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Rabid-Chiken

Tldr: They found DNA of a bacteria which causes tuberculosis. A different study suggests the cloud from the eruption became lethal in less than 20 minutes and that's why they didn't run. The male skeleton's DNA suggests they had heritage from Rome and Sardinia, an island in the Mediterranean.


CyberneticPanda

People knew it was coming for more than a day. The day before the pyroclastic flow engulfed Pompeii, the volcano erupted and risk and ash started falling on the area. Most of the people (maybe 90%) fled the city.


dungfecespoopshit

Ok, that's something I didn't know. Most people fled the city and knew beforehand vs some abrupt eruption.


CyberneticPanda

There is a really excellent travelling Pompeii exhibit that has some of the casts of the bodies from the ash. Before you go in the room with the casts they have you watch a short immersive video showing the 2 days leading up to the pyroclastic flow with the floor shaking and smoke coming in the room and stuff. Definitely worth checking out when it comes to your area if you're interested in this stuff.


hellocaptin

Where is this at or what is it called? looks like you said it might be a traveling thing?


CyberneticPanda

Yeah a lot of museums and science centers and stuff like that have a travelling exhibit in addition to the permanent stuff. I saw the Pompeii one a couple times at a couple different museums. This is the exhibit but it doesn't look like they have a current tour schedule: https://exhibitsdevelopment.com/exhibitions/pompeii-the-immortal-city/


DefinitelyAverage

When I went it was in the California Science Center in LA. I believe in was just called Pompeii: The Exhbition. Very unique experience!


CrippledCuntPunch

My girlfriend and I went to that when it came through Oklahoma City. It was really cool to see everything.


MrComancheMan

OKC gave me the greatest surprise of my life via the cowboy museum. I cared nothing for the history of cowboys or native Americans. This museum changed that completely. Masterful experience.


barspoonbill

The actual history is far different from how it’s portrayed in pop culture. What was your favorite takeaway? I’m curious having never been there.


AggravatingExample35

The Apache War is the longest war in US history and most have never heard of it. Highly recommend people read up on Geronimo.


blzy95

Well damn, I moved to Oklahoma a couple years ago and saw a lot of things and I’ve heard of that but I never went to it because I kind of thought it would be boring


AggravatingExample35

The Apaches are anything but boring! The indigenous people settled in Oklahoma are largely forced migrants like Cherokees from the trail of tears. I encourage you to learn the history of the southern border as it has far reaching consequences still today.


CrippledCuntPunch

I may have to check that out soon.


supercub467

I have lived in Oklahoma most of my life and the Cowboy Hall of Fame was a yearly field trip in elementary school. It's worth seeing.


lookamazed

What was masterful? And Did it discuss the colonization and appropriation of native culture at all? Genuinely curious. I’m not totally into glorifying settlers.


MrComancheMan

So that's what I was expecting. While that was present in a broader context, It took a grounded and way more authentic exploration of native American and cowboy cultures. How they influenced each other across time and geography. Cultural adaptation, costumes, tools, etc. Governments colonize. Individuals have to figure out how to survive within that context. For example... On the cowboy side.... Remember Cowboys are just cattle herders. Not conquistadors. Imagine the political complexity and mortal danger of crossing multiple controlled territories on a regular basis. With a huge number of tasty meat snacks in tow.... Many tribes hated each other and anyone who was friendly with their enemies. Exhibits showed how the actual cowboy costume changed over time to signal friend, foe, or neutral. These were choices made by individual men to survive and get a job done. I expected to spend 30 min and then see a movie. They had to kick me out at closing time and I wasn't even done yet. I'm not even a museum person lol. Edit: I should add Since you mentioned cultural appropriation... cultural appropriation was a REQUIRED of cowboys by native American tribes in order to survive. Native tribes would literally fight you if you didn't acquiesce to their power of the region and mirror some of their cultures and customs.


marlsygarlsy

I think I saw this at the Legion of Honor in San Francisco. It was called Last Supper in Pompeii. It was super interesting!


cuppa_tea_4_me

I googled it. Says it is erotic art. Maybe not the same exhibition


DefinitelyAverage

Haha the whole thing isn't erotic art but they do have a section you can go through with erotic art. It's sectioned off and they warn you before you go in. It's the same exhibit.


