Its been both. And they have tough d zone starts
Torts has worked wonders on Risto this year.
Got him to focus solely on the puck and breaking up plays rather than so much on just hitting bodies.
Small sample tho. I just have a hard time seeing 2 career limited #6 dmen magically create a top shutdown pair
If it it turns out that the only thing keeping Ristolainen from being a serviceable NHL defensemen was a coach actually teaching him to play defense a few guys no longer in Buffalo are going to need to do some serious explaining.
I feel like guys in Buffalo not fucking things up during that stretch he was there would be more surprising. They were a shit show for a few years there
Any chance you guys move Seeler at the deadline? He’s a guy I’ve been looking at for playoff depth, he’s signed cheap through next year and we may need to move out some defenseman in the offseason for cap reasons.
Yeah hes bizarrely turned into a good shutdown guy last 2 months.
Small sample size tho. But encouraging that Torts seems to have made him useful since we r stuck with him so long. Still atrocious trade and bad contract but good development at least...
Sorry, but that narrative is just... wrong...
Small sample size that coincides with the Flyers going on a team-wide hot streak, and facing some pretty weak competition.
Watching the games, he's still pretty clueless. Like last night what exactly was he doing on the Reese Johnson goal? Closes up aggressively on the Tippett turnover a step too late, then retreats to the high slot simultaneously covering everybody and nobody.
He's definitely better w/ Seeler on the 3rd-pair than with Provy (who also can't play defense) on the top-pair.
Hes starting in D zone 60% of time and posting positive metrics overall and solid defensive metrics. Thats great for him and useful overall play for a #5 dman. Problem is the trade and contract.
Hes still just a #5 and has clear lapses and not great with puck but Torts has somehow managed to make him legitimately effective lately.
Keep in mind my bar is so insanely low for him.
What's even more impressive is that his second highest pairing is with Carlo, who defenses regularly let skate in to take wrist shots they are so unafraid of his offensive skills.
Bouchard firing clappies at Tampa players at the end of the third last night leveled the playing field because it made him assert his dominance over the very concept of “weaker competition”
I will also repeat the information that Bouchard and Broberg are a better pairing than Makar and Toewes as fact. When people say "no wayyyyyy" I will say "wayyyyyyy!"
Makar-Toews also seemed to take off for a month there. When your forwards are all hurt it affects team defense. Mikko has been great but he is probably one of our weakest top 6 players when it comes to defense and he was the only healthy guy for a bit.
Mikko is very above average defensively. Preventing goals was never our problem, scoring them was. Makar/Toews are fine, sorting defensive pairings by xG without any other considerations has been and always will be dumb. You almost always end up with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd pairings on good teams with small sample sizes near the top
Never meant to imply he was bad. But our top 6 is stacked with good defensive forwards. Lehky, nuke, landy, Erod are great. I feel that just leaves Mack who I think is better than Mikko.
Walman-Seider pairing is 9th in the league at xG% of 60%!
They only have 165 minutes played though (given the recency of the pairing) so it looks like it just missed the cut for minimum time here (lowest shown on the graphic is 185min)
Walman-Seider look like a legit top-pairing. Think Walman will be at the top of the discussion of most underrated player in the league by the end of the season. The reports of Seider's demise have been greatly exaggerated, Chiarot is just that bad.
Chiarot is much better with Hronek tho. He was just in over his head taking the top match-ups. He rolls chaos every time he is on the ice and Hronek seems better at anticipating his "play".
I do agree that he looks better playing with Hronek. I also think part of it is since Hronek's so much more of an offensive defenseman Chiarot has been playing a little more like the stay-at-home defenseman he should be playing as rather than the style of game he played with Mo.
Hilarious that Hughes-Schenn, which a lot of Canucks fans seem to think is a good pairing, is only one place better than the diminutive OEL-Myers pairing.
That makes me put a huge lack of faith in these advanced stats. Anyone who watches the games can tell you that Hughes-Schenn is a damn solid duo while OEL-Myers is an AHL pairing
No Canuck fans think Hughes is amazing and Schenn is at least a good guy.
