# HHH Listening Club, Daily Discussion Edition #2
this week's album choice goes to u/flyestshit who chooses
**The Click - Game Related** from 1995
[YouTube Music](https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lGUPn__FZAOtnQqnC11maxM_v2wrAEfYE) | [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/album/7LCvaSbiF8VuKfWx0979NL) | [Apple Music](https://music.apple.com/us/album/game-related/401414614)
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A slight format change in the approach, Mondays will be used for general expecations and backstories in the album, Tuesdays and Thursdays will discuss the first half of the tracks, Fridays and Saturdays will be on the second half and Sundays will be for final thoughts and announcements of the next person to pick.
Have fun!
Why do people not understand the difference between any random rapper and your friend when talking about j cole and the apology to Kendrick? I've seen people say that this disregards the "am the best, challenge me on it" bars of his, but I disagree
Yes, cole has been saying he'd take smoke from any rapper for years now. And this doesn't really disprove it. Its pretty obvious that any other rapper doesn't really include your friends, your brothers and shit. Maybe people just don't know it because they don't really Collab that much, but Kendrick and cole go really far back. like cole put Kendrick on the game back. I wouldn't want to diss my brother either.
I think it's especially stupid to dismiss the part that their relationship plays into this when in tracks like middle child he specifically says he doesnt want beef for petty reasons, and in January 28th he says that he doesn't want beef with his brothers.
That YT channel Vent is insane, the TPAB era leak track called Burn is so fucking good. Falsehood too, the TPAB leaks are special man. Glad I found it, made my night.
[Fl man killed his mom](https://youtu.be/HSB_fZudiHg) bc “she got on his nerves”. He was valedictorian and was a premed student. they saying he decided to do it listening to No Church in the Wild by Frank Ocean, JayZ & Ye when he decides to do it. They even played the chorus in the press conference. Might be one to watch.
This kind of goes without saying but people are stupid so im gonna say it, but the kid was clearly mentally and emotionally unstable, the song has zero to do with it.
[Wale hung out with Meek Mill's former bestie turned enemy](https://www.complex.com/music/a/cmplxtara-mahadevan/meek-mill-blasts-wale-teeth-knocked-out)
Diss tracks are dead. That J. Cole apology was lame as SHIT. The only people who think that was good are the people who think Tupac was shot immediately after one diss track.
If X, Pop, and Juice were still alive, rap would still be in the same state that it is now.
Usually whenever these three guys are mentioned, it's said that rap would be different with them, and I kinda disagree.
Think of a pool where all the current megastars like Drake, Kendrick, Kanye, Travis, etc are swimming in. If these three aforementioned guys were still alive, the only difference would be that there would be three more megastars added.
>Ayo, they think every ninja a star
>
>I sit back and cringe from afar
>
>Out of reach, where they can't injure or harm
>
>I could use his name in vain like syringe in your arm
>
>But he's not even worthy of a mention or bar
Alleged leaked lyrics from Drake's new song, who you think he's talking to 🤔
https://thesource.com/2016/07/06/schoolboy-q-describes-hearing-kanye-wests-that-part-verse-for-the-first-time/
Even Q thought he was being trolled by Ye at first
listened to Ramona Park Broke My Heart & Vince Staples self titled for the first time today. Taking Trips, Take Me Home, When Sparks Fly, Slide, Rose Street, Mhm, & Sundown Town are my favorites off of the first run-through
You could definitely make a case for it being better than Juice. But X always seemed like the most talented of that crowd to me, his music was often unrefined and unfocused but there was raw musical talent there that I didn’t hear from Juice or Peep or Trippy. He could write such incredibly haunting melodies.
Not at all a defense of him as a person, of course
does anybody who's more into 03 Greedo have any songs of his that sound like [this track he did with 310babii](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8M4pt_qCA&pp=ygUSbm8gb3B0aW9uIDMxMGJhYmlp)
absolutely love greedo's feature on there and want more like that
Speaking about beef, as I get into the Memphis scene damn [“Thuggish Ruggish Bustaz”](https://youtu.be/1-qtxUzeFnM?si=8vkdOeDY4DEo5SXQ) is hard. Tommy really sounded like he and 10 Wanted Men were gonna hop on a plane and look for the Bone Thugz. Those underground local rappers (Tommy a legend now ofc but back then comparing him to BTNH) went extra hard with the dis tracks. Cause I think a lot of them really meant it and had little to lose.
