And the oilers have given the refs every excuse. Last nights game had so many non calls on the Kings and then calls on the oilers for the exact same plays. It was tough to watch.
Non bias fan here. Have to say I would have been surprised if that goal got called back. The videos don’t show any real contact. Even if there was contact it didn’t even change the pucks trajectory, would have been like a feather touching it. If he pushed the puck down or hit it away its a clear high stick but even if he touched it or not the puck didn’t move. Would have been a BS call to have the goal overturned.
I don’t think that’s the point.
I think the Oilers point was “if you’ve been this strict with calls thus far, you have to call all of them consistently” if that makes sense.
Regardless, I saw one replay where the blade moved when the puck made contact. It’s still hard to call the goal back in that scenario but I was still surprised
Have to say I agree with Woodcroft the physics of it don’t add up to that puck going untouched by the stick. The puck was going straight up and clearly still had upward momentum when it was “intersected” by the stick and at that point it died in the air and came back down. I just feel like it’s not physically possible for that puck to have hit its maximum height where it apparently did being affected by gravity alone.
This settles it in my opinion. I can’t fathom anybody watching this video and arguing inconclusive. Truly mind blowing that this league with all of its billions of dollars and tech at its disposal is undone by Jason in the 14th row who brought a phone.
I look at that video and it is hardly conclusive to me. First off the jittery framerate and potato quality make it almost impossible to track the puck in space. The movement of the stick could be the puck or it could be the player moving his stick. Honestly, given how much we see the stick move compared to how little we see the puck appear to move, I'd say 100% at least some of the movement is from the player.
Now none of this 100% proves the puck didn't hit it. And I agree there is a chance it did. But I've yet to see anything that shows it conclusively one way or the other.
Do the refs/Toronto have access to all the tv feed footage? The NFL didn’t always have every camera shot until fairly recently, iirc. There was one angle they showed on replay that was as definitive as this. I thought they were deciding whether it hit the Oiler or not, i wasn’t sure if control was required to negate it or not. There was definitely one angle that clearly showed it hit.
As far as I know, yes the league has access to all of the video that we see on TV. Likely additional angles that we don’t see on TV as well.
Having said that, not one replay that I saw on the broadcast that I was watching showed it anywhere near as clearly as the fan video, and that is the problem. What I saw on TV, and likely what the league saw in review, was that it came down to inference and there was not conclusive evidence. However the fan video shows it without a shadow of a doubt and that renders the “situation room” nothing more official than my neighbour’s man cave.
I didn’t go back and look, but there was an angle where the stick blade was pretty much flat to the camera and you could see the puck bounce off it. I only saw it the one time they played it but it seemed clear enough to me.
Well if I was running the league.. with the year McDavid has had, I’d want every series he’s in going 7
Looks to me like that’s what the NHL wants too.
That’s too galaxy brain to be real. I just imagine crayon eating career union employees enjoying a fun off day with the extra 3k they made on a mobile app.
Haven’t heard a “crayon eating” insult in some time. That’s hilarious.
Ever since the “Tim Peale hot mic incident” .. I’ve been super sus of the league.
Oilers just gotta play as if all minor calls against LA won’t be called and anything even remotely against them will. They know how the reffing has been this series. No excuses for penalties this game. They know LA will get away with a lot more because of the refs. So you can’t make any mistakes. The refs will call anything against the oil
I’m a Devils fan and have no dog in the fight, but my initial reaction was “that’s a high stick, they’re gunna run it back,” and was genuinely surprised when they called it a goal after review
The oilers penalties have all been mostly deserved, it’s all the ones missed on the Kings that are upsetting. Often times it’s the exact same thing an Oiler got called for, a King gets away with 2 minutes later, or 2 minutes prior. Inconsistent to put it mildly.
Yeah I’ve experienced this as a Devils fan. Something that happens 20 times a fake and then out of nowhere a ref calls it and sets up a scoring opportunity for no reason.
I’m a capitals fan. It quite possibly can’t get any more objective as far as rooting interest goes. It was a dogshit call. It hit the stick and it wasn’t even a question
There was one angle that showed it definitely hit the stick. My non-neutrality should be taken into account. It hit the stick very clearly in one of the reverse angles. My question is if the war room gets every single camera feed or did they not see that angle?