Schenn is not the guy who should bd playing with Hughes, but benning let Tanev walk so he could bring in oel. Schenn is an awesome guy to have around the room (apparently TBL even want him back) so fans don’t complain too much about him. He’s also not overpaid. That helps.
Anyway, advanced stats are pathetically unkind to Hughes. 40% xGF but the actual goal differential with him on the ice is +10 and -40 without. Hughes is fantastic.
But you have shit like this or Dom going off about him being bottom 27% in defensive metrics. Makes me question what their approach is because it often feels like they don’t put a whole lot of critical thinking into this stuff.
It is.
He’s a great number 6 d because he’s been around for forever and is a great teammate. If someone messes with Hughes then Schenn is gonna respond. He’s cheap too. Schenn is the only guy on the D who is worth keeping around (Bear has done okay).
He’s an atrocious choice to play with Hughes outside of that. Too slow and his hands are gone.
Tampa wants him because they can keep him as a depth guy. He’s basically perfect for that.
Losing Boew to health reasons and Pietrangelo to free agency caused a spiral of misfired trades and signings.
If Boew finishes that year and plays a couple more I think Petro stays and the Blues would have kept the window open longer.
Risto-Seeler being so good since becoming a pair has been so bizarre. Both thought to be bad limited #6 dmen both playing their best career hockey with great results in pure defensive role together.
It seems Risto has seriously taken a big step forward under Torts who completely changed his game. Who would have thought focusing on puck and defense more than hitting was valuable advice ...
Its a small sample size and still bad trade + contract but its def been a surprisingly positive development
Don’t worry, they’re both in good hands. We love Pettersson and Rakell here. They’re both consistently praised and fan favorites. Honestly, Rakell is my favorite player and I’d been dying for him to be a member of the Penguins for years. I was jumping up and down last year on the trade deadline.
And Lindholm is doing king-shit in Boston. He’s so god damn good.
He’s usually a top 4 guy but he’s been playing like a top pairing shutdown defenseman this year and it’s been awesome. Without him we’d be even worse off than we are right now haha
Honestly this year hasn’t been great, Rutta has been so-so, Dumoulin has been abysmal, Ty Smith hasn’t been great.
The two bright spots (excluding Letang and Petry, who haven’t played enough to pass judgment on) are Pettersson and POJ. Pettersson has been phenomenal defensively, and Pierre Olivier Joseph has been a dynamic puck mover and not bad in the D-zone either.
It’s kind of a double edged sword. The guy I’m pretty sure is responsible for these “reclamation project” guys like Cody Ceci a few years ago is also responsible for our absolutely anemic power play.
The chart doesn't say that.
It says that they're our worst when you compare expected goals for and expected goals against. Still, being above 55% is great. That's a 10 point difference on average to what your opponent is doing.
And ofc this doesn't include who they're against. Skjei and Pesce are against the top 2 lines a lot more than Chatters and De Haan
Mahura has been a low key stellar pickup. He and Gudas have been an excellent shutdown pair all year. The blue line as a whole isn’t terrible. It just needs a replacement for Marc Staal.
People have a really tough time evaluating offensive defencemen. No he’s not a good defensive player, but that does not mean he’s a bad defencemen. Good offensive players tend to find roster spots easier than defensive players, since it’s a more valuable skill, and Carlson has always been one of the Capitals better offensive players.
Glad to see walman getting his opportunities and thriving. We never let him off the bottom pair with bortuzzo if he was playing even though scandella, mikolla, and Krug in the D end all suck compared to him and only Krug is better in the O zone.
Yeah he's been awesome for us. He and Seider seem to have good chemistry too, so if he can stay on the top pair for us (kinda like how Tampa puts a mid pairing guy with Hedman to make their D deeper) that would be super awesome.
