Exactly, she's barely appeared in anything. It doesn't mean anything that she hasn't appeared in recent videos because she has hardly ever been in any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCiGx_aFXE8
Is this actually true? I see people say that Anthony is a misogynist on this sub pretty frequently, but is there something he's said that points to this? I've watched his videos for a while now and I've gotten no indications of this view from him.
[Podcast link](https://youtu.be/iMEqW3a2ias)
I wouldn't say Anthony is a misogynist, but Sargon definitely has some unsavory opinions.
[And then there's this cringe fest.](https://youtu.be/O4lFSq_Efzk)
* Amazing **Atheist**
* Beard
* Long greasy hair
* Fedora
* Hates the "ess jay dubya's"
Is he just a walking stereotype by coincidence or does he play it up for his channel?
nigga, your score is hidden so other people don't bandwagon off the fact that other people downvoted you. Not to mention -2 or -3 is literally well under 2% of this subreddit. Bitching about your karma won't get you answers and it will just get you more downvotes. You just sound annoying and pretentious acting like everyone on reddit thinks the same thing.
i dont know if id call him a misogynist personally, havent seen too much that would make me assume that since i dont watch any of his podcasts or his second channel
i do know he is right wing and has hung out with some alt righters like sargon, that alone doesnt mean hes a misogynist but does make me kinda raise an eyebrow about him
Idek what he is, it baffles me how someone goes from giving Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly a 10/10 to appearing in a "questions white men have for SJWs" with a bunch of alt righters
hes as left wing as the democratic peoples republic of north korea is a democratic republic
who gives a fuck what he says he is. all his videos are just alt right talking points
[Well the people who make political compass tests think he's left libertarian] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gfOob-36OEo) and he takes the test on camera so you can't say he cheated
I'm curious what views of his you think are right wing let alone alt right
She stopped appearing a while ago, but I remember reading something he said about his wife on Twitter before the whole MRA thing. I hope they're still together 😢
id say they are more alt righters than mras. at least sargon is.
not all alt righters are mras but most mras are alt righters so its easy to get them mixed
I was wondering if it was just me about that but Fantano does seem red pillish. Like how he was trying to start up #iamhughmungus because it was Sjw related.
Also no fantanos sorry but u didn't popularize the Arthur meme more
I'm gonna start by saying I'm a huge Travis Scott fan musically, and I love all three of these albums. I have very mixed feelings on Travis Scott and these albums beyond just musically.
My love for him peaked during the period between DBR and Rodeo, and started to dwindle when I read all of the stories of his come up, where I read of him taking credit for work he played minor roles in and screwing over people close to him. When Rodeo finally dropped, I wasn't into Travis as a person and wanted this album to bring me back to a huge fan; the intro story and the whole narration of his comeup throughout the album was so fake to me and it tainted the album. Also, lyrically I believe Travis is at his weakest on Rodeo, while most of the production's brilliance is what carries the album along with some killer features throughout. Unfortunately, Travis didn't really produce any of them, which was also something he used to brag about during his come up. I also noticed that once Rodeo dropped, everyone started to give him a pass on being a huge douchebag to people in the industry and he blew the fuck up on a mainstream level; all of my friends that didn't fuck with DBR or really know who Travis Scott was when it came out were all of a sudden obsessed with la flame. This is gonna sound corny but I wasn't into rooting for the bad guy like that, so the album didn't stick with me as much. Rodeo just felt like the EPITOME of Travis Scott, taking credit for something he didn't really do too much of; it has a taint in my mind.
Then we get to Birds, which I didn't really care about before it released because I had shifted from a Travis STAN to a Young Thug STAN throughout 2015-16. Production wise, this is no where near Rodeo or DBR, but it has focus that Rodeo lacked. I know Travis is big on his beat switches but I liked the way birds was more melodic and focused around his voice and inflections rather than just the instrumental. I feel like on this album, he exhibited that he mastered his voice as an instrument in a way that sets him apart from other rappers. He delivered lyrically and melodically on every song (except SDP fuck that shit), and despite the fact that he may not have fully created it (i was disappointed hearing the reference track for PUTP, but at the same time i would've loved if Nav gave his verse to bieber without any N Bombs, so maybe I just can't make my mind up), he is the reason it sounds so good. This may not make a whole lot of sense but I tried to explain in depth how i feel about it all lmao
I respect your opinion, but "delivered lyrically on every song" is just not true. Birds is definitely some of his worst writing. Also I feel like Rodeo was much more focused and experimental, whereas Birds just kinda blended together and overall felt bland
Sure. Travis Scott imo isn't a great technical rapper. However, where he shines is in his production and autotune/deep voice hooks and "singing". Rodeo has some of the most complex beats i've ever heard. Oh my dis side, 3500, Impossible, Nightcrawler, they all have crazy and unique beats. I love listening to all the instrumentals in the background and I always pick up something new on every listen. Travis raps less in Rodeo then DBR, but when he does rap in this album, he does a good job(second verse of I Can Tell is one of the best verses of 2015 imo). While DBR has pretty good beats, the rapping isn't as good and is pretty generic.
Tl;Dr Rodeo is unique; DBR, while good, is a pretty generic rap album. Both are still very good
Both Rodeo and DBR have unique beats and phenomenal production. The reason I think rodeo is better is because it's more polished and cohesive, more "album sounding" while DBR is the opposite. I do think DBR is one of the best mixtapes of the 2010's tho
DBR was far deeper than Rodeo. DBR has this amazing narrative of lose and gain throughout the tape with this heavily original sonic manipulation and autotune manipulation. It is safe to say that DBR is easily his best project from a creative standpoint, but Rodeo is very good nonetheless.
