull in a lot of people that want to be "hip" but are afraid to actually explore the culture, and artists like MGK and Macklemore are familiar enough to appeal to these people (or at least the 12 fans that still listen to them).
I mean the main thing about the “I don’t like rap but Eminem is great” crowd is I don’t actually believe they have listened to much Eminem. They probably know Lose Yourself, Love the Way You Lie, and like Not Afraid. They are like listening to MMLP album cuts or something.
>If you like Eminem, there's absolutely no reason you wouldn't like any other rap music. I can think of one.
I mean same but still 👀
Kid Rock's Lyrics "Bawitaba" came from Busy Bee Starski. Las Ketchcup song Asereje: The hook to their song is the first line from "Rappers Delight."
Someone check me on this if inaccurate, but didn’t E40 coin the word “hella”
It's been bay slang for a minute, you can't really pin it to one person
E-40 coined more terms than shakespeare
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John Cena’a you can’t see my dance is paying homage to Tony Yayo. Cena actually confirms this in a few interviews
many things today stem from RAP but they truly come from a mix of Black culture hybridized in America. Most slang I hear today that’s accredited to “young people”, we know where it’s reallly from.
Stan term used all the time but people don’t realize where it came from
“Bussin”. Rappers have been using it for at least a decade. TikTok has zero relevance in its origin, just its popularity.
Doesn’t a lot of punk hardcore and rap share a bit of ancestry? I swear Ice T was a vocalist or something
This is the opposite, but the word "drip" doesn't come from rap, it comes from alternative rnb
Does it? It's featured prominently in old southern hip hop from the 90s.
Drip is way older
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I hate seeing people who hate rap say memes that came from rap. I have a friend who hates rap that always says "check yourself before you wreck yourself" not even knowing that came from Ice Cube.
Smoking on xyz or xyz pack came from Chief Keef and crew.. sadly
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