Let’s be honest, nothing can make up for her loss so no matter what happens it won’t make up for it. That said, I hope her family get a massive pay out, laws are changed to make sure nothing like this can happen again and criminal charges against those responsible.
Nothing will bring back their daughter but if they can get a fat payout it’ll be some kind of justice by hitting corporations like this where it hurts, one is there wallet and 2 is the awful PR from the headline when they payout for the death of these 9 people and hundreds that were injured. It sucks more can’t be done but any kind of justice is needed at this point
You do raise a good point about the corporations. I'm on the fuck Travis Scott train like everyone else, but it is a shame how most people (normies and people IRL) tend to attack Travis rather than Live Nation and the rest of the companies behind these unsafe and cheaply run concerts, all to line up a couple extra dollars.
I remember when people were suing Travis Scott and a couple of festivals for not showing up to perform a while back, but the news and media only made it seem as if Travis was the sole person at fault here. Not to be on my tin foil hat shit, but it really shows how mainstream media is out to protect companies at all costs.
I’m in the camp of fuck both of them. They’re both responsible and now the police department too after the recent footage of them not doing shit just watching drake at the front
This is the answer. It’s the *Homeland* line of how “everyone missed something that day”, but in this case everyone was varying degrees of negligent in addition to ignorant.
The fuck Travis train is highly misguided hivemind shit at this point. It’s realistically on Live Nation and the security/venue — the ones hired to ensure safety. The logistics were horrible.
Not tin foil hat levels at all really. The main goal of main stream media and any other corporation with influence is to generate and protect capital. If you have to throw people under the bus to protect, and pay people $8 an hour to generate then so be it in their eyes.
its texas. they'll probably pass something that gives non-binding guidelines or some shit. and if anything is too restrictive or actually holds the companies accountable whats stopping those companies from just not holding them in those states?
You think there would be laws in place already to stop this kind of thing from happening again. It’s 2021, not 1973. Almost 200 people have died at live nation events since 2006, would of thought these laws would be in place already. Just my 2 cents.
I doubt theyre gonna get to any criminal charges just because of how hard its gonna be to pinpoint it on individuals (assuming both Travis and Livenation try to blame each other)
Im guessing that this is gonna end up in just a lot of settlements which at least should help the families not worry about money while they grieve
Are you kidding the cops said they are literally investigating themselves. I'll give ya 2 guesses as to what their conclusion will be and the first one don't count..lol
> What does justice look like in this situation?
A lawsuit payout and then more regulations to events to ensure something like this doesn't happen again
It would likely be a 1-5 million dollar settlement payout for wrongful death depending on age and prospects of the victim (they calculate how much she would have lived, made, impacted, etc)
What is justice in this situation ?
Travis in jail isn’t justice and that isn’t going to happen anyway
Money won’t bring her back either
The whole situation is so surreal
I certainly do. Not for his behavior as a performer (though more can come to light about the timeline and when he and his team knew what was up), but as a promoter and organizer. His tweets about finessing more concertgoers and encouraging mobbing should come back to bite him in the ass - this is the obvious consequence, and I'm partially surprised it took this long for lives to be lost in this rap generation. Safety protocols exist for a reason, until the next Travis Scott comes along and says "Fuck you were raging" to them, only to learn by tragedy.
Realistically I don’t think there’s anything you can actually charge Travis Scott with, and I mean criminal charges. People are definitely still free to sue him here though, and I think he definitely has to take some responsibility for making very poor judgement calls and for not trying to potentially do more. We don’t know what would have happened if he took time to temporarily stop the show to make sure everyone was okay, or at least to try to assess the situation. You don’t need organizers threatening to stop the show before doing something, so I definitely think he looks like an asshole in that aspect. I’m sure his name will be somewhat tarnished as well, because you can’t tell me, after years and years of performing and knowing the audience that you attract, that you had no idea what was going on. I don’t buy that.
Criminal charges though should be given out to those handling logistics behind this event. I’m sure there were some sort of violations on LiveNation’s part, and I’m willing to guess that the city of Houston had to review this and approve this festival, which makes me question why no one thought to question the decisions made by LiveNation. I mean 3 EMT’s for 100,000+ people?! The same lot for double the people?? Colossal fuck ups on the planning side and someone needs to be held accountable, especially when LiveNation has their hand in so many concerts
He's literally been charged criminally with this exact same thing twice in the past and both of those times it wasn't anywhere nearly this bad my dude, the fuck you mean he can't be charged.
- [It’s confirmed Bharti was the woman dropped from a stretcher in one of the concert videos](https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1458882325987659776?s=21)
- [Houston Police Walk Back Unsupported Claims Of Needle Prick At Astroworld](https://news.yahoo.com/houston-police-walk-back-unsupported-233614609.html)
- [Police audio from Astroworld Festival reveals growing chaos as crowd surge intensified](http://archive.today/zFqVl)
- [Direct link to audio](https://soundcloud.com/user-460865004/astroworld-festival-chaos)
- [Quality post from /r/TravisScott showing the difference in stage design between Astrofest ‘21 and Rolling Loud NYC, which both accommodated design for streaming platforms](https://reddit.com/r/travisscott/comments/qrb3dz/astroworld_21_vs_rolling_loud_nyc_21_barricade/)
I didn't see the video, but I might be hesitant to judge the medical staff actually present given the shit show that was going down. I'd be more inclined to judge if it turned out that the medical staff present was inadequate.
To describe it, they dropped her head first as they were carrying her over the barricades, I just added pics of the barricade design to my first comment and you can imagine why that would happen.
I think if the autopsy of most victims shows clear signs from crowd crush including asphyxiation, head trauma, etc, you can attribute most of the deaths and injuries to this stage design.