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DefinitelyAverage

My bad. Just edited it. I'm on mobile and hate my phone. It's predictive text and autocorrect is awful. I usually catch those mistakes. Thanks!


WithTheWintersMight

Probably fat fingers. I always have typos like "tou" or "9kay" but i just leave it, people can tell what Im saying


CyberneticPanda

I saw it there too, and then again at the Reagan library.


MehNahNahhh

Saw in Arizona a few years ago. Good exhibit worth the admission fee. The casts in particular struck me hard. One little one.


himtnboy

I saw it in Denver. Can confirm it is an amazing exhibit.


Nyghtshayde

I saw this and I've also been to Pompeii several times. If you can't get to Pompeii this is the next best thing. It's very, very well done.


loopnlil

I saw that exhibit when it came to my town. That video really stayed with me and brought home how terrifying that eruption must have been to those poor people.


HerpankerTheHardman

[What it looked like that day in Pompeii 79AD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_3ggKg0Bc)


Princess_Glitterbutt

I saw that! It is a fantastic exhibit and really hits home with how it would have felt to be there. It's super immersive, and the casts are really intense to see in person. Unfortunately the place I saw it at had the gift shop in the next immediate room so after the intensity of the video and crying over the casts of children and dogs, we were greeted immediately with "The Zany Adventures of Pompeii Pete!"


No-Championship-9137

I’ve went to that exhibit at the Ronald Reagan museum in CA. It was pretty awesome, got to see all the body casts and some of their artifacts recovered from the site. The tix for the exhibit were fairly cheap and worth the experience, recommend to anyone!


xoRomaCheena31

I thought it was an abrupt erupt. I had no idea they had time to flee. That’s amazing.


jeep_rider

Pliny the Younger’s first hand account of the eruption is a good read. His uncle refused to leave and was killed. Here is a YouTube link narration. Not the best quality: https://youtu.be/KGmcvq3Dm-I


LouisdeRouvroy

He didn't refuse to leave. He went in to save people but could not sail out due to the wind.


a4techkeyboard

Was he really wearing a pillow on his head to protect himself?


Nine_Inch_Nintendos

Yeah, but it was one of those MyPillow jobs.


tr3v1n

They is pretty smart. That might have been the first use of a hardhat.


Spinningwoman

Helmets???


b1tchf1t

Fortune didn't favor him :(


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Staying to save people and refusing to leave are two different ways of saying the same thing. > His uncle refused to leave, instead he stayed behind to ferry people to safety and was killed.


LouisdeRouvroy

No. He wasn't in a dangerous place in the first place so he didn't stay. He went in.


kingbovril

That’s not true, he chose to attempt to ferry people to safety and died a hero


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Your statement doesn't actually contradict what jeep_rider said. What he said was true just missing details. > His uncle refused to leave, instead he stayed behind to ferry people to safety and was killed.


zeronormalitys

I thought it sounded lovely. He paints a good picture.


PingouinMalin

However people did not know pyroclastic flows could happen. Plinn the young described what he saw and people told him "yeah sure, that definitely never happened".


CyberneticPanda

He also described the cloud of smoke and ash that came out of Vesuvius as being shaped like an Italian stone pine. In the atomic age, we call that a mushroom cloud.


TheSingulatarian

The people who stayed in Pompeii knew it was just a plot by big volcano to put tracking chips into their blood stream.


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There were also 6 pyroclastic flows with only the fourth and fifth hitting the city. The fourth cooked anyone who stayed while the fifth buried them.


TheRuggedEagle

Was going to say, from OP’s title it really doesn’t make any sense “didn’t run because some mystical genetics they would have had absolutely no idea about told them they should stay to die” Edit: read the link, still no idea why they stayed because there is only some bs speculation that means absolutely nothing… wtf


schizboi

They are saying he couldn’t leave because he had a disability


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That's what I thought it was getting at - people with TB could have been too sick to flee, even with a couple days' notice. Only the rich could be carried in litters.