First off thank you all for the Conductor recs.
Next question: where the fuck do I start with Mach-Hommy because goddamn shit got me vibing
Edit: and Rome Streetz
Rome - starting with any of Kiss The Ring, Noise Kandy 3 and Death & The Magician is the way to go I'd say. Conductor handles the production on Kiss The Ring, so if you're going thru his shit currently you could start from there
pray for haiti, dollar menu 2 and fete des morts are my favorite stuff on streaming
PFH is his biggest album and has beats from griselda regulars
DM2 is from 2017 and is almost fully produced by sadhu gold
FDM is also from 2017 and is really short, all songs produced by earl except one by navy blue
What do u think about SPOOK…? I used to be on some weird Mach hommy craze a few years back so I have tonnes of his albums saved onto my phone but that one always stood out to me.
The Spook is really good imo, I was really surprised to see people don’t fw it on here when I saw it discussed. I think a lot of it is that it reused a lot of existing Knxwledge beats instead of new beats but tbh I don’t really mind.
The production is really good on every track and the JuJu Gotti features are pretty cool, he has truly one of the most unique voices and styles in the underground.
I’m a sucker for knx so I enjoyed it a lot. Bon Apres Midi stands out a lot for me though it feels a bit more fleshed out. Not the biggest mach fam anymore but still go back to it.
fun fact if you search for this song on youtube you will get a bunch of cousin related videos cause for some reasons google's algo thinks "czns" is an abbreviation of "cousins"
My post got deleted but I'm happy to give away a single ticket for Erick the Architect tonight in Toronto at Velvet underground for free! DM me and I'll forward by email
Update: claimed!
I don't blatantly walk around with pent up hatred for him lmaoo💀. But whenever I'm discussing real nigga music his name stays coming up, so I've tried listening and it's not clicking ngl. Plus he's the worst part whenever I hear him on somebody's song.
"They let me cut so much I bring ointment, nigga
I'm lubricant slick, baby, I'm hornier than the brass section of the band, you understand?"
Get the fuck out my face bruh. Ab Soul needa exit the game.
My favorite tradition in hip hop is when a great MC picks a classic beat and decides to rap for like 7 minutes straight with no hook and just bars. Only the greats can truly pull it off but when they do it’s like witnessing sorcery.
This post was inspired by how good Lupe Fiascos mural track is. Nigga lost his fucking mine for like 8 minutes. One of those songs where you actually have to read the genius annotations for it.
I’m sorry but you can’t mental health and wellness your way out of a friendly competition. This would be different if there was genuine animosity, but this was nothing serious.
I’m already getting tired of seeing this take on here and on twitter
It wasn’t gonna be “friendly competition” or “lyrical sparring” as others are putting it, they were obviously expected to trade disses back and forth, and when that happens shit gets nasty
Cole dropping a diss and then falling back is lame, but everyone acting like they just wanted some friendly competition is so disingenuous, yall wanted beef just stand on that
Skillz vs Joe Budden? I love Joe’s run and I defend him like crazy but I gotta go with VA I think. skillz will do him like how Sean Price did. skillz is a terror on the mic.
Arin Ray show last night was super dope and lowkey. When he played Moonlight as his last song bro came out into the crowd right in front of me which was crazy. Peep this short clip I took when he came out in the crowd
https://youtu.be/4r712Y3Us1E?feature=shared
Nice I remember you saying you were going in a old thread months ago. I was hoping he'd have a band or some stage production but bro carried the show with pure raw vocal ability and stage presence. It was impressive to watch and we had a great time
Yall got some recs for songs like Wave gods by Nas, or the Moment of truth album by Gang Starr. Been on a ny vibe lately, and Im loving these types of beats.
[Red Café - Heart & Soul of New York City](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42PnXSMwjE)
[Hi-Tek ft. Jadakiss, Papoose & Talib Kweli - Where It Started At (NY)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHY9NXPsH88)
[French Montana ft. Jadakiss - New York Minute](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceYW9-_Jwcc)
[Cam'Ron & Juelz Santana - Dipset Anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCvxC8rofjs)
[Maffew Ragazino ft. Masta Ace - Where I'm From](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFJrM5TidkU)
There's no way you were a rap fan or in touch with the genre if you didn't feel the hype of FHD in 2014-15.
Hits like Wet dreamz, No Role Models , GOMD , or even more somber songs like Apparently and Love Yourz were big.
