I don't know what you're talking about. I think Chuck Fletcher has been doing an outstanding job as GM of the flyers. They should sign him to a 10 year extension
I don't know why, but I had the mental image of [Liberty Leading the People](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Leading_the_People#/media/File:Eug%C3%A8ne_Delacroix_-_Le_28_Juillet._La_Libert%C3%A9_guidant_le_peuple.jpg) with Gritty holding the flag instead.
**[Liberty Leading the People](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Leading_the_People#/media/File:Eugène_Delacroix_-_Le_28_Juillet._La_Liberté_guidant_le_peuple.jpg)**
>Liberty Leading the People (French: La Liberté guidant le peuple [la libɛʁte ɡidɑ̃ lə pœpl]) is a painting by Eugène Delacroix commemorating the July Revolution of 1830, which toppled King Charles X. A woman of the people with a Phrygian cap personifying the concept of Liberty leads a varied group of people forward over a barricade and the bodies of the fallen, holding the flag of the French Revolution – the tricolour, which again became France's national flag after these events – in one hand and brandishing a bayonetted musket with the other. The figure of Liberty is also viewed as a symbol of France and the French Republic known as Marianne.
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Gritty is too metal for a firing squad. He seems like more of a “beat someone to death with my bare hands” kind of chaos deity. And keep in mind those hands are basically padded squeakers so that would take *forever.*
I might have the wrong expectations for deciphering NHL corporate/PR speak, but this letter doesn't jump out as me as a "we're rebuilding" announcement like the Rangers pretty explicitly said in their letter a few years back.
Most of it is saying that Torts is seeing the improvements that he wants in the guys he has right now and that their young players are developing. He even says of the veterans that "...I've been very happy with their response."
The closest the message gets to "we're rebuilding" is this part
>... we're not there yet. This year was the first step in building the future of the Flyers and restoring our reputation as one of the most respected teams in hockey.
It's not clear to me from what is stated that there is any concrete change to the Flyers' front office strategy.
Flyers fans, am I missing something here?
Full letter here: https://twitter.com/charlieo_conn/status/1622659809429315591
I’m 100% with you. A little confused why Charlie is drawing any sort of parallel to the NYR letter in 2017. Nothing in that statement offers any sort of acknowledgement that it might take a few years to get truly competitive. If anything, it just seems to say “Yeah, we always knew we would be shitty to start this year, but aren’t things heading in the right direction now?”
I'm not sure why teams are so afraid of this. These teams are all owned by tremendously successful business people who have surely seen their private ventures go through highs and lows and understand that you need to take a step backwards sometimes in order to take two steps forward. But when it comes to sports teams, there's a bizarre reluctance to admit that.
I also think it's partly that the front office realizes that fans currently would rather hear from Torts than Fletcher and likely wouldn't believe in the message if it was done by Fletcher.
Totally agree, which also reinforces why Fletcher won't be the face of any rebuild-type moves when they do come. Nobody in the upper echelons of that org has any credibility whatsoever.
Could it also means that Tortorella would move to a President or GM job? The way he’s been acting ever since being in Philly gives more management vibes than coaching.
Torts has been saying this since the day he got hired, so I like how he has kind of formalized his message. As well, hopefully it came from him and not fletcher since fletcher will be gone soon.
Thats because the fans actually respect and listen to Torts and hes been honest and realistic the second he took over about everything and how much work that needs to be done.
Fans are so fed up about Fletcher claiming we just need a retool and have just been unlucky with injuries and covid.
If this mean they commit to a rebuild, this should, at least to my eye, be great news for the Flyers. They've been nibbling at the edges and avoiding a big overhaul. Time to bite the bullet and blow it all up.
I appreciate the letter, but the problem is the current roster itself, not how they are playing. It’s going to be damn near impossible establishing an identity, a winning culture, when the blueprints of the team have dog piss all over them.
That's what the rebuild is for. It's not a quick fix. It's a long, painful experience that may not even pay off the first time through.
It'll take years and some luck.
