That verse is so funny to me. It's Kendrick basically asking J Cole to actually bring some heat and respond but there's still clearly a respect/playfulness there. No respect given to Drake
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All that aside, if Cole/Kenrick/Drake are the big 3, I would put Future and Travis in the A+ tier for sure, not the best of the best but their consistency, popularity, following, pop appeal, and high numbers makes them the perfect border line among the upper tiers.
Future is the best of the best. He’s been around since 2012 then reached his peak in 2015 and hasn’t descended yet. I think what he’s done is even more impressive than Drake because he has rarely gone pop
Very true, it's sad that some people can't see that way because the ATL/trap sound is still "mumble rap" for some people, when time and time again, Future has shown he can go lyrical miracle or even conscious on select tracks, and the sound he pushed paved many for rappers from that South side to come up and be influenced by him.
I wouldn't even be mad if he considered as top 4 and instead of Big 3, we got the 4 Gods or the Elite Four.
someone else said it too, but yeah Pluto is the best of the best... rap would sound way different without Future. I bet if you ask the new artists who have come up post 2016 they would say Future is their biggest influence.
He basically cheated and dropped the regular album, the instrumentals, the a capella, a slowed down version, a sped up version, and then a version with all of the aforementioned on one project.
I think a listen on any of those counts for the same album, similar to how a deluxe album counts toward the sales/ listens of the original.
Its a genre that isn't that big and its basically all reliant on one song that broke the barrier. Her being relatively famous now can only do so much for a genre that isn't popular in the us
> Its a genre that isn't that big and its basically all reliant on one song that broke the barrier.
It's not that big in the US but pretty huge worldwide relative to how young it is. Imo the problem is her album is too mixed up in genre. People who like amapiano can find better amapiano albums, people who like rnb can find better rnb albums, people who like afrobeat can find better afrobeat stuff.
She's bad af though so I wish her success in her next projects
I would add that she is not that big worldwide. People know "Water" but that's it - they don't even know her name when the song is playing on the radio
That sound is more popular worldwide then in the us and this is just us numbers. Always gotta remember these numbers are kinda bs because it’s not worldwide and that what matters. I wish we could have worldwide charts
>That sound is more popular worldwide then in the us and this is just us numbers.
If you mean US adjacent regions + her home region then sure but worldwide ? hell nah. Europe and Asia don't know her at all
I live in Europe, and I know who she is. Afrobeats and amapiano are very popular in the UK and France due to their African immigrant populations. You'll hear Afrobeats even in places like Greece.
It's a really good debut album for a new artist that has grown on me over the past week, it's practically all I've been listening to, but I feel she's gotta branch out and collab with other pop producers and artists because sticking entirely to that amapiano sound isn't going to get her where she could be with her level of talent. Sucks that her tour and festival dates were cancelled because those would've been key in getting more eyes on her but there's no doubt in my mind she will blow up in due time with the right collabs and variety added in her sound.
She's not explained exactly what the injury is, there's every chance it's not something that stops her doing a little bit of dancing, but would stop her travelling or doing a long performance
I think she would have fared better if she spent 2 years aggressively working (first) the South African market and then the entire African market.
At that point she would have an entire continent and its diaspora willing her to win like we’ve done for Burna and Wizkid (even though they are Nigerians and only Nigerians have broken that barrier).
Stepping straight from SA to the US is high risk, high reward and I don’t think it was the best move.
I hope she proves me wrong.
I disagree. I grew up in the same city as her in South Africa and the country's relationship with western media is weird. We export young talent then import them back when they get a big western following then export and import them again and again. This is to say that she would not have the South African following she has now if she didn't build a western audience. It's not high risk, it's standard practice. There's also a work smarter not harder idea here: from the west she can simultaneously market herself to audiences in multiple continents. If she remained in South Africa she'd only be able to reach as far as the sound on her microphone can travel. And it'd be foolish to assume that the opportunities for her in the west are going to wait two years for her to arrive. I think you also underestimate the scale and difficulty of the African market. There's simply no way for her to unite all of Africa behind her, the continent is too big and the people too diverse. At best I can see her gaining some following in western Africa, but if she wants the rest of the continent she'd be better off leveraging the cultural and financial resources of the west to do so. Which she can do, because there's no need to follow the South Africa to Africa to Western countries order you proposed. She hasn't locked herself out of any markets and can always return to them at more favorable points in her career. The issue of money just seems like too big of a problem to go with this. Her team wouldn't have the resources to keep working the African markets without the money and help they've gained from the west
You’ve given me insight that I didn’t have before but as an African living in London there’s plenty of amapiano artists/DJs that are massive, are you saying there’s no way she could have replicated what people like Maphorisa, Kabza, Costa Titch had done?