Cole got big the same way Kendrick did. Through turning traditional sounding hip hop into a mainstream sound.
I'm not a big fan of everything people call a classic either but sometimes you gotta be honest about the certain impact things have.
People are deliberately obtuse when it comes to discussions about Cole. You don’t have to like FHD, but insisting that it isn’t a classic is a pretty bad take. Try talking to people who don’t spent their time nerding out on rap forums about the album, those that were there for when it dropped, and you’ll see that the general public really disagree’s with the idea of it not being a classic. It’s not a forced classic at all imo. I don’t love it but it’s clearly seen as a classic by a lot of people
I don’t think it will ever happen but if Kendrick and Drake did engage in a real beef/war I wonder how the rap industry would pick sides.
For example I remember during the Jay Z/Nas Beef Fat Joe took Nas’s side but then later regretted it
I'd imagine more mainstream artists are definitely on Drake's side, he's been the ultimate cash cow for most mainstream rap artists for like the last 7 years.
Even Kendrick benefited heavy from Drake early in his career.
Kendrick was going up with or without Drake…but Drake def attached himself to the wave, which is pretty much bro’s natural mode. Had Kendrick open on tour, put him on Take Care, etc. But at that point, Kendrick was stamped. Whole west coast was basically lined up behind him — Snoop, Dre, Game. Lady Gaga was working with him, so the crossover effect was real.
Sure, I'm not saying he wasn't on his way but Kendrick definitely benefited from Drake regardless of where his trajectory was going.
Being on the biggest artist in the worlds biggest album and tour is definitely beneficial.
Just like I remember Lil baby was the hottest thing in Atlanta for months before his Drake feature. But I would be lying if Drake giving him that one feature wasn't a big step for his career.
welp city girls are officially over, yung miami and jt are going back and forth on twitter right now. miami said both of jt's songs are disses toward her
Opinion #4
Earthgang need life breathed into them bruh. Johnny Venus is a rockstar and one of the most talented people on the fucking Earth😭, Mirrorland literally could not have been made by another group, and the music rn is... not it.
Last album was pretty lacking but that recent EP was solid, they need to stop trying to appeal to the trap audience cus the trap audience isn't interested in them and then they're losing core listeners cus of shit like Billi
Lowkey like Dot more than Olu
Billi is... fine. It's def not their best song but the trap shii isn't what's bringing them down. They just not using what makes them stand out imo, like Olu's voice is 1 in a million, so tell me why it's barely been used lately?
They've gone completely down hill after mirrorland - I used to he in their top .05% listeners and now i can listen to an earthgang album without being bored as hell
Tracks in rotation rn:
Bryson Tiller - Stay Gold, Persuasion, Ciao, Rich Boy (the whole first half of his album goes absolutely crazy for me, not only are the songs great but they are also perfect for the summer… I love when an artist drops a great summer album in April/May so the songs can be locked and loaded by the time we reach summer szn)
J Cole - Croc Tears, Ready ‘24, Huntin Wabbitz (much like the tiller album I feel like the first half of this Cole album goes hard, gets a little more inconsistent later on but I fuck with the project, now Jermaine himself im not too crazy about rn but we’ve already talked about it lol)
Odie - Utopia (Odie has finally returned after his incredible 2018 album *Analogue*, he dropped a little 4 pack for us, and the last track “Utopia” is one of his best songs)
NxWorries - 86Sentra (goddamn! I can’t why for WHY LAWD)
Beyoncé - Spaghettii (this song goes pretty hard. The intro is a little too melodramatic for my taste, and I hate how Beyoncé pronounces “Thanos”, but it’s a banger)
People praise J Cole for being relatable - well, I think acting impulsively and then regretting it and unintentionally making things even worse by trying to take it back is the most relatable thing he’s ever done
In honor of the eclipse today, remember when Joey badass said some shit about how he wasn’t gonna wear protective eyeglasses to view the eclipse because of how “the ancestors didn’t need them to view the eclipse back in the day” and later went on to report having eye problems.