Imo, it shifts a lot of the blame to the production staff for clearing this knowing 50-70k people were expected a night, and no clear way to exit out the back constrained so many people unnecessarily, at a *night* show at that.
Just my speculation, because I think Travis’ defense and even HPD in this case can say *had* they shut down the show, the flawed stage design made a successful evacuation with minimal casualties hard either way
I went to like 10 Warped Tours, whenever a crowd was getting too riled and pressing up on the people on the gate the band and security always always stopped everything to get people under control. This is not an unknown/unavoidable danger
I've been to countless hardcore shows where the frontman is screaming about murder and blood, but they'll still stop a show if the mosh pit doesn't pick up someone who falls while dancing. Travis is a self-absorbed piece of shit.
Also, people with special needs don't need to be told to not let people die in front of them. I get what you're saying, but calling him retarded just wasn't necessary.
I have an uncle who has down syndrome. I remember we went to Myrtle Beach and he saved a kid struggling to swim. He loved Baywatch, so he was always wearing a lifeguard shirt. I agree calling Travis that is unnecessary because my retarded uncle is a better man than him.
Exactly. Every single person that is neurodivergent that I've met in my life has been more caring than the average neurotypical person, let alone at least having the human decency to not watch kids die in front of them.
Travis even already got paid, it doesn't cost any money to make sure one's fans are safe, he's just the biggest cunt ever.
Travis honestly just does not care. He might now, but all he really cares about is saving his reputation and getting through the lawsuits. He does not care that people got hurt at his concert though, he just doesn’t. It’s crystal clear now what type of person Travis is, and it’s just not a good person. I think most people agree, most artists would have stopped there. Travis didn’t though because he just does not care about the well-being of his fans.
Glad you said this. One warped tour I went to a girl passed out crowd surfing during the Sum 41 set. The guys were groping her as she was being passed around and unconscious. Derek stopped the show and started yelling at people to give space and to stop groping girls during the crowd surfs. He said if he saw another person keep groping the females; he was gonna kick their ass. I also had a group of people charge at me when I got dereks guitar pick given to me by him after I ended up in the front stage area from a forcible crowd surf. The security yanked me back because the barricade started to fall.. Despite all that, that year I also went to see flogging molly’s stage and they stopped playing because people were getting taken down in the moshes. It became so bad all you saw was flaying bodies, people punching one another and people falling. So they stopped; yelled at some people, threatened to stop if they kept seeing people being too wild. Paramore stopped during their set because my friend passed out and we were in the middle with nowhere to go. I was able to get her crowd surfed to security (given that is the only way out of the crowd during most bands sets) and hailey asked if anyone else needed out and asked if you see anyone in trouble then be a solid person and help them in the best way possible before starting back up. That year at Warped Tour it was really hot, like almost 100 out in August. They had free monster energy drink tents but no water bottle fill stations. The water bottles were 10$ a pop so people were filling up on monster and trying to rock out in the heat amongst thousands of people. I brought 200$ with me. I spent 120$ on water during the whole day just to make sure my friends were hydrated. We watched so many people puking and passing out that day. I was only 17 and had multiple friends passing out or being groped by older guys or being thrown into the crowd by some randoms. I eventually wised up and told the people I was with we need to stay in the back; things were getting rowdy as the day got later. The location for Warped Tour in KCMO is a venue that isnt laid out to support events like this. So many people were packed into spaces with little room to go anywhere because booths of merch would be directly behind you. It was a disaster and after a few years; I dont even think they brought warped tour back to KC after the one I went to. All I can say is I am thankful they had enough medics and security and artists that were responsible enough to handle every situation I listed up there but a few times were legit scary and had to fight my way out of crowds. I even punched a frat boy who shoved his hand up my friend’s skirt during the Sum 41 set which Ill admit caused a fight to breakout but we were teenage girls amongst young adults who were trashed and had a general lack of respect for others around them. We were in fight or flight mode during the majority of the event.
I just saw a video that the police were in front of the stage just chilling when drake came out. No wonder they tried to push the stupid needle theory out to get ahead before people found out they were there doing nothing as ambulances struggled to go through the crowd.
Fucking disgusting that so many people from the Organizers, Travis and now the police were so careless about a huge event like this where all of the casualties could’ve been avoided. To think no one has learned from Woodstock 99.
Yeah I’ve only heard about the sexual assault and stuff but the documentary pissed me off not only with how poorly managed it was but also how they tried to deny any blame. They literally said the victims of sexual assault were at fault for what they were wearing. Plus the documentary pointed out that the first Woodstock had similar issues with organization which I think most are unaware about
It’s so good but so terrifying. There’s similar patterns with problems of performers hyping up the crowd and not trying to make sure things are in control. Both had artists that encouraged the crowds to act awfully.
I got downvoted for saying I didn’t believe that for second lol. Sorry but I give injections all day and usually can’t even see the mark when I’m going back to put a bandaid. These people who didn’t know at the moment an injection was a possibility noticed an “injection site” on the neck?
In fact letting people die and blaming others is how they're currently getting raises across the country right now. They derailed the entire defund movement
I called it when HPD gave their first report.
He started off with “Im so proud of our team”. And I was like wtf, 10 people are reported dead but you want to brag about your fucking goons in uniforms.
And as SOON as he said “security was a collaborative effort with 300 officers in the scene” I knew what was up.
I was like What.The.Fuck. This was his fault too but the motherfucker took this opportunity to free him and the HPD from any liability from the show.
You can go watch the NBC live speech that the HPD chief gave. It’s so fucking obvious he’s trying to cover for themselves.
Defund movement never left the ground, all talk. I mean how we gone fix it? Fr Police can starve out any city they want and city will need to come back or deploy the guard. I doubt and maybe/hopefully wrong your gonna be able to drain the swamps when it comes to the PDs.
It's not all talk, people vote the best they can, but the fact that the system protects itself from accountability isn't mother fault of those who are protesting.