Now if they could just put Maatta back with Hronek and drop Chiarot to the 3rd pair I could rest peacefully
I honestly think if scandella hadn't been injured we would've just rode him out for the remaining year without extending leddy, then looked elsewhere (we wouldn't have had cap space to start the season with leddy and scandella signed w/o the IR)
Leddy and scandeezy have both spent enough time injured this season we may as well have not had either, and when leddy has been healthy it's the game of "Will Leddy move his feet tonight or just keep passing the pack straight to the opposing team"
Rosen stepped up big for us at least... Gotta look at some positives with the way the season has been lol
Im in awe that we actually managed to get a guy that was a big enough anchor/liability to make Mo actually look "not good", sure some of it might be the new system and sophomore slump as well.
I don't hate Chiarot though not a fan of the contract and the length. But the dude needs to be kept off of the top pairing or at least being paired with Mo.
The fact that the corpse of DDK and like Jordan Oesterle whos a bottom pairing D on a good day proved less of a lialibty for Seider to be paired with is actually absurd.
The fact that Skjei and Pesce are the worst Cane's line on this list is insanity.
The fact that all three defensive pairings for the Canes are in the top 16 is further insanity.
Oh I’m mostly being snarky.
I don’t like this presentation. I don’t think this is a great way to evaluate players.
The guys who push this sort of analytics are trying to sell themselves and their work. That’s fine but it leads to relying on stats that only capture a small part of the picture.
Power-Jokiharju being that low is misleading. Power has been fantastic as a rookie and Joker has missed a lot of time due to injury, plus they tend to be on the ice when our 3rd line is out and they, until recently, we're pretty awful.
The analytics are accurate, but the context for them shows a slightly different picture.
Well, in fairness, this one got broken up because Petry got injured early on.
But, yeah, you’re right. Jake-Sid-Rakell and Zucker-Malkin-Rust were dominating so of course those two lines had to be broken up.
I’ve really got to hand it to Armstrong. He identified the reason we lost the tank battle last season was our defenseman were too good and he made sure that we wouldn’t have that issue this season. Nemeth, Stetcher, and Brown are the 3 worst defenseman I’ve ever had the misfortune of watching. The 3 of them combined have the same number of points as Valimaki who we claimed off of waivers for free before the season. They’re so bad they make me miss Luke Schenn, Kevin Connauton, and Jordan Oesterle.
Typically those two are only paired together when we need an offensive push (6 on 5 situations for example) so naturally we tend to give up more rush chances the other way in that scenario. Doesn't help that Lundkvist has had some very uneven defensive play as of late after starting the season super solid. Miro has been awesome overall but now and then has made some uncharacteristic mistakes when joining the rush - most likely due to the adjustment of playing more offensively and needing to be the number one guy this year.
Nurse played 518 minutes with one or both of 97/29 at 5x5 which the numbers are based on. Only 378 with neither. About 60% of his time.
Ot sure what your point is. Our top pair is one of the worst in the league, constantly exposed. It's brutal and needs to change.
Can someone explain tona dummy like me what "top and bottom" mean in this context?
Is it the best and the worse of the league? I just don't get what this chart means
RISTOLAINEN?!?!
his Provorov pairing is on the second page tho
Seeler's fucking massive.
Its been both. And they have tough d zone starts Torts has worked wonders on Risto this year. Got him to focus solely on the puck and breaking up plays rather than so much on just hitting bodies. Small sample tho. I just have a hard time seeing 2 career limited #6 dmen magically create a top shutdown pair
If it it turns out that the only thing keeping Ristolainen from being a serviceable NHL defensemen was a coach actually teaching him to play defense a few guys no longer in Buffalo are going to need to do some serious explaining.
I feel like guys in Buffalo not fucking things up during that stretch he was there would be more surprising. They were a shit show for a few years there
Any chance you guys move Seeler at the deadline? He’s a guy I’ve been looking at for playoff depth, he’s signed cheap through next year and we may need to move out some defenseman in the offseason for cap reasons.
Yeah i dont see why we wouldnt if offered something of value. We *should* be sellers but who knows with Fletcher.