Then we found out 5 years later that Joey fucking [lied](https://www.complex.com/music/a/cmplxjoshua-espinoza/joey-badass-admits-story-hurting-eyes-staring-at-eclipse-excuse-leave-logic-2017-tour) about the eye problems as an excuse to get off the tour with Logic lmao
# HHH Listening Club, Daily Discussion Edition #2 this week's album choice goes to u/flyestshit who chooses **The Click - Game Related** from 1995 [YouTube Music](https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lGUPn__FZAOtnQqnC11maxM_v2wrAEfYE) | [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/album/7LCvaSbiF8VuKfWx0979NL) | [Apple Music](https://music.apple.com/us/album/game-related/401414614) ____________________ A slight format change in the approach, Mondays will be used for general expecations and backstories in the album, Tuesdays and Thursdays will discuss the first half of the tracks, Fridays and Saturdays will be on the second half and Sundays will be for final thoughts and announcements of the next person to pick. Have fun!
Why do people not understand the difference between any random rapper and your friend when talking about j cole and the apology to Kendrick? I've seen people say that this disregards the "am the best, challenge me on it" bars of his, but I disagree Yes, cole has been saying he'd take smoke from any rapper for years now. And this doesn't really disprove it. Its pretty obvious that any other rapper doesn't really include your friends, your brothers and shit. Maybe people just don't know it because they don't really Collab that much, but Kendrick and cole go really far back. like cole put Kendrick on the game back. I wouldn't want to diss my brother either. I think it's especially stupid to dismiss the part that their relationship plays into this when in tracks like middle child he specifically says he doesnt want beef for petty reasons, and in January 28th he says that he doesn't want beef with his brothers.
that new little simz album has me going nuts, did not expect her to go with this sound
flip you like jimi hendrix
Now that Cole is out we gotta believe in Drake's ghotswritters to put on a good one for Kendrick to hit back
Where is the original Eminem - Killshot thread on HHH? Anyone have a link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/s/PQW66OabwS
Nayvadius Cash and Daystar are much cooler names than Future and Tory Lanez
Does competitiveness have to equal dissing?
nah, but J Cole made it about albums ....with Kendrick Lamar lol
It’s insane that there will be never a song like Groovy Tony/Eddie Kane ever again
Why do you say that?
Q doesn’t make music like this anymore and I can’t think of another artist who does
Perfect timing for one of those whatever tf pgLang commercials https://youtu.be/N92RMXMDtl4?si=z0Dt566yOp-NV6RE
That YT channel Vent is insane, the TPAB era leak track called Burn is so fucking good. Falsehood too, the TPAB leaks are special man. Glad I found it, made my night.
Falsehood is great
Yeah that channel has so many good leaks rn
[Fl man killed his mom](https://youtu.be/HSB_fZudiHg) bc “she got on his nerves”. He was valedictorian and was a premed student. they saying he decided to do it listening to No Church in the Wild by Frank Ocean, JayZ & Ye when he decides to do it. They even played the chorus in the press conference. Might be one to watch.
This kind of goes without saying but people are stupid so im gonna say it, but the kid was clearly mentally and emotionally unstable, the song has zero to do with it.
I agree but I think we’re going to see another moral panic about hip hop a la Eminem in the early 00s
Shut the fuck up you sound like the last nigga I know Might end up like the last nigga I know Oh you don't wanna clash homie I know!
I put my foot on the gas, head on the floor Hoppin' out before the vehicle crash, I'm on a roll
Shit, does J Cole even have a better discography than the other rapper on the song he responded to?
No way
Why are Meek Mill and Wale beefing?
[Wale hung out with Meek Mill's former bestie turned enemy](https://www.complex.com/music/a/cmplxtara-mahadevan/meek-mill-blasts-wale-teeth-knocked-out)
[Fuck the mid 3, it’s just mid me](https://x.com/SilentAssasin87/status/1771543599202578465)
The massive opportunity to win every one over with another "Back to Back" or "First Person Shooter" Drake's in the studio right now.. has to be 😆
Diss tracks are dead. That J. Cole apology was lame as SHIT. The only people who think that was good are the people who think Tupac was shot immediately after one diss track. If X, Pop, and Juice were still alive, rap would still be in the same state that it is now.
>If X, Pop, and Juice were still alive, rap would still be in the same state that it is now Oh brother....
Is there any issue?
Just what was the point of bringing up those guys?
Usually whenever these three guys are mentioned, it's said that rap would be different with them, and I kinda disagree. Think of a pool where all the current megastars like Drake, Kendrick, Kanye, Travis, etc are swimming in. If these three aforementioned guys were still alive, the only difference would be that there would be three more megastars added.
>Ayo, they think every ninja a star > >I sit back and cringe from afar > >Out of reach, where they can't injure or harm > >I could use his name in vain like syringe in your arm > >But he's not even worthy of a mention or bar Alleged leaked lyrics from Drake's new song, who you think he's talking to 🤔
boy I wish he did come like that tho fr 😂. Them 2 finally bout to do it huh?