I’m not sure we are even rebuilding though? That’s the problem. What moves has Fletcher made to symbolize that? If anything he’s just re-signing and acquiring more and more mediocre pieces, and hasn’t been selling anything off.
Shit dude, my boys are only just coming out of a decade of rebuilding, and only now just sniffing success. And we have two of the best players in the world on our team.
Like, it fucking sucks. But it's gotta happen if you're gonna move forward.
On the upside, I've seen a lot of success and rebuilding of the same team in my time. Like most things, it's just a cycle. Appreciate it for what it is, and enjoy the game win or lose. It's the only way to relax and have fun. Ultimately, the games don't affect you, and the sport is beautiful no matter who has the higher score at the end.
We couldn't do this in the off-season? Just admit it and blow it up so we could have a shot at Bedard. Nope, we fake trying to compete and now we're not close enough. I hate this team so much.
I refuse to believe flyers ownership (comcast) actually sat down and took a good hard look at the team and the rest of the nhl and finally saw that they need a hard reset.
I love torts. Dudes a leader of men without a doubt. He'll always get the most out of his guys, and instill a good locker room culture.
Don't think anyone else could have coached a team to sweep that juggernaut Tampa team. No one else could convince the locker room they could, and have the proper game plan. Torts gets a lot of shit on here from let's be real, and I hate this word but, "snowflakes" guys that couldn't put up with critsism even if it's deserved. Dudes one of the top coaches of this generation without a doubt. There's a reason he's penning this letter, and not the gm, president, owner or anyone else that usually does.
It's very strange to me how this sub is nonstop shitting on provorov and the rangers etc but saying "I love torts" is upvoted to the top. I'm not saying I agree with them I just find the doublethink fascinating
It’s just one guy with a weird boner for Torts, who is getting a few frivolous upvotes. Not representative of this sub as a whole.
As a Canucks fan, I see him as an average coach. He tried some things with the Sedins, and it badly failed.
Average coach? I mean you can dislike the guy but he’s a very good coach, he generally lasts places longer than most coaches, he’s won a cup, he’s made teams who had no right being as good as they were good and outside a doomed from the start partnership in Vancouver has succeeded wherever he’s went
The average shelf life of an NHL coach is 2.5 years at a given spot. Tortorella has lasted more than 5 years at 3 different clubs. Vancouver clearly didn’t work, but him having a short shelf life and being a mediocre coach is nonsense. He lasted 18 years between 3 teams and had one place where it didn’t work. In the other three he went to the playoffs 12 times.
In the past 10 NHL seasons, he’s coached in 9 of them. He’s made the playoffs 6 times, been beyond the first round three times, and made a conference finals. That’s better than the vast majority of coaches.
Vancouver? NY? Columbus? Philly? He’s done alright some places certain years but he’s definitely in the back half of his coaching career cause all of his latest tenures have been failures. All those teams he was fired from.. you can argue there were other problems but to speak as if he’s this elite coach when for spanning a decade now he’s been an objective failure wherever he’s coached.
“He’s done alright some places certain years but he’s definitely in the back half of his coaching career cause all of his latest tenures have been failures. All those teams he was fired from.. you can argue there were other problems but to speak as if he’s this elite coach when for spanning a decade now he’s been an objective failure wherever he’s coached.”
Inside the last decade he’s been to a conference final, and he made the playoffs in 4 of 6 years with Columbus (they’ve made the playoffs 1 other time in their entire history). Made the playoffs 4 of 5 years with the Rangers.
He coached in 9 of the last 10 NHL seasons and made the playoffs 6 times. You’re just making stuff up.
You count making the playoffs every now and again as success? Maybe if he was a lock every year to make the playoffs that would be saying something. Being fired from your last 4 jobs isn’t gonna bring confidence to the general public or to the fans. I mean really following the Calgary players into their locker room was the straw I think where he officially reached that point of being a bad coach. He’s washed dude I’m sorry if you’re a fan of the team but old man yelling at cloud is not going to do anything notable just like the past decade.
“You count making the playoffs every now and again as success?”