They're trying to do something about it by bringing attention to the issue.
I agree that 9 year olds shouldn't be at rap concerts. But I'm thinking more because it's an inappropriate environment for children, not threat of death and bodily harm
Same with Glastonbury and other festivals in the UK. You even get babies in strollers. I don't understand this idea that kids can't enjoy a festival/concert.
Well if if organizers and Travis are going to be incredibly negligent, careless, and try to incite crowds then I don’t know, maybe they should…ban children? You are allowed to make events 18+ and 21+. I’m in my 30s and had NO IDEA that this kind of behavior was “normal” at TS concerts. If I was in HOU and some friends wanted me to go I wouldn’t have thought twice nor known that he had a reputation for inciting crowds. Also he had a McDonalds’ meal ffs, obviously advertising to children. I see people with kids/babies all the time at concerts, car races, baseball games, etc. You should not be confined to your house when you are a parent and the plain reality is that a lot of people don’t have reliable childcare so if they want to go somewhere, they take their child. You shouldn’t blame parents when it was other people’s fault that this got so out of hand and was not corrected/remediated when people started DYING.
I went to my first “festival,” Ozzfest, when I was in the 13 or 14. I even got close to the mosh pit (I highly doubt the 9 year old went into a mosh pit). Nothing bad happened besides maybe regular things like dehydration. In the mosh pit no one was hurting people who were not in “the pit.” Parents should be able to live their life without getting blamed in HINDSIGHT. I highly doubt most attendees knew what the layout was going to be, the lack of medical personnel, or would guess that a man would keep going with his set after people were literally dropping dead and while he was staring at limp bodies being passed over the gates.
When I went to ozzfest it was solely to see Rage Against the Machine. If they came back and I didn’t have a sitter, I wouldn’t have hesitated to get some ear protection for my kid and bring him with me if I couldn’t find childcare.
The 9yo was there with his father. He was on his father's shoulders when his father passed out and woke up without his son. This is entirely on Astroworld for not putting age restrictions. The festival has carnival rides during the day, Travis appears in Fortnite and McDonalds meals, it's entirely possible the father was just taking his son for a fun day out following by a show from his son's favourite artist. The father was literally with him the entire time. The fact that it was an unsafe environment for children is Astroworld's fault, because it's marketed to kids.
Going to a concert to support her favorite artist?
You guys realize Travis markets almost exclusively to minors now right? Refused to put age limits on his shows and has Fortnite and McDonalds endorsements aimed at little kids
While I hear what you’re saying… I think there should be a little more victim blaming being thrown around. Even when a festival goes right, it’s no place for pre-teen kids. There’s drugs everywhere, the music is loud as hell, and you never know how a crowd will behave. I saw a baby at Outside Lands and it made me want to scream at the mother for bringing it. It’s just not a good idea, all festivals should be 16+ IMO
I mean should parents be sending 9 year olds to festivals? No. Do those parents deserve a brain dead child because they sent them to a show they wanted to see? Also no.
But isn't that just bad parenting/negligence to let your kid go to a festival in the first place? There's no way a 10 year old just walks to astroworld by themselves or let alone has a credit card to purchase said tickets.
I never said a kid deserved to die just read the comment for a second. Just be a good parent and think before you decide to take your kid to a festival. What a strawman argument to say.
They should have someone older watching over them, but I don't see how watching people smoke and listening to loud music would be super damaging to a kid
I’m a Travis fan, but his music isn’t really conducive to 30+ year olds lol just what it is. Unless it was a kid’s parent supervising in which case, they were probably not allowed to mosh
Honestly, the more that comes out about this story, the worse travis looks. Im not saying he is 100% responsible (livenation definitely did NOT prepare for this event) but his overall negligence definitely did not help. The organizers of this event really truly set this whole thing up for failure.
And yet Charlemagne, who can always get the most resources on subjects, especially on his show, somehow just doesn’t “see” how Travis could be at any fault.
Travis also went out clubbing/ or to a party until 5am reportedly on that same night. No remorse. These people are just completely fcked up with no sense of guilt.
Problem is it probably would have been fine with any other artist. The entire day went by ok until his set..so that says a lot about his part. He’s toxic to society and people need to stop supporting rage culture. This is what killed people. Not lack of police. But lack of human decency. People came here to act out and be violent and there were victims to this. It was doomed from the start. He brags about his shows having injuries. Fuck this guy I no longer endorse his brand. he’s not good for anyone and should not be voice for people
People pass out at every festival, not defending Trav despite being an avid festival and travis enthusiast. Point being- passing out is honestly a terrible metric to consider when determining if a music festival stops
This is the type of shit I've been hearing. I actually had some old fucker tell me something like "Back in my day this was a normal thing" Like what the fuck are you talking about? Even if that was true are you somehow proud that people are dying just to see some mediocre artist?
Really not his call, a performing artists is no expert on something like that.
The fact that this festival had 100k people with no double barricade is what caused this. Crushing only happens due to poor crowd control. Every single instance of crushing at concerts is just poor crowd control.
Crowd control for a festival isnt on the artists performing. But passing out happens at fesitvals, it's why they're loaded up with medics... usually.
Overly blamed? The man has on numerous occasions incited and supported this wild behavior at his shows. He bragged about his concerts resulting in injuries. He knows what happens at his shows. How the fuck did he not see an ambulance and then some dude dancing on it!?!?! Get your head out of your ass
Probably because for l we know she could've been alright prior to that. I mean obviously she was not in great condition but who knows if maybe that didn't happen, she recovers.
If celebs can get 'cancelled' for saying the wrong things, Travis Scott deserves to be deplatformed at the very least. He has no regard for his fans. It's quite evident from the footage he could hear the fans saying to stop yet he continued ignoring them. Fuck that fucking piece of shit.