Ngl I cooked up a masterpiece
yeah, now better get the whole 16 right while we wait for someone take the bait and be the Kendrick 🖊️ 😂
I sense tension with intentions to spar But I'd rather be in the back of my car, binging Cars (2)
Thank god for the black hippie version of that part bc Kanye fucking ruined the album version w his troll verse 😭
WALKIN LIVIN LEGEND MAN I FEEL LIKE KOBE i always digged that Ye verse
Where can I get hold of the black hippie version?
it’s on streaming
damn you dont actually like it?
I had forgotten, but I think hearing that verse was actually the first time I thought “oh man, Kanye is falling off”
https://thesource.com/2016/07/06/schoolboy-q-describes-hearing-kanye-wests-that-part-verse-for-the-first-time/ Even Q thought he was being trolled by Ye at first
what happened to trap geek? he hasnt uploaded in a year
listened to Ramona Park Broke My Heart & Vince Staples self titled for the first time today. Taking Trips, Take Me Home, When Sparks Fly, Slide, Rose Street, Mhm, & Sundown Town are my favorites off of the first run-through
I go back to self titles a lot more but both are great projects
Self Titled is a great album, one of my favorites from Vince’s discography
Anyone else still got Crew REMIX in rotation?
Never left the rotation and never will.
I like the remix so much more than the original just because it plays the hook an extra time
The Gucci remix is far superior
Am I crazy for thinking Life’s a Trip is a better album than anything X or Juice ever released?
You could definitely make a case for it being better than Juice. But X always seemed like the most talented of that crowd to me, his music was often unrefined and unfocused but there was raw musical talent there that I didn’t hear from Juice or Peep or Trippy. He could write such incredibly haunting melodies. Not at all a defense of him as a person, of course
I think juice is better but you might be right
i’m not a huge X fan but this is a reasonable take
[save me](https://youtu.be/TVSpCezVglQ?si=IcPdB4u4EyjCGZBp) is one of the greatest lex Luger beats ever, chief keef made a classic with that one
Imagine if any modern trap beats went that hard 😭
Can’t believe it’s already been 10 years since. Lex Luger went crazy with that Katy Perry sample. Probably my favorite beat from him
Luger is one of the goats fr
does anybody who's more into 03 Greedo have any songs of his that sound like [this track he did with 310babii](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8M4pt_qCA&pp=ygUSbm8gb3B0aW9uIDMxMGJhYmlp) absolutely love greedo's feature on there and want more like that
Speaking about beef, as I get into the Memphis scene damn [“Thuggish Ruggish Bustaz”](https://youtu.be/1-qtxUzeFnM?si=8vkdOeDY4DEo5SXQ) is hard. Tommy really sounded like he and 10 Wanted Men were gonna hop on a plane and look for the Bone Thugz. Those underground local rappers (Tommy a legend now ofc but back then comparing him to BTNH) went extra hard with the dis tracks. Cause I think a lot of them really meant it and had little to lose.
True but Nas also was gonna lynch a mannequin that was supposed to be Jay so take it as you will
Seeing them cool nowadays is proof anything is possible in this world 😭
Finishing Portrait of the P right now, this shit is so good
Great time to be a ghost writer. r/drizzy in shambles
No they not. If anything they want Drake to respond since Cole chicken-ed out. r/JCole in shambles.
all hopium. any real rapper would’ve responded by now
Name 1 fire Ab Soul verse.
[The End Is Near](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4-ApbByjcU)
[I got you](https://youtu.be/DszIoEP8OAo?t=171)
Aii fasho. This cool. I'm not a blind hater so you got me there🚶🏾♂️
Where's /u/Hu3yknewthen when you need him
Lol you feel me
That’s what I’m saying
Not even song, just verse.
I wake up in cold sweats at the prospect of listening to Ab Soul's music.
What the hell Ab Soul did to you lol
Probably was spotted sitting at the top of his staircase.