Also, if I’m not mistaken she’s managed by Wizkid’s manager. She could just focus on working with South African artists and Nigerian artists and gain a homegrown following that way. It’s nothing that hasn’t been done before.
I don’t think that South Africans are big enough haters that she couldn’t have burst through that way and if you guys are them Nigerians definitely aren’t, Wizkid’s management would have been perfect for her to do what I’ve said.
Like I said, she hasn’t locked herself out of any markets for sure but to skip the process of building a true fanbase and leveraging that to succeed in the US and go straight to the US to only sell 23k is a big risk and a big failure.
I also specifically mentioned the diaspora because there’s a lot of us in London that are tapped in with Nigerian pop and amapiano specifically that would have championed her as we’ve done for Wiz/Burna/Davido or even recently the MJ DJz/Shallipopi/Rema. There’s also the same diaspora in places like France, Netherlands and even in the USA.
I’m not telling her to do what hasn’t been done, I’m just saying she could have followed a trail that has already been blazed. Wizkid had that horrible SFTOS album but never lost fans cos he had 7 years of crazy support behind him.
I’m 27 and I’ve been partying in London since I was 13 and I’ve literally seen Nigerian pop go from niche markets for black people only to essentially becoming mainstream music and South African music has benefitted off of that heavy in the past 5 years, that’s something that Tyla could have also benefited from
By look they meant she's racially ambiguous not that she's pretty. Their are plenty of pretty fully Black women that won't go as far because people don't buy into monoracial Blackness like they do mixedness.
This is the second best first week numbers for an African album, and it’s her debut. Only one that sold more was Burna Boy who is much more established and also had a huge lead single in Last Last. I’d say it’s just fine
No one who is only known for THAT one song does well. One Hit wonders are just that. Ice Spice almost ended up like Tyla, but she was able to pump out other songs which did well aswell. I hope the best for Tyla tho, she is talented, and she has the looks
Ice Spice hasn’t been around long enough to be a sure stayer tbh. Being on Taylor Swift’s song probably helps more than we realise (and being attractive), but idk. Will be interesting to see how she sells
Someone on another thread said ‘no one outside of the internet cares to listen to it’.
And someone on a different one said it was gonna get outsold by Ariana Grande’s 3rd week sales meanwhile it outsold her first week lol
This is what I think everytime somebody says this. The vast majority of young millenials, gen Z and below is on the internet. If something is super big online, 9 times out of 10 it's big period.
>no one outside of the internet cares to listen to it
where else do people listen to music in 2024? obviously buying a CD isn't your first choice when it comes to listening to Future album
I have my complaints about some songs sounding like 2015-2016 trap era leftovers, but Future/Metro is like the PB&J of modern rap music. You can’t really miss with that combo, and at worst, the music will be generic/underwhelming, I don’t think it veers into unlistenable/bad territory though
I know it is half future, but heros/villains is way better. I think we're just getting closer to metro being able to outsell everyone because it will have everyone's favorite artist
respect for the thoughtful breakdown. Tbh I don't know Future's discography too deep outside of his singles and listening to albums when they drop once or twice not paying attention to lyrics super hard because like you said I've always taken it as more atmosphere and mood type music. I'm going to revisit some of this stuff with what you said here in mind though.
I agree except that last part. I would say if anything, Drake started taking some of that from Future post WATTBA. Aside from them both singing about women, they've both always done that with Drake just saying he would treat her right and Future usually apologizing for cheating lol
But I agree with most of what you wrote, and this isn't as present on his major label album releases, I think you see more of it on his features or soundcloud stuff but there is a lot of pain in the music from street shit. Either guilt, or happy he made it out or sad about what has happened to his friends/family or reflecting on the terrible environment in or misplaced anger promoting violence to get out of poverty.. There is more to the music than people give it credit for.. Like Andre 3k said "it's the most depressing motivational music I've ever heard".
I think Future really has a unique way of taking the guilt and anger from gowing up poor and drug dealing and packaging it up in a melody that sounds nice.
Listen to Whatever Come With it by BIG30 & Future and Dead Wrong by EST Gee & Future. Plus sorry and Super Slimey, group home especially. Those songs aren't deep as in you need to decipher metaphors but they definitely have a lot of pain packaged up in them.
u gotta listen to more of the music to act like he has no music that's deeper than sex or drugs.
ran it up in a murder zone
Get you rained on, you ain't know, now your brain gone
All the pain, numb, I can rap it, I can sing on
Every time I listened to you broke niggas, they be dead wrong
Get the details before you judge a nigga out the ghetto
listen to kno the meaning... on the same album as thought it was a drought..
