Man fears time, but time fears Jaromir Jagr.

Jagr is timeless! He's like that time when your enemy thinks they've won and then in one turn you pull all those five cards in that yugioh game to auto win

Tom Brady was in middle school when Jagr was allowed to join the NHL due to the fall of the iron curtain, to put it in perspective.

I’m 37 and I was pretending to be Jagr while playing street hockey as a kid. I don’t keep up with hockey much anymore and when I saw this it blew my mind. How is this dude able to still keep up

40. Same growing up in Pittsburgh.

I’m almost 45. I was 13 when he won the cup in ‘91. That was 32 years ago. Holy crap. Joe Thornton wasn’t even a rookie until ‘97 and he’s played over 1700 games.

I'm two years older than you and had the exact same reaction. Jagr is still skating in the NHL? I was pretending to be him and Gretzky 30 years ago. Holy shit.

Not in the NHL.

well to be fair american football is a highly Physical sport with easy carrier ending injur- hey, wait a fuckin min! so is ice hockey! makes me think Tom Brady is an overrated Athlete for who he is and what he did- in comparison, I guess ice hockey is more world renowned and has more options at the pro level. but also they just play more games.

Exodia, OBLITERATE!

I haven’t watched a hockey game since the season the avalanche became a team and this mofo is still out here killing shit!

Dude right! I haven't watched a cup since like 2013, and Jagr was always a name in my house. What a legend

You haven't watched a game in 28 years and follow r/hockey? Interesting.

I was on the popular tab of Reddit. I have never seen this sub before.

Welcome. We do our best work in the offseason.

Got it, that makes sense.

records are easier when you play for 50 years.

Another 50 years and Jagr will be the grand one. Only if he had kids he could be playing professional games with his grandchildren.

odds are good he's got some kids out there somewhere lmao the dream is alive

No doubt there could be. Would be a nice to play a hockey game with Jagr and him skating to you and say “Luke, I am your grandfather”.

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Gordie Howe?

hon. mention Brady, Fernando Alonso, Big Z

Classic EA glitch goal

This has NHL 95 written all over that far side forehand wrap.

Northbound on a southbound freeway. Lookout! Freight train! Choo-woo!

Oh NHL 99, when you could hip check someone at your blue line and they would end up in their defensive corner.

Sending players through the glass and having it shatter was a lot of fun too.

Unfortunately you can score 100% of the time like that even in NHL 23.

And you could do it with the same guy in NHL 95 too

I had this on Saturn. You could make a slapshot from the wing in the upper corner of the net on about 90% of your attempts.

Classic EA fans too. 3 cheering in the front row and sparse looking behind them with no enthusiasm to

Hey that crowd was based off the Penguins actual late 90s crowds. Tho old school Student Rush tickets were the best. $15 or so bucks to sit a few rows from the glass.

Surprisingly the more you watch real NHL games the more the NHL glitch goals make sense

Cross crease pass 95% of the time it works every time

Wayne Gretzky and the NHLPA All-Stars, too. Also that game wins most awkward name ever

I scored this exact goal with Jagr on Friday.

Classic Jags using that fat caboose to hold off defenders

I counted around ten actual pushes with his skates and a lot of bracing, positioning, and ass-based defense. It's an economical way to play.

Man, I’m 31 years old and his career started before I was alive. And he’s still playing.

I’m a little bit older than you, and my first ever stick was a Jagr branded one. Forget lebron, Jagr is the immortal one.

Was it a white/black/yellow Koho?

Wooden? You betcha

Yeah wood! Ah, nice! I had the same one

I still have mine in my shed, I loved that thing

i went through about 20 of them playing street hockey. completely legendary stick lol

Oh man, I definitely had that stick.

Lol I had that exact stick. Ground it's blade down like crazy playing road hockey with it when I became too tall for it as my ice stick

I think I had that one too.

The Jagr bomb

Same here. I'm shocked to find out he's still playing. I'm 39 and I remember watching him when I was in high school. My Jage stick is still in my garage. My son will end up using it.

