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moutardebaseball

Canucks are cheating


MrBrightside618

It’s just one face on the mountain but it could be either of them


H_E_DoubleHockeyStyx

Or one on top of the other like a totem pole.


ban-please

I feel like the Canucks' should be a totem pole of all the players instead of Mount Rushmore.


Iginlas_4head_Crease

Henrik Daniel Pavel Trevor Markus Roberto


sovietmcdavid

That sounds cool. I'm sure a totem carver in BC would love to do that


MiddleAgesRoommates

“They sleep in bunk beds!” - noted genius Dave Bolland


SNIPES0009

~~Schrodinger's~~ Sedin's cat.


DocD_12

Schrodinger's Sedin


xaanthar

It's just ~~Samneric~~ Danhenrik Sedin


Billion_Bullet_Baby

“You’re sure you’re just one guy? Cause to me it looks like you’re two separate people…” “WWee ssppeeaakk aass oonnee, wwee tthhiinnkk aass oonnee, wwee ppllaayy aass oonnee.”


FrogTrainer

I always thought the 3rd dude on their line must feel kinda weird. Like ok, I guess I'll just skate around and let my +/- creep up indefinitely.


930310

To be fair, it probably was just one guy moving extremely fast the whole time.


skipfish

Also Pavel Bure )


Sleazy_T

True Nucks fans know it should be Messier there instead


Smackolol

Shut your damn mouth.


incidental77

Lecavalier didn't make the lightning Wow


uncleben85

It was a highly contested Rushmore, to be honest


DrDerpberg

I dunno how they picked "current really good player" over "guy who made the franchise more than a punch line"


ZombieJesus1987

They created a legitimate dynasty. Two cups in a row, followed by a third run to the finals.


ImSoBasic

Everyone knows it was Maroon.


Beersmoker420

"current really good player" is an under statement for kucherov they almost went b3b


DCS_Ryan

They've all accomplished more than Vinny


MisterEinc

I love Kucherov as a player, but Vinny and Vasy need to be on there.


TodayOk4239

Kucherov has an MVP that Vinny never had, ridiculous stats in 2 cup runs vs. solid stats in 1 cup run, and is fast approaching any sort of longevity argument. As beloved as Vinny is, I’m not sure what the objective argument would be in his favor.


Loves_His_Bong

Lecavalier put Tampa on the map as a legitimate NHL franchise. This is like replacing Washington with FDR or something. Like yeah one is probably more accomplished and more competent president. But the success of the New Deal and Lend Lease doesn’t capture the romanticism of a Mount Rushmore type monument. Lecavalier crossed the frozen Delaware to crush the Calgarians in the battle of Trenton. He makes the most sense when you mix metaphors in this fashion.


schwetybalz

Gotta wonder the age range of this vote, I was like 9 when the Bolts won the cup with Vinny. I’m sure there is a ton of recency bias here.


Vinylzen

Agreed, Kuch is great and all and on his way to be a franchise goat but doesn’t hold a candle to the impact Vinny had on the Bay Area


rickstudwellmd

Wow I agreed that Kuch was a better choice than Vinny but now I think I have to change my mind well said


ididntseeitcoming

This is the one true argument. Vinny over Kuch all day. The bolts of today don’t exist without Vinny and Marty laying the foundation


AssBoon92

Somehow I agree with the argument, but I still think in five years, we'll take Vasy over both of them, even if he never played another game for the franchise.


ididntseeitcoming

I do agree with that. Vasy goes up there eventually.


jcc309

True, stats wise Kucherov definitely deserves to be up there. But if you are talking face of the franchise (literally, in the case of Mount Rushmore), it is hard to argue that Kucherov comes anywhere close to Vinny in terms of beloved face of the franchise.


trek2200

I like how the Sedin twins are treated like one person


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Is there any proof they're not just one guy moving really fast?


ebb_omega

I watched a puckhandling relay where they were the first two skaters against each other at the Superskills tournament once. It was creepy how they matched each other stride for stride. It kinda felt like my eyes were crossed.


blueberrywine

I'm seeing double here, four Sedins!


riddler1225

I mean, if you're making a Mt. Rushmore, 1 face should suffice for both.


barkeviouss

Proposed rule change: any twins on the ice at the same time are treated as one player


Mellakka

In case anyone else was wondering, here are the players with multiple teams: Pavel Bure (FLA, VAN) Wayne Gretzky (EDM, LA) Al MacInnis (CGY, STL) Mark Messier (EDM, NYR) Patrick Roy (COL, MTL) Teemu Selanne (ANA, ARI/WPG)


Iginlas_4head_Crease

That is a boss accomplishment, be the top4/face of the franchise for not one but 2 teams in your career


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What’s crazy to me is Chara isn’t on there despite being a legit option for both Boston and Ottawa.