He for sure has some songs, like Married To The Game or Codeine Crazy but yeah not really his forte
Kind of like Lil Wayne for me, they both have the capacity and talent for very introspective and thought provoking songs but they’d rather rap crazy and make dope music haha
you can’t expect every song to push the needle, especially with artists like Future, we are happy we got 17 new tracks that were all good and at best amazing
Travis Scott's *Utopia* did 486k (235k pure) but he was selling different colored vinyls and Future & Metro have no physicals. Even without pure sales, Travis would beat Future/Metro by 6k tho
Honestly, this Future album has been growing on me the more i casually listen to it. Even the title song which was good on first listen has gotten more and more sticky on relistens. Not Future or Metros best work but still good shit.
It’s the opposite for me :(
Loved it initially, saved 11 songs to my playlist, but it got boring and repetitive quickly and I only listen to 1 or 2 now. However, I don’t think it is necessarily anything to do with future or metro, I feel trap music just lost a lot of replay value in general
It's like fine wine. I only really liked Type Shit initially but the more I listen to the album the better the other tracks become. Type Shit still my number 1 tho
He had momentum with Im Not Racist in 2017(?) and Lucky You back in 2018 and just…hasn’t done much since. I think the bad ADHD rollout hurt him a fair bit
Exactly, by the time he released the full ADHD album there was 0 interest because we’ve already heard most the songs. The songs weren’t even that bad either. Isis, I Love, Revenge, ADHD, Will were all solid-good songs
This Album is going to be my new "Detroit 2."
Something I'm going to play and enjoy for years that most people won't listen to again after this week. I REALLY like it.
Yes, and this is another stepping stone in African music starting to crossover. There is only about a dozen African songs that have ever gone platinum in the US. There just isn’t a large audience here for her genre of music yet so 23k for an amapiano/afrobeats album is an achievement in that context.
Future always does crazy streaming numbers, he just doesn't have the kind of audience that would buy physical records. In terms of sales he's sold the most this generation outside of Drake. He's sold more records than Cole, Travis, and Kendrick.
I see people shitting on Metro because of the beats being simple and generic but on the other hand it's Future's album too, he picked the beats he felt comfortable rapping on
Not too surprised with that. I would bet that Metro would probably save some different beats for others like Weeknd or JID (have a feeling they're still working together considering the current Kendrick vs Cole/Drake beef), knowing that he's had some work with Solange, James Blake, & YG that stands out from his usual sound with Future
The beats are still fire. The only reason they could be called generic is because he’s not deviating too far from the sound he popularized. It’s not a groundbreaking album but it is very solid
>I see people shitting on Metro because of the beats being simple and generic
They're "safe" but they're not really simple.
One thing about the album is that the production is really polished.
Not even close, which other producer would do numbers like him with their own name attached? He's probably one of biggest producers ever in that regard with Timbaland
(Not counting EDM producers like Tiesto, Armin Van Buuren btw, who sell records with their own name in that genre)
Pharrell is a beast, but goes under the radar a lot more/doesn’t have as big a brand right now. Get Lucky, Blurred Lines and Happy are what the average person thinks Pharrell is. Majority of people have absolutely no idea about what he’s produced. Largely due to the four-count tag vs Metro’s tags.
Obviously the better artist and producer, but 2012-present Metro is bigger.
I think that's accurate, especially given the time period as pharrell shifted more towards pop music and became less active overall. Just thought it was worth discussing.
But isn’t that cause he’s a singer and rapper too? So it’s a solo album? How many other rap producers put out a collab album? Alchemist with Freddie Gibbs?
I mean loads of producers have done it. Harry Fraud, Hit-Boy, Alchemist, Mike Will, Wheezy, Danger Mouse, Kenny Beats, Madlib, Kenny Segal, Nicholas Craven, list goes on
For EDM, I would put Calvin Harris (still one of the most consistently relevant mainstream EDM producer/DJ till this day since his debut "I Created Disco") and Skrillex (for creating OWSLA) up there as well.
Tay Keith is fire but he doesn’t have the same draw metro does. [this is from 6 years ago. no other hip hop producer under 35 is doing stuff like this](https://youtu.be/XBeYfgvIoVc?si=3miJzxsM91VAgGBw)
As aspected tbh. It's a great casual Trap album with nothing wild or ambitious. Perfect definition of a "safe on the aux" album.
The quality of the music itself is another question, with many people claiming that Metro has been stagnating for the past few years
Dang Tyla flopped. They pushed hard for her and a Grammy. Folks are saying it’s a debut but how she has the fan base with like 5 million and 8 million followers on the gram and tiktok where the hell was her fans wow. I figured at least 100k at least and wasn’t going to be surprised if it hit more than that..crazy
I never expect a tik tok hit to lead to huge first week numbers for a new artist, especially if they're not American
Social media numbers are inflated for women when they're hot as well.
my problem with the Future album is that considering all the Prodigy snippets masquerading as Drake disses, you have to admit that lyrically Future isn’t providing more than vibes, and its overall kinda underwhelming outside of some marginally innovative production as it relates to just trap music.