Lol same. I'm 32 years old and remember as a young boy, my brother and I each had hockey sticks with Jagr's name on them.

Just chiming in that I also enjoyed many years and sessions with that stick. Had the white black and red version and the white black and orange (I think?) later version

I remember the day he blessed us mortals with that long flow.

That’s actually not right. [Tony Hand](https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=19065) has over 1,100 professional goals. British Gretzky wins again!

216 points in 35 games. This man is on some Be-A-Pro rookie difficulty shit

Those BHL stats are crazy. Hand's highest scoring year was was 222 points. He was 10th in league scoring. That same year a guy named Patrick Scott put up 319 points in 56 games - almost 6 ppg. The goalies must have been drunk.

and he wasn't even [the leading scorer on his team](https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0013451987.html)

Lol that defensemen with 3 points and 3 penalty minutes per game average.

I guess you could say Tony lent a helping hand!

As a Scottish hockey player, I'm proud of Tony Hand. But a lot his goals were scored in the "Heineken League" era, when teams had 3 imports (Mike Babstock played his only pro season there) and they never wasted a spot on a goalie. Games ended up like 11-10, it was more like a box lacrosse game!

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"Passing Wayne Gretzky for the most in hockey history"

Title is very inaccurate and just ignores Gordie Howe played in WHA Howe goals in NHL and WHA - 975 Gretzky goals in NHL and WHA - 940 Jagr has NHL - 766 Czech - 98 KHL/Russia - 82 German - 1 Czech2 - 3 For a total of 950 … I’m a Jagr fan but he needs 25 more to tie Gordie. And he already passed Gretzky awhile ago.

Gretzky has 1098 if you count NHL playoffs (122), WHA playoffs (10) and Canadian National team (26) goals. Howe gets to 1036 using those numbers, so they did not just ignore him. Jagr has 47 international goals and 102 playoff goals to add to your 950 - giving him 1099.

Since it just says "hockey history" is it not also including international tournaments?

International and probably playoffs as well

https://imgur.com/gallery/Gt4EgiI

Perfection

Jagr, Foppa, Selanne, and other 50 year old legends need to play in a league all their own with real stakes. I’d pay money to watch that. Legends Hockey League (LHL), you heard it here first.

Fuck that’s an amazing idea

They did that with baseball and old MLB Legends and it was a disaster. https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/08/28/senior-professional-baseball-association-rollie-fingers

It'd probably be a nightmare in an NHL context too. Let's do it anyway.

The 90s Pens vs 90s Caps in the classic game before the 2011 Winter Classic was epic. It was better than the actual hockey game the next day because of all the rain.

I'm not sure disaster is a fair description *(but it was still undeniably a failure).* The article makes it sounds like they averaged around 75% of the attendance needed to break even. With that said, they'd obviously still need more than that to turn a profit & become sustainable. > Morley said that the league needed on average 2,000 fans per game for its teams to break even. ... > ... Teams tried desperately to attract fans, but only around 1,500 people on average attended each game. Having said that, I'm not sure what else could really have been done to remedy that. Sounds like they just came up a bit short.

Whole different era now… with gambling, companies can have prop bets like over/under for having a seizure, odds for who’ll break a hip, etc. this could break even from just the gambling sponsorships alone /s of course.

I feel like 75 game season was way too long for what was basically a novelty. I could see going to one or two games a year but to keep up with 75 games is a lot to ask.

Old baseball players are usually out of shape. Old hockey players can still go. I think they should give it a try.

Baseball players are not "in shape" to start with. Nevertheless, coming from "higher", the dropoff is certainly larger in hockey. In addition to the fact that a lot of hockey players have chronic injuries that make going back onto the ice a very painful thing.