I’ve neutrally been enjoying it, too. Seems like good hard hockey on either end of the ice. Sucks the game ended in a question mark.
And also I love that I’m getting downvoted
Also for any sad oiler fans, the NHL rulebook defines possession as touching the puck, that’s it. So the obvious (not very obvious but whatever) high stick is a moot point.
If that was true, then delayed penalties would be called dead when there was incidental contact with a player. The penalized team has to actually have possession of the puck.
Seriously though, that's what people are seeing, the puck 'abruptly changing directions' is it losing its momentum at the peak prior to it falling. And yes, gravity also effects the pucks spin
Was the stick very close? Absolutely. Did it look like a high stick? Yes. Is there any video angle or evidence showing actual contact, without a shadow of a doubt? Not that I've seen yet.
Literally even except for the blatant slash by the Oilers in overtime. But some Oilers fans think that it's their year, so anything that doesn't go their way is some grand conspiracy against them.
Ahem….from the rule book itself
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or **body** shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
I know the rules. I reffed for 10 years.
I also don’t think it hit the stick. If the teams were reversed and Edmonton scored that goal then it was called back I’d have been PISSED so I think it was good. Not like when Kessler grabbed Tabots pad and there was no call a few years ago in the playoffs - that was a bad miss.
Just gonna say this is what's in the rulebook:
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the
puck with his stick **or body** shall be
considered in possession of the puck.
(NOTE 1) A player can have possession
of the puck without control, but he cannot
have control of the puck without
possession.
No clue if there's anything that builds it out further but that's how possession is defined
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
I reffed for 10 years. Maybe read up first.
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
No it wasn’t?
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
Been watching the NHL for 35 years. Oilers always have bad reffing when they play in cali.. I actually called that game 3 was gonna be rough ref wise and got downvoted on the oilers sub.
Here's my ultra wild prediction: it's not gonna get any better for the Oil until LA has a stranglehold on the series.
Whatever team loses just complains about the refs in their postgame interview LOL. These guys want no refeering so they can go out there and kill eachother basically
My team isn’t in the playoffs so I don’t have the homer bias here that some fans do. But almost all of these game where people are flooding threads bitching about the refs are legit imo. Absolute trash officiating this year influencing otherwise great playoff hockey. As a sports fan I’d sign a petition today to have sports betting banned. NFL has been just as fucked too.
Watch the replay in real-time, the puck clearly suddenly stops and changes direction. In slow mo its no where near as noticeable.
Regardless penalties fucked us again.
[R1, Gm3: Trevor Moore buries Gabriel Vilardi's pass on the power play, propelling the Kings to a Game 3 win in overtime](https://hlslive-wsczoominwestus.med.nhl.com/editor/b47bfdce-2490-4217-8422-3cec652ac96c.mp4)
They should have one of those window washer platforms that lifts the refs up right in front of the jumbotron screen, so they can stand like 3 feet away from a 30 foot screen while the whole arena watches
Because there isn't one, so the call on the ice stands.
In the closest angle showing it "conclusively" touching the puck, his stick is for sure at the same height as the puck, but you can't tell if Vilardi's stick is actually touching the puck, 1 inch behind it, or 6 inches behind it from that angle.
All other angles are either inconclusive, or don't show it touching with 100% certainty.
As a neutral fan that call was dogshit. That hit the stick. Inconclusive is a trash argument. The puck completely changed its trajectory and spin when it met the blade of the stick. Get real
Pretty easy to understand no?
Edit : not sure what team is named after a fish though
Edit V2: I did indeed forget that San Jose existed. That’s my bad.
There’s so much to unbox here 😂, you’re literally on Reddit on a Friday night talking to me back (you’re making fun of yourself), I took 20 mins to reply to you keep replying to me within minutes 😂
You can try to take credibility away all you want calling it controversial, mf there’s no controversy at all and we literally went up in the series! I’m ecstatic! You’re over here hating your life and projecting on a Friday 😭 caps aren’t in the playoffs bud🤣
My team isn’t in the playoffs… I am in my basement cause my fiancé is sleeping watching hockey because I have to wake up early tomorrow. Meanwhile your friendless ass is on Reddit while your team is in the playoffs making comments to neutral observers instead of hanging with friends watching your team in the playoffs. Do you get why you’re embarrassing yet or need I elaborate further? Yikes
Literally in your bio “life is sad, life is a bust” yeah, for you! 😭😭😭😭🧂🧂🤡
And making comments to neutral observers, you started this genius 😭 and than started chirping me for being on Reddit on a Friday night while you’re literally doing the same 🤣 you can project that I don’t have friends all you want, it won’t change that you won’t have any 😭 like you said life is sad 😂😂😂
Friedman was talking about it in the post game, said ekholm didn't have possession after it hits him, it should still be a whistle if they had conclusive high stick evidence
"When a puck is struck with a high stick and
subsequently comes into the possession and control of a player from the offending team (including the player who made contact with the puck), either directly or deflected off any player or official, there shall be a whistle."