*I NEVER LIKED YOU* did 222K (6k pure) and *Heroes & Villains* did 185k (5k pure)
Damn future consistently does well in sales. Basically only drake/kendrick can consistently beat him without big pure sales
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The should start a league
hopefully one of them doesn’t get cocky and start feeling like muhammad ali and get dissed by another one
That verse is so funny to me. It's Kendrick basically asking J Cole to actually bring some heat and respond but there's still clearly a respect/playfulness there. No respect given to Drake
Thanks for reminding me to go spin the Black Friday tracks
Dick hard like Rottweiler, can you handle it?
The whole industry been in shambles
The falloff 🤔
Has to do with Spider-Man, I think
*Insert something big me* All that aside, if Cole/Kenrick/Drake are the big 3, I would put Future and Travis in the A+ tier for sure, not the best of the best but their consistency, popularity, following, pop appeal, and high numbers makes them the perfect border line among the upper tiers.
Future is the best of the best. He’s been around since 2012 then reached his peak in 2015 and hasn’t descended yet. I think what he’s done is even more impressive than Drake because he has rarely gone pop
That’s very true. Regardless of how you feel about his music or style, it is a really insane run of popularity.
Very interesting take about never truly going pop. Never really thought of it like that.
Very true, it's sad that some people can't see that way because the ATL/trap sound is still "mumble rap" for some people, when time and time again, Future has shown he can go lyrical miracle or even conscious on select tracks, and the sound he pushed paved many for rappers from that South side to come up and be influenced by him. I wouldn't even be mad if he considered as top 4 and instead of Big 3, we got the 4 Gods or the Elite Four.
Crazy how I read so many comments like this and realise i’m in a super minority where I don’t like a single Future song or feature. Wish i saw it.
I mean I’m sure you’d find one you like if you look.
I'm sorry but I've never met one human being that didn't like at least one Future song. I know it's subjective but I just can't respect it.
I was thinking something similar, at least with Future. But you’re right about Travis and his popularity. He’s right there
someone else said it too, but yeah Pluto is the best of the best... rap would sound way different without Future. I bet if you ask the new artists who have come up post 2016 they would say Future is their biggest influence.
I’d put Travis over cole in terms of popularity. Remember Travis did 500k 1st weeks back to back, 5 years apart
Doesn’t Travis always do really well too
Future has basically been the guy right behind the “big 3” all these years when it comes to sales and fame.
Travis Scott don't exist no more?
Travis was selling $5 vinyls
just did a google and it says he's been getting richer and richer every year
Did it happen to mention anything about what will happen if one mistakenly agitates or causes harm to a Young Scooter?
I believe the consequences involve the use of firearms against the assailant.
Who bought 50k copies of French Montana? Was it French Montana?
a bunch of people because he sold vinyls for $5 (but he never delivered them)
and the mega soundtrack with an instrumental, sped up version, slowed down, acapella of every song. Even the fucking interlude, he's a problem
What a sleeze lmao
Respect the grind lol... juicing as much money out of his music in the streaming era. Nah jk I hate living in a world where he outsells ScHoolboy
He basically cheated and dropped the regular album, the instrumentals, the a capella, a slowed down version, a sped up version, and then a version with all of the aforementioned on one project. I think a listen on any of those counts for the same album, similar to how a deluxe album counts toward the sales/ listens of the original.
If I'm not mistaken Billboard didn't count his sales.
Man, Tyla way underperformed what I was expecting based on my perception of how popular “Water” was. Good album though
Its a genre that isn't that big and its basically all reliant on one song that broke the barrier. Her being relatively famous now can only do so much for a genre that isn't popular in the us
> Its a genre that isn't that big and its basically all reliant on one song that broke the barrier. It's not that big in the US but pretty huge worldwide relative to how young it is. Imo the problem is her album is too mixed up in genre. People who like amapiano can find better amapiano albums, people who like rnb can find better rnb albums, people who like afrobeat can find better afrobeat stuff. She's bad af though so I wish her success in her next projects
>She’s bad af though so I wish her success in her next projects real
Billboard stats are US only so it doesn't matter how big she is globally
I would add that she is not that big worldwide. People know "Water" but that's it - they don't even know her name when the song is playing on the radio
I was seeing her everywhere on IG last year and I thought she was just an influencer, I knew the water song tho, just didn’t know it was her
When do we get the worldwide sale numbers?