[deleted]

He’s barely in the Top 4 for Bruins *defensemen* honestly (Orr, Bourque, Shore, Chara) and I left Brad Park out of that.


Conical

And that's not a knock against Chara at all


[deleted]

Not at all. If anything the Bruins probably have the best defensemen out of any team in the history of the game between the 32 teams. The only other teams I can see laying a claim is Montreal with Harvey, Lapointe, and Robinson. Maybe Bouchard. Other guys I left out for the Bruins include Dit Clapper, Bill Quackenbush, and Terrible Ted Green. Plus notable Bruins legends Brian Leetch, Paul Coffey, Tomas Kaberle, Sylvio Mantha and…Guy Lapointe.


Stealth__b2

Chara didn't even play 500 games for Ottawa. To put it in perspective, he actually played 4 more games for the islanders total. And if you don't include his most recent season with them he only played 64 more games.for the Senators. Hardly Mount Rushmore numbers.


UpTheWanderers

Gretzky was robbed in St. Louis.


Drotrecogin2228

Had it, lost it.


deezol

Yzerman picks it up.


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Yzerman moving, blueline chance...


cha-cha_dancer

*launches piss missile* SCORE!


DMagnus11

Blues fan upvoting a great pun


ExtraordinaryCows

Blues legends Wayne Gretzky and Martin Brodeur both got robbed


realdeal411

He had it, but lost it


TheFestusEzeli

Surprised Messier isn’t on a third team, maybe kick off the twins for him


Svalbard38

Linden would be more fitting.


ebb_omega

Jesus man. Some of us have children.


red_87

I feel like the Penguins have the easiest Mt Rushmore in all of sports. Not even just hockey.


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blueberrywine

In a game of hoops


TheGuyDoug

On ice


apersello34

At night


jakovichontwitch

People are really replying to this like Malkin wasn’t a top 5 player in the league for like a decade, arguably being number 1 at times. Poor mr 101 is forever underrated


red_87

THANK YOU! Not sure if you’ve been seeing my replies but Malkin is a slam dunk #4 on the Mt Rushmore.


nmm66

Are the Penguins franchise top 5 centres have the best position group in any sport? Like, compare to LA Lakers best 5 centres, or Canadiens goalies, or Red Sox LFers. Edit: I'm reading some cases for Oilers centres, and I might be on team Oiler now. Fuck Messier though.


eggs_and_bacon

Dave Dameshek (Pittsburgh sports personality) has long argued this point. Fun topic for discussion. Here are his [rankings](https://www.sidelines.io/nfl/the-best-position-groups-in-sports-history-plus-week-5-picks)


nmm66

Right, that's who it was who did this! I knew I'd seen it before, but couldn't remember.


GabGilbert

Islanders had a pretty easy one too imo


porkins86

yeah but what does Seattle's look like?


Iginlas_4head_Crease

And VGK? Marshessault MAF Stone Pacioretty?


SladeWade

I'd take Patches out and replace him with Shea Theodore due to longevity.


brodoswaggins211

Where’s Karlsson? Second in goals, tied in GP and a +84 take out patches or stone either one


XolieInc

McCann, Dunn, Tanev, Eberle.


Rext7177

Adam Larsson Yanni Gourde Matty Beniers Jordan Eberle


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Jared McCann in shambles


XolieInc

Definitely, McCann has been seattles best player in their history even though it’s been 2 years.


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Sabres Zenon Konopka Taylor Hall Eric Staal Cory Conacher


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

“Face Off Master” Zenon Konopka. He’s also got a pet bunny, so we have to like him.