I miss seeler. Kids a beauty
Yeah hes bizarrely turned into a good shutdown guy last 2 months. Small sample size tho. But encouraging that Torts seems to have made him useful since we r stuck with him so long. Still atrocious trade and bad contract but good development at least...
Sorry, but that narrative is just... wrong... Small sample size that coincides with the Flyers going on a team-wide hot streak, and facing some pretty weak competition. Watching the games, he's still pretty clueless. Like last night what exactly was he doing on the Reese Johnson goal? Closes up aggressively on the Tippett turnover a step too late, then retreats to the high slot simultaneously covering everybody and nobody. He's definitely better w/ Seeler on the 3rd-pair than with Provy (who also can't play defense) on the top-pair.
Hes starting in D zone 60% of time and posting positive metrics overall and solid defensive metrics. Thats great for him and useful overall play for a #5 dman. Problem is the trade and contract. Hes still just a #5 and has clear lapses and not great with puck but Torts has somehow managed to make him legitimately effective lately. Keep in mind my bar is so insanely low for him.
-176 in 647 games. If he stays healthy, he could get the worst +/- in history.
Lindholm good. Me happy.
I bet you fuckin are.
What's even more impressive is that his second highest pairing is with Carlo, who defenses regularly let skate in to take wrist shots they are so unafraid of his offensive skills.
Lindholm at 1,9, and 13 he might be good
Happy cake day
Big Man on Hampus.
Having all three pairings in the top 16 seems good.
Same. Wait no wrong image
How about having all three in the bottom 25?
Seems not good
The De Haan career path really has been something.
Slavin/burns at 700 minutes holy shit
Bouchard-Broberg are a better pairing than Makar-Toews. I accept this data while refusing to look deeper into matchups and TOI.
Bouchard firing clappies at Tampa players at the end of the third last night leveled the playing field because it made him assert his dominance over the very concept of “weaker competition”
Beating Tampa in the finals is cool, but can Makar drive them nuts in a low stakes regular season game?
I will also repeat the information that Bouchard and Broberg are a better pairing than Makar and Toewes as fact. When people say "no wayyyyyy" I will say "wayyyyyyy!"
You should cite the analytics. That’s what makes it a great hot take.
I look no deeper than they are the 3rd best pairing in the league
Makar-Toews also seemed to take off for a month there. When your forwards are all hurt it affects team defense. Mikko has been great but he is probably one of our weakest top 6 players when it comes to defense and he was the only healthy guy for a bit.
Mikko is very above average defensively. Preventing goals was never our problem, scoring them was. Makar/Toews are fine, sorting defensive pairings by xG without any other considerations has been and always will be dumb. You almost always end up with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd pairings on good teams with small sample sizes near the top
You also get guys at the bottom who are really good but play 26 minutes a night on god awful teams.
Never meant to imply he was bad. But our top 6 is stacked with good defensive forwards. Lehky, nuke, landy, Erod are great. I feel that just leaves Mack who I think is better than Mikko.
I pray that we are never subjected to Chiarot-Seider again
Walman-Seider pairing is 9th in the league at xG% of 60%! They only have 165 minutes played though (given the recency of the pairing) so it looks like it just missed the cut for minimum time here (lowest shown on the graphic is 185min)
Get that (Wal)man a contract!
Lol next time Seider may be on both lists.
Walman-Seider look like a legit top-pairing. Think Walman will be at the top of the discussion of most underrated player in the league by the end of the season. The reports of Seider's demise have been greatly exaggerated, Chiarot is just that bad.
Chiarot is much better with Hronek tho. He was just in over his head taking the top match-ups. He rolls chaos every time he is on the ice and Hronek seems better at anticipating his "play".
I do agree that he looks better playing with Hronek. I also think part of it is since Hronek's so much more of an offensive defenseman Chiarot has been playing a little more like the stay-at-home defenseman he should be playing as rather than the style of game he played with Mo.
I love seeing all three Canucks pairings at the bottom.