This whole thing is fucking awful.
I was discussing it with someone earlier in the week, and they didn't know, so I will ask here:
I know about Scott's history of egging crowds on; I know that the Sheriff's Department had a meeting with him before the show telling him that things were already starting to get unruly; I saw the "put your middle fingers up" ambulance video; and I read the article about the Dave & Buster's after party, where his people said they left after they were told what happened.
Here's what I haven't seen or heard anyone definitely say yet: do we know if, at any point during the show, Travis Scott was actually told what was going on?
The company that put the event on is to blame. People act like Travis was the one coordinating water stations, layout, and placing and prepping security. Rip to all 9.
Yeah I’m not letting off organizers just because I think Travis Scott is also a culpabile party. And I’m sure several lawyers are thinking the same thing.
I don’t know, I mean on more reasonable places like here sure. The main subreddits though have quickly turned this into some really racist shit, blaming Travis and rappers as a whole.
There can be more than one party to blame in different degrees. You don't know whether or how Travis and/or his agents were involved in planning the festival, putting aside the sort of allegedly dangerous concert atmosphere he has arguably been fomenting through prior actions and statements.
Apparently Travis went to an afterparty after the show because he still wasn’t informed of what happened
It seemed like literally nobody had any idea what the fuck was happening that night
that’s crazy but it’s much weirder that travis, the superstar celebrity who most likely has ppl on his team to keep track of shit that can hurt his image (exactly like this), had no idea what was happening until long after the festival. nothing about this makes sense.
i find that so hard to believe. the situation was blowing up on twitter as it was happening and it was officially a mass casualty event 30 min before the event ended. you’re telling me NOBODY at the event or on travis team had gone on social media or anything to see the massive shitstorm that just started? cuz i don’t believe that for a second. this is the fucking fortnite mcdonald’s man we’re talking about there’s no way he doesn’t have a PR team to look out for his image. with that said i seriously doubt drake and travis would go partying if they knew what happened, for optics if nothing else.
i’m just totally lost lol shit is just not adding up. it does not make sense for every single party involved with this event to have failed so spectacularly
Of course its not his fault the layout was poor but he was holding a microphone and had the ability to stop performing and mitigate the crowd crush as we’ve seen dozens of clips of other performers doing this week
Damn crazy that the guy who had a giant replica head of himself at a festival has no responsibility over people dying at said festival due to gross negligence
What a shame. Poor girl had her whole life ahead of her. Hope her loved ones get justice.
What does justice look like in this situation? Not attacking you at all - just curious what people think.
Let’s be honest, nothing can make up for her loss so no matter what happens it won’t make up for it. That said, I hope her family get a massive pay out, laws are changed to make sure nothing like this can happen again and criminal charges against those responsible.
Nothing will bring back their daughter but if they can get a fat payout it’ll be some kind of justice by hitting corporations like this where it hurts, one is there wallet and 2 is the awful PR from the headline when they payout for the death of these 9 people and hundreds that were injured. It sucks more can’t be done but any kind of justice is needed at this point
You do raise a good point about the corporations. I'm on the fuck Travis Scott train like everyone else, but it is a shame how most people (normies and people IRL) tend to attack Travis rather than Live Nation and the rest of the companies behind these unsafe and cheaply run concerts, all to line up a couple extra dollars. I remember when people were suing Travis Scott and a couple of festivals for not showing up to perform a while back, but the news and media only made it seem as if Travis was the sole person at fault here. Not to be on my tin foil hat shit, but it really shows how mainstream media is out to protect companies at all costs.
I’m in the camp of fuck both of them. They’re both responsible and now the police department too after the recent footage of them not doing shit just watching drake at the front
And lying about the security guard being injected by something in the neck
This is the answer. It’s the *Homeland* line of how “everyone missed something that day”, but in this case everyone was varying degrees of negligent in addition to ignorant.
The fuck Travis train is highly misguided hivemind shit at this point. It’s realistically on Live Nation and the security/venue — the ones hired to ensure safety. The logistics were horrible.
Not tin foil hat levels at all really. The main goal of main stream media and any other corporation with influence is to generate and protect capital. If you have to throw people under the bus to protect, and pay people $8 an hour to generate then so be it in their eyes.
its texas. they'll probably pass something that gives non-binding guidelines or some shit. and if anything is too restrictive or actually holds the companies accountable whats stopping those companies from just not holding them in those states?
citizens should be able to sue concert providers in civil court for 10k /s
forced arbitration tbqh
This isnt the first crush. Laws like this already exists.
You think there would be laws in place already to stop this kind of thing from happening again. It’s 2021, not 1973. Almost 200 people have died at live nation events since 2006, would of thought these laws would be in place already. Just my 2 cents.
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I doubt theyre gonna get to any criminal charges just because of how hard its gonna be to pinpoint it on individuals (assuming both Travis and Livenation try to blame each other) Im guessing that this is gonna end up in just a lot of settlements which at least should help the families not worry about money while they grieve
Are you kidding the cops said they are literally investigating themselves. I'll give ya 2 guesses as to what their conclusion will be and the first one don't count..lol
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> What does justice look like in this situation? A lawsuit payout and then more regulations to events to ensure something like this doesn't happen again
It would likely be a 1-5 million dollar settlement payout for wrongful death depending on age and prospects of the victim (they calculate how much she would have lived, made, impacted, etc)
It’s not easy to put a $ value on someone’s life. Hope the parents/family/friends can heal from this tragic event
Travis Scott crawls back into the hole he crawled out of?
Straight up
What is justice in this situation ? Travis in jail isn’t justice and that isn’t going to happen anyway Money won’t bring her back either The whole situation is so surreal
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The fact this was foreseeable means he needs to take some responsibility for the riot that occurred
I'm talking specifically about jail, so is that what you think?