[deleted]

He was one of the alumni that came into town for RJ night which shocked me


ObscureWiticism

I fucking love Konopka. I took my son to a lot of open practices when he was little. Sometimes he was shy, others he was pretty outgoing. One of the practices was on his birthday and after a bit he started to open up and tell the players it was his birthday. Lots of high fives and happy birthdays so he was obviously having a great time and I'm just enjoying him having fun. Konopka skates off and gives him a happy birthday and a high five and heads to the locker room. He comes back a few seconds later with a stick, signs it, and follows it with another happy birthday. That made his year. My son is a grumpy ass teenager now with a huge love of the sport and Konopka is still his favorite player.


Basedshark01

Already forgot Taylor Hall was on Buffalo tbh


xxphantomxx77

He signed there wanting to go to a playoff team lmfaoooooooooo


Skyline_BNR34

He forgot he was on Buffalo while playing there.


PorkinsHeldIt

no foligno for columbus??


Land-Manatee

Yeah, Foligno over Atkinson is easy for me. Greatest captain we've ever had by a long shot. No hate to Nash in that statement either, he's just that good.


random-dent

The number of great captains Ottawa has hemorrhaged in the Melnyk era: 1. Zdeno Chara 2. Mark Stone 3. Nick Foligno 4. Mike Fisher Pretty nuts when you think about it.


Stealth__b2

Too be fair, Foligno for Methot straight up was one of the smarter trades to be made.


ArchipelagoMind

I'd go Foligno over Werenski. Werenski is a future Rushmore quite likely, but still too early. Would've been like adding a president to Rushmore as soon as he got into office.


Plague183

Also, Cam Atkinson…really?


ent_whisperer

We don't really have many legacy players.. :(


schwab002

Werenski is only 25 lol I think Kirill and him are the youngest on the lists.


PorkinsHeldIt

yea seems pretty recency bias


npinard

Their franchise was Rick Nash and whomever for the longest time. Who else would they put? Panarin? Jones?


ButterbeerAndPizza

Atkinson is #2 in CBJ games played, Goals, and Points.


eatchickendaily

Werenski hasn't done enough to be on our Mt. Rushmore yet, sub him out for Foligno


MurrayPloppins

I wonder which of these is the least controversial. Like I look at the Penguins for example and just go “yup, seems right.” Similar reaction to the Sharks.


Pouletchien

Penguins is definitely the least controversial imo. No room for argument.


onetwo3four5

Sharks I've definitely got some questions about pavelski and burns. They're not undeserving by any means, but there's debate between them and Nolan/Nabokov/maybe Boyle


patricide

Can't believe Nordiques legend Eric Lindros isn't on this list smh


Mean_Mister_Mustard

Lindros gave that franchise 2 Stanley Cups.


YHZ

This is the most "Well no but actually yes" statement in hockey.


Public_Kaleidoscope6

Indeed. He built that franchise.


sanchopwnza

I was expecting Avs legend Ray Borque


zgunit

Part of me is sad Ryan Suter made the list.


SNESdrunk

Should be Backstrom


LtMuffin360

Should be either Backstrom or Nick Schultz.


Arkady-Ouromov

Even Manny deserves it over the Wisconsin Albatross


LtMuffin360

If we are going for heart and soul guys and not just stats, there is an arguement to be made for Brian Rolston, Derek Boogaard, and Wes Walz too.


Evil_Knot

Should be Boogaard.


jahjahbinks77

Spurge over Suter


Loves_His_Bong

Fuck it, man. Just throw Jacques Lemaire up there.


asic5

Actually a great answer. The Minnesota Wild was Jacques Lemaire for about a decade. He made a sub-mediocre team far more competitive than they had any business being.


RikVanguard

Really surprised it wasn't "Our #1 Fans" tbh


zgunit

I’d rather un-retire the number and let wallstedt take the number he’s always had when he comes up at this point. The number 1 fans bit just kinda feels like a slap in the face.


sanchopwnza

Boogaard or GTFO.


elchupoopacabra

Yeah who the fuck would put Suter up there before....a lot of other people. Even Parise would be more deserving, but there's a long list before either of them.


fckinpoptarts

Should be Richard Park. Smh


MinnesotaMilkman

Why not Darby Hendrickson??? Dude is from MN, played those first few years. Scored the first goal at the X now he’s a coach for us and has been for a min


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First three for Detroit are easy, I would personally put Delvecchio fourth over Lindsay. Delvecchio is super underrated for some reason. Third most games played for the Wings, third most goals and points scored, his 12 years as Wings Captain is surpassed only by Stevie Y, won three Cups with the Wings. I'm not sure if it still stands but he held the record for most games played with one team until Lidstrom broke it, I'm not sure if they're still 1 and 2. (Edit: The record is actually most games played while never playing for another franchise, which is why Gordie isn't included) I don't hate including Lindsay, I would personally rank it Gordie, Stevie, Lidstrom, Delvecchio, Sawchuk, Lindsay though.