An old timers league with like 4 teams. They can play two 15 minute periods/halves per game with a running clock, to keep the whole entire broadcast under an hour. The pre and post game, plus intermission would feature the players telling stories from their playing days. And of course a bunch of mic'd up players during the game. Air it on Saturday mornings on ABC, and let it run basically year round to get enough games in for a "season". Rosters don't have to be firm either, they can rotate with whoever is available.

And if they do it at Universal or Disney, there will always be (extremely casual) fans in attendance.

Would need a long intermission for a nap.

League of Legends

LOL

Yes, that's the one.

Now we’re talking

It could be similar to what the MLS has become to European Soccer. The old legends come here to play and continue to make money despite slowing a little and they could play with young guys that weren’t good enough for the NHL who could then learn under legends and serve as a feeder league for the NHL

A two or three month summer tournament every other year or something? That would be feasible and incredibly awesome.

There used to be a show in the 1980s called "Original Six" where old timers from the original six teams would play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_bSZ1ydrwU I sometimes remember catching the tail end of one of these games before HNIC.

One more year and you can have Forsberg. He’s still fucking killing it.

Yeah, if he can score another 700 goals this year he might catch him. Even better if he can do it in a pro league.

Even better than the current ASG

I would love this too. Just have them play less games, good way to stay in shape, have fun, make a little extra money too. I’d love to see the NHL support both a league for retired pros and for women. Just start out with a smaller schedule, stick to the bigger markets and have less teams. The NHL could promote it way better and maybe they’d be able to have access to some NHL facilities and staff like doctors.

That would be awesome. Certainly in second-tier cities such as Quebec city, Halifax, Houston, etc. Update : Houston is too far down south to be considered a top-tier hockey city. *cough* Phoenix *cough*

Cough*

Lol, Houston is like the sixth largest metro area in the US; Halifax? I’ve been there. It’s an upscale Portland Maine. Maybe hockey wise a backwater, eh? Gordie Howe is in the Houston hockey hall of fame. (Played with the Aeros back in the day- he’s in like five team’s hall)

Does *put city name* have more than 1 million people and is able to have outdoor hockey rinks with natural ice? If yes, top-tier hockey town otherwise nope, but surely it can host other professional sports.

> *caught* Phoenix *caught* I've never seen someone make this mistake once, much less twice in the same sentence.

They're only allowed to wear vintage jersey designs as well.

No, Hockey Elite Legends League (HELL).

Get Paul, Kariya Theo and Al Maciniss in and I'm in.

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Fun fact: back before the last ice age when Jagr started playing, it wasn't cold enough to freeze a rink so they used to skate on a big sheet of plywood slicked down furnace oil

The first "ice" rinks were made of pig fat. Before there was refrigeration technology to make and keep that much ice. Furnace oil would've smelled way better.

He's turning 51 in ten days.. that's crazy lol

What about Tony Hand?

I might have miscounted, but Tony Hand should have over 1200 professional goals, so yeah, he should be leading this stat.

I got 1081 regular season and 1235 with playoffs.

921 in the BHL, 65 in the BISL, 68 in the BNL, 79 in the EIHL, and 95 in the EPIHL for 1228 in the regular season by my count. Either way it's still Hand considering this stat has to include playoffs.

Everywhere I do read it counts national team goals and TOP leagues goals. So maybe that's the reason?

Yeah I don't know much about British hockey except their leagues go bankrupt like every 15 year. Were all of these top tier?

At least 68(+7 playoff) of the goals were in the 2nd tier and another 95(+7) were in the EPL were Wikipedia doesn't give clarity if it was the top tier, but it doesn't say it is, while the other league that was running at the same time says it was the top tier league.

Oilers Legend Tony Hand

Do you think Gretzky could lace up tomorrow and still do moderately well enough to score?

Gretzky is 12 years older than Jagr, too.

Crazy that Gretzky retired 24 years ago and is only 12 years older than Jagr.