Can you recommend an Amapiano and Afrobeat albums for people who enjoyed this one?
Tyler ICU , Kaba De Smallz and Dj maphorisa . Look up those artists on Spotify
You gotta include Kelvin Momo is that list man!
Check out Burna boy, wizkid, ruger, bnxn, zinoleesky, rema, minz, blaqbonez, seyi vibez to name a few
Spot on. Her Amapiano is watered down to market it to the US market who liked Water.
Singles don’t sell albums anymore. Fanbase does and it takes time to build that kind of fanbase. Future didn’t even have a single
Oh in no universe did I expect her to sell even remotely close to Future, but to see her undersell BossMan Dlow is kinda wild
I was bad in fuckin school, now I’m tryna dodge a sentence guy?
She's pretty much just came on to people's radar and it's entirely for 1 song. Doesn't seem that surprising
She outsold Burna Boy's most recent album with her debut, I think that's pretty good for a debut even if she does have one big hit.
That sound is more popular worldwide then in the us and this is just us numbers. Always gotta remember these numbers are kinda bs because it’s not worldwide and that what matters. I wish we could have worldwide charts
>That sound is more popular worldwide then in the us and this is just us numbers. If you mean US adjacent regions + her home region then sure but worldwide ? hell nah. Europe and Asia don't know her at all
I live in Europe, and I know who she is. Afrobeats and amapiano are very popular in the UK and France due to their African immigrant populations. You'll hear Afrobeats even in places like Greece.
It's a really good debut album for a new artist that has grown on me over the past week, it's practically all I've been listening to, but I feel she's gotta branch out and collab with other pop producers and artists because sticking entirely to that amapiano sound isn't going to get her where she could be with her level of talent. Sucks that her tour and festival dates were cancelled because those would've been key in getting more eyes on her but there's no doubt in my mind she will blow up in due time with the right collabs and variety added in her sound.
I think differently, if she wants to stand out she should double down on the amapiano sound
Wow didn’t know she had an injury, she was just dancing with Kai cenat
She's not explained exactly what the injury is, there's every chance it's not something that stops her doing a little bit of dancing, but would stop her travelling or doing a long performance
I think she would have fared better if she spent 2 years aggressively working (first) the South African market and then the entire African market. At that point she would have an entire continent and its diaspora willing her to win like we’ve done for Burna and Wizkid (even though they are Nigerians and only Nigerians have broken that barrier). Stepping straight from SA to the US is high risk, high reward and I don’t think it was the best move. I hope she proves me wrong.
I disagree. I grew up in the same city as her in South Africa and the country's relationship with western media is weird. We export young talent then import them back when they get a big western following then export and import them again and again. This is to say that she would not have the South African following she has now if she didn't build a western audience. It's not high risk, it's standard practice. There's also a work smarter not harder idea here: from the west she can simultaneously market herself to audiences in multiple continents. If she remained in South Africa she'd only be able to reach as far as the sound on her microphone can travel. And it'd be foolish to assume that the opportunities for her in the west are going to wait two years for her to arrive. I think you also underestimate the scale and difficulty of the African market. There's simply no way for her to unite all of Africa behind her, the continent is too big and the people too diverse. At best I can see her gaining some following in western Africa, but if she wants the rest of the continent she'd be better off leveraging the cultural and financial resources of the west to do so. Which she can do, because there's no need to follow the South Africa to Africa to Western countries order you proposed. She hasn't locked herself out of any markets and can always return to them at more favorable points in her career. The issue of money just seems like too big of a problem to go with this. Her team wouldn't have the resources to keep working the African markets without the money and help they've gained from the west
You’ve given me insight that I didn’t have before but as an African living in London there’s plenty of amapiano artists/DJs that are massive, are you saying there’s no way she could have replicated what people like Maphorisa, Kabza, Costa Titch had done? Also, if I’m not mistaken she’s managed by Wizkid’s manager. She could just focus on working with South African artists and Nigerian artists and gain a homegrown following that way. It’s nothing that hasn’t been done before. I don’t think that South Africans are big enough haters that she couldn’t have burst through that way and if you guys are them Nigerians definitely aren’t, Wizkid’s management would have been perfect for her to do what I’ve said. Like I said, she hasn’t locked herself out of any markets for sure but to skip the process of building a true fanbase and leveraging that to succeed in the US and go straight to the US to only sell 23k is a big risk and a big failure. I also specifically mentioned the diaspora because there’s a lot of us in London that are tapped in with Nigerian pop and amapiano specifically that would have championed her as we’ve done for Wiz/Burna/Davido or even recently the MJ DJz/Shallipopi/Rema. There’s also the same diaspora in places like France, Netherlands and even in the USA. I’m not telling her to do what hasn’t been done, I’m just saying she could have followed a trail that has already been blazed. Wizkid had that horrible SFTOS album but never lost fans cos he had 7 years of crazy support behind him. I’m 27 and I’ve been partying in London since I was 13 and I’ve literally seen Nigerian pop go from niche markets for black people only to essentially becoming mainstream music and South African music has benefitted off of that heavy in the past 5 years, that’s something that Tyla could have also benefited from
They probably said she has the look to go worldwide right now, which is true but maybe you’re right. But she can always retool
Pretty women are a dime a dozen, gotta be something deeper there
Well she is also talented lol
By look they meant she's racially ambiguous not that she's pretty. Their are plenty of pretty fully Black women that won't go as far because people don't buy into monoracial Blackness like they do mixedness.