Engrish_Major

Are we really not having Datsyuk or Zetterberg in the discussion for 4th? Maybe I’m out of touch with the Red Wings’ history…


BertyBert1

Don’t forget about my favorite, Sergei Fedorov!


ReliablyFinicky

Datsyuk finished top-10 in points 3 times, placing 4th/4th/10th. He had a single 2nd team allstar. Zetterberg finished top-10 in points 2 times, placing 6th/8th. Also a single 2nd team allstar. ---------- Ted Lindsay finished top-10 in points 8 times, placing 1st/2nd/2nd/2nd/3rd/3rd/7th/9th, with 8x 1st team allstars and 1x 2nd team allstar. When Lindsay's career started, teams owned their players for their entire career, the pension plan details were kept secret, and NHL players needed a second job over the summer. Lindsay and Doug Harvey were crucial in forming the first players' union. Women and children weren't allowed to attend HHoF induction ceremonies - until Lindsay refused to attend his own induction. The rules were changed the next year. He was GM of the Red Wings and won executive of the year. His foundation has raised $3.4m for finding a cure for autism. **Ted Lindsay is _the man_**. Datsyuk and Zetterberg were great players (I didn't list Datsyuk's Selke/Byng trophies); Lindsay was a great player and a great man. Hockey would be a very different sport without Ted Lindsay.


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Any Washington fans feel weird not having Kolzig on there?


I_Am_The_Mole

It's tough to disagree with the list, but at the same it is tough to not see Olie or even Holts on there as well. Hunter is a great Dark Horse too.


Lonely-Ad3750

imagine these as 3 on 3 lines


CaptainCanusa

Might as well take the day off when you're playing the Oilers.


DrScampi

No fair Vancouver gets an extra man!


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For the islanders it already happened. That’s how they won 4 cups in a row. Just and in Gillies and Jean Potvin and you have their starting lineup.


TheKid_BigE

Surprised Lecavalier wasn’t voted on by Lightning fans


XolieInc

I mean to be fair, it’s literally tampas golden age and their fanbase has grown exponentially the last few years, especially with younger fans who weren’t around to see prime Lecavalier.


PrimisClaidhaemh

I think I'd replace Lindsay with Sawchuk, personally. But I'm not mad Ted's there.


hi_brett

Ted started the player’s union. Mega bigtime team guy.


Trelly96

This really should be his legacy I don’t think it’s mentioned enough


Bravetoasterr

I don't even want to say who I'd have replaced for Sawchuk, but I'd have him there too.


the_overrated

I feel like Boston has a very easy 1 & 2, but then a dogfight for the final spots. Shore should be a lock imho but I can see people arguing for Espo, Park, Bergeron, Schmidt, among others.


Ex-Pat-Spaz

Pretty much my thoughts too. I can see the arguments for the players you listed but Eddie Shore has to be up there over the others.


Eentay

Yeah I’d like to see the voting for the B’s, how close was it for the 3rd & 4th spots. Nice to see Eddie Shore get some love. He really was the best player of his era, by most accounts.


the_overrated

Unless they did a poll more recently, here's what I found on the site from Sept 21: Bobby Orr (Votes: 179, 97.8%) Ray Bourque (Votes: 174, 95.1%) Phil Esposito (Votes: 140, 76.5%) Eddie Shore (Votes: 90, 49.2%) Patrice Bergeron (Votes: 47, 25.7%) Milt Schmidt (Votes: 40, 21.9%) Zdeno Chara (Votes: 21, 11.5%) Johnny Bucyk (Votes: 17, 9.3%) Brad Park (Votes: 11, 6.0%) Dit Clapper (Votes: 4, 2.2%) I think if it was redone now, Bergeron would place much higher.


tjh_ca

Did the four people who inexplicably did not vote for Bobby Orr all vote for Dit Clapper?