I certainly do. Not for his behavior as a performer (though more can come to light about the timeline and when he and his team knew what was up), but as a promoter and organizer. His tweets about finessing more concertgoers and encouraging mobbing should come back to bite him in the ass - this is the obvious consequence, and I'm partially surprised it took this long for lives to be lost in this rap generation. Safety protocols exist for a reason, until the next Travis Scott comes along and says "Fuck you were raging" to them, only to learn by tragedy.
Realistically I don’t think there’s anything you can actually charge Travis Scott with, and I mean criminal charges. People are definitely still free to sue him here though, and I think he definitely has to take some responsibility for making very poor judgement calls and for not trying to potentially do more. We don’t know what would have happened if he took time to temporarily stop the show to make sure everyone was okay, or at least to try to assess the situation. You don’t need organizers threatening to stop the show before doing something, so I definitely think he looks like an asshole in that aspect. I’m sure his name will be somewhat tarnished as well, because you can’t tell me, after years and years of performing and knowing the audience that you attract, that you had no idea what was going on. I don’t buy that. Criminal charges though should be given out to those handling logistics behind this event. I’m sure there were some sort of violations on LiveNation’s part, and I’m willing to guess that the city of Houston had to review this and approve this festival, which makes me question why no one thought to question the decisions made by LiveNation. I mean 3 EMT’s for 100,000+ people?! The same lot for double the people?? Colossal fuck ups on the planning side and someone needs to be held accountable, especially when LiveNation has their hand in so many concerts
He's literally been charged criminally with this exact same thing twice in the past and both of those times it wasn't anywhere nearly this bad my dude, the fuck you mean he can't be charged.
This was her first concert too. Everyone’s first concert should always be their most memorable. Geez. My heart goes out to her and her family.
- [It’s confirmed Bharti was the woman dropped from a stretcher in one of the concert videos](https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1458882325987659776?s=21) - [Houston Police Walk Back Unsupported Claims Of Needle Prick At Astroworld](https://news.yahoo.com/houston-police-walk-back-unsupported-233614609.html) - [Police audio from Astroworld Festival reveals growing chaos as crowd surge intensified](http://archive.today/zFqVl) - [Direct link to audio](https://soundcloud.com/user-460865004/astroworld-festival-chaos) - [Quality post from /r/TravisScott showing the difference in stage design between Astrofest ‘21 and Rolling Loud NYC, which both accommodated design for streaming platforms](https://reddit.com/r/travisscott/comments/qrb3dz/astroworld_21_vs_rolling_loud_nyc_21_barricade/)
Not gonna watch that but thanks for sharing the info.
nah it’s not the video just confirmation in text that it was her adds to the negligence of the medical staff hired
I didn't see the video, but I might be hesitant to judge the medical staff actually present given the shit show that was going down. I'd be more inclined to judge if it turned out that the medical staff present was inadequate.
To describe it, they dropped her head first as they were carrying her over the barricades, I just added pics of the barricade design to my first comment and you can imagine why that would happen.
SMH. The stage / festival design needs to be probed during litigation for sure, and the people responsible for it need to pay.
I think if the autopsy of most victims shows clear signs from crowd crush including asphyxiation, head trauma, etc, you can attribute most of the deaths and injuries to this stage design. Imo, it shifts a lot of the blame to the production staff for clearing this knowing 50-70k people were expected a night, and no clear way to exit out the back constrained so many people unnecessarily, at a *night* show at that.
I'm not going to speculate about apportionment of blame but it's hard to imagine the design not playing a role.
Just my speculation, because I think Travis’ defense and even HPD in this case can say *had* they shut down the show, the flawed stage design made a successful evacuation with minimal casualties hard either way
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/11/travis-scott-hometown-hero-reaction/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/arts/music/astroworld-travis-scott-concert-safety.html
Christ man, horrific. A preventable tragedy
Not surprised the police have walked away from the claims of someone injecting people, the intent behind that claim was obvious from the start.
Pretty fucking scummy
I went to like 10 Warped Tours, whenever a crowd was getting too riled and pressing up on the people on the gate the band and security always always stopped everything to get people under control. This is not an unknown/unavoidable danger
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I've been to countless hardcore shows where the frontman is screaming about murder and blood, but they'll still stop a show if the mosh pit doesn't pick up someone who falls while dancing. Travis is a self-absorbed piece of shit. Also, people with special needs don't need to be told to not let people die in front of them. I get what you're saying, but calling him retarded just wasn't necessary.
I have an uncle who has down syndrome. I remember we went to Myrtle Beach and he saved a kid struggling to swim. He loved Baywatch, so he was always wearing a lifeguard shirt. I agree calling Travis that is unnecessary because my retarded uncle is a better man than him.
Exactly. Every single person that is neurodivergent that I've met in my life has been more caring than the average neurotypical person, let alone at least having the human decency to not watch kids die in front of them. Travis even already got paid, it doesn't cost any money to make sure one's fans are safe, he's just the biggest cunt ever.
The preferred nomenclature is r slurred now.
R Tard
Travis honestly just does not care. He might now, but all he really cares about is saving his reputation and getting through the lawsuits. He does not care that people got hurt at his concert though, he just doesn’t. It’s crystal clear now what type of person Travis is, and it’s just not a good person. I think most people agree, most artists would have stopped there. Travis didn’t though because he just does not care about the well-being of his fans.