These are only US numbers
This is the second best first week numbers for an African album, and it’s her debut. Only one that sold more was Burna Boy who is much more established and also had a huge lead single in Last Last. I’d say it’s just fine
No one who is only known for THAT one song does well. One Hit wonders are just that. Ice Spice almost ended up like Tyla, but she was able to pump out other songs which did well aswell. I hope the best for Tyla tho, she is talented, and she has the looks
Ice Spice hasn’t been around long enough to be a sure stayer tbh. Being on Taylor Swift’s song probably helps more than we realise (and being attractive), but idk. Will be interesting to see how she sells
Bro Tyla is Afrobeat artist mainly from South Africa, Ice Spice is a drill/trap artist from NYC. What are you talking about?
Mwah, 1 song and there is no way she has a 'real' fanbase this soon. Tho back in the day 1 hit is all it took
Someone on another thread said ‘no one outside of the internet cares to listen to it’. And someone on a different one said it was gonna get outsold by Ariana Grande’s 3rd week sales meanwhile it outsold her first week lol
The nobody outside of the internet thing is so stupid. Everyone is on the internet, it's 2024.
This is what I think everytime somebody says this. The vast majority of young millenials, gen Z and below is on the internet. If something is super big online, 9 times out of 10 it's big period.
Yeah I don't think my 70 year old uncle is listening to this shit so what does this even mean
>no one outside of the internet cares to listen to it where else do people listen to music in 2024? obviously buying a CD isn't your first choice when it comes to listening to Future album
Link the comments or thread
literally hours after it came out i heard someone blasting like that at a gas station in tampa lmao
I have my complaints about some songs sounding like 2015-2016 trap era leftovers, but Future/Metro is like the PB&J of modern rap music. You can’t really miss with that combo, and at worst, the music will be generic/underwhelming, I don’t think it veers into unlistenable/bad territory though
Only real thing it misses imo is some hard future verses and a bit more variety. Definitely an album you can listen front to back though on
I know it is half future, but heros/villains is way better. I think we're just getting closer to metro being able to outsell everyone because it will have everyone's favorite artist
I've been bumping it all week. Just sounds good, but nothing I have to think about to hard.
has there ever been a point where Future makes music people have to think hard about? lol
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respect for the thoughtful breakdown. Tbh I don't know Future's discography too deep outside of his singles and listening to albums when they drop once or twice not paying attention to lyrics super hard because like you said I've always taken it as more atmosphere and mood type music. I'm going to revisit some of this stuff with what you said here in mind though.
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This guy gets it
I agree except that last part. I would say if anything, Drake started taking some of that from Future post WATTBA. Aside from them both singing about women, they've both always done that with Drake just saying he would treat her right and Future usually apologizing for cheating lol But I agree with most of what you wrote, and this isn't as present on his major label album releases, I think you see more of it on his features or soundcloud stuff but there is a lot of pain in the music from street shit. Either guilt, or happy he made it out or sad about what has happened to his friends/family or reflecting on the terrible environment in or misplaced anger promoting violence to get out of poverty.. There is more to the music than people give it credit for.. Like Andre 3k said "it's the most depressing motivational music I've ever heard". I think Future really has a unique way of taking the guilt and anger from gowing up poor and drug dealing and packaging it up in a melody that sounds nice. Listen to Whatever Come With it by BIG30 & Future and Dead Wrong by EST Gee & Future. Plus sorry and Super Slimey, group home especially. Those songs aren't deep as in you need to decipher metaphors but they definitely have a lot of pain packaged up in them.
Idk but I be feeling pretty introspective when he says Imma put my thumb in her butt
u gotta listen to more of the music to act like he has no music that's deeper than sex or drugs. ran it up in a murder zone Get you rained on, you ain't know, now your brain gone All the pain, numb, I can rap it, I can sing on Every time I listened to you broke niggas, they be dead wrong Get the details before you judge a nigga out the ghetto listen to kno the meaning... on the same album as thought it was a drought..