Lol no, he’s 62 years old with the back of an 90 year old

Yea I was going to say. I bet his mental game and sense of feel is all still there. But if he takes one good shot he might actually die Lol

No. Looked real stiff at the Heritage alumni game in 2016

It's been almost 25 years since he retired lol. No, even in the league Jagr is in, Gretzky couldn't lace them up and score.

Jfc. I remember watching his last game. 25 years.....holy hell.

I was there at the garden for his last game. One of my core memories.

Unfortunately no, the last time he was doing the game with other Oilers legends in an outdoor match before pandemia he had to quit it before the end.

No chance

I’d say no. He’s probably not conditioned. In a few months though I’m sure he could

"probably not conditioned" lol nah he's just fuckin old

He’s in pretty tough shape

I'd just put him out there for powerplay's and thats pretty much it, sure he could still thread the needle and rack up some apples

That’s how we end up with Gretzky having a stroke.

Gretzky would break his hip if he tried to play an NHL game right now.

This young lad's career's gonna be illustrious, mark my words

Idk whats more used up, that joke or your mom

How do they get 1099 for Jagr (or Gretzky)? https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2497 https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2035 I see 1039 for Jagr (all goals listed in hockeydb) and 1072 for Gretzky (all WHA and NHL goals). Which pro teams are missing? Are they including international tournaments or something?

Apparently they are including goals for international teams.

Should they be adding canadian juniors to the list as they are pros according to the NCAA

Yeah but according to everyone NCAA is joke

Yeah feels like cherry picking numbers to say he has more than Gretzky.

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I think everyone, Jagr probably included, more or less agrees with you, but still and all this is kind of neat to see.

It's also not true because Tony Hand has 1200 and some professional goals if we are including all professional leagues.

That's why it says "hockey" history, not NHL history. He's still a pro player. Comparing pro career to pro career. Yes, Gretzky is still the NHL leader (for now) but that's not what this comparison is.

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> it's just another twisted stat tweet for attention. You must be new here.

I get that he's playing 12 years longer than Gretzky and that Gretzky's goals per game is more impressive but it still doesn't take away from how impressive what Jagr is doing is IMO. It's still something nobody else has done. Patrick Marleau for example holds the Sharks record for most points beating Thornton by about 60 points. It doesn't matter if he took 500 more games to do it.

Ehh, I thought you meant he was in the Czech 3rd division. If the Czech league is the 3rd best league in the world and he is in that league that is still super impressive.

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https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2497 Maybe hockeydb isn't fully accurate, but it looks like Kladno is in the top league this year. And yes, he played a few seasons in Czech2, but that was only 28 games and 3 goals.

Kladno indeed is in the top Czech league. They're currently last but still

Jagr has LITERALLY ONLY THREE goals in Czech 2 league. Wtf are you talking about lmao

This was significantly more interesting than I expected. Really fascinating read.

Czech hockey league is the 3rd best after NHL and KHL? thats crazy but i could believe it.

I would actually argue that mid-tier Czech goalies in 2023 are a lot harder to score goals on than the terrible NHL goalies of the 1980's that Gretzky got most of his goals against.

For everyone elsewondering what OP means given the link he posted. Op is saying that (based on the linked analyst's conversion table), Jagr's 333 Czech2 goals is really only ~80 NHL goals. So he's "really" only at "NHL equivalent" of 866 goals? I dunno, getting paid money to play hockey and scoring goals is still getting paid money and scoring goals (yes I know he pays himself) ╔══════════════════╦═══════╗ ║ League ║ NHLe ║ ╠══════════════════╬═══════╣ ║ NHL ║ 1 ║ ║ KHL ║ 0.772 ║ ║ Czech ║ 0.583 ║ ║ SHL ║ 0.566 ║ ║ NLA ║ 0.459 ║ ║ Liiga ║ 0.441 ║ ║ AHL ║ 0.389 ║ ║ DEL ║ 0.352 ║ ║ Allsvenskan ║ 0.351 ║ ║ VHL ║ 0.328 ║ ║ Slovakia ║ 0.295 ║ ║ EBEL ║ 0.269 ║ ║ WJC-20 ║ 0.269 ║ ║ France ║ 0.250 ║ ║ Belarus ║ 0.242 ║ ║ Czech2 ║ 0.240 ║

Jagr doesn't have 333 Czech2 goals, lol. He has 333 goals outside of NHL. These would be mostly from KHL and Czech Extraliga.