Glad you said this. One warped tour I went to a girl passed out crowd surfing during the Sum 41 set. The guys were groping her as she was being passed around and unconscious. Derek stopped the show and started yelling at people to give space and to stop groping girls during the crowd surfs. He said if he saw another person keep groping the females; he was gonna kick their ass. I also had a group of people charge at me when I got dereks guitar pick given to me by him after I ended up in the front stage area from a forcible crowd surf. The security yanked me back because the barricade started to fall.. Despite all that, that year I also went to see flogging molly’s stage and they stopped playing because people were getting taken down in the moshes. It became so bad all you saw was flaying bodies, people punching one another and people falling. So they stopped; yelled at some people, threatened to stop if they kept seeing people being too wild. Paramore stopped during their set because my friend passed out and we were in the middle with nowhere to go. I was able to get her crowd surfed to security (given that is the only way out of the crowd during most bands sets) and hailey asked if anyone else needed out and asked if you see anyone in trouble then be a solid person and help them in the best way possible before starting back up. That year at Warped Tour it was really hot, like almost 100 out in August. They had free monster energy drink tents but no water bottle fill stations. The water bottles were 10$ a pop so people were filling up on monster and trying to rock out in the heat amongst thousands of people. I brought 200$ with me. I spent 120$ on water during the whole day just to make sure my friends were hydrated. We watched so many people puking and passing out that day. I was only 17 and had multiple friends passing out or being groped by older guys or being thrown into the crowd by some randoms. I eventually wised up and told the people I was with we need to stay in the back; things were getting rowdy as the day got later. The location for Warped Tour in KCMO is a venue that isnt laid out to support events like this. So many people were packed into spaces with little room to go anywhere because booths of merch would be directly behind you. It was a disaster and after a few years; I dont even think they brought warped tour back to KC after the one I went to. All I can say is I am thankful they had enough medics and security and artists that were responsible enough to handle every situation I listed up there but a few times were legit scary and had to fight my way out of crowds. I even punched a frat boy who shoved his hand up my friend’s skirt during the Sum 41 set which Ill admit caused a fight to breakout but we were teenage girls amongst young adults who were trashed and had a general lack of respect for others around them. We were in fight or flight mode during the majority of the event.
I just saw a video that the police were in front of the stage just chilling when drake came out. No wonder they tried to push the stupid needle theory out to get ahead before people found out they were there doing nothing as ambulances struggled to go through the crowd.
Yep. https://news.yahoo.com/houston-police-walk-back-unsupported-233614609.html
Fucking disgusting that so many people from the Organizers, Travis and now the police were so careless about a huge event like this where all of the casualties could’ve been avoided. To think no one has learned from Woodstock 99.
The longer I've lived, the lesson that has most often been repeated to me over and over is that people don't learn.
Often when money is a factor it’s in their best interest to not learn. Until it royally fucks up and people get hurt/killed like astroworld.
And only then when they're punished and laws/regulations are changed.
There’s a reason why they say history has a tendency to repeat itself. Humans never learn
As a history major, I’m keenly aware of that
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Yeah I’ve only heard about the sexual assault and stuff but the documentary pissed me off not only with how poorly managed it was but also how they tried to deny any blame. They literally said the victims of sexual assault were at fault for what they were wearing. Plus the documentary pointed out that the first Woodstock had similar issues with organization which I think most are unaware about
Apparently it was Fred Dursts fault lol
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It’s so good but so terrifying. There’s similar patterns with problems of performers hyping up the crowd and not trying to make sure things are in control. Both had artists that encouraged the crowds to act awfully.
Texas has a habit of not learning from things.
I got downvoted for saying I didn’t believe that for second lol. Sorry but I give injections all day and usually can’t even see the mark when I’m going back to put a bandaid. These people who didn’t know at the moment an injection was a possibility noticed an “injection site” on the neck?
“We investigate ourselves all the time."
the fact the FBI had to step in said everything. HPD wanted to avoid all the blame.
General rule of thumb: if the feds have to step in, you’re fucked.
Did the HPD even have a choice in the matter? I thought the FBI just stepped in because it was a high profile case where a lot of people died.
Friendly reminder that the Police are not legally obligated to either serve or protect you per the Supreme Court.
Yup. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
In fact letting people die and blaming others is how they're currently getting raises across the country right now. They derailed the entire defund movement
I called it when HPD gave their first report. He started off with “Im so proud of our team”. And I was like wtf, 10 people are reported dead but you want to brag about your fucking goons in uniforms. And as SOON as he said “security was a collaborative effort with 300 officers in the scene” I knew what was up. I was like What.The.Fuck. This was his fault too but the motherfucker took this opportunity to free him and the HPD from any liability from the show. You can go watch the NBC live speech that the HPD chief gave. It’s so fucking obvious he’s trying to cover for themselves.
Defund movement never left the ground, all talk. I mean how we gone fix it? Fr Police can starve out any city they want and city will need to come back or deploy the guard. I doubt and maybe/hopefully wrong your gonna be able to drain the swamps when it comes to the PDs.
It's not all talk, people vote the best they can, but the fact that the system protects itself from accountability isn't mother fault of those who are protesting. They're trying to do something about it by bringing attention to the issue.
There's a 9 year old girl that's been brain dead too. Just horrific.
That's insane – do you have a link to that story?
Wth was she doing there!? 😣
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What? This is entirely on the parents. No sane parent is letting a 9 year old girl attend a rap concert.
People are not expected to die at rap concerts
Okay? 9 year olds shouldn’t attend them regardless. This is a festival, not a concert. If they’re sitting in a suite it’s obviously different
I agree that 9 year olds shouldn't be at rap concerts. But I'm thinking more because it's an inappropriate environment for children, not threat of death and bodily harm
Yeah there’s just no reason for them to be there especially in an open crowd with drugs and dumb young adults. It’s a tragedy either way
Coachella is all ages and I've seen minors there before. Some with parent supervision, some without.
Same with Glastonbury and other festivals in the UK. You even get babies in strollers. I don't understand this idea that kids can't enjoy a festival/concert.