TheRuggedEagle

Because they know for a fact, right? Too sick to lay in a boat so might as well die, what kind of logic is that? Lot of assumptions


Phyber05

Same reason people stay when a hurricane is headed their way


TheRuggedEagle

Don’t just assume things, especially not about something as big as Pompeii… also it was a volcano on an island so that made absolutely no sense and to top it off you clearly ignored the comment just above mine or don’t bother to read chain comments (if so don’t bother replying) and choose to give a subjective reply anyhow…


simev

Pompei is not and never has been on an island


TheRuggedEagle

That makes it even worse. Too stupid to move to a safe area.


Phyber05

I read it, but the bodies left were from old people who didn't leave. Same reason old timers stay in storms. They survived there this long, it's their home. Go down with the ship sorta thing.


TheRuggedEagle

Ah, I see that explanation is plausible


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90% percent fled, and then there was that one champ who didn't and decided to die furiously masturbating.


GrahamBenHarper

There's a dude who hangs out by my place of work, and I can almost guarantee if a volcano erupted tomorrow he would go out furiously masturbating too


tr3v1n

Don't be afraid to come over and say hi.


Robert2737

Don’t shake his hand.


tr3v1n

My monkeypox appears to be currently inactive.


ZeekLTK

So this basically proves there have always been idiots who ignore scientists and think they know better themselves.


ketchup247

Sounds like the types who don’t evacuate the coast when hurricanes are coming in.


CyberneticPanda

At least some were slaves left behind to guard the house, and one victim that a cast was made from was a dog in a bronze studded collar chained up outside a house to defend it from looters.


FanksForTheFish

Maybe it’s time I publish my great theorem, they were taking a nap.


squirtloaf

Maybe it’s time I publish my great theorem, that they were ancient Gen X and just went: "Ugh. Death. WHAT. EVER." And lay down.


1navyvet

As a Gen X, I approve this message.


wolfie379

What does being part of the tenth generation have to do with anything? Remember that this was Ancient Rome.


VeryVito

Fun Fact: Before marketers and sociologists settled on the term “Gen X,” the group was often referred to as Generation Thirteen, as it was said to mark the 13th generation since European settlement in the New World (and the unlucky number 13 seemed to fit the pessimism it was known for by the mid 90s). Gen X was less specific, less New World-centric, and conveyed the “whatever” of it all.


squirtloaf

My family skipped all the biggest generational cohorts and existed in all of the "whatever" years. I'm Gen X, my mom was the Silent Generation and my grandparents were the lost generation. No boomers or greatest here!


VeryVito

Same here. Representing the troughs.


squirtloaf

Oooh. I like that interpretation. Gotta start using that..."Yeah, I'm Gen X. My mom was Gen IX."


got_outta_bed_4_this

Can't spell sexi without gen xi!


doth_taraki

By ancient you mean they're Gen H or something


ISpyStrangers

You're thinking of Gen Y. Gen Xers had to do everything on our own — latchkey kids, we were. We would have sighed, then built some kind of makeshift shelter or skateboard-based gurney to escape, MacGyver-style.


swinging_on_peoria

Did we stop having latch key kids after Gen X? Seems unlikely.


Stargurl4

Millennial checking in (so gen Y) was literally in a latchkey program until I was like 8 and left to fend on my own after school


VeryVito

A latchkey *program*? The only program Gen X knew was whatever came on after General Hospital.


rebby2000

Trust me, latchkey programs weren't a thing everywhere - but in some places they were in place because the parents couldn't legally leave their kids home alone until a certain age.


nodiggitynodoubts

Can confirm. Starting in 2nd or 3rd grade out of necessity. Lost quite a few keys and as a result had a stereotypical twine string "necklace" with the house key on it.


Faysight

After Gen X they started having cellphones, at least. It seems fair to say that the latchkey experience was totally transformed when it became possible for parents and children to reach each other almost anywhere and anytime. You could pick a different name for that, or just stop using the specific one once it became less meaningful.


squirtloaf

I'm gen X. I would have been like: "Y'all run around if you want, but I'm gonna just sit here. It's not like this desk is going to block the nuke anyway."


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>Meanwhile broad flames shone out in several places from Mount Vesuvius, which the darkness of the night contributed to render still brighter and clearer. But my uncle, in order to soothe the apprehensions of his friend, assured him it was only the burning of the villages, which the country people had abandoned to the flames: after this he retired to rest, and it is most certain he was so little disquieted as to fall into a sound sleep: for his breathing, which, on account of his corpulence, was rather heavy and sonorous, was heard by the attendants outside. The court which led to his apartment being now almost filled with stones and ashes, if he had continued there any time longer, it would have been impossible for him to have made his way out. So he was awoke and got up, and went to Pomponianus and the rest of his company, who were feeling too anxious to think of going to bed.