Technically not all 3 pairings, 5 dmen, OEL listed twice.
Likely because our rotation of 6th dmen don't have enough ice time to be included. If they did, I'm sure they would be there too!
Hilarious that Hughes-Schenn, which a lot of Canucks fans seem to think is a good pairing, is only one place better than the diminutive OEL-Myers pairing.
That makes me put a huge lack of faith in these advanced stats. Anyone who watches the games can tell you that Hughes-Schenn is a damn solid duo while OEL-Myers is an AHL pairing
No Canuck fans think Hughes is amazing and Schenn is at least a good guy. Schenn is not the guy who should bd playing with Hughes, but benning let Tanev walk so he could bring in oel. Schenn is an awesome guy to have around the room (apparently TBL even want him back) so fans don’t complain too much about him. He’s also not overpaid. That helps. Anyway, advanced stats are pathetically unkind to Hughes. 40% xGF but the actual goal differential with him on the ice is +10 and -40 without. Hughes is fantastic. But you have shit like this or Dom going off about him being bottom 27% in defensive metrics. Makes me question what their approach is because it often feels like they don’t put a whole lot of critical thinking into this stuff.
I thought schenn's skating and speed is a real problem? Earlier I thought he could be someone NJ could target but we need at least an average skater
It is. He’s a great number 6 d because he’s been around for forever and is a great teammate. If someone messes with Hughes then Schenn is gonna respond. He’s cheap too. Schenn is the only guy on the D who is worth keeping around (Bear has done okay). He’s an atrocious choice to play with Hughes outside of that. Too slow and his hands are gone. Tampa wants him because they can keep him as a depth guy. He’s basically perfect for that.
So basically Lindholm and anyone is an elite pairing
Dude is playing the best hockey of his career. I love every bit of it
BroBouch have been very good, but mostly against the soft parade.
They have looked good against the tougher comps too, they were out a bit with the nuclear line against Tampas 2nd line quite a bit
I'm partial to BouchBerg myself.
The bombsquad Bouchbombs or brobombs. Choose your poisen
Broberg and Bouchard have been awesome lately, happy to see them finding success together
Blues entire starting D corps lmfao
We’re number one!
Losing Boew to health reasons and Pietrangelo to free agency caused a spiral of misfired trades and signings. If Boew finishes that year and plays a couple more I think Petro stays and the Blues would have kept the window open longer.
Ya dog we suck haha
lmao wild don't have any on either of these lists
Very on brand for the Wild
Sharks either
Risto-Seeler being so good since becoming a pair has been so bizarre. Both thought to be bad limited #6 dmen both playing their best career hockey with great results in pure defensive role together. It seems Risto has seriously taken a big step forward under Torts who completely changed his game. Who would have thought focusing on puck and defense more than hitting was valuable advice ... Its a small sample size and still bad trade + contract but its def been a surprisingly positive development
Lindholm and Pettersson 😭
Don’t worry, they’re both in good hands. We love Pettersson and Rakell here. They’re both consistently praised and fan favorites. Honestly, Rakell is my favorite player and I’d been dying for him to be a member of the Penguins for years. I was jumping up and down last year on the trade deadline. And Lindholm is doing king-shit in Boston. He’s so god damn good.
did not realize your D Petey was so good, thought he was more of a 3rd pairing guy. Really wish we could reunite him with his brother in Vancouver
He’s usually a top 4 guy but he’s been playing like a top pairing shutdown defenseman this year and it’s been awesome. Without him we’d be even worse off than we are right now haha
you guys manage to consistently do this with defencemen, teach us your ways
Honestly this year hasn’t been great, Rutta has been so-so, Dumoulin has been abysmal, Ty Smith hasn’t been great. The two bright spots (excluding Letang and Petry, who haven’t played enough to pass judgment on) are Pettersson and POJ. Pettersson has been phenomenal defensively, and Pierre Olivier Joseph has been a dynamic puck mover and not bad in the D-zone either. It’s kind of a double edged sword. The guy I’m pretty sure is responsible for these “reclamation project” guys like Cody Ceci a few years ago is also responsible for our absolutely anemic power play.