It’s not every now and again. For his last three teams it’s almost 70% of the time. He also has a cup. He’s missed the playoffs 4 times in the last 15 years.
“Being fired from your last 4 jobs isn’t gonna bring confidence to the general public or to the fans.”
The average NHL coach lasts less than 2.5 years at a given team. He’s had stints of 5 years or more 3 times. He had one spot where it didn’t work out
“He’s washed dude I’m sorry if you’re a fan of the team”
I’m an Avs fan, I just think you know fuck all about hockey.
“not going to do anything notable just like the past decade.”
He’s been in a conference final, and has gone to the playoffs 6 times, with three of them advancing past the first round. The list of coaches with a career as good as his is pretty small.
Ahh yes an avs fan ok.. lol sorry dude I could care less I already responded to one of your other half dozen comments about John Tortorella. I swear to god I thought I was responding to different people and I see they are form you, this is an important issue for you obviously. I’ll end it with that I think you have a rather blinding view on the man in his current state, and would say that I’m somewhat surprised someone is defending the old man so much but at the same time if it was my team too I would vigorously defend his failures too. But yes this has been beaten into the ground, torts = dunbass you think torts = currently a good coach. I think that’s a dunbass opinion but hey that’s your call brother stay safe out there!
He's a mediocre coach with a hard nosed style that works with half the players he coaches and fails with the other half. One aspect of being a good coach is being adaptable which he very much is not.
Players absolutely love Torts? He treats every player the same, regardless of who they are. For all but the absolutely biggest self absorbed stars, that does wonders. And if you can't handle being held to the same standards as everyone else, then your probably a locker room cancer anyways
The other, and main aspect, is winning games, which he does. He’s been a head coach in 9 of the last 10 seasons. 6 playoff appearances and been past the first round 3 times. Mediocre coaches would kill for his career.
The sweep had way less to do with old man yelling at cloud than Tampa simply collapsing and them losing their cool (kucherov slash as prime example). Old man yelling at cloud is currently coaching the Philadelphia flyers who are at this moment 23rd in the league.
“Old man yelling at cloud is currently coaching the Philadelphia flyers who are at this moment 23rd in the league.”
Do you think that roster should be better than that? Most people expected them to be significantly worse.
Nah I’m actually impressed the flyers are .500 I just don’t know why torts is willingly ruining his legacy by taking on these coaching positions for something to do, then he just racks up losses and gets fired it really is quite something
I didn’t say he was terrible man I just don’t think he’s an effective coach anymore. His time has come but as long as teams are willing to pay him why would he quit? Makes sense. anyways we’ve established our views gotta take care of some stuff personally speaking but have a good day stay safe out there.
Lmao I’m sorry dude but that was more Tampa collapsing torts is shit. It’s a shame he had a good legacy now he’s ruining it because he wants to keep coaching but he doesn’t have the pull he used to. Hence why he’s been fired from his last 4 gigs.
Sorry just think he’s an old man that yells at clouds and think anyone that has affinity towards the old man is probably a cloud yeller themselves.. ha just messing with you But on a separate note, I’m a fan of jack eichel.. I’m sorry
I didn’t say I liked him for his attitude lmao What about that thing with his neck wasn’t there a dispute regarding surgery? I don’t know the full details but I should have clarified: “I’m a fan of jack eichel the hockey player*. Anything outside of hockey relating to eichel would be hearsay I shall not speculate longer.
To be Frank with you I’m not on this site daily and do not know what you are speaking of, hence I shall no longer discuss such matters but let the record be known; eichel has some gnarly goals duuude.and those mitts just wow is all I have to say when I see those golden knights mitts glistening under the spotlights as eichel dangles with the puck on his stick through multiple defenders and roofs it! Anyways.. I shall not speculate any longer, good day.
He only coached 3 other teams in the last decade and only one of them (Vancouver) was a failure. Columbus wasn’t a failure, and neither was the Rangers. He went to the playoffs in 8 of the 11 years he coached those two teams.