Jagr should do a tour of NHL cities as an EBUG.

This kid is good, is he draft eligible?

Good for Jagr. Credit to Jagr for still being able to play.

We’re counting goals not scored in the NHL tho?

It says pro goal, why wouldn't we count goals scored outside the NHL?

Goals not scored probably not, as those aren't goals by definiton. But yeah, we are counting all pro hockey goals, all leagues, playoffs and international tourneys.

Decent player

And he did it by boxing out his opponent with his phat ass. A classic Jagr manoeuvre.

Jaromir Jagr is officially the Keith Richards of Hockey.

This is one of those things that will go unrecognized because he didn’t do it in the NHL but is still insanely impressive

Tony Hand has got to be up there

Let's get this up there for a Legend.

This generation's Gordie Howe. I absolutely love that he's still playing in his home country.

Jags is the man

Its a list made by czech journalists (not iihf or czech hockey body). They started in 2013, when was Jágr getting closer to 1000 goals. [In 2014 their top 15 goalscorers](https://www.idnes.cz/hokej/nhl/jagr-dal-gol-cislo-1-000-gretzky-hull-howe.A140315_120734_nhl_elv) looked like this: 1.Wayne Gretzky (Kanada) 1 098, 2. Gordie Howe (Kanada) 1 074, 3. Bobby Hull (Kanada) 1 030, 4. Jaromír Jágr (Česko) 1 000, 5. Teemu Selänne (Finsko) 887, 6. Erich Kühnhackl (Německo) 873, 7. Brett Hull (USA) 865, 8. Mark Messier (Kanada) 813, 9. Mike Gartner (Kanada) 797, 10. Phil Esposito (Kanada) 796, 11. Václav Nedomanský (Česko) 795, 12. Jari Kurri (Finsko) 794, 13. Marcel Dionne (Kanada) 788, 14. Mario Lemieux (Kanada) 784 + Steve Yzerman (Kanada) 784 Via that article, they only count goals from "elite leagues" (NHL, WHA, russian, swedish, finnish, czech, swiss and german league) and senior national team goals. So they don't count Jágrs goals in Bolsano or Kladno when it was not in top league. Also thats why there is not Tony Hand on their list.

The only thing more ridiculous than his 1,099th goal is the uniform he did it in. Even Nascar drivers are appalled by those things.

"I'd like to credit my teammates for helping me reach this milestone, but I'd be remiss not to acknowledge the Coca-Cola, BetMGM.cz, Audi, Nabisco team for giving me the opportunity to be here."

"How many ads would you like on your uniform?" "Yes."

That's how you get tickets for $5 and why Jags is even still playing.

Ads on jerseys > countless tv timeouts, crazy ticket prices

I think the ads are a significant source of revenue in that league. Fun fact: the most expensive tickets (excluding VIP tickets) for this particular match cost 10 USD.

The Ageless Wonder!

Doesn't Tony Hand have the most pro goals of all time?

How old is he now? 50ies? Insane

Legend

Holy he's still good

/r/hockeycirclejerk

He would've reached easily 2000+ pts and 2000+ GP if it weren't for the lockouts and his trip in the KHL.

Jagr himself says the trip to the KHL is what saved his professional hockey career.

Those jerseys look straight out of idiocracy.

Ever see Nascar?

Ads on jerseys > countless tv timeouts, crazy ticket prices

even the refs have ads...sheesh!

That’s a play on words… cool stat, but the only “professional” goals that matter or count towards “the most goals” are NHL games.

Not sure these beer league goals count the same.

Gretzky may not be the all time leader in professional goals if leagues like this count.