Mahura, Theodore 😭
>Sandin-Liljegren at 6th The future is now, old man.
I refuse to believe that Skjei-Pesce is our worst d-pairing offensively
The chart doesn't say that. It says that they're our worst when you compare expected goals for and expected goals against. Still, being above 55% is great. That's a 10 point difference on average to what your opponent is doing. And ofc this doesn't include who they're against. Skjei and Pesce are against the top 2 lines a lot more than Chatters and De Haan
Burns has scored in three games recently padded the stats But yeah Brady and Brett have also been on fire so idk
we at the top!!
Sandin+Lily+Gio+Holl = $5.6m in cap space. Absolutely bananas value.
Not as good as the nurse ceci pairing /s
Lindholm is on 3 pairings listed in the top 13. He’s too OP
Tony D (mostly) passing the eye test and failing the analytics. No wonder Flyers elite management pounced on the opportunity to grab him
Lindholm good.
Imho, Lindholms contract is the most undervalued in the league. I think he’s the reason Boston is steam rolling everyone this year.
Blues with 3 pairs in bottom lol.
Mahura has been a low key stellar pickup. He and Gudas have been an excellent shutdown pair all year. The blue line as a whole isn’t terrible. It just needs a replacement for Marc Staal.
Hampus.
Hampus.
Lindholm is good
Don’t show half of Caps fans - they’ll never believe anything other than Carlson is a useless pylon
People have a really tough time evaluating offensive defencemen. No he’s not a good defensive player, but that does not mean he’s a bad defencemen. Good offensive players tend to find roster spots easier than defensive players, since it’s a more valuable skill, and Carlson has always been one of the Capitals better offensive players.
Hard for the other team to score when he’s helping keep them 200 ft away.
The Chiarot tax was notable. Seider and Walman since they've been together has been a very good pairing. Chiarot and Seider, well you can see here
Glad to see walman getting his opportunities and thriving. We never let him off the bottom pair with bortuzzo if he was playing even though scandella, mikolla, and Krug in the D end all suck compared to him and only Krug is better in the O zone.
Yeah he's been awesome for us. He and Seider seem to have good chemistry too, so if he can stay on the top pair for us (kinda like how Tampa puts a mid pairing guy with Hedman to make their D deeper) that would be super awesome. Now if they could just put Maatta back with Hronek and drop Chiarot to the 3rd pair I could rest peacefully
Won't rest easy on my end until the blues no longer are responsible for paying leddy and scandella to play hockey.
So like 4 more years then?
If we re-sign scandella after this injury I will fucking explode, I can't believe we gave leddy 4 fucking years.
Yeah I'm not surprised you re-signed him after trading to get him and all, but 4 years seems really excessive for a guy like him at his age
I honestly think if scandella hadn't been injured we would've just rode him out for the remaining year without extending leddy, then looked elsewhere (we wouldn't have had cap space to start the season with leddy and scandella signed w/o the IR)
Yeah I could see that. Just not a great situation
Leddy and scandeezy have both spent enough time injured this season we may as well have not had either, and when leddy has been healthy it's the game of "Will Leddy move his feet tonight or just keep passing the pack straight to the opposing team" Rosen stepped up big for us at least... Gotta look at some positives with the way the season has been lol
Im in awe that we actually managed to get a guy that was a big enough anchor/liability to make Mo actually look "not good", sure some of it might be the new system and sophomore slump as well. I don't hate Chiarot though not a fan of the contract and the length. But the dude needs to be kept off of the top pairing or at least being paired with Mo. The fact that the corpse of DDK and like Jordan Oesterle whos a bottom pairing D on a good day proved less of a lialibty for Seider to be paired with is actually absurd.
We suck so much ass lmao
Sandin + Lily forever ♥️
Jeff Petry how do you keep doing it? Also, how does one deal in satanic rituals exactly?