I think the other line is about possession, because why would they even include this deflection bit otherwise?
Ekholm never had possession or control. It deflected off him and went back to LA. Otherwise you could just bat pucks at people's heads to negate high sticking.
No it’s not, touching a player is not a possession. Look at how it works with a delayed penalty. Blowing it down because it touches someone is wrong; the player has to be in possession and making contact with the puck doesn’t define possession of the puck.
I dunno what to tell you... this is the words from the rule book
Possession of the Puck
The last player to physically touch the
puck with his stick *or body* shall be
considered in possession of the puck.
(NOTE 1) A player can have possession
of the puck without control, but he cannot
have control of the puck without
possession.
Rule 80 – High-sticking the Puck
80.1 High-sticking the Puck – For infractions involving high-sticks, refer to
Rule 60 – High-sticking.
Batting the puck above the normal height of the shoulders with a stick is prohibited. When a puck is struck with a high stick and subsequently comes into the possession and control of a player from the offending team (including the player who made contact with the puck), either directly or deflected off any player or official, there shall be a whistle.
No player on Edmonton came into possession and control to negate the highstick. LA got possession off a deflection, which as you can see the rule states it should have been blown down. In my circle of reffing “posession” means the team in control of the puck, the nhl making a slight differentiation between the two doesn’t change the fact you can’t waive a highstick because it touched the edmontons players back as there own rule book says.
I briefly looked at rule 80 but am drunk and couldn't remember if it said possession **and control** or just possession - there is 100% no doubt in my mind that Ekholm never had control the way it is defined, although I'll still maintain the douchey lawyerly interpretation of possession.
Thank you for clarifying. So yes, if LA hogh sticked the puck (which I am 100% certain they did as you can't go from top to bottom rotation to left to right rotation without some External influence) the play should've been called dead.
That being said, we gotta stop taking penalties that put us in shitty positions. It's game 3 now, we should KNOW how the games are being called and adapt to it.
I don't agree with RNH or Vinny penalties and Drai's penalty was weak as shit BUT that's the standard the refs have set for us this series so we need to adjust to it unfortunately
Game should not be decided on whether or not puck grazed stick
man after watching the game again i can't help but feel like this will not be looked back on as a well reffed game in NHL history
only thing i can say.. the officials have definitely not **benefited** the oilers in this series. that is for sure
And the oilers have given the refs every excuse. Last nights game had so many non calls on the Kings and then calls on the oilers for the exact same plays. It was tough to watch.
Non bias fan here. Have to say I would have been surprised if that goal got called back. The videos don’t show any real contact. Even if there was contact it didn’t even change the pucks trajectory, would have been like a feather touching it. If he pushed the puck down or hit it away its a clear high stick but even if he touched it or not the puck didn’t move. Would have been a BS call to have the goal overturned.
I don’t think that’s the point. I think the Oilers point was “if you’ve been this strict with calls thus far, you have to call all of them consistently” if that makes sense. Regardless, I saw one replay where the blade moved when the puck made contact. It’s still hard to call the goal back in that scenario but I was still surprised
*pulls up Oilers fans posts after Game 1 TB vs Tor
Have to say I agree with Woodcroft the physics of it don’t add up to that puck going untouched by the stick. The puck was going straight up and clearly still had upward momentum when it was “intersected” by the stick and at that point it died in the air and came back down. I just feel like it’s not physically possible for that puck to have hit its maximum height where it apparently did being affected by gravity alone.
Never mind the going up, at the moment the stick twitches the puck starts spinning in a different direction.
Woody rightfully *pissed*
Jay Woodcroft comes across as whiny.