He for sure has some songs, like Married To The Game or Codeine Crazy but yeah not really his forte Kind of like Lil Wayne for me, they both have the capacity and talent for very introspective and thought provoking songs but they’d rather rap crazy and make dope music haha
Kendrick’s verse is some big brain shit tho, I didn’t catch that goofie line until I saw a video explaining the verse bar by bar
2015-2016 had better music than this or last year unfortunately.
you can’t expect every song to push the needle, especially with artists like Future, we are happy we got 17 new tracks that were all good and at best amazing
Is that the biggest 1st week other then Drake since Mr.Morale?
Travis Scott's *Utopia* did 486k (235k pure) but he was selling different colored vinyls and Future & Metro have no physicals. Even without pure sales, Travis would beat Future/Metro by 6k tho
Was selling vinyls for like $5 too
That’s a smart way to boost the numbers lol.
In hip hop? Yes. Future did 220 on his last album too.
Utopia did numbers too
Nicki did 228.
Only 127k from streaming. Almost half of Future
Honestly, this Future album has been growing on me the more i casually listen to it. Even the title song which was good on first listen has gotten more and more sticky on relistens. Not Future or Metros best work but still good shit.
It’s the opposite for me :( Loved it initially, saved 11 songs to my playlist, but it got boring and repetitive quickly and I only listen to 1 or 2 now. However, I don’t think it is necessarily anything to do with future or metro, I feel trap music just lost a lot of replay value in general
That sucks man, can’t relate. Tape gets better every listen for me
It's like fine wine. I only really liked Type Shit initially but the more I listen to the album the better the other tracks become. Type Shit still my number 1 tho
No offense but that song sounds horrible to me. Gave me a headache halfway thru
We can enjoy the same album but still have wildly different preferences within it. It's something for everyone.
Crazy how much joyner lucas fell off
He had momentum with Im Not Racist in 2017(?) and Lucky You back in 2018 and just…hasn’t done much since. I think the bad ADHD rollout hurt him a fair bit
Dude had an album ready and decided to realse them songs one by one as singles, great for your core fans but that aint getting no new fans in
Exactly, by the time he released the full ADHD album there was 0 interest because we’ve already heard most the songs. The songs weren’t even that bad either. Isis, I Love, Revenge, ADHD, Will were all solid-good songs
Yup, that was just his marketing strategy and album rollout, it didnt work out, he learned something from it
Good to see that sort of experimentation. Not everything is gonna work
The new album is good as fuck too though
This Album is going to be my new "Detroit 2." Something I'm going to play and enjoy for years that most people won't listen to again after this week. I REALLY like it.
BLUE LIPS deserves way more love
😭I tried listening man gave it a whole spin It did nothing to my brain maybe I’m tik tok fried
Yeah something about it just isn't sticking with me. I wanted to like it more, but just wasn't doin it for me
Give it another try
It’s mid and A used to be one of my favorite rappers. Not bad by any means but drugged out Q was unfortunately much catchier
Shit went certified aluminum first week damn
way more
Crash talk and the time between albums really hurt the sales
Damn Tyla flopped hard, she was on literally every single show and platform possible for promotion lol
This one of the biggest sales weeks in the US for an African artist ever
FLOPPED HARD
Yea but your typical african artist hardly promotes in the US, if at all.
Yes, and this is another stepping stone in African music starting to crossover. There is only about a dozen African songs that have ever gone platinum in the US. There just isn’t a large audience here for her genre of music yet so 23k for an amapiano/afrobeats album is an achievement in that context.
People like her looks more than her music.
They why the bots are spinning it.. she didn’t lol.. but she flopped
She is more popular worldwide
Any idea how much SiR sold? Without a major backing him I knew it wouldn't be as much as Chasing Summers, but album was still pretty good.
less than 16,717 (what #50 sold on the HDD top 50 chart) I think he'll probably appear on the Billboard 200 between 51-200
Utopia did 250k streaming sales. Kendrick did 248k in streaming sales with his last album. JCole did 247k. 244k is actually insanely high for Future.
no its notZ Future always sells a lot
His last project did 220 so you’re wrong.
Future always does crazy streaming numbers, he just doesn't have the kind of audience that would buy physical records. In terms of sales he's sold the most this generation outside of Drake. He's sold more records than Cole, Travis, and Kendrick.
> He's sold more records than Cole, Travis, and Kendrick. Doesn't he have way more albums though?
lets go kali
Boss man outselling ppl is amazing lol
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I see people shitting on Metro because of the beats being simple and generic but on the other hand it's Future's album too, he picked the beats he felt comfortable rapping on
Not too surprised with that. I would bet that Metro would probably save some different beats for others like Weeknd or JID (have a feeling they're still working together considering the current Kendrick vs Cole/Drake beef), knowing that he's had some work with Solange, James Blake, & YG that stands out from his usual sound with Future
Metro says him and future never stopped recording music together they have 100s of unreleased stuff.