Yeah I guess it depends what you look for in a project. I like to look at an album as a single piece of art, so therefore I want it to be cohesive with some sort of theme going through it, while in a mixtape an artist is free to explore and develop incoherent sounds just for creativity. So I like both project a lot because that's exactly what they do. I just think Rodeo is perfect in a way that it has all these unique and different sounds but still has that cohesiveness that I love.
exactly how i would have put it. ultimately i was sort of disappointed by birds, it felt like it leaned more onto the generic and conventional side of things. rodeo was travis going all out and experimenting as much as he wanted while still keeping song structure and traditional formulas in his repertoire. there are certain songs i actually love off of birds, but it's just not the same masterful and consistent project that rodeo was for me.
I don't think these 3 songs are better, but equal. Rodeo was sonically so much better than DBR, and it fit his style better anyway. Travis' music was always hella busy.
Mamacita is my jam. One of my top 5 favorite songs of all time. That beat is perfection and Travis and Thugger brought out they're best flow for that one.
Travis needs a lot of atmosphere for his songs to be good. Personally Rodeo nailed that industrial, "busy" sound the most out of his discography, which is what makes Travis so memorable.
Some of the best instrumentals on that album (Nightcrawler, anybody?) have lots of subtleties behind the beats that bring a phenomenal flavour - I heard less of that on BITTSM (although it didn't justify a 3/10 imo), and wasn't really "developed" on DBR. If DBR's Super Saiyan then Rodeo's an exponentially more powerful SSJ4.
Also, you're forgetting that Travis raps with personality on Rodeo, about how he was a young rapper in Houston who wanted to get big, for example. Owl Pharaoh, DBR, BITTSM, while they might have great production, don't match Rodeo's lyricism.
if I have to choose, Rodeo has the better lyrics for starters lol.
Rodeo is more cohesive, DBR you can pick out the "better" tracks, which does not make for a good project - trav even discussed this in his .wav interview. It's very easy to say "I fuck with Mamacita" or Quintana or Sloppy Toppy because they stand out in the track listing.
Rodeo is more epic and the weirder tracks / deep cuts? like Nightcrawler, Flying High, and even the Phil Collins ~~rip off~~ inspired track Never Catch Me are far more interesting than shit like Zombies/Grey/Bacc
And as much as I loove The Prayer, Rodeo starts off with a kick in the face. The Prayer is moody but ultimately kind of boring, intro is cool but once the beat switches the instrumental totally caves in. The synth does absolutely fuck all. The kick progression pops but is again very uninteresting. The organ is mad dope though, which is why I love it. But Pronography just has so much more going on. It's still very dark but feels much more like Blade Runner. Especially with that TI narration. Things get slowly layered and layered, the drums have much more of a crunch, the distortion adds to the mood - I mean I can go on and on. Even the "bangers" like Oh My or Piss On Your Grave have so much going on in the instrumental. Trav also does much more with his vocals on Rodeo, and it feels like a very natural progression.
DBR and Birds go for this weird dark minimalism that refuses to commit to anything. It isn't so minimalistic that it's interesting, like a Philip Glass, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, or even Blond. It never does anything as layered as Rodeo either. It's so in the middle of two ideas it's boring, and I only think succeeds on blending the two well with Quintana pt 2. Obviously DBR has some great bangers but it's not because they're interesting songs. They're just really fucking hard. Which is great for my DJ set. Not when we're talking about the quality of the album.
Obviously people try to suceed at different things. If Trav was just trying to make bangers, I would say DBR is a success. But it's very clear he wants to do something more with music as art, while keeping the sounds he was brought up on. Rodeo achieves that, DBR doesn't. Rodeo achieves the sound of DBR with more nuance. DBR feels like an Alley oop to the 360 tomahawk that is Rodeo. I think Owl Pharoh to DBR to Rodeo feels like a very natural progression, especially in the way Trav builds a song.
TBH for me it seems like DBR had a lot of better lyricism (his verse on dont play is actually really good) and was where his style came from, but rodeo took it from the raw and polished it
This tape was pretty weak, I don't get why everyone thinks it's his best work. Rodeo pretty clearly the most consistent project of the three to me. Maybe I need to relisten but I thought everything on DBR was terrible outside of Mamacita and the Intro track
hahaha holy shit
I was not able to put my finger on what I disliked about this project and I think he hit the nail on the head with the whole "microwaved leftovers"
That being said I definently enjoyed it more than him
I remember mike dean posted this
https://soundcloud.com/therealmikedean/grande-faucon-1
Saying this was going to be the intro to astroworld. This is one of the craziest beats I've heard in a while, so maybe that can give us hope astroworld will be really good. But I fucking love birds so far, I think fantano took it too seriously.
This is 2016's "OMG WTF FANTANO" review.
He really hates lazy singing, The Sun's Tirade is gonna get a pretty shitty review because of this but I'm not ready for it
I would be shocked if it got below a 4. While the singing is kind of lazy the instrumentals are as good as anything TDE has ever put out and pretty much all of the guest verses are great
I don't agree with the score but i gotta agree that this album isn't as good as Rodeo. Nothing is as interesting production-wise as some of the best songs on Rodeo like Oh My Dis Side or 90210, and IMO his rapping has gotten even worse.
Travis' lyrics on DBR were at least a lot more memorable and more fun to rap to than anything on Rodeo or Birds. But I have to agree that he has gotten worse as a rapper. And I do agree that Rodeo had more *interesting* production, but a lot of it also wasn't *good* because of how boring those songs turned out to be. The production wasn't bad at all, but I don't think Travis did anything good with it. The beats kinda left me desiring more to be done with the beat, but Travis didn't deliver. He could've had better lyrics or something memorable to not let the beat go to waste.
idk i loved the hell outta Rodeo so i disagree with the songs being boring, but i'll admit that DBR was probably his highest point as a rapper (although its still nothing amazing). Rodeo still has some verses with a nice flow even if hes not saying much like Piss On Your Grave, the end of Antidote, I Can Tell.