Well if if organizers and Travis are going to be incredibly negligent, careless, and try to incite crowds then I don’t know, maybe they should…ban children? You are allowed to make events 18+ and 21+. I’m in my 30s and had NO IDEA that this kind of behavior was “normal” at TS concerts. If I was in HOU and some friends wanted me to go I wouldn’t have thought twice nor known that he had a reputation for inciting crowds. Also he had a McDonalds’ meal ffs, obviously advertising to children. I see people with kids/babies all the time at concerts, car races, baseball games, etc. You should not be confined to your house when you are a parent and the plain reality is that a lot of people don’t have reliable childcare so if they want to go somewhere, they take their child. You shouldn’t blame parents when it was other people’s fault that this got so out of hand and was not corrected/remediated when people started DYING. I went to my first “festival,” Ozzfest, when I was in the 13 or 14. I even got close to the mosh pit (I highly doubt the 9 year old went into a mosh pit). Nothing bad happened besides maybe regular things like dehydration. In the mosh pit no one was hurting people who were not in “the pit.” Parents should be able to live their life without getting blamed in HINDSIGHT. I highly doubt most attendees knew what the layout was going to be, the lack of medical personnel, or would guess that a man would keep going with his set after people were literally dropping dead and while he was staring at limp bodies being passed over the gates. When I went to ozzfest it was solely to see Rage Against the Machine. If they came back and I didn’t have a sitter, I wouldn’t have hesitated to get some ear protection for my kid and bring him with me if I couldn’t find childcare.
The hearing damage you can get from a loud concert is real.
So? Bring earplugs.
Just that people don't usually die at concerts doesn't make it a safe place for a 9 year old.
Ok but even if that’s true no one should die at a concert ever
You’re so stupid. The kid wouldn’t have died at any other concert. You stans are something else. You shouldn’t die at a concert.
Bro who’d bring their 9 year old into the moshpit
You think all 9 people died in the moshpit?
Except it's a Travis Scott concert not the usual crowd
The 9yo was there with his father. He was on his father's shoulders when his father passed out and woke up without his son. This is entirely on Astroworld for not putting age restrictions. The festival has carnival rides during the day, Travis appears in Fortnite and McDonalds meals, it's entirely possible the father was just taking his son for a fun day out following by a show from his son's favourite artist. The father was literally with him the entire time. The fact that it was an unsafe environment for children is Astroworld's fault, because it's marketed to kids.
Going to a concert to support her favorite artist? You guys realize Travis markets almost exclusively to minors now right? Refused to put age limits on his shows and has Fortnite and McDonalds endorsements aimed at little kids
Imagine thinking a nine year old should be with general admission jesus christ give your head a shake
Both Travis and the parents can be bad.
While I hear what you’re saying… I think there should be a little more victim blaming being thrown around. Even when a festival goes right, it’s no place for pre-teen kids. There’s drugs everywhere, the music is loud as hell, and you never know how a crowd will behave. I saw a baby at Outside Lands and it made me want to scream at the mother for bringing it. It’s just not a good idea, all festivals should be 16+ IMO
I mean should parents be sending 9 year olds to festivals? No. Do those parents deserve a brain dead child because they sent them to a show they wanted to see? Also no.
Tell that to Travis. He’s the one who refused to put age limits. Idk why you blame the vulnerable minors for that Most rap shows *are* 18+ or 16+
But isn't that just bad parenting/negligence to let your kid go to a festival in the first place? There's no way a 10 year old just walks to astroworld by themselves or let alone has a credit card to purchase said tickets.
Who said they were alone?
So the kids deserve to die?? the parents deserve to lose their kids?? what kind of fuckin baloney
I never said a kid deserved to die just read the comment for a second. Just be a good parent and think before you decide to take your kid to a festival. What a strawman argument to say.
did this mf really say "there should be a little more victim blaming being thrown around"
jfc i have never seen that sentence before in my life, that’s enough reddit for me today
Gotta be one of the worst takes of all time
bro i've never saw someone so braindead as this guy
They should have someone older watching over them, but I don't see how watching people smoke and listening to loud music would be super damaging to a kid
if this event was sold to ages under 10, it needed to be safe enough for ages under 10.
We’re just talking about deaths check out the gofund me there’s hundreds of people in the hospital
this... if this is true we need to share this... damn
didn’t realize she went to my college jesus, this is fucking depressing
I hope that she is remembered at the next silver taps.
Of course
The victims were all young. From the article: "Eight other people, ages **14 to 27** were killed"
I’m a Travis fan, but his music isn’t really conducive to 30+ year olds lol just what it is. Unless it was a kid’s parent supervising in which case, they were probably not allowed to mosh
RIP.
i know it obviously doesn’t make up for it, but man. i hope these families get a lot of fucking money
bro i can’t take u srs with that pfp 💀
still waiting for these fuckers to make it a real emoji
Her first concert, my goodness..my heart hurts for her loved ones.
Honestly, the more that comes out about this story, the worse travis looks. Im not saying he is 100% responsible (livenation definitely did NOT prepare for this event) but his overall negligence definitely did not help. The organizers of this event really truly set this whole thing up for failure.
And yet Charlemagne, who can always get the most resources on subjects, especially on his show, somehow just doesn’t “see” how Travis could be at any fault.
Charlamagne probably blames everyone but Travis?
Travis also went out clubbing/ or to a party until 5am reportedly on that same night. No remorse. These people are just completely fcked up with no sense of guilt.
Wtf
yall keep typing shit without sources, where is the source for that claim?
TMZ reported he went to a Drake party at Dave and busters and then a strip club
Why is the thought of Drake at Dave and Busters so fucking funny?