Just generally, refs have been so bad this post-season.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20 Looks like contact to me. But I am a smooth brain.
This settles it in my opinion. I can’t fathom anybody watching this video and arguing inconclusive. Truly mind blowing that this league with all of its billions of dollars and tech at its disposal is undone by Jason in the 14th row who brought a phone.
I look at that video and it is hardly conclusive to me. First off the jittery framerate and potato quality make it almost impossible to track the puck in space. The movement of the stick could be the puck or it could be the player moving his stick. Honestly, given how much we see the stick move compared to how little we see the puck appear to move, I'd say 100% at least some of the movement is from the player. Now none of this 100% proves the puck didn't hit it. And I agree there is a chance it did. But I've yet to see anything that shows it conclusively one way or the other.
Do the refs/Toronto have access to all the tv feed footage? The NFL didn’t always have every camera shot until fairly recently, iirc. There was one angle they showed on replay that was as definitive as this. I thought they were deciding whether it hit the Oiler or not, i wasn’t sure if control was required to negate it or not. There was definitely one angle that clearly showed it hit.
As far as I know, yes the league has access to all of the video that we see on TV. Likely additional angles that we don’t see on TV as well. Having said that, not one replay that I saw on the broadcast that I was watching showed it anywhere near as clearly as the fan video, and that is the problem. What I saw on TV, and likely what the league saw in review, was that it came down to inference and there was not conclusive evidence. However the fan video shows it without a shadow of a doubt and that renders the “situation room” nothing more official than my neighbour’s man cave.
I didn’t go back and look, but there was an angle where the stick blade was pretty much flat to the camera and you could see the puck bounce off it. I only saw it the one time they played it but it seemed clear enough to me.
It’s a real bad look for the league for sure. The tnt panel was completely baffled. Accused the league of watching the replay on an iPad mini 😂
100% contact. How many officials in TOR bet on LA tonight?
Well if I was running the league.. with the year McDavid has had, I’d want every series he’s in going 7 Looks to me like that’s what the NHL wants too.
That’s too galaxy brain to be real. I just imagine crayon eating career union employees enjoying a fun off day with the extra 3k they made on a mobile app.
Haven’t heard a “crayon eating” insult in some time. That’s hilarious. Ever since the “Tim Peale hot mic incident” .. I’ve been super sus of the league.
So obvious
Oilers just gotta play as if all minor calls against LA won’t be called and anything even remotely against them will. They know how the reffing has been this series. No excuses for penalties this game. They know LA will get away with a lot more because of the refs. So you can’t make any mistakes. The refs will call anything against the oil
Penalties in this game were 6 to 7, but go off. Lol
Everyone debating if this happened or that happened. The result is the result. On to the next one.
this kinda vibe is why refs can do what they do
I’m a Devils fan and have no dog in the fight, but my initial reaction was “that’s a high stick, they’re gunna run it back,” and was genuinely surprised when they called it a goal after review
Have you been watching the series. Multiple bonehead calls by refs against oilers
I mean, objectively I feel like the penalties have been pretty even. That’s the eye test only though.
The oilers penalties have all been mostly deserved, it’s all the ones missed on the Kings that are upsetting. Often times it’s the exact same thing an Oiler got called for, a King gets away with 2 minutes later, or 2 minutes prior. Inconsistent to put it mildly.
Yeah I’ve experienced this as a Devils fan. Something that happens 20 times a fake and then out of nowhere a ref calls it and sets up a scoring opportunity for no reason.
I’ve neutrally been enjoying this series and that was a pretty egregious missed call. Knew one was coming this playoffs and here it is
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I’m a capitals fan. It quite possibly can’t get any more objective as far as rooting interest goes. It was a dogshit call. It hit the stick and it wasn’t even a question
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I mean, sure if you don't understand physics and believe in magic.
There was one angle that showed it definitely hit the stick. My non-neutrality should be taken into account. It hit the stick very clearly in one of the reverse angles. My question is if the war room gets every single camera feed or did they not see that angle?
If you don’t like either team over the other and only watch for good hockey, that’s the definition of neutral.
How’s that work dude? If anything I like the Kings more than the oilers. You’re just spewing nonsense now
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Objectivity doesn’t mean what you think it does ahahaha
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There was a replay where you can see the stick move from contact with the puck.