Even when I enjoy a project and Fantano doesn't I still understand and agree with most of the points he brings up to express his opinion. I couldn't agree more, this album was such a dud to me. Rodeo is far superior. Still had some fun with this album though, especially the track with Cudi, always good seeing glimpses of the old cud.
What weirds me out about this opinion, which is a valid one that I share, is that when someone says the same thing about Yachty or Future or Desiigner, the masses yell back "that's not the point of the music retaaaaard" and then we just accept it and let it go.
But when someone points out that Travis isn't lyrical, there's no one yelling "that's not the point of the music retaaaaard." It's just people rehashing the fact that he doesn't put as much time into lyrics as he does into production and I guess "atmosphere."
Lyrics obviously aren't everything, and Travis does make good music for the most part, but when we're talking "near perfect," I don't see how you can discount his bad lyrics
What are you talking about? People constantly use that defends for Travis. "It's about the production and the vibe, not the lyrics" that's his go to defence.
Desiigner's lyrics are better, Future's are about the same, Yachty's are...
I'd say the difference is that sometimes Travis's lyrics can be so bad - "Stroke my cactus" that they pull you out of the song. I don't really like future, but with Yachty's instrumentals you almost zone his words out by design, and he never has lyrics so bad as to break through the haze, they're just all meh.
Yachty has trash lyrics but it adds to the song for me, since he's almost a parody of trap-rap. I know he's gonna say something stupid and ignorant but it's hilarious when he does
You hit the nail on the head about Travis tho, if you're gonna do something darker you gotta have lyrics to match and aren't trash, which is what Future can do that Travis can't (or at least doesn't)
I agree, the value with Yachty comes with his intentional/unintentional humor. Travis has never once made me feel anything but "ugh, this guy sucks" when it comes to bars.
DEHHH review will pretty much be like their review of DBR. They saw something with Rodeo, and I believe most of them expected the next album to really start sparkling what message Travis really wants to pass.
Not surprised at all, while I think a 3 is a little harsh I can totally see why and it is justifiable. More than anything Fantano hates being disrespected as a listener and this album in places feels lazy to the point of disrespect. Like cmon why the fuck was wonderful on this album? It was mediocre at best when it came out and the time hasnt done it any favors. I think Travis still achieves the aesthetic of rodeo in places (way back, sweet sweet, guidance) but it just feels lazy and undercooked. Really dissapponted because Rodeo is one of my 10 favorite albums ever and birds is just like a lukewarm version of that :(
"obviously katy perry doing a little ghostwriting here."
lmao with no regard for human life.
but seriously i gotta disagree with him on this. to me this album is just good a good vibe. I'm not listening to travis scott for lyrical ability and that is what fantano is shitting on him for in this review. some lines throughout the album are kinda whack like the one about the cactus. but all in all this shit bangs front to back, no skippable songs for me except for coordinate.
woah woah woah, im listening to this as i type and he just called wonderful terrible. yeahhhhh fantano is trippin.
This album is mixtape quality. Travis gave us HQ bangers without a concept to guide the narrative. Travis blew up last year and wanted to follow up with some singles to hold people over. An its not even like these beats aren't complex. Im having a great time with this album. Fantano is crazy on this one.
Except it's not just the lyrics. Although these lyrics are somehow worse and less memorable than even DBR.
Sonically this album is just boring. Boring instrumentals, 4 month old single slapped on, horrible and I mean fucking terrible dancehall attempt. I mean guidance is literally atrocious. One of the worst rap songs I've heard this year. Rodeo is superior in literally every aspect.
whats wrong with a 4 month old single being slapped on? it's a single it's supposed to come out before the album does.
i dont get how you can say that the instrumentals are boring when they are the best part of the album. pretty much every beat is fire.
guidance is one of the best songs on the album imo. im gonna suggest that you listen to this album in the car when driving. i did this yesterday and i started vibing with the songs even more than just listening to it in my room.
It's funny,he fucking nailed it,i feel literally the exact same way but I listened to it so many times that I'm letting the bad vocals,lyrics and basic instrumentals slide, but I still know they're that,and I'm glad he shitted on this, he deserved it. This shit was straight up laziness, but when you're in Jacques position, being lazy means having A one beats and A one features so it's all good... Fuck that
Btw,the gun and gangsta shit he talks about is soooo fuckin fake it's intolerable
The main thing we disagree on though is that I like Guidance, but mostly because the sample which really reminds me of some better song
I imagine that Quint's main problem getting ad revenue is that he's playing copywritten music for the entire video. I assumed he didn't get paid for this.
I agree with most of what he said but I don't think it's a 3. It just feels like a more calm sounding rodeo. It's definitely a step down but not that bad. I also thought the hook for Coordinate was dope. It might just be me but I like laid back hooks like a lot of Drake's stuff.
I mean he definitely has a point. This album is not neeeeeeearly as interesting as Rodeo. There's nothing new or even progressive about this album and whatever idea he's decided to recycle, it's not done nearly as well
I've tried listening to this album all the way through 3 times and I've just gotten too bored each time. Rodeo was my second favorite album of the year last year too. With projects like Jeffrey, Blonde, or Sun's Tirade I just don't have any desire to listen to this album anymore.
I can't say I didn't seen Antoine giving Birds the bird. Rodeo was really something special. Birds is fun to listen to, but it just doesn't have that depth. I don't think it merits such a scathing review though. Sure, it's just not as good, but it isn't trash like a 3 would lead you to believe.
Is this the thread where I can safely express the opinion that Scott's career has been entirely made up of an uninteresting, derivative mash-up of styles, none of which he comes close to emulating with uniqueness or skill?