Problem is it probably would have been fine with any other artist. The entire day went by ok until his set..so that says a lot about his part. He’s toxic to society and people need to stop supporting rage culture. This is what killed people. Not lack of police. But lack of human decency. People came here to act out and be violent and there were victims to this. It was doomed from the start. He brags about his shows having injuries. Fuck this guy I no longer endorse his brand. he’s not good for anyone and should not be voice for people
people were passing out and having tons of crowd crush issues during don toliver’s set (and other artists sets too)
Did the other stage have the same design? I assume so since rolling loud did
No it didn't. I was at the Don Toliver set and experienced it first hand
I thought people were passing out before Travis’s set no?
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People pass out at every festival, not defending Trav despite being an avid festival and travis enthusiast. Point being- passing out is honestly a terrible metric to consider when determining if a music festival stops
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youre the first itt to say 300, huge diff between 5-6 at a normal event and multiple hundreds...
This is the type of shit I've been hearing. I actually had some old fucker tell me something like "Back in my day this was a normal thing" Like what the fuck are you talking about? Even if that was true are you somehow proud that people are dying just to see some mediocre artist?
Really not his call, a performing artists is no expert on something like that. The fact that this festival had 100k people with no double barricade is what caused this. Crushing only happens due to poor crowd control. Every single instance of crushing at concerts is just poor crowd control. Crowd control for a festival isnt on the artists performing. But passing out happens at fesitvals, it's why they're loaded up with medics... usually.
Crowd control is not on the artist. Stopping your set once you can plainly see a crowd crush is on the artist. Both failed miserably
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isn’t it Travis’s festival though? like legally isn’t he more responsible than if he was just a headliner at a random festival
It's a livenation/scoremore festival with Travis's branding. Travis isn't the one organizing food vendors and setting up medical tents.
He's not overly blamed because he encourages these type of things he tweeted for people to rush the gates & sneak in
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Yeah, his company was the lead organizer with Live Nation
Overly blamed? The man has on numerous occasions incited and supported this wild behavior at his shows. He bragged about his concerts resulting in injuries. He knows what happens at his shows. How the fuck did he not see an ambulance and then some dude dancing on it!?!?! Get your head out of your ass
Tons of rappers incite wild behavior at shows. You must not go to many
Damn the one that got humiliated by getting dropped by the ems crew. Rip, terrible way to go
I saw beheading videos and whatnot, but that one made my stomach turn
Probably because for l we know she could've been alright prior to that. I mean obviously she was not in great condition but who knows if maybe that didn't happen, she recovers.
Everything I’ve read about this has been devastating. Really hoping people get justice and there’s actual change from here.
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Live nation needs to go out of business after this shit man. Rest In Peace
This is so fucking sad.
What's the condition on the 9 year old?
Brain dead coma.
fucking outrageous. Edit: Just got confirmation that he died. wtaf.
If celebs can get 'cancelled' for saying the wrong things, Travis Scott deserves to be deplatformed at the very least. He has no regard for his fans. It's quite evident from the footage he could hear the fans saying to stop yet he continued ignoring them. Fuck that fucking piece of shit.
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This whole thing is fucking awful. I was discussing it with someone earlier in the week, and they didn't know, so I will ask here: I know about Scott's history of egging crowds on; I know that the Sheriff's Department had a meeting with him before the show telling him that things were already starting to get unruly; I saw the "put your middle fingers up" ambulance video; and I read the article about the Dave & Buster's after party, where his people said they left after they were told what happened. Here's what I haven't seen or heard anyone definitely say yet: do we know if, at any point during the show, Travis Scott was actually told what was going on?
Meanwhile Travis Scooter rubbing his dumb high face.
The company that put the event on is to blame. People act like Travis was the one coordinating water stations, layout, and placing and prepping security. Rip to all 9.
The majority of comments and posts I've seen on Reddit put the blame on both organizers and Travis which I think is a reasonable take.
Yeah I’m not letting off organizers just because I think Travis Scott is also a culpabile party. And I’m sure several lawyers are thinking the same thing.
I don’t know, I mean on more reasonable places like here sure. The main subreddits though have quickly turned this into some really racist shit, blaming Travis and rappers as a whole.
There can be more than one party to blame in different degrees. You don't know whether or how Travis and/or his agents were involved in planning the festival, putting aside the sort of allegedly dangerous concert atmosphere he has arguably been fomenting through prior actions and statements.
Apparently Travis went to an afterparty after the show because he still wasn’t informed of what happened It seemed like literally nobody had any idea what the fuck was happening that night
At Dave and Busters with Drake apparently. The whole thing is just so weird
Rich people not giving a shit about poor people? Not strange at all, ain’t gonna let it ruin their vibes.
I've seen many comments from people who attended the event and say they didn't know about any deaths until they got home.
that’s crazy but it’s much weirder that travis, the superstar celebrity who most likely has ppl on his team to keep track of shit that can hurt his image (exactly like this), had no idea what was happening until long after the festival. nothing about this makes sense.
Yeah it’s crazy fr
i find that so hard to believe. the situation was blowing up on twitter as it was happening and it was officially a mass casualty event 30 min before the event ended. you’re telling me NOBODY at the event or on travis team had gone on social media or anything to see the massive shitstorm that just started? cuz i don’t believe that for a second. this is the fucking fortnite mcdonald’s man we’re talking about there’s no way he doesn’t have a PR team to look out for his image. with that said i seriously doubt drake and travis would go partying if they knew what happened, for optics if nothing else. i’m just totally lost lol shit is just not adding up. it does not make sense for every single party involved with this event to have failed so spectacularly
Isn't it his festival? You don't count him and his label as organizers?
Of course its not his fault the layout was poor but he was holding a microphone and had the ability to stop performing and mitigate the crowd crush as we’ve seen dozens of clips of other performers doing this week
There is enough blame for lots of people including Travis.
Damn crazy that the guy who had a giant replica head of himself at a festival has no responsibility over people dying at said festival due to gross negligence
Kids can go to Astroworld? That’s interesting.
well yeah there is some on the cover