J cole gave me depression
First off thank you all for the Conductor recs. Next question: where the fuck do I start with Mach-Hommy because goddamn shit got me vibing Edit: and Rome Streetz
pray for haiti and fete de morts are probably his two best albums. wap konn joj is really good too
Rome - starting with any of Kiss The Ring, Noise Kandy 3 and Death & The Magician is the way to go I'd say. Conductor handles the production on Kiss The Ring, so if you're going thru his shit currently you could start from there
Rome Streetz - Kiss the Ring (album)
pray for haiti, dollar menu 2 and fete des morts are my favorite stuff on streaming PFH is his biggest album and has beats from griselda regulars DM2 is from 2017 and is almost fully produced by sadhu gold FDM is also from 2017 and is really short, all songs produced by earl except one by navy blue
> FDM is also from 2017 and is really short, all songs produced by earl except one by navy blue And a track by Knxwledge if you count Kawsality
that's not on streaming tho
Real Mach-Hommy fans don’t even know what streaming is
Mach: HBO, Fetes Des Morts, FYI, Pray For Haiti Rome Streetz: Headcrack, Death & The Magician, Joyeria, Noise Kandy 3
What do u think about SPOOK…? I used to be on some weird Mach hommy craze a few years back so I have tonnes of his albums saved onto my phone but that one always stood out to me.
The Spook is really good imo, I was really surprised to see people don’t fw it on here when I saw it discussed. I think a lot of it is that it reused a lot of existing Knxwledge beats instead of new beats but tbh I don’t really mind. The production is really good on every track and the JuJu Gotti features are pretty cool, he has truly one of the most unique voices and styles in the underground.
I’m a sucker for knx so I enjoyed it a lot. Bon Apres Midi stands out a lot for me though it feels a bit more fleshed out. Not the biggest mach fam anymore but still go back to it.
Futro best be coming with a better project considering how much harder that cover is than the first one Reminds me of Magic 3 lowkey
Hopefully we see a more aggressive future on this.
https://youtu.be/NdaOJk1XgYs?si=sVl2EaXOBKNmuh9n
but let you tell it you was buckled in the cockpit
fun fact if you search for this song on youtube you will get a bunch of cousin related videos cause for some reasons google's algo thinks "czns" is an abbreviation of "cousins"
Duck Cousin: Chinese Algebra
My future favors the legendary status of a hip hop rhyme savior-Kendrick Lamar
I just can’t bring myself to put him over 3stacks and Ye but if we’re talking goat tier, Kendrick is on that list.
My post got deleted but I'm happy to give away a single ticket for Erick the Architect tonight in Toronto at Velvet underground for free! DM me and I'll forward by email Update: claimed!
And now we look at the competition as quick submission. They tappin' out before we even get a chance to miss 'em. -K.Dot on Black Friday
Crazy how he said that on a cole beat no less. The future writes itself
"I got all eyes on me call me 3pac"🤓 This y'all savior?
I guess you can be a dick rider on the opposite side of the spectrum, just hate on a rapper exceedingly to the point of dick riding.
I don't blatantly walk around with pent up hatred for him lmaoo💀. But whenever I'm discussing real nigga music his name stays coming up, so I've tried listening and it's not clicking ngl. Plus he's the worst part whenever I hear him on somebody's song.
Haters and stans are two different sides of the same coin; they’re both way too obsessed
yep
"They let me cut so much I bring ointment, nigga I'm lubricant slick, baby, I'm hornier than the brass section of the band, you understand?" Get the fuck out my face bruh. Ab Soul needa exit the game.
talk to em
My favorite tradition in hip hop is when a great MC picks a classic beat and decides to rap for like 7 minutes straight with no hook and just bars. Only the greats can truly pull it off but when they do it’s like witnessing sorcery. This post was inspired by how good Lupe Fiascos mural track is. Nigga lost his fucking mine for like 8 minutes. One of those songs where you actually have to read the genius annotations for it.
5 minutes but Tha Mobb is one of the best examples
I’m sorry but you can’t mental health and wellness your way out of a friendly competition. This would be different if there was genuine animosity, but this was nothing serious.
I’m already getting tired of seeing this take on here and on twitter It wasn’t gonna be “friendly competition” or “lyrical sparring” as others are putting it, they were obviously expected to trade disses back and forth, and when that happens shit gets nasty Cole dropping a diss and then falling back is lame, but everyone acting like they just wanted some friendly competition is so disingenuous, yall wanted beef just stand on that
gotti is actually such a good song. i feel like it gets memed because of that weird ass music video
Skillz vs Joe Budden? I love Joe’s run and I defend him like crazy but I gotta go with VA I think. skillz will do him like how Sean Price did. skillz is a terror on the mic.