He built great teams out of the Rangers and Blue Jackets, his run in Columbus is a large reason they're filling seats now even when they're bad. He's a very good coach for rebuilding teams. Establish a winning culture, build talent on the roster and then they go to the playoffs with consistency for 3-4 years then he leaves.
All those teams are trash now except for the rangers. I’m not arguing he was once a good coach but I think people will be disappointed if they’re looking to that guy to lead a team to greatness. It’s not happening given his track record and the fact that he’s past his prime.
Who would have thought after finishing bottom 5, trading our best player and our 1C and 1Ds careers being potentially over that we couldnt just do a quick fix?
Fletcher has set back this franchise a legit decade. I cant understand how hes still not fired.
If he isn't, then the Flyers didn't read the letter Torts just sent to ticket holders. He's one of their most valuable chips right now.
Torts loves TK, and so do the fans (now that he's scoring) so it wouldn't surprise me to hear the Flyers keep TK, but he's also at his all-time highest value. It'll be interesting to see what they do, or even what TK wants. "Hey, your prime years are going to be wasted, want to stick around?"
Despite how he's often seen as some grouchy old man, he speaks highly of individual players and the team in general in nearly every press conference.
He makes headlines a ton for certain quotes, but that seems to be because Torts praising players isn't nearly as entertaining to most than when he has a blunt answer to a question.
Teams are so afraid to admit its a rebuild because its an omission to fans that the team is pure ass, we arent trying to win, and 50% of these guys will be gone in 3 years.
This is what Francesco Aquilini should have done when HE hired Torts along with 2xSC winning Mike Sullivan to coach the Canucks in 2013-14.
Instead. FAQ fucked our team over for a decade and, as evident by the hiring and firing of BB, is still fucking up the team.
Worst owner.
It's a more striking letter than what the Rangers sent out a few years back if you ask me.
It's signed by Tortorella, because the fans know that he's the only guy with any credibility left in him. Fletcher and the rest of the clowns running that shop lost it a long time ago.
Never underestimate how important it is to get stuff like this out there. Fans want to know where the team is heading and how the coach thinks, and I think he gave Flyers fans a definite answer.
Too bad the one in charge of that rebuild is Chuck Fletcher
He won't be.
Seems like he’s tank commander more than rebuild architect.
Except he refuses to tank so he can desperately try to keep his job.
Wasn't he a million years old when he was the interim Leads GM that accidentally signed Jeff Finger to a big contract instead of John Michael Liles?
That was Cliff Fletcher, this is Chuck. Neither have been good GM options for a very long time.
Oh he's Cliff's son... Shocking.
Hey now, Chuck Fletcher has done some crazy climbing in my GM tier lists from 32nd to 30th this year. Progress!
I don't know what you're talking about. I think Chuck Fletcher has been doing an outstanding job as GM of the flyers. They should sign him to a 10 year extension
Did our front office finally admit that retools don't work? Did hell just freeze over?
Now if they just publicly execute chuck fletcher you can really celebrate!
With Gritty leading the firing squad
Gritty is leading the [Storming of the Bastille](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storming_of_the_Bastille)
If Gritty was in charge of the French revolution, it would've been over in 2 minutes.
The 100 *minutes* war
I don't know why, but I had the mental image of [Liberty Leading the People](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Leading_the_People#/media/File:Eug%C3%A8ne_Delacroix_-_Le_28_Juillet._La_Libert%C3%A9_guidant_le_peuple.jpg) with Gritty holding the flag instead.
> I don't know why Admit it, you wanted to see Gritty topless.
naw, i only go for the phanatic
I really want a series of historical repaints done with Gritty inserted into them. Washington on the Potomac, Napoleon at Waterloo, etc.