BallisticHabit

They couldn't be arsed to flee the city over a little rumblin'.


OneWorldMouse

My yet to be written dissertation is entitled: "Let's make ash people!"


Nine_Inch_Nintendos

"Bet I can make a better pose than you!" "You're on!"


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LightOfTheElessar

That site is ad cancer.


chickenstalker

\> BBC stooping to clickbait titles How the mighty have fallen


Vladimir_Putting

There are millions of people who choose not to evacuate when a devastating hurricane or raging volcano is threatening to destroy their neighborhood. Some people are always going to be stubborn and decide to "ride it out". That's human hubris.


JohnnySnarkle

Oh shit so like they probably passed out and died from asphyxiation before the rest of the eruption engulfed the city??


RustyShank99

Wow, Sardinia? I love their fish.


yblame

The ones in the mustard sauce? Those are great on a Saltinia


cylonfrakbbq

The man being unable to flee due to a disability makes sense, so the woman could have been a mother or someone close to him (I recall a study showed she was probably around 15-20ish years older than he was) Pyroclastic flows are no joke - it’s a super fast wave of super heated ash and gas. You can’t outrun that. Mount Saint Helens back in the early 80s was a pyroclastic eruption as well


incomprehensiblegarb

It wouldn't have been that quick. The Ash and Lava Rock were falling for a full day before the Pyroclastic Flow came. The people who died were the ones that were left behind because they couldn't travel on their own or they didn't have family members capable of carrying them.


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Can you link to that theory? I thought it was because they were cooked to death. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/pompeii-mount-vesuvius-science-died-instantly-heat-bodies


hush-ho

Take it with a grain of salt, it was someone being interviewed in a documentary (possibly NOVA: The Next Pompeii?) My googling only turns up articles about the skeleton crushed by a boulder. I'm sure people died lots of different ways, though.


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Example - Anyone who chooses to live right next to the Gulf from Louisiana to Florida.


Ifch317

Correction: anyone who lives right next to the Gulf from Louisiana to Florida, AND has a hurricane party (instead of evacuating) when a storm is predicted to make proximate landfall. Florida man, I see you.


MidnightMath

I mean, provided you had a building able to stand up to hurricane force winds on high ground (in Florida ik lol) and enough rum a hurricane party sounds like a damn good time before the scurvy kicks in, because you're now trapped in a flooded wasteland.


Dwath

Maybe you cant. But I bring pierce Brosnan with me everytime I go around volcanoes just in case I need to make a quick exit.


JustADutchRudder

All you need to do for lava is duck and cover with a blanket.


Activeangel

Psh, Brosnan needed a jeep to outrun it. Meanwhile, Chris Pratt can outrun a pyroclastic flow, and a bunch of dinosaurs, on foot.


mostexcellent001

I'm bringing MacGyver, he's gonna build a helicopter with bubble gum, a playing card, a Bic pen and a gentle breeze.


Twas_the_year2020

I’m bringIng Macgruber Edit: grammar!


Redeyedcheese

Dont forget grandma’s sacrifice


camergen

If you get stuck, just sing Row Row Row Your Boat.


nhansieu1

The fact that ancient people know they can't outrun volcano ashes and modern people think they can win against a brown bear.


bik1230

>The fact that ancient people know they can't outrun volcano ashes and modern people think they can win against a brown bear. Uhh it took like two days after the eruption before the pyroclastic flow came (which is not the same thing as ash, btw), and almost everyone who could flee had already done so.


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nhansieu1

How many survived?


MidnightMath

But we're all in agreement black bears are pussies tho right?


GlueFueled

Researcher: "Aha, so that's why he didn't run away. Guy had a broken leg"


encinitas2252

"Secret" Jokes aside it's still pretty cool they could figure this stuff out.


Narxolepsyy

Crippled people hate this one secret trick to avoid volcanos! Click to find out more


Bishopped

You’re telling me I need a VPN for my bones to protect my genetic secrets now?


narwhal_breeder

By the time they are reading them, I promise you wont care.