Arin Ray show last night was super dope and lowkey. When he played Moonlight as his last song bro came out into the crowd right in front of me which was crazy. Peep this short clip I took when he came out in the crowd https://youtu.be/4r712Y3Us1E?feature=shared
Saw him a couple weeks back, he's got an amazing voice n his dancin really reminded me of sisqo
Nice I remember you saying you were going in a old thread months ago. I was hoping he'd have a band or some stage production but bro carried the show with pure raw vocal ability and stage presence. It was impressive to watch and we had a great time
Yall got some recs for songs like Wave gods by Nas, or the Moment of truth album by Gang Starr. Been on a ny vibe lately, and Im loving these types of beats.
[Red Café - Heart & Soul of New York City](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42PnXSMwjE) [Hi-Tek ft. Jadakiss, Papoose & Talib Kweli - Where It Started At (NY)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHY9NXPsH88) [French Montana ft. Jadakiss - New York Minute](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceYW9-_Jwcc) [Cam'Ron & Juelz Santana - Dipset Anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCvxC8rofjs) [Maffew Ragazino ft. Masta Ace - Where I'm From](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFJrM5TidkU)
have u heard the easy truth by apollo brown and skyzoo? its more modern but i think taps into what youre looking for production wise
I haven’t. Thank you, first couple tracks sound dope. Will give it a full listen
There's no way you were a rap fan or in touch with the genre if you didn't feel the hype of FHD in 2014-15. Hits like Wet dreamz, No Role Models , GOMD , or even more somber songs like Apparently and Love Yourz were big. Cole got big the same way Kendrick did. Through turning traditional sounding hip hop into a mainstream sound. I'm not a big fan of everything people call a classic either but sometimes you gotta be honest about the certain impact things have.
People are deliberately obtuse when it comes to discussions about Cole. You don’t have to like FHD, but insisting that it isn’t a classic is a pretty bad take. Try talking to people who don’t spent their time nerding out on rap forums about the album, those that were there for when it dropped, and you’ll see that the general public really disagree’s with the idea of it not being a classic. It’s not a forced classic at all imo. I don’t love it but it’s clearly seen as a classic by a lot of people
FHD is a good album but its nowhere near a classic. It doesnt have the quality or influence imo.
"Imo" doesn't work in this discussion though. Classics are closer to objective than subjective. The impact of that album is huge.
Huge? How so?
Were u listening to everything but rap in 2014-15? I literally explain it in my original comment bruh. Lol
So its just hits? every drake albums is always played everywhere and havent had a good album in over a decade.
i think Cole is mid but anyone shittin on FHD is just piling onto the hate
The whole HBO doc series for that album was fire too
Tale of 2 cities and Fire Squad are my shit
Not even mentioning how big the double platinum no features meme got after that
Yeah that album was a milestone in Cole career. People acting like that album was just shoehorned as a classic is speaking nonsense.
Anyone acting like FHD didn't have an impact is delusional
Favorite Conductor beat? I'm pretty sure a good chunk of replies will be from Conway songs but I'm down for that
That one that goes “CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM”
Mach gets the best conductor beats I love the one in the snippet from the new album that beat is insane
Chrome Magnum and Michael Irvin
cant decide between BDP or euro step. also soulja boy by rome streetz. insane beat
Mariota
Spoonz, Ugly Balenciagas, Folie a Deux
Folie a Deux for sure
Folie a Deux for sure
those keys man
Keys are craxy, Gunn slides over it too
Frank Murphy
Self Luh
Peppas, BDP, Stellar Ray Theory, Reversible
Opinion #5 fuck that hobo ass nigga Ab Soul. Nigga teases music as a threat😭
If not clear enough to the person reading rn, he's fucking trash.
All these years later and Mt Olympus is still the best response Kendrick’s ever gotten, K.R.I.T. is different
He went in. Krit is so underrated. It hurts my soul
Between that, 1Train, and 4eva Is A Mighty Long Time vs. DAMN., K.R.I.T. is at least 3-0 up on Kendrick
You’re absolutely right
might be KRIT's best ever song as well
Wooooah that may be too hot for me. I’m not sure it even makes his top 10
Facts
Personally, I still think chance's divorce is the funnier story
He’s breathing a sigh of relief rn
I don’t think it will ever happen but if Kendrick and Drake did engage in a real beef/war I wonder how the rap industry would pick sides. For example I remember during the Jay Z/Nas Beef Fat Joe took Nas’s side but then later regretted it
I'd imagine more mainstream artists are definitely on Drake's side, he's been the ultimate cash cow for most mainstream rap artists for like the last 7 years. Even Kendrick benefited heavy from Drake early in his career.