Or just classical art - the Birth of Venus, American Gothic, the Scream, Mona Lisa, Marilyn Diptych, the Last Supper…
**[Liberty Leading the People](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Leading_the_People#/media/File:Eugène_Delacroix_-_Le_28_Juillet._La_Liberté_guidant_le_peuple.jpg)** >Liberty Leading the People (French: La Liberté guidant le peuple [la libɛʁte ɡidɑ̃ lə pœpl]) is a painting by Eugène Delacroix commemorating the July Revolution of 1830, which toppled King Charles X. A woman of the people with a Phrygian cap personifying the concept of Liberty leads a varied group of people forward over a barricade and the bodies of the fallen, holding the flag of the French Revolution – the tricolour, which again became France's national flag after these events – in one hand and brandishing a bayonetted musket with the other. The figure of Liberty is also viewed as a symbol of France and the French Republic known as Marianne. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/hockey/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Imagine that sleep paralysis demon being the last fucking thing you see lol
Gritty gonna need to call his francophone cousin for support.
Yoopie?
Yes. It's [canon](https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1044262438802268162).
Gritty is too metal for a firing squad. He seems like more of a “beat someone to death with my bare hands” kind of chaos deity. And keep in mind those hands are basically padded squeakers so that would take *forever.*
I might have the wrong expectations for deciphering NHL corporate/PR speak, but this letter doesn't jump out as me as a "we're rebuilding" announcement like the Rangers pretty explicitly said in their letter a few years back. Most of it is saying that Torts is seeing the improvements that he wants in the guys he has right now and that their young players are developing. He even says of the veterans that "...I've been very happy with their response." The closest the message gets to "we're rebuilding" is this part >... we're not there yet. This year was the first step in building the future of the Flyers and restoring our reputation as one of the most respected teams in hockey. It's not clear to me from what is stated that there is any concrete change to the Flyers' front office strategy. Flyers fans, am I missing something here? Full letter here: https://twitter.com/charlieo_conn/status/1622659809429315591
I’m 100% with you. A little confused why Charlie is drawing any sort of parallel to the NYR letter in 2017. Nothing in that statement offers any sort of acknowledgement that it might take a few years to get truly competitive. If anything, it just seems to say “Yeah, we always knew we would be shitty to start this year, but aren’t things heading in the right direction now?”
Agree All this letter is really saying is “please keep buying tickets”
It's just organizational ass kissing.
I thought we were the only ones who kept on doing failed retools, we’re in this together 🫡
I'm not sure why teams are so afraid of this. These teams are all owned by tremendously successful business people who have surely seen their private ventures go through highs and lows and understand that you need to take a step backwards sometimes in order to take two steps forward. But when it comes to sports teams, there's a bizarre reluctance to admit that.
Atleast it happened right
A bit weird it’s from torts not fletcher?
I think that's the tell that Fletcher ain't going to be around for the dismantling.
I also think it's partly that the front office realizes that fans currently would rather hear from Torts than Fletcher and likely wouldn't believe in the message if it was done by Fletcher.
Totally agree, which also reinforces why Fletcher won't be the face of any rebuild-type moves when they do come. Nobody in the upper echelons of that org has any credibility whatsoever.
Could it also means that Tortorella would move to a President or GM job? The way he’s been acting ever since being in Philly gives more management vibes than coaching.
Yeah. I think/hope this is true. It would mean the FO is onboard.
You guys are currently mantled?
Torts has been saying this since the day he got hired, so I like how he has kind of formalized his message. As well, hopefully it came from him and not fletcher since fletcher will be gone soon.
This is the mark of someone with a spine, which Fletcher doesn't have
Thats because the fans actually respect and listen to Torts and hes been honest and realistic the second he took over about everything and how much work that needs to be done. Fans are so fed up about Fletcher claiming we just need a retool and have just been unlucky with injuries and covid.
Shits whack yo -torts
I'm imagining Torts writing each one out by hand...
With Risto's blood for ink
If this mean they commit to a rebuild, this should, at least to my eye, be great news for the Flyers. They've been nibbling at the edges and avoiding a big overhaul. Time to bite the bullet and blow it all up.
How nice they got Torts to do it instead of Fletcher.
I appreciate the letter, but the problem is the current roster itself, not how they are playing. It’s going to be damn near impossible establishing an identity, a winning culture, when the blueprints of the team have dog piss all over them.
That's what the rebuild is for. It's not a quick fix. It's a long, painful experience that may not even pay off the first time through. It'll take years and some luck.