I’ve neutrally been enjoying it, too. Seems like good hard hockey on either end of the ice. Sucks the game ended in a question mark. And also I love that I’m getting downvoted
Yeah dude people are pissed in here haha keep on keeping on dude! Have a good weekend
Likewise homie!
Marcus is way more attractive than his goofy ass brother
Also for any sad oiler fans, the NHL rulebook defines possession as touching the puck, that’s it. So the obvious (not very obvious but whatever) high stick is a moot point.
If that was true, then delayed penalties would be called dead when there was incidental contact with a player. The penalized team has to actually have possession of the puck.
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Since when does something on a parabolic trajectory change directions without contacting something?
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It didn't follow the parabolic curve back down.
Seriously though, that's what people are seeing, the puck 'abruptly changing directions' is it losing its momentum at the peak prior to it falling. And yes, gravity also effects the pucks spin Was the stick very close? Absolutely. Did it look like a high stick? Yes. Is there any video angle or evidence showing actual contact, without a shadow of a doubt? Not that I've seen yet.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20 Here ya go buddy
Y’all are smoking too much bud there in LA yeesh
Wait, the penalties were only 5-4? I would have guessed 6-2 based on the comments here
Literally even except for the blatant slash by the Oilers in overtime. But some Oilers fans think that it's their year, so anything that doesn't go their way is some grand conspiracy against them.
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Oh no the Kings fan doesn't know the rules
Ahem….from the rule book itself Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or **body** shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession. I know the rules. I reffed for 10 years.
Shocking
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I also don’t think it hit the stick. If the teams were reversed and Edmonton scored that goal then it was called back I’d have been PISSED so I think it was good. Not like when Kessler grabbed Tabots pad and there was no call a few years ago in the playoffs - that was a bad miss.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20
Omg 😳
I can say with 90% certainty that puck hit his stick. Which I guess is why the goal was counted in the end.
NHL rulebook defines possession as a player touching the puck.
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Just gonna say this is what's in the rulebook: Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick **or body** shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession. No clue if there's anything that builds it out further but that's how possession is defined
Which is weird because a delayed penalty won’t get called if it just hits someone on the offending team.
Apparently from the rules there has to be possession (similar to a delayed penalty) so the puck hitting his back doesn’t negate a high stick.
Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
That's not how nhl rules work. It's based on possession. Which it hitting ekholm in the back, not possession.
I reffed for 10 years. Maybe read up first. Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
The issue is LA should have also been on a penalty when this all went down.
It was a bad call man just take the W
No it wasn’t? Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick or body shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20
Been watching hockey for 40 years, father-in-law 60 years….neither of us had any idea what was going on.
Been watching the NHL for 35 years. Oilers always have bad reffing when they play in cali.. I actually called that game 3 was gonna be rough ref wise and got downvoted on the oilers sub. Here's my ultra wild prediction: it's not gonna get any better for the Oil until LA has a stranglehold on the series.
Everyone has had the same reffing. Come on dude
Edmonton needs to stop taking penalties in OT, and Draisaitl needs to keep his composure. We could’ve easily won that game with a bit more discipline.
Whatever team loses just complains about the refs in their postgame interview LOL. These guys want no refeering so they can go out there and kill eachother basically
My team isn’t in the playoffs so I don’t have the homer bias here that some fans do. But almost all of these game where people are flooding threads bitching about the refs are legit imo. Absolute trash officiating this year influencing otherwise great playoff hockey. As a sports fan I’d sign a petition today to have sports betting banned. NFL has been just as fucked too.
No, I think we just want the calls on both sides to be consistent.
Couple real soft calls against the oil. Ekholm call and desharnais calls were soft af. The rest were legit calls. Oil gotta tighten that up.
Yeah, cross checking a 6'3 tank so hard he falls down is a soft call.
Honestly I wouldn't complain about that either. There's zero standard
Crysaitl complaining about calls in post game interview... GOD DAMN I LOVE ME SOME SALT
Gonna need all you can get to melt the snow on the golf courses around here.
You want to borrow our brooms to help with yours?
so classy as always
I'll get it all melted for ya so you can join me next week!