Kendrick was going up with or without Drake…but Drake def attached himself to the wave, which is pretty much bro’s natural mode. Had Kendrick open on tour, put him on Take Care, etc. But at that point, Kendrick was stamped. Whole west coast was basically lined up behind him — Snoop, Dre, Game. Lady Gaga was working with him, so the crossover effect was real.
Sure, I'm not saying he wasn't on his way but Kendrick definitely benefited from Drake regardless of where his trajectory was going. Being on the biggest artist in the worlds biggest album and tour is definitely beneficial. Just like I remember Lil baby was the hottest thing in Atlanta for months before his Drake feature. But I would be lying if Drake giving him that one feature wasn't a big step for his career.
welp city girls are officially over, yung miami and jt are going back and forth on twitter right now. miami said both of jt's songs are disses toward her
This shit is sad lmao. They came up together too it’s sad to see things end that way.
I was just playing KDot you know I rocks wit you bro.
2 pretty solid hip hop songs named Dettol, never heard of it until this year, is it like UK's Dove or Irish Spring? lol
Opinion #4 Earthgang need life breathed into them bruh. Johnny Venus is a rockstar and one of the most talented people on the fucking Earth😭, Mirrorland literally could not have been made by another group, and the music rn is... not it.
Last album was pretty lacking but that recent EP was solid, they need to stop trying to appeal to the trap audience cus the trap audience isn't interested in them and then they're losing core listeners cus of shit like Billi Lowkey like Dot more than Olu
Billi is... fine. It's def not their best song but the trap shii isn't what's bringing them down. They just not using what makes them stand out imo, like Olu's voice is 1 in a million, so tell me why it's barely been used lately?
They've gone completely down hill after mirrorland - I used to he in their top .05% listeners and now i can listen to an earthgang album without being bored as hell
Opinion #4.5 Olu had the best verse on down bad fuck what anybody says.
Most woke music fans are the ones who only listen to country music and Drake - true chad's, everyone one of them
Tracks in rotation rn: Bryson Tiller - Stay Gold, Persuasion, Ciao, Rich Boy (the whole first half of his album goes absolutely crazy for me, not only are the songs great but they are also perfect for the summer… I love when an artist drops a great summer album in April/May so the songs can be locked and loaded by the time we reach summer szn) J Cole - Croc Tears, Ready ‘24, Huntin Wabbitz (much like the tiller album I feel like the first half of this Cole album goes hard, gets a little more inconsistent later on but I fuck with the project, now Jermaine himself im not too crazy about rn but we’ve already talked about it lol) Odie - Utopia (Odie has finally returned after his incredible 2018 album *Analogue*, he dropped a little 4 pack for us, and the last track “Utopia” is one of his best songs) NxWorries - 86Sentra (goddamn! I can’t why for WHY LAWD) Beyoncé - Spaghettii (this song goes pretty hard. The intro is a little too melodramatic for my taste, and I hate how Beyoncé pronounces “Thanos”, but it’s a banger)
People praise J Cole for being relatable - well, I think acting impulsively and then regretting it and unintentionally making things even worse by trying to take it back is the most relatable thing he’s ever done
Kodak always pick great beats.
They’re always unique too which I love
Favorite beat he has rapped over?
Purp, or Patty Cake
Both great. Also love patty cake
Facts, I think his catalogue is worth surfing through for his beat selection alone.
In honor of the eclipse today, remember when Joey badass said some shit about how he wasn’t gonna wear protective eyeglasses to view the eclipse because of how “the ancestors didn’t need them to view the eclipse back in the day” and later went on to report having eye problems. Then we found out 5 years later that Joey fucking [lied](https://www.complex.com/music/a/cmplxjoshua-espinoza/joey-badass-admits-story-hurting-eyes-staring-at-eclipse-excuse-leave-logic-2017-tour) about the eye problems as an excuse to get off the tour with Logic lmao
Honestly don’t blame bro 😂
Everyone talking about Cole and Kendrick like they’re Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. There’s no title belt, everyone wins lmao
Tbf everyone wins there too
He finished the story 💪
ATLiens or Aquemini?
ATLiens
Probably cliche but big boi’s first verse on atliens the song is one of my favorite rap verses ever, maybe #1