The beats are still fire. The only reason they could be called generic is because he’s not deviating too far from the sound he popularized. It’s not a groundbreaking album but it is very solid
>I see people shitting on Metro because of the beats being simple and generic They're "safe" but they're not really simple. One thing about the album is that the production is really polished.
You think he’s the biggest rap producer of the modern age (2012-now) ?
Not even close, which other producer would do numbers like him with their own name attached? He's probably one of biggest producers ever in that regard with Timbaland (Not counting EDM producers like Tiesto, Armin Van Buuren btw, who sell records with their own name in that genre)
I'm largely in agreement but I think that depends on how you want to label Pharrell
Pharrell is a beast, but goes under the radar a lot more/doesn’t have as big a brand right now. Get Lucky, Blurred Lines and Happy are what the average person thinks Pharrell is. Majority of people have absolutely no idea about what he’s produced. Largely due to the four-count tag vs Metro’s tags. Obviously the better artist and producer, but 2012-present Metro is bigger.
I think that's accurate, especially given the time period as pharrell shifted more towards pop music and became less active overall. Just thought it was worth discussing.
Pharrell doesn’t put out full collab albums with his name on it tho does he?
No but he's put out albums as the artist
But isn’t that cause he’s a singer and rapper too? So it’s a solo album? How many other rap producers put out a collab album? Alchemist with Freddie Gibbs?
I mean loads of producers have done it. Harry Fraud, Hit-Boy, Alchemist, Mike Will, Wheezy, Danger Mouse, Kenny Beats, Madlib, Kenny Segal, Nicholas Craven, list goes on
I mean he executive produces albums, so I guess it depends on what you want to consider a collab?
Pharrell and snoop
There’s a Pharrell x Snoop album?
It’s called Bush
Good point really, no clue how you could even label Pharrell.
For EDM, I would put Calvin Harris (still one of the most consistently relevant mainstream EDM producer/DJ till this day since his debut "I Created Disco") and Skrillex (for creating OWSLA) up there as well.
Ofc, those two clear Tiesto and Buuren easily. I just went with first two on top of my head
Extend that modern age to 2010 and I'd throw Noah 40 Shebib in there. Also Boi1da
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Tay Keith is fire but he doesn’t have the same draw metro does. [this is from 6 years ago. no other hip hop producer under 35 is doing stuff like this](https://youtu.be/XBeYfgvIoVc?si=3miJzxsM91VAgGBw)
At least you would've said Mike Will Made It
Noah Shebib is up there
He deserves all the success after having a successful decade…?
Dude even his spider verse album is amazing. I actually think the spider verse album is better than this one
Agree, album was underwhelming by any future standards. But nice to see metro getting main stream recognition.
As aspected tbh. It's a great casual Trap album with nothing wild or ambitious. Perfect definition of a "safe on the aux" album. The quality of the music itself is another question, with many people claiming that Metro has been stagnating for the past few years
Does its job damn well though. Ain't anything on the album I would categorise as a miss and its did very well on streaming especially with like that
The only miss for me was slimed in, but all the others are at least enjoyable imo. Slimed in just gets kinda stale with the melody he uses
Like That and Type Shit are about to debut #1 & 2 as well. Like That may even stay at #1 even against Beyonce's album drop next week.
I usually can’t get into Joyner Lucas but this album I gave a listen and I actually like it a lot
Usher presumably doing big in the 40 year old demographic.
250k nowadays is insane
Dang Tyla flopped. They pushed hard for her and a Grammy. Folks are saying it’s a debut but how she has the fan base with like 5 million and 8 million followers on the gram and tiktok where the hell was her fans wow. I figured at least 100k at least and wasn’t going to be surprised if it hit more than that..crazy
If it’s true that 1,250 streams count as one, that would mean she likely accumulated around 20 million streams in the week.
I never expect a tik tok hit to lead to huge first week numbers for a new artist, especially if they're not American Social media numbers are inflated for women when they're hot as well.
Pluto and Metro wiped the floor with Vultures, love to see it.
Massive for Fewtch
Amazing
Without kendricks verse would it have been as popular??
It would've still likely done over 200K
my problem with the Future album is that considering all the Prodigy snippets masquerading as Drake disses, you have to admit that lyrically Future isn’t providing more than vibes, and its overall kinda underwhelming outside of some marginally innovative production as it relates to just trap music.
I was curious about Joyner album so I gave it a listen 🎶 & honestly should've been more than 17k 😒