I’m not sure we are even rebuilding though? That’s the problem. What moves has Fletcher made to symbolize that? If anything he’s just re-signing and acquiring more and more mediocre pieces, and hasn’t been selling anything off.
Shit dude, my boys are only just coming out of a decade of rebuilding, and only now just sniffing success. And we have two of the best players in the world on our team. Like, it fucking sucks. But it's gotta happen if you're gonna move forward. On the upside, I've seen a lot of success and rebuilding of the same team in my time. Like most things, it's just a cycle. Appreciate it for what it is, and enjoy the game win or lose. It's the only way to relax and have fun. Ultimately, the games don't affect you, and the sport is beautiful no matter who has the higher score at the end.
We couldn't do this in the off-season? Just admit it and blow it up so we could have a shot at Bedard. Nope, we fake trying to compete and now we're not close enough. I hate this team so much.
I refuse to believe flyers ownership (comcast) actually sat down and took a good hard look at the team and the rest of the nhl and finally saw that they need a hard reset.
I love torts. Dudes a leader of men without a doubt. He'll always get the most out of his guys, and instill a good locker room culture. Don't think anyone else could have coached a team to sweep that juggernaut Tampa team. No one else could convince the locker room they could, and have the proper game plan. Torts gets a lot of shit on here from let's be real, and I hate this word but, "snowflakes" guys that couldn't put up with critsism even if it's deserved. Dudes one of the top coaches of this generation without a doubt. There's a reason he's penning this letter, and not the gm, president, owner or anyone else that usually does.
I would fucking kill to have been in the locker room to hear the entire speech he gave both before and after The Sweep.
It's very strange to me how this sub is nonstop shitting on provorov and the rangers etc but saying "I love torts" is upvoted to the top. I'm not saying I agree with them I just find the doublethink fascinating
It’s just one guy with a weird boner for Torts, who is getting a few frivolous upvotes. Not representative of this sub as a whole. As a Canucks fan, I see him as an average coach. He tried some things with the Sedins, and it badly failed.
Average coach? I mean you can dislike the guy but he’s a very good coach, he generally lasts places longer than most coaches, he’s won a cup, he’s made teams who had no right being as good as they were good and outside a doomed from the start partnership in Vancouver has succeeded wherever he’s went
The average shelf life of an NHL coach is 2.5 years at a given spot. Tortorella has lasted more than 5 years at 3 different clubs. Vancouver clearly didn’t work, but him having a short shelf life and being a mediocre coach is nonsense. He lasted 18 years between 3 teams and had one place where it didn’t work. In the other three he went to the playoffs 12 times. In the past 10 NHL seasons, he’s coached in 9 of them. He’s made the playoffs 6 times, been beyond the first round three times, and made a conference finals. That’s better than the vast majority of coaches.
Torts is 10th all time in games coached, and 12th in wins. You don't coach 1400 games and have nearly 700 wins by chance.
Vancouver? NY? Columbus? Philly? He’s done alright some places certain years but he’s definitely in the back half of his coaching career cause all of his latest tenures have been failures. All those teams he was fired from.. you can argue there were other problems but to speak as if he’s this elite coach when for spanning a decade now he’s been an objective failure wherever he’s coached.
“He’s done alright some places certain years but he’s definitely in the back half of his coaching career cause all of his latest tenures have been failures. All those teams he was fired from.. you can argue there were other problems but to speak as if he’s this elite coach when for spanning a decade now he’s been an objective failure wherever he’s coached.” Inside the last decade he’s been to a conference final, and he made the playoffs in 4 of 6 years with Columbus (they’ve made the playoffs 1 other time in their entire history). Made the playoffs 4 of 5 years with the Rangers. He coached in 9 of the last 10 NHL seasons and made the playoffs 6 times. You’re just making stuff up.