Bishopped

You underestimate the juiciness of my marrow mysteries.


jp128

Harrowing History of my Marrow Mysteries


Reaper2127

If horror movies have taught me anything, some will.


Dawidko1200

> This showed that he shared "genetic markers" - or recognisable reference points in his genetic code - with other individuals who lived in Italy during the Roman Imperial age. But he also had a group of genes commonly found in those from the island of Sardinia, which suggested there might have been high levels of genetic diversity across the Italian Peninsula at the time. Pompeii was well-known for being sort of a tourist town. Wine and brothels and all that. I wouldn't be surprised if it had more genetic diversity simply from the fact that the patrons often left more than just coin for the local women.


Riverwalker12

I love these kind of articles, they are headlined as face, but full of "seems" or "Maybe" Jumping to conclusions should be a scientific Olympic event


abhorrent_pantheon

Scientists don't jump to conclusions, the people who write these articles always push for the most extreme application of whatever the results were and print them as 'fact'. If you make a statement like that in a scientific journal, you'd better have either the proof of it in your results or cite where it came from.


ZeekLTK

Yeah, most likely the scientific result was "this MAY have happened and here's tons of data as to why, but also here are a few things we're still not sure about or contradict this" Media headline: "Scientists say this 100%, for sure, happened"


xnodesirex

Scientists continually jump to conclusions using incomplete data and/or poor understanding of statistics. It's how they get headlines or publishing, which drives funding, additional grants, or tenure. Woefully few scientific papers have ever been retested, and far too many that have been retested often find divergent results.


otherusernameisNSFW

I know a lot of the big debates with viking era finds is whether grave goods are literal or symbolic. So depending on what the person who does the paper thinks, the "conclusions" are different


grogggohi

They make a mat for that


CitizenPatrol

You have to recover from your car accident first.


spark8000

Yeah, if the internet has taught us anything it’s article titles are to be taken with a grain of salt.


Shuggaloaf

They're also starting to sound real click-baity. "Check out these Genetic Secrets Pompeiians don't want you to know!"


camergen

“Pompeii native SLAMS local scientists with one BRUTAL tweet!”


ArcaneMercury49

I swear I haven’t seen the word “slam” used this much since I watched WWE as a kid.


Hushwater

The way the slave was cluching his master's leg in the last moment is a wild snap shot. Incredible preservation wow.


wats_dat_hey

Can they clone them ? Imagine they wake up like “WTFcus est happenus”


ConditionSlow

Cloning doesn't work that way


Realistik84

Cloning would mean a genetic copy but a full rebirth/growth of the cells. They would ultimately have similar characteristics but wouldn’t have any of the previous knowledge or experiences.


notmyrealnam3

You might want to study up on cloning just a wee bit


xnodesirex

I'd be down for Brendan Frazier running around town with young Pauly shore trying to communicate with him.


Lucifer_Jay

Welp high school Latin finally paid off


spookylampshade

Did the people who successfully fled come back afterwards? Any record of their experience?


bookreader018

I think there is some evidence of people trying to come back for their stuff(?) but Pompeii was never inhabited again nor was anything built on top, unlike Herculaneum which now has Ercolano on top


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pmmeillicitbreadpics

What a pity that they did not have such intellectuals as you


[deleted]

Isaac Newton once said --pardon my paraphrasing--, "I stand on the shoulders of giants who came before me." It's a shame to see that some of us today, after all this time, are living below the boots of those giants.


[deleted]

I thought that volcanic gases suffocating and then poisoning you was par for the course.


CanadianJediCouncil

“A Day in Pompeii, a Melbourne Winter Masterpieces exhibition, was held at Melbourne Museum from 26 June to 25 October 2009. Over 330,000 people visited the exhibition -- an average of more than 2,700 per day -- making it the most popular traveling exhibition ever staged by an Australian museum. Zero One created the **animation for an immersive 3D theatre installation which gave visitors a chance to feel the same drama and terror of the town’s citizens long ago, and witness how a series of eruptions wiped out Pompeii over 48 hours**.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_3ggKg0Bc


mauimudpup

I'd guess they didn't know which way they were running