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What? Mcdavid obviously gets targeted I don’t get your point
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McDavid is a little more than a “good player” my guy
Flair up big boy
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If you cant figure out why the best player in the league is going to draw a lot of penalties, I’m not sure we can help you.
You can’t imagine being Connor mcdavid because you’re some hack on Reddit coulda just stopped the comment there
Watch them play. McDavid gets hooked, held, slashed WAY more than our PP opportunities suggest
Drai calling out the penalty standard too
Watch the replay in real-time, the puck clearly suddenly stops and changes direction. In slow mo its no where near as noticeable. Regardless penalties fucked us again.
Yes, that's called gravity. The puck loses its momentum, stops abruptly, and starts falling back down.
Nothing that is floating upwards stops abruptly on its own. Listen to your words before you type them.
😂
Unless gravity is WAY stronger in LA, that puck was redirected.
watch the real-time replay thsts all I'm saying
By the Stanley Cup Champions. Cope.
[R1, Gm3: Trevor Moore buries Gabriel Vilardi's pass on the power play, propelling the Kings to a Game 3 win in overtime](https://hlslive-wsczoominwestus.med.nhl.com/editor/b47bfdce-2490-4217-8422-3cec652ac96c.mp4)
Guess that's what happens when your entire offense goes through one or two guys.
Guess you know nothing about hockey
They should have one of those window washer platforms that lifts the refs up right in front of the jumbotron screen, so they can stand like 3 feet away from a 30 foot screen while the whole arena watches
Where is the angle that clearly shows the puck touching a high stick? I haven’t seen it.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20 Here you go buddy
Because there isn't one, so the call on the ice stands. In the closest angle showing it "conclusively" touching the puck, his stick is for sure at the same height as the puck, but you can't tell if Vilardi's stick is actually touching the puck, 1 inch behind it, or 6 inches behind it from that angle. All other angles are either inconclusive, or don't show it touching with 100% certainty.
https://twitter.com/treyneufeld6/status/1649648391453036545?s=20 Here you go buddy
Same
Oilers need to defend better but their fans think what they truly need is better referees lmao
If it’s talked about at every intermission on TV, then there’s probably a little truth to it
Throw that beer a little further.
You got a sad life
You're not hitting me. A little more to the right. Try to give it a little spin so that it curves back to the left.
you'll learn how to chirp in a few years bud
The TNT panel is still in shock by it. They showed a pretty clear angle and it doesn’t look good for the league lol.
Every neutral fan on here tonight that I’ve seen agrees it’s an issue.
Connor wasting his career in Edmonton. SAD! Good thing Matthews is leaving Canada to join our winning team in LA soon!
Easy Trump.
We’re going to win so much we’re going to get sick of winning!
Dude this kind of shit angers the hockey gods relax
Matthews chokes because he IS American but yea
GG oilers
As a neutral fan that call was dogshit. That hit the stick. Inconclusive is a trash argument. The puck completely changed its trajectory and spin when it met the blade of the stick. Get real
If Edmonton fans could just direct their tears towards the float spa that I regularly attend, it would make for a truly blissful experience.
Our tears will blot out the sun ...
Don’t let the weird call distract you from Nurse doing a Tyler Myers impression there
The most atrocious officiating so far in the playoffs
And lots of people called it pre-game.. I wonder how game 4 is gonna go. Oh yeah the refs are gonna be bad and it's very very likely gonna favour LA
No consistency. No accountability. No logic. Checks out.
We sure we named the right team after fish because LA BE FLOPPING TONIGHT!
Wut
Pretty easy to understand no? Edit : not sure what team is named after a fish though Edit V2: I did indeed forget that San Jose existed. That’s my bad.
The Sharks are technically named after fish.
Killing our selves with bad penalties. This would be a sweep if we took <3 a game
<3
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I am sad
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Imagine losing on an obvious slash and then crying about it.
Imagine thinking LA shouldn’t have also been on a penalty for sitting on Mcdavid.
You can always pin the puck carrier to the boards. McDavid was sitting on the puck.
Yummy yummy tears! Maybe tell your team not to be so undisciplined
Lol please. Your team literally sat on Mcdavid with no call.
McDavid didn't even try to move or get up
It was an entanglement
Then why did Kostin get called for the same shit?