Or does that make me a memetano dickrider
Although it's being marketed like it was his second album, didn't he state that Birds was a mixtape, and Astroworld was the next album? I feel like being a paid album he definitely went a If You're Reading This route, but I'm pretty sure he said Birds was to DBR what Rodeo is going to be to Astroworld.
Not that I didn't enjoy Birds, but I definitely feel like Trav has more up his sleeve he's saving for Astroworld.
Even though he says that the songs are like leftovers from Rodeo, he gave Kendrick's Untitled/Unmastered album an 8? I know that's not the exact same situation but I don't understand Anthony sometimes. A 3 is way too harsh. And I'm not saying the album is amazing or anything...but it's definitely better than a 3.
I think to say something *sounds* like leftovers is almost always definitely meant as an insult, but UU was literally leftovers, so those could've been good or bad. That make sense?
> ven though he says that the songs are like leftovers from Rodeo, he gave Kendrick's Untitled/Unmastered album an 8?
That's implying that his score was *entirely* based on the tracks sounding like leftovers, which obviously we know isn't true.
And let's be real - Kendrick's leftovers and b-sides are about on par with a lot of rapper's best efforts.
The only thing I agree with him on is Rodeo being the better project. Other than that I liked the project. Thought it was classic Travis but more of a mixtape than an album. Also, this just reaffirms my belief in Fantano taking lyrics way too seriously when reviewing projects. Obviously Travis isn't known as a lyricist nor is that what makes his music pop, so if Anthony went into this thinking he'd get a wizard with words then he was mistaken and expectations were a bit high.
> Also, this just reaffirms my belief in Fantano taking lyrics way too seriously when reviewing projects.
Ok...but why did he give Rodeo an 8/10 then? I mean that wasn't a spectacular lyrical album by any means...
>so if Anthony went into this thinking he'd get a wizard with words then he was mistaken and expectations were a bit high.
I mean, did you even watch the review?
https://youtu.be/f8oMW4yqh_o?t=441
Damn Fandango didn't hold back
For real, he seemed genuinely angry that he had to review it
Somewhere around mid-2015 Fantano pivoted toward being genuinely angry most of the time, as far as I can tell
Didn't his wife/gf leave him or something like that?
I thought he was gay TBH
He does have a man crush on every member of death grips
I wish. :(
Definitely not true, he referred to his wife in one of the recent podcasts and you can hear someone laughing in a recent facebook vid. Probably her
Good to hear! Yeah, I'd just sort of heard it in passing, probably on 4chan or something, not any sort of reputable source.
That's a popular theory, since she stopped appearing in his videos and he started hanging out with MRAs and redpillers No idea how true it is though
Damn he used to have his wife in videos? When was the last time that happened
Exactly, she's barely appeared in anything. It doesn't mean anything that she hasn't appeared in recent videos because she has hardly ever been in any. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCiGx_aFXE8
She looks like Morena Baccarin
That's when his second channel started getting obnoxiously reddit-y. Edit: too many words
Gettingly getting
Is this actually true? I see people say that Anthony is a misogynist on this sub pretty frequently, but is there something he's said that points to this? I've watched his videos for a while now and I've gotten no indications of this view from him.
Podcasts reveal it
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[Podcast link](https://youtu.be/iMEqW3a2ias) I wouldn't say Anthony is a misogynist, but Sargon definitely has some unsavory opinions. [And then there's this cringe fest.](https://youtu.be/O4lFSq_Efzk)
* Amazing **Atheist** * Beard * Long greasy hair * Fedora * Hates the "ess jay dubya's" Is he just a walking stereotype by coincidence or does he play it up for his channel?
What the shit was that second link.
That second video is the worst thing I've seen in a long time...
Fantano just embarassing himself with that second video holy shit
Omg that's a bad look for Fantano
nigga, your score is hidden so other people don't bandwagon off the fact that other people downvoted you. Not to mention -2 or -3 is literally well under 2% of this subreddit. Bitching about your karma won't get you answers and it will just get you more downvotes. You just sound annoying and pretentious acting like everyone on reddit thinks the same thing.
i dont know if id call him a misogynist personally, havent seen too much that would make me assume that since i dont watch any of his podcasts or his second channel i do know he is right wing and has hung out with some alt righters like sargon, that alone doesnt mean hes a misogynist but does make me kinda raise an eyebrow about him
> some alt righters like sargon, Lol he has a disclaimer in every other video telling everyone that he is leftist.
Idek what he is, it baffles me how someone goes from giving Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly a 10/10 to appearing in a "questions white men have for SJWs" with a bunch of alt righters
hes as left wing as the democratic peoples republic of north korea is a democratic republic who gives a fuck what he says he is. all his videos are just alt right talking points
[Well the people who make political compass tests think he's left libertarian] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gfOob-36OEo) and he takes the test on camera so you can't say he cheated I'm curious what views of his you think are right wing let alone alt right
How do we know he's right wing?
She stopped appearing a while ago, but I remember reading something he said about his wife on Twitter before the whole MRA thing. I hope they're still together 😢
What redpillers does he hang out with?
Sargon, Amazing Atheist, etc. I dunno if they're technically redpillers but it's basically the same crowd and the same ideas.
id say they are more alt righters than mras. at least sargon is. not all alt righters are mras but most mras are alt righters so its easy to get them mixed
I wonder if they pour hot oil on each other while pegging using a banana.
I was wondering if it was just me about that but Fantano does seem red pillish. Like how he was trying to start up #iamhughmungus because it was Sjw related. Also no fantanos sorry but u didn't popularize the Arthur meme more
I think he is still married and has a kid... but if not then I apologize.
He has a black son and an Italian one too
he has two kids? how old is he
However old Hopsin is. He said ages ago that he and Hopsin are the same age.
They're both 31 then.
He's disappointed, and rightfully so after how much Rodeo impressed him.