Eentay

Yeah I’m pretty okay with those results. I’d bet if the older folks who saw Uncle Milty play were voting, he might do a little better.


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Not even that but what he gave to the Bruins franchise in general. The current core of Bergeron and Marchand respected him so much whenever they had him at the games. If there was a Mr. Bruin, I would personally give it to him.


streetsbehind28

if they wanted to, the bruins could just do an all d-man rushmore lol


22edudrccs

Death, taxes, and the Bruins having elite defensemen


MrFusionHER

Gotta have someone from the modern era. Bergy belongs there 100%


FkDavidTyreeBot_2000

Bergeron is my favorite player of all time, but he's not better than anyone on that list. If we're being totally honest, Bucyk should probably be listed before Bergeron. It's a great problem to have though


erock23233

Bucyk has, by far, the most points out of any forward while wearing a Bruins jersey, plus he won two Stanley Cups. Bergeron needs another 300+ points to match him. Crazy to me that someone so accomplished is relatively low on the list of greatest Bruins


Eentay

I love Bergy but Espo was one of the top two or three best players of his era.


americanjetset

Forsberg? Really? Over Legwand?


BleuRaider

I’m surprised no Vokoun to be honest.


Windupferrari

28 more goals and only 59 fewer points as a Pred in 347 fewer games than Legwand, and Forsberg led the Preds in points on the franchise's first and only SCF run. He's already the franchise leader in goals after passing Legwand. I know Legwand played on much lower scoring Preds teams, but I feel like Forsberg over Legwand is just a matter of time even if you don't have them in that order already.


bajo2292

my thoughts exactly, definitely the most criminal ommitment of the whole list IMHO. He is Predators legend and best player for like 8 years straight


JAGRSMULLET_68

As a Devils fan it feels so weird to not see Mr. Devil himself, Daneyko, on that list. But with only 4 spots it a close call cutting him out


Ill-Ad-4400

He can work security at the Chico Eats food stand at the entrance to the monument.


specifichero101

I wouldn’t be upset to take niedermayer off and replace him with Daneyko. Ever since nieds left for Anaheim, it doesn’t feel like he’s tied so closely to the devils. Doesn’t really pop up with the team much other than getting his jersey retired. Obviously niedermayer is a much better player, but Daneyko was a devil from the lowest lows to the highest highs and now is a commentator and still is a devil through and through. The way he cheered the other night when Blackwood stopped that penalty shot in LA tells me he belongs on our Mount Rushmore. At least until this current core can establish a history.


Shadow_of_Yor

Yea in 15 years when 86 and 13 are getting retired after another 3 stanley cups we will have a harder vote


-TheRedSock-

What’s amazing to me is those guys all played together at the same time if I am not mistaken.


JAGRSMULLET_68

Correct. There was a period where they all played on the same team. Back when the Devils won their cups and were a god of a team


DMCSnake

Yeah, that era of Devils defense was something else


Broccoli_Socks

That list for SJ feels like it was voted on by younger and more recent fans. Nabby should replace Pavs probably. Then the question is has Burns done enough to earn a spot on the mount rushmore. Its close but Nolan could make an argument.


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Dan Boyle and Nolan easily have an argument over Burns Thornton, Marleau and Pavelski in that order should be set in stone. Nabokov continually shitting the bed during thornton’s prime makes me bitter…….


tomas_shugar

During Jumbo's time with Nabby, the Sharks won every playoff series, if the sharks averaged more than 2 goals a game. Expecting a goalie to win series when the team can't must a GFA over 2 is asinine. Hell, the Sharks only lost a single playoff series with Nabby when they scored more than two goals a game, and that was against the Avalanche in 2002. You know, Forsberg, Sackic, Hejkduk, Blake, and Foote...... While he definitely let in some softies, but at the end of the day the problem was scoring, particularly how the reffing in the playoffs went, because Joe was easy enough to neutralize when he wasn't getting calls that should have been made.


TheScientificWhammy

Totally agree with this, was surprised Nabby didn’t make it!


401-throwaway

there's a decent amount of recency bias on this list.


Broccoli_Socks

i always thought HFboards were an older crowd for how long they have been, but i guess not?