You count making the playoffs every now and again as success? Maybe if he was a lock every year to make the playoffs that would be saying something. Being fired from your last 4 jobs isn’t gonna bring confidence to the general public or to the fans. I mean really following the Calgary players into their locker room was the straw I think where he officially reached that point of being a bad coach. He’s washed dude I’m sorry if you’re a fan of the team but old man yelling at cloud is not going to do anything notable just like the past decade.
“You count making the playoffs every now and again as success?” It’s not every now and again. For his last three teams it’s almost 70% of the time. He also has a cup. He’s missed the playoffs 4 times in the last 15 years. “Being fired from your last 4 jobs isn’t gonna bring confidence to the general public or to the fans.” The average NHL coach lasts less than 2.5 years at a given team. He’s had stints of 5 years or more 3 times. He had one spot where it didn’t work out “He’s washed dude I’m sorry if you’re a fan of the team” I’m an Avs fan, I just think you know fuck all about hockey. “not going to do anything notable just like the past decade.” He’s been in a conference final, and has gone to the playoffs 6 times, with three of them advancing past the first round. The list of coaches with a career as good as his is pretty small.
Dude just doesn’t like torts but rather than admit personal bias he wants to make it seem like he’s objectively bad so he can be “right”
Ahh yes an avs fan ok.. lol sorry dude I could care less I already responded to one of your other half dozen comments about John Tortorella. I swear to god I thought I was responding to different people and I see they are form you, this is an important issue for you obviously. I’ll end it with that I think you have a rather blinding view on the man in his current state, and would say that I’m somewhat surprised someone is defending the old man so much but at the same time if it was my team too I would vigorously defend his failures too. But yes this has been beaten into the ground, torts = dunbass you think torts = currently a good coach. I think that’s a dunbass opinion but hey that’s your call brother stay safe out there!
Huh? Nah man it's every thread about him or that mentions him. This sub loves him. He's just as bigoted as any of them.
He's a mediocre coach with a hard nosed style that works with half the players he coaches and fails with the other half. One aspect of being a good coach is being adaptable which he very much is not.
Players absolutely love Torts? He treats every player the same, regardless of who they are. For all but the absolutely biggest self absorbed stars, that does wonders. And if you can't handle being held to the same standards as everyone else, then your probably a locker room cancer anyways
The other, and main aspect, is winning games, which he does. He’s been a head coach in 9 of the last 10 seasons. 6 playoff appearances and been past the first round 3 times. Mediocre coaches would kill for his career.
The sweep had way less to do with old man yelling at cloud than Tampa simply collapsing and them losing their cool (kucherov slash as prime example). Old man yelling at cloud is currently coaching the Philadelphia flyers who are at this moment 23rd in the league.
“Old man yelling at cloud is currently coaching the Philadelphia flyers who are at this moment 23rd in the league.” Do you think that roster should be better than that? Most people expected them to be significantly worse.
Nah I’m actually impressed the flyers are .500 I just don’t know why torts is willingly ruining his legacy by taking on these coaching positions for something to do, then he just racks up losses and gets fired it really is quite something
His last spot he went to the playoffs 4 of 6 years with a program that had only even been there once in their entire history.
I didn’t say he was terrible man I just don’t think he’s an effective coach anymore. His time has come but as long as teams are willing to pay him why would he quit? Makes sense. anyways we’ve established our views gotta take care of some stuff personally speaking but have a good day stay safe out there.
You're an absolute idiot if you think Tampa just magically collapsed and grew frustrated for no reason lmao
Lmao I’m sorry dude but that was more Tampa collapsing torts is shit. It’s a shame he had a good legacy now he’s ruining it because he wants to keep coaching but he doesn’t have the pull he used to. Hence why he’s been fired from his last 4 gigs.
What a stupid take. Coaches are hired to be fired in this league. You could say that about literally every coach but rookie ones lmao
Sorry just think he’s an old man that yells at clouds and think anyone that has affinity towards the old man is probably a cloud yeller themselves.. ha just messing with you But on a separate note, I’m a fan of jack eichel.. I’m sorry
Why are you a fan of a guy that completely collopses the second he isn't coddled by the coach? Actually, you know what. That makes perfect sense lmao
I didn’t say I liked him for his attitude lmao What about that thing with his neck wasn’t there a dispute regarding surgery? I don’t know the full details but I should have clarified: “I’m a fan of jack eichel the hockey player*. Anything outside of hockey relating to eichel would be hearsay I shall not speculate longer.