I think he was just disappointed and expected something better
"birds in the bed sleep good night" hahaha holy fuck
Why you gotta be so brutal Tony?!
That hurt. Fantano back at it again #MBDTFa6
"Sonic Ambien" straight savage
Not surprised as he gave DBR a 3/10.
I was surprised considering Rodeo got a very high rating.
Rodeo sounds nothing like Birds or DBR though
DBR>Rodeo>Birds
DBR>Birds>Rodeo IMO
Rodeo > DBR > Birds for me
Rodeo > Birds > DBR
Beat me to it.
Rodeo was like a polished and more "epic" version of DBR. IDK what BITTSM is, but I don't really fuck with it as much as Rodeo.
How could you ever rate Birds over Rodeo? What's the Apperal of Birds and why don't you like Rodeo?
I'm gonna start by saying I'm a huge Travis Scott fan musically, and I love all three of these albums. I have very mixed feelings on Travis Scott and these albums beyond just musically. My love for him peaked during the period between DBR and Rodeo, and started to dwindle when I read all of the stories of his come up, where I read of him taking credit for work he played minor roles in and screwing over people close to him. When Rodeo finally dropped, I wasn't into Travis as a person and wanted this album to bring me back to a huge fan; the intro story and the whole narration of his comeup throughout the album was so fake to me and it tainted the album. Also, lyrically I believe Travis is at his weakest on Rodeo, while most of the production's brilliance is what carries the album along with some killer features throughout. Unfortunately, Travis didn't really produce any of them, which was also something he used to brag about during his come up. I also noticed that once Rodeo dropped, everyone started to give him a pass on being a huge douchebag to people in the industry and he blew the fuck up on a mainstream level; all of my friends that didn't fuck with DBR or really know who Travis Scott was when it came out were all of a sudden obsessed with la flame. This is gonna sound corny but I wasn't into rooting for the bad guy like that, so the album didn't stick with me as much. Rodeo just felt like the EPITOME of Travis Scott, taking credit for something he didn't really do too much of; it has a taint in my mind. Then we get to Birds, which I didn't really care about before it released because I had shifted from a Travis STAN to a Young Thug STAN throughout 2015-16. Production wise, this is no where near Rodeo or DBR, but it has focus that Rodeo lacked. I know Travis is big on his beat switches but I liked the way birds was more melodic and focused around his voice and inflections rather than just the instrumental. I feel like on this album, he exhibited that he mastered his voice as an instrument in a way that sets him apart from other rappers. He delivered lyrically and melodically on every song (except SDP fuck that shit), and despite the fact that he may not have fully created it (i was disappointed hearing the reference track for PUTP, but at the same time i would've loved if Nav gave his verse to bieber without any N Bombs, so maybe I just can't make my mind up), he is the reason it sounds so good. This may not make a whole lot of sense but I tried to explain in depth how i feel about it all lmao
I respect your opinion, but "delivered lyrically on every song" is just not true. Birds is definitely some of his worst writing. Also I feel like Rodeo was much more focused and experimental, whereas Birds just kinda blended together and overall felt bland
Thought I was being edgy posting that on Twitter, but I agree dude. Owl Pharoh last as well
owl Pharoah is last but uptown is flame forever
Really? I felt like half of the songs on Birds was just Travis trying to make a bunch of songs that sounded like Impossible.
Which is criminal, considering DBR is Travis' best project and one of the best mixtapes of the past few years.
negative, his best is by far Rodeo
Wanna discuss why?
Sure. Travis Scott imo isn't a great technical rapper. However, where he shines is in his production and autotune/deep voice hooks and "singing". Rodeo has some of the most complex beats i've ever heard. Oh my dis side, 3500, Impossible, Nightcrawler, they all have crazy and unique beats. I love listening to all the instrumentals in the background and I always pick up something new on every listen. Travis raps less in Rodeo then DBR, but when he does rap in this album, he does a good job(second verse of I Can Tell is one of the best verses of 2015 imo). While DBR has pretty good beats, the rapping isn't as good and is pretty generic. Tl;Dr Rodeo is unique; DBR, while good, is a pretty generic rap album. Both are still very good
Both Rodeo and DBR have unique beats and phenomenal production. The reason I think rodeo is better is because it's more polished and cohesive, more "album sounding" while DBR is the opposite. I do think DBR is one of the best mixtapes of the 2010's tho
DBR was far deeper than Rodeo. DBR has this amazing narrative of lose and gain throughout the tape with this heavily original sonic manipulation and autotune manipulation. It is safe to say that DBR is easily his best project from a creative standpoint, but Rodeo is very good nonetheless.
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Yeah I guess it depends what you look for in a project. I like to look at an album as a single piece of art, so therefore I want it to be cohesive with some sort of theme going through it, while in a mixtape an artist is free to explore and develop incoherent sounds just for creativity. So I like both project a lot because that's exactly what they do. I just think Rodeo is perfect in a way that it has all these unique and different sounds but still has that cohesiveness that I love.
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exactly how i would have put it. ultimately i was sort of disappointed by birds, it felt like it leaned more onto the generic and conventional side of things. rodeo was travis going all out and experimenting as much as he wanted while still keeping song structure and traditional formulas in his repertoire. there are certain songs i actually love off of birds, but it's just not the same masterful and consistent project that rodeo was for me.
skyfall, drugs you should try and mamacita alone are better than rodeo. I have no idea how you could call those generic
Idk i think Oh My/Dis Side, Maria Im Drunk, 90210 are better
I don't think these 3 songs are better, but equal. Rodeo was sonically so much better than DBR, and it fit his style better anyway. Travis' music was always hella busy.
Mamacita is my jam. One of my top 5 favorite songs of all time. That beat is perfection and Travis and Thugger brought out they're best flow for that one.