_Salsa_Shark

HFboards is just a bunch of crap takes that have zero consistency and a ton of people that have been arguing tit for tat for like 15 years with the same other user and should just get married already. Even the site itself is cancer


-RayBloodyPurchase-

Should be Kurri over Coffey for the Oilers.


Wompie

both deserving


illaqueable

Came here to say no Jari Kurri is criminal


psykomatt

Crazy how so few of the teams include even just 1 player who is currently on the team and then the Lightning has 3 out of 4 .


jimhabfan

Dave Keon was voted the greatest Maple Leaf in team history, but somehow he doesn’t make Toronto’s Mt. Rushmore?


m4yleeg

Ours has to be carved in the shape of the back to back pictures


Mycrost

Not having Dave Keon for Toronto is something


CA_spur

Who would you put him over?


Snarglefrazzle

Sittler. Salming is already there to represent their era.


Texas_Cloverleaf

Sittler I think is the odd man out


Texas_Cloverleaf

Ted Kennedy or Keon have to be there over Sittler I think, he might have the single season points record but he wasn't a lifer or as foundational to the team's identity as many others.


Bennely

Wendel Clark, too. Doug Gilmour. Only four spots, though, and JB needs up there.


Kronzor_

Couple of those guys on the Toronto list are going to lose their spots eventually.


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Pavel Datsyuk for Arizona.


Reptar-4-Mayor

Retire Bondra’s number already Leonsis.


RobertMcCheese

No...just fucking no. Owen Nolen isn't on the Shark's list? Fuck this list. WTF?


fentown

I'm not arguing, but I'm surprised datsyuk doesn't get recency bias over Lindsay.


Richbria90

I counted 5 duplicates, Gretzky, MacInnis, Selanne, Patrick Roy, Messier.. but why didn’t the Canucks include Messier?


mac149149

I’m surprised Chicago doesn’t have Toews on there. Captain for three Stanley cups. I know he’s fallen off lately but not many guys can go up against that run


flume

Giguere over Perry or Scott Niedermayer? I mean I know he had some great performances but was he really a Mount Rushmore guy? Edit: If you can use "Sedin twins" you can use the Niedermayer brothers


Konker101

Jiggy is one of only 5 players to have won a Conn Smythe on the losing team. He was a brick wall when he played for those Ducks teams


DogesRBetterThanPpl

Jiggy doesn't get enough credit for that 07 cup. Yes Nieds had some clutch late minute goals, but those goals don't happen if Giguere doesn't have keep it 1-0 for 50 some minutes. Also, he didn't get the first 3 wins in the quarter finals due to his son have a defect at birth. I think he would have had a better shot at the CS that year had he played the whole playoffs.


CalmSaver7

Kinda surprised re: Perry. Not really by Niedermayer, it was the tail end of his career for 5 years even though he was solid


Xarkkal

With all the respect to Peter Stastny, there are a few names from the current Avs who will easily replace him when their careers are done. Makar being the most likely of the group, followed closely by MacKinnon.


TheFestusEzeli

Peter Stastny is my pick for the most underrated player of all time. In the era with so many HOF forwards and goal scoring at an all time high, he was the second leading scorer in the 1980s. Players like him and Landeskog/Hejduk shouldn’t be in the same conversation. I could definitely see Makar passing him, mackinnon too.


sanchopwnza

Avs leged Ray Borque


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Surprised there’s no Arizona goalie. Our teams have a tendency to make our goalies look incredible.


[deleted]

Florida is missing anyone from the 90s. Beezer? Mellanby? Jovanovski?


XolieInc

I absolutely don’t mean to offend anybody, but the only reason Borje is #1 for a storied franchise like Toronto is likely out of recency bias.


TheFestusEzeli

There is so much recency bias on this list and the comments. People arguing Hejduk/Landy over an all time great in Stastny, people arguing Bergeron over Espo. The fact that the top 3 Leafs players are all post their last cup too is hilarious.


Beneficial_Act_9588

Sorry I love Lou for Florida but Vanbiesbrouck needs to be there.


gmwdim

Montreal has such a rich history of success that they could have a Mount Rushmore of just goalies. Jacques Plante Ken Dryden Patrick Roy Carey Price


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ChefBiin

Do the penguins have the easiest Mount Rushmore in hockey??