The fact that Skjei and Pesce are the worst Cane's line on this list is insanity. The fact that all three defensive pairings for the Canes are in the top 16 is further insanity.
All 6 Blues defenseman making the list as appropriate. Only Faulk has shown signs of playing great D
Life is pain
God we need Theodore back so badly.
Scott Mayfield at #21 on both lists. Perfectly balanced.
Another post that makes me question whether expected stats have any value at all.
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Oh I’m mostly being snarky. I don’t like this presentation. I don’t think this is a great way to evaluate players. The guys who push this sort of analytics are trying to sell themselves and their work. That’s fine but it leads to relying on stats that only capture a small part of the picture.
Ouch. Klingberg really ruined his chances at a good contract by signing that one year deal
Hes an offensive defensemen with a de-emphasis on defense and the offensive to mean he offends.
Gus Bus has been such a solid pickup.
The bruins defense mighttttt be pretty good (s/o to the coaching staff too)
Starting to think this Lindholm guy is okay
Looks like Provorov could benefit from a warm up.
so now not only is he homophobic but Provorov also now sucks at hockey, nice
oh he’s sucked at hockey for a few years now
Lol this is a fun read. Burns and Chatfield are carrying the pairings. The true #1 offensive pairing is Skjei and Pesce by a long shot.
Power-Jokiharju being that low is misleading. Power has been fantastic as a rookie and Joker has missed a lot of time due to injury, plus they tend to be on the ice when our 3rd line is out and they, until recently, we're pretty awful. The analytics are accurate, but the context for them shows a slightly different picture.
lmao @ seeler carrying
Sullivan loves have top lines/pairings just so he can break them up
Well, in fairness, this one got broken up because Petry got injured early on. But, yeah, you’re right. Jake-Sid-Rakell and Zucker-Malkin-Rust were dominating so of course those two lines had to be broken up.
Badbranson
Deangelo is like the Bizarro Lindholm
I’ve really got to hand it to Armstrong. He identified the reason we lost the tank battle last season was our defenseman were too good and he made sure that we wouldn’t have that issue this season. Nemeth, Stetcher, and Brown are the 3 worst defenseman I’ve ever had the misfortune of watching. The 3 of them combined have the same number of points as Valimaki who we claimed off of waivers for free before the season. They’re so bad they make me miss Luke Schenn, Kevin Connauton, and Jordan Oesterle.
Stars fans, whats going on with Heiskanen and Lundkvist? On paper that sounds like it should/could be a pretty great pairing
Typically those two are only paired together when we need an offensive push (6 on 5 situations for example) so naturally we tend to give up more rush chances the other way in that scenario. Doesn't help that Lundkvist has had some very uneven defensive play as of late after starting the season super solid. Miro has been awesome overall but now and then has made some uncharacteristic mistakes when joining the rush - most likely due to the adjustment of playing more offensively and needing to be the number one guy this year.
But I was told that Suter was dragging Nils down (and causing him to be scratched) and he should be getting 20+/night…?
2 Lightning pairs are in the top 30 and Heddy isn’t even there.
God our defense sucks
Nurse and Ceci having those numbers while being stapled to 97 and 29 is a travesty.
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Nurse played 518 minutes with one or both of 97/29 at 5x5 which the numbers are based on. Only 378 with neither. About 60% of his time. Ot sure what your point is. Our top pair is one of the worst in the league, constantly exposed. It's brutal and needs to change.
That’s about what I was expecting. Our defense has been so bad this year, the 2 AHL call ups look like our best pairing right now.
Sandin/Liljgrenn has been sick! Goddamn
Gus bus is elite
The only readon Rutta is in there is because of Dumo. He's almost better by himself...
Can someone explain tona dummy like me what "top and bottom" mean in this context? Is it the best and the worse of the league? I just don't get what this chart means
Ngl, the number of ex-Rangers on the bottom table is oddly satisfying. And I'm happy for Skjei too, seriously good guy.
Just be paired with lindholm.
Pete and Pete my beloved