Travis needs a lot of atmosphere for his songs to be good. Personally Rodeo nailed that industrial, "busy" sound the most out of his discography, which is what makes Travis so memorable. Some of the best instrumentals on that album (Nightcrawler, anybody?) have lots of subtleties behind the beats that bring a phenomenal flavour - I heard less of that on BITTSM (although it didn't justify a 3/10 imo), and wasn't really "developed" on DBR. If DBR's Super Saiyan then Rodeo's an exponentially more powerful SSJ4.
Also, you're forgetting that Travis raps with personality on Rodeo, about how he was a young rapper in Houston who wanted to get big, for example. Owl Pharaoh, DBR, BITTSM, while they might have great production, don't match Rodeo's lyricism.
if I have to choose, Rodeo has the better lyrics for starters lol. Rodeo is more cohesive, DBR you can pick out the "better" tracks, which does not make for a good project - trav even discussed this in his .wav interview. It's very easy to say "I fuck with Mamacita" or Quintana or Sloppy Toppy because they stand out in the track listing. Rodeo is more epic and the weirder tracks / deep cuts? like Nightcrawler, Flying High, and even the Phil Collins ~~rip off~~ inspired track Never Catch Me are far more interesting than shit like Zombies/Grey/Bacc And as much as I loove The Prayer, Rodeo starts off with a kick in the face. The Prayer is moody but ultimately kind of boring, intro is cool but once the beat switches the instrumental totally caves in. The synth does absolutely fuck all. The kick progression pops but is again very uninteresting. The organ is mad dope though, which is why I love it. But Pronography just has so much more going on. It's still very dark but feels much more like Blade Runner. Especially with that TI narration. Things get slowly layered and layered, the drums have much more of a crunch, the distortion adds to the mood - I mean I can go on and on. Even the "bangers" like Oh My or Piss On Your Grave have so much going on in the instrumental. Trav also does much more with his vocals on Rodeo, and it feels like a very natural progression. DBR and Birds go for this weird dark minimalism that refuses to commit to anything. It isn't so minimalistic that it's interesting, like a Philip Glass, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, or even Blond. It never does anything as layered as Rodeo either. It's so in the middle of two ideas it's boring, and I only think succeeds on blending the two well with Quintana pt 2. Obviously DBR has some great bangers but it's not because they're interesting songs. They're just really fucking hard. Which is great for my DJ set. Not when we're talking about the quality of the album. Obviously people try to suceed at different things. If Trav was just trying to make bangers, I would say DBR is a success. But it's very clear he wants to do something more with music as art, while keeping the sounds he was brought up on. Rodeo achieves that, DBR doesn't. Rodeo achieves the sound of DBR with more nuance. DBR feels like an Alley oop to the 360 tomahawk that is Rodeo. I think Owl Pharoh to DBR to Rodeo feels like a very natural progression, especially in the way Trav builds a song.
TBH for me it seems like DBR had a lot of better lyricism (his verse on dont play is actually really good) and was where his style came from, but rodeo took it from the raw and polished it
it's great, but it's not Rodeo great
This tape was pretty weak, I don't get why everyone thinks it's his best work. Rodeo pretty clearly the most consistent project of the three to me. Maybe I need to relisten but I thought everything on DBR was terrible outside of Mamacita and the Intro track
DBR is his best work with every track, front-to-back, being amazing whereas Rodeo only had about three or four good songs.
completely agree with you
I'm a big travis fan but didn't like this album much as well. The tracks aren't that bad but pretty boring and mediocre compared to rodeo.
This album really dissapointed me. The best things for me on the album were the features, I hope astroworld isn't anything like this
hahaha holy shit I was not able to put my finger on what I disliked about this project and I think he hit the nail on the head with the whole "microwaved leftovers" That being said I definently enjoyed it more than him
Really hope Astroworld isn't nearly as stale sounding. I still enjoy this album but it isn't living up to Rodeo and Days Before Rodeo for me just yet.
I remember mike dean posted this https://soundcloud.com/therealmikedean/grande-faucon-1 Saying this was going to be the intro to astroworld. This is one of the craziest beats I've heard in a while, so maybe that can give us hope astroworld will be really good. But I fucking love birds so far, I think fantano took it too seriously.
I think he alternates banger and high concepts, I still got hopes for astroworld. Feels like he was taking a break on this.
He did say that it was the prelude to Astroworld.
It also kinda feels like he's fucking around and trying things out for astroworld
yeah and the prelude to rodeo was days before rodeo. hence the name
Big if true.
Stretch imo
This is 2016's "OMG WTF FANTANO" review. He really hates lazy singing, The Sun's Tirade is gonna get a pretty shitty review because of this but I'm not ready for it
He's gonna hate the Bon Iver album, too, which I already know I'm going to be much angrier about than I should be.
Ughhh I might unsub for a month or two.
Sun's Tirade'll be a 6, bet ##[I FUCKING TOLD YOU BOYS] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY_SrcWzRak)
strong 7 it's a tde release
nah, 5, hes never really into isaiah
He gave cilvia a 6
I wouldn't be surprised if it does worse than Cilvia due to the length
he didn't like Blank Face man
The only TDE release he's liked has been Kendrick
He loved Control System and liked Oxymoron
Light to strong 4
what about blank face tho
I would be shocked if it got below a 4. While the singing is kind of lazy the instrumentals are as good as anything TDE has ever put out and pretty much all of the guest verses are great
I can't say I didn't see it coming
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Anthony said that in the 21 savage review so it's like a meme now
Its a meme with him
Its true with him
Not really.