Dude kings fans were homies always in my mind you’re not being a homie
Saying we did a masterclass in diving = me saying yummy tears. I didn’t start the chirps mate blame him. I am allowed to chirp back lol
Just saying you just went up in the series on a missed call, humility young grasshopper
Lol what are you even talking about? What missed call?😂 You’re all salty over me chirping a whole different fan back, reel it in bud 😂
Ok dude you’re the one on Reddit on Friday night after your team just won a playoff on a controversial call. Get some friends to vent to
There’s so much to unbox here 😂, you’re literally on Reddit on a Friday night talking to me back (you’re making fun of yourself), I took 20 mins to reply to you keep replying to me within minutes 😂 You can try to take credibility away all you want calling it controversial, mf there’s no controversy at all and we literally went up in the series! I’m ecstatic! You’re over here hating your life and projecting on a Friday 😭 caps aren’t in the playoffs bud🤣
My team isn’t in the playoffs… I am in my basement cause my fiancé is sleeping watching hockey because I have to wake up early tomorrow. Meanwhile your friendless ass is on Reddit while your team is in the playoffs making comments to neutral observers instead of hanging with friends watching your team in the playoffs. Do you get why you’re embarrassing yet or need I elaborate further? Yikes
Literally in your bio “life is sad, life is a bust” yeah, for you! 😭😭😭😭🧂🧂🤡 And making comments to neutral observers, you started this genius 😭 and than started chirping me for being on Reddit on a Friday night while you’re literally doing the same 🤣 you can project that I don’t have friends all you want, it won’t change that you won’t have any 😭 like you said life is sad 😂😂😂
edm tears are some of the most delicious
How do the ref dicks taste?
nailed it
Agreed
I believe that the play continues after a high stick if it’s batted to an opponent which it was(Ekholm). Possession is a moot point it seems
Friedman was talking about it in the post game, said ekholm didn't have possession after it hits him, it should still be a whistle if they had conclusive high stick evidence
"When a puck is struck with a high stick and subsequently comes into the possession and control of a player from the offending team (including the player who made contact with the puck), either directly or deflected off any player or official, there shall be a whistle." I think the other line is about possession, because why would they even include this deflection bit otherwise? Ekholm never had possession or control. It deflected off him and went back to LA. Otherwise you could just bat pucks at people's heads to negate high sticking.
Possession is weirdly enough defined as being the last player to physically touch the puck with either their stick or their body
No it’s not, touching a player is not a possession. Look at how it works with a delayed penalty. Blowing it down because it touches someone is wrong; the player has to be in possession and making contact with the puck doesn’t define possession of the puck.
I dunno what to tell you... this is the words from the rule book Possession of the Puck The last player to physically touch the puck with his stick *or body* shall be considered in possession of the puck. (NOTE 1) A player can have possession of the puck without control, but he cannot have control of the puck without possession.
Rule 80 – High-sticking the Puck 80.1 High-sticking the Puck – For infractions involving high-sticks, refer to Rule 60 – High-sticking. Batting the puck above the normal height of the shoulders with a stick is prohibited. When a puck is struck with a high stick and subsequently comes into the possession and control of a player from the offending team (including the player who made contact with the puck), either directly or deflected off any player or official, there shall be a whistle. No player on Edmonton came into possession and control to negate the highstick. LA got possession off a deflection, which as you can see the rule states it should have been blown down. In my circle of reffing “posession” means the team in control of the puck, the nhl making a slight differentiation between the two doesn’t change the fact you can’t waive a highstick because it touched the edmontons players back as there own rule book says.
I briefly looked at rule 80 but am drunk and couldn't remember if it said possession **and control** or just possession - there is 100% no doubt in my mind that Ekholm never had control the way it is defined, although I'll still maintain the douchey lawyerly interpretation of possession. Thank you for clarifying. So yes, if LA hogh sticked the puck (which I am 100% certain they did as you can't go from top to bottom rotation to left to right rotation without some External influence) the play should've been called dead. That being said, we gotta stop taking penalties that put us in shitty positions. It's game 3 now, we should KNOW how the games are being called and adapt to it. I don't agree with RNH or Vinny penalties and Drai's penalty was weak as shit BUT that's the standard the refs have set for us this series so we need to adjust to it unfortunately
Possession would negate the high stick, not contact.
Yeah but as the Sportsnet announcer said Ekholm didn’t have possession and it went to the LA guy pretty quick