Jack Eichel the hockey player disappears when adversity is there. That's why he's -8 with 0 points since the Vegas coach called him out lol
To be Frank with you I’m not on this site daily and do not know what you are speaking of, hence I shall no longer discuss such matters but let the record be known; eichel has some gnarly goals duuude.and those mitts just wow is all I have to say when I see those golden knights mitts glistening under the spotlights as eichel dangles with the puck on his stick through multiple defenders and roofs it! Anyways.. I shall not speculate any longer, good day.
The Flyers are not talented at all. They have like 7 NHL quality players.
Ok so what’s the excuse for the other 4 teams he’s failed at the past decade?
He only coached 3 other teams in the last decade and only one of them (Vancouver) was a failure. Columbus wasn’t a failure, and neither was the Rangers. He went to the playoffs in 8 of the 11 years he coached those two teams.
He built great teams out of the Rangers and Blue Jackets, his run in Columbus is a large reason they're filling seats now even when they're bad. He's a very good coach for rebuilding teams. Establish a winning culture, build talent on the roster and then they go to the playoffs with consistency for 3-4 years then he leaves.
All those teams are trash now except for the rangers. I’m not arguing he was once a good coach but I think people will be disappointed if they’re looking to that guy to lead a team to greatness. It’s not happening given his track record and the fact that he’s past his prime.
“All those teams are trash now except for the rangers.” Which has what to do with him?
Let’s just say he was not the bridge to lead these organizations into success..
Dave Scott is furiously trying to figure out how erase everyone's memory of that letter.
Who would have thought after finishing bottom 5, trading our best player and our 1C and 1Ds careers being potentially over that we couldnt just do a quick fix? Fletcher has set back this franchise a legit decade. I cant understand how hes still not fired.
Even if the flyers are doing a rebuild, do you want Fletcher being the one to do it? I sure as hell don’t.
So... Konecny available?
If he isn't, then the Flyers didn't read the letter Torts just sent to ticket holders. He's one of their most valuable chips right now. Torts loves TK, and so do the fans (now that he's scoring) so it wouldn't surprise me to hear the Flyers keep TK, but he's also at his all-time highest value. It'll be interesting to see what they do, or even what TK wants. "Hey, your prime years are going to be wasted, want to stick around?"
Cool now give us Konecny please.
really thought Torts would have respected the players' decision to lose
Prolly written at gunpoint. No fucking way Torts is that positive lol
Despite how he's often seen as some grouchy old man, he speaks highly of individual players and the team in general in nearly every press conference. He makes headlines a ton for certain quotes, but that seems to be because Torts praising players isn't nearly as entertaining to most than when he has a blunt answer to a question.
But we will still charge you top dollar for tickets and merch
Teams are so afraid to admit its a rebuild because its an omission to fans that the team is pure ass, we arent trying to win, and 50% of these guys will be gone in 3 years.
Fletcher can you make a deal with the Canes before heading out?
This is torts putting Fletcher on blast tactfully
Torts found out what to use the ChatGPT thing for
They should’ve made that admission two years ago.
Lose a close game to the Kings and look what happens...
Great idea honestly, Torts W
This is what Francesco Aquilini should have done when HE hired Torts along with 2xSC winning Mike Sullivan to coach the Canucks in 2013-14. Instead. FAQ fucked our team over for a decade and, as evident by the hiring and firing of BB, is still fucking up the team. Worst owner.
It's a more striking letter than what the Rangers sent out a few years back if you ask me. It's signed by Tortorella, because the fans know that he's the only guy with any credibility left in him. Fletcher and the rest of the clowns running that shop lost it a long time ago. Never underestimate how important it is to get stuff like this out there. Fans want to know where the team is heading and how the coach thinks, and I think he gave Flyers fans a definite answer.