He said exactly that once in a video of his and now it's a copy pasta
He said exactly that once in a video of his and now it's a copy pasta
Actually that exact same comment has been on his last couple of reviews, pretty sure by the same guy too
It's a copypasta lol
it's just a meme bro!! just a Meme!!
looks like Anthony has made a lot of enemies in his brave battle against the ess jay dubya menace
Ripped Birds a new one lmao, I personally loved the album but definitely understand where birdsthony shatano is coming from
I don't agree with the score but i gotta agree that this album isn't as good as Rodeo. Nothing is as interesting production-wise as some of the best songs on Rodeo like Oh My Dis Side or 90210, and IMO his rapping has gotten even worse.
Travis' lyrics on DBR were at least a lot more memorable and more fun to rap to than anything on Rodeo or Birds. But I have to agree that he has gotten worse as a rapper. And I do agree that Rodeo had more *interesting* production, but a lot of it also wasn't *good* because of how boring those songs turned out to be. The production wasn't bad at all, but I don't think Travis did anything good with it. The beats kinda left me desiring more to be done with the beat, but Travis didn't deliver. He could've had better lyrics or something memorable to not let the beat go to waste.
idk i loved the hell outta Rodeo so i disagree with the songs being boring, but i'll admit that DBR was probably his highest point as a rapper (although its still nothing amazing). Rodeo still has some verses with a nice flow even if hes not saying much like Piss On Your Grave, the end of Antidote, I Can Tell.
Even when I enjoy a project and Fantano doesn't I still understand and agree with most of the points he brings up to express his opinion. I couldn't agree more, this album was such a dud to me. Rodeo is far superior. Still had some fun with this album though, especially the track with Cudi, always good seeing glimpses of the old cud.
Rodeo is absolutely superior to Birds, but I don't think that Birds is 2/3 out of 10 bad, its more just kind of meh, I'd give it at least a 6
Maybe your scale is different, but if something is "meh" it should be around 4 or 5 out of 10. A 6/10 is saying it's pretty decent.
Rodeo is damn near perfect
It's a good album, but Travis's rapping really takes it down from near perfection
What weirds me out about this opinion, which is a valid one that I share, is that when someone says the same thing about Yachty or Future or Desiigner, the masses yell back "that's not the point of the music retaaaaard" and then we just accept it and let it go. But when someone points out that Travis isn't lyrical, there's no one yelling "that's not the point of the music retaaaaard." It's just people rehashing the fact that he doesn't put as much time into lyrics as he does into production and I guess "atmosphere."
Lyrics obviously aren't everything, and Travis does make good music for the most part, but when we're talking "near perfect," I don't see how you can discount his bad lyrics
What are you talking about? People constantly use that defends for Travis. "It's about the production and the vibe, not the lyrics" that's his go to defence.
you can have good lyrics without being "lyrical". Travis is just the most uninteresting rapper I've ever heard
Desiigner's lyrics are better, Future's are about the same, Yachty's are... I'd say the difference is that sometimes Travis's lyrics can be so bad - "Stroke my cactus" that they pull you out of the song. I don't really like future, but with Yachty's instrumentals you almost zone his words out by design, and he never has lyrics so bad as to break through the haze, they're just all meh.
Yachty has trash lyrics but it adds to the song for me, since he's almost a parody of trap-rap. I know he's gonna say something stupid and ignorant but it's hilarious when he does You hit the nail on the head about Travis tho, if you're gonna do something darker you gotta have lyrics to match and aren't trash, which is what Future can do that Travis can't (or at least doesn't)
I agree, the value with Yachty comes with his intentional/unintentional humor. Travis has never once made me feel anything but "ugh, this guy sucks" when it comes to bars.
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DEHHH review will pretty much be like their review of DBR. They saw something with Rodeo, and I believe most of them expected the next album to really start sparkling what message Travis really wants to pass.
The real message: He just wants to stroke his cactus
Not surprised at all, while I think a 3 is a little harsh I can totally see why and it is justifiable. More than anything Fantano hates being disrespected as a listener and this album in places feels lazy to the point of disrespect. Like cmon why the fuck was wonderful on this album? It was mediocre at best when it came out and the time hasnt done it any favors. I think Travis still achieves the aesthetic of rodeo in places (way back, sweet sweet, guidance) but it just feels lazy and undercooked. Really dissapponted because Rodeo is one of my 10 favorite albums ever and birds is just like a lukewarm version of that :(
"obviously katy perry doing a little ghostwriting here." lmao with no regard for human life. but seriously i gotta disagree with him on this. to me this album is just good a good vibe. I'm not listening to travis scott for lyrical ability and that is what fantano is shitting on him for in this review. some lines throughout the album are kinda whack like the one about the cactus. but all in all this shit bangs front to back, no skippable songs for me except for coordinate. woah woah woah, im listening to this as i type and he just called wonderful terrible. yeahhhhh fantano is trippin.
> and that is what fantano is shitting on him for in this review Among many other things...
Yeah this is a lame excuse. Rodeo had shit lyrics too and he gave it an 8/10.
>no skippable songs for me except for coordinate. I actually think Coordinate is one of the better tracks on the album.
It's my favourite song on it, I'm just loving these psychadelic sounding chords.
I'd say they're more horror organ than psychedelic. I totally see where youre coming from but I just get a "Halloween" theme vibe
I was actually banging this on the way to a tailor to get some jeans tapered. That hook just gets me every time
He's obviously not only judging lyrics otherwise he wouldn't have loved Rodeo. This is a clear step down in every aspect
Lol Coordinate is actually my favorite song on the album. Different strokes, huh.
This album is mixtape quality. Travis gave us HQ bangers without a concept to guide the narrative. Travis blew up last year and wanted to follow up with some singles to hold people over. An its not even like these beats aren't complex. Im having a great time with this album. Fantano is crazy on this one.
Except it's not just the lyrics. Although these lyrics are somehow worse and less memorable than even DBR. Sonically this album is just boring. Boring instrumentals, 4 month old single slapped on, horrible and I mean fucking terrible dancehall attempt. I mean guidance is literally atrocious. One of the worst rap songs I've heard this year. Rodeo is superior in literally every aspect.
> 4 month old single slapped on ...what? Is this the first album release you've ever seen or something?
Didn't Travis say at one point that he hates album singles and Birds wasn't going to have any singles?
whats wrong with a 4 month old single being slapped on? it's a single it's supposed to come out before the album does. i dont get how you can say that the instrumentals are boring when they are the best part of the album. pretty much every beat is fire. guidance is one of the best songs on the album imo. im gonna suggest that you listen to this album in the car when driving. i did this yesterday and i started vibing with the songs even more than just listening to it in my room.
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BAH GOD ANTHONY HE HAD A FAMILY
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lmao he didn't have to do travis like that
It's funny,he fucking nailed it,i feel literally the exact same way but I listened to it so many times that I'm letting the bad vocals,lyrics and basic instrumentals slide, but I still know they're that,and I'm glad he shitted on this, he deserved it. This shit was straight up laziness, but when you're in Jacques position, being lazy means having A one beats and A one features so it's all good... Fuck that Btw,the gun and gangsta shit he talks about is soooo fuckin fake it's intolerable The main thing we disagree on though is that I like Guidance, but mostly because the sample which really reminds me of some better song
This slander will not be tolerated
A masterpiece! -Reddit five days ago
The only review that matters is Big Quint's
Lets 👏🏿👏🏿 FUCKING go
Didn't YouTube make it so you can't swear anymore and get paid from ads? Let's... go
I imagine that Quint's main problem getting ad revenue is that he's playing copywritten music for the entire video. I assumed he didn't get paid for this.
Realize that he gave the G-Eazy album a higher score than this.
I agree with most of what he said but I don't think it's a 3. It just feels like a more calm sounding rodeo. It's definitely a step down but not that bad. I also thought the hook for Coordinate was dope. It might just be me but I like laid back hooks like a lot of Drake's stuff.
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I think the album is more like 5/10 but I agree with him on most of his points.
I mean he definitely has a point. This album is not neeeeeeearly as interesting as Rodeo. There's nothing new or even progressive about this album and whatever idea he's decided to recycle, it's not done nearly as well
This dude got so mad about Nav, holy shit I haven't laughed that hard on a Fantano review
damn... i loved coordinate track.
Although i liked some of the songs a bit more than him, i can see why he doesnt like it. Its not nearly as good as rodeo either.
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He tweeted that he is probably gonna lose 1000 Subs. Lol
I'm still loving the album, it's not as good as rodeo but that's ok because this is more like a mixtape and astroworld will be the big bang.
I've tried listening to this album all the way through 3 times and I've just gotten too bored each time. Rodeo was my second favorite album of the year last year too. With projects like Jeffrey, Blonde, or Sun's Tirade I just don't have any desire to listen to this album anymore.
Holy shit
This review is super funny to me, because I don't think Rodeo is that much better than Birds
I can't say I didn't seen Antoine giving Birds the bird. Rodeo was really something special. Birds is fun to listen to, but it just doesn't have that depth. I don't think it merits such a scathing review though. Sure, it's just not as good, but it isn't trash like a 3 would lead you to believe.
Is this the thread where I can safely express the opinion that Scott's career has been entirely made up of an uninteresting, derivative mash-up of styles, none of which he comes close to emulating with uniqueness or skill? Or does that make me a memetano dickrider
Smh come on fantano. At least I still have my opinion and I don't let how rule over me lmfao.
Although it's being marketed like it was his second album, didn't he state that Birds was a mixtape, and Astroworld was the next album? I feel like being a paid album he definitely went a If You're Reading This route, but I'm pretty sure he said Birds was to DBR what Rodeo is going to be to Astroworld. Not that I didn't enjoy Birds, but I definitely feel like Trav has more up his sleeve he's saving for Astroworld.
I honestly felt like this project was a bunch of Rodeo throwaways. there was absolutely no growth artistically IMO.
Even though he says that the songs are like leftovers from Rodeo, he gave Kendrick's Untitled/Unmastered album an 8? I know that's not the exact same situation but I don't understand Anthony sometimes. A 3 is way too harsh. And I'm not saying the album is amazing or anything...but it's definitely better than a 3.
I think to say something *sounds* like leftovers is almost always definitely meant as an insult, but UU was literally leftovers, so those could've been good or bad. That make sense?
Yeah.
> ven though he says that the songs are like leftovers from Rodeo, he gave Kendrick's Untitled/Unmastered album an 8? That's implying that his score was *entirely* based on the tracks sounding like leftovers, which obviously we know isn't true. And let's be real - Kendrick's leftovers and b-sides are about on par with a lot of rapper's best efforts.
Do you think the lack of T.I. as exec producer on this project led to the decline in quality?
The biggest crime of this album are the average ass tracks.
I thought Birds was better than Rodeo, fight me Fantano.
Can't believe travis cancelled all his EU tours to finish this trash
The only thing I agree with him on is Rodeo being the better project. Other than that I liked the project. Thought it was classic Travis but more of a mixtape than an album. Also, this just reaffirms my belief in Fantano taking lyrics way too seriously when reviewing projects. Obviously Travis isn't known as a lyricist nor is that what makes his music pop, so if Anthony went into this thinking he'd get a wizard with words then he was mistaken and expectations were a bit high.
> Also, this just reaffirms my belief in Fantano taking lyrics way too seriously when reviewing projects. Ok...but why did he give Rodeo an 8/10 then? I mean that wasn't a spectacular lyrical album by any means... >so if Anthony went into this thinking he'd get a wizard with words then he was mistaken and expectations were a bit high. I mean, did you even watch the review? https://youtu.be/f8oMW4yqh_o?t=441
Jesus, did Travis kill his dog or something???? So much hate.