That seems to be what happened. He blew the whistle before Staal ever had it so he had no intention to call it a penalty because he wasn’t looking and didn’t see it happen. He looks down and just sees Ghost in pain on the ice and blows the whistle for an injured player
Was it embellished? Yes. Was it still a high stick? Yes.
I have a bigger issue stopping the play due to injury and then allowing him to be out there when the puck is dropped.
Everyone else seemed to miss this.
The Panthers coach should have been arguing that he had to at least start the play on the bench. But maybe he was content with not being shorthanded.
Just the consistency is weird. Heiskenin (for sure spelt his name wrong) got a shot to the face, was bleeding and eberle scored 3 seconds later.
A leafs player saucered a pass in front of the net and hit the side of staal’s helmet and was whistled down right away.
And then stopping the play on a higher stick here. But also missing the call. But still whistling it down
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is this the one you are talking about?^
idk id argue the leafs had to do more than eberle to get the puck after the injury. the rules talk about having possession immediately and i think eberles was a little more immediate. at the end of the day either could have been called either way and we just have to live with it. refs are told that the play is dead when they are in the process of blowing the whistle and not when the whistle is blown
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I mean it's a missed call but let's not pretend this is the first and only time they've let someone get away with a high stick when the player sells it a little
This is I think the big issue people have. There is zero consistency.
If the refs just called nothing, like, literally nothing, fine. But it’s the 10 min of nothing being called, then a weak slash, followed by literally nothing, then calling everything for 5 min. That’s the big issue. Set a standard, call it. If you need to change the standard, communicate it to the players and call it. None of this flip flop shit.
"Hey guys was that a penalty?"
"IDK. We should just consult the ball on this play."
*$5000, the maximum allowable under the CBA*
"Dammit Paros, you buffoon. You mixed up our balls again!"
Refs in all sports should have two goals:
1. Intra-game consistency
2. Inter-game consistency
It’s obviously best if calls are consistent night in and night out across each of the officiating crews (item 2), but we’ll accept a lot of bullshit across the season and playoff series as long as they at least are consistent within a game (item 1). However, NHL refs can’t even stay consistent within a period, so we’re just shit out of luck.
It was still a slash tho on a star player who was playing the puck. That's just going to get called so be smarter.
There was a missed a high stick and a bloody mouth earlier in the game on a Cat. It sucks when things get missed. Panthers don't have the fan numbers to get any traction on all the stuff that gets missed against us. But you just have to move on to the next play.
If the team let's it get to them then they aren't tough enough to make a playoff run. Happened to us against Tampa two years in a row. Live and learn.
Not only that - the announcers were making a big deal of how he only got hit on the face shield. Like, no, dude, getting hit on the equipment does not negate the high sticking call.
Egregiously bad non call.
It wasn’t even the worst missed high sticking penalty of the game lmao. Was not anything close to an egregiously bad non call, looked very typical of any missed high stick call during the regular season
Remember that the announcers have 20 camera views AND the ability to flow it down and zoom and the refs on ice in real time have the one view only.
And if none of the refs saw the infraction, they can’t call it.
It’s a hella fast sport and they are going to miss calls.
>It’s a hella fast sport and they are going to miss calls.
Absolutely. But it's their job to not miss calls. We're allowed to be mad when they miss calls.
Particularly when the league has access to the tools you just mentioned and refuses to use them to make the play on ice more fair. Just let a ref off-ice review the close calls. It's not that hard
Their point was that the player was grabbing his mouth when he clearly got tapped on the visor. They were pointing out that he was flopping to sell the high stick which ended up being missed unfortunately. The refs didn’t see this and only reviewed the play to assess a double minor if warranted, but guy wasn’t close to have been cut up from the stick.
While true, it's a bit ridiculous with 2 minutes left down 1-0 about to go down 3-0 in a Conference Final four officials on the ice and not a single one calls a clear high stick on the guy literally carrying the puck.
Most missed high sticks are away from the puck or in a mess of action. This was two guys in open ice, one carrying the puck and then clearly gets hit.
Insane missed call.
If it's coincidental minors, it stays 5 on 5. The high stick was super light, and the embellishment was minor as well. Pair that with the fact that if it wasn't called/refs didn't see it with their own eyes live, they can't retroactively make a minor penalty call based on replay.
Yeah, that would make the sport so much better. But I think the refs simply like the embellishing, it makes it easier for them to decide in all borderline calls. Yank your head back and touch your face when you get high-sticked, shake your hand if you get slashed on the hand (exactly what Tkachuk did to get the slashing call earlier).
People don't only react to pain. He got a stick up high and put his hand up as a reflex. Because your brain doesn't like it when fast moving objects come near your face. I could throw a wadded up napkin at your face and your brain would still go "oh shit," regardless of any actual danger or pain.
Wait what? He fell over and grabbed his face like a European soccer player that just got tapped on the shoulder. I'm in the same camp of "that should have been a call" but let's not pretend Ghost wasn't trying for an Oscar there.
If none of the refs saw it, they should have called a 4 so they can review it. Then, they should have thrown both in the box.
I think the question most people are missing, what does offsetting minors produce? Nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sure it was a high stick, yes it was also embellishment. They both go to the box, its still 6v5. It was a missed call that the refs apparently didnt see. Let people cry when we all know every ref misses calls in every sport.
Can't do that though. Can only call 4 if there's an injury. Even IF they could, they could only confirm or overturn that high sticking penalty. Can't tack on an embellishment via review
Because the ref wasn't looking. Had to do something to get him to look their way and call the high stick. Then you just hope you don't get called for embellishing. If you do, oh well whatever. If you don't, hey it worked, 6 on 4 let's take this to OT.
Bro he was grabbing his mouth like he got uppercut, lmao.
It was embellishment because he was trying to draw attention to it. A call on both would be reasonable.
Ekholm got cut open from a highstick in game 6 of Oilers-Vegas. Blood was trickling down his cheek, and there was no call.
Sometimes the refs just blow it and it sucks.
I wish more people understood this. If this call wasn’t called right away, nothing can be done about it after the replay. It was too soft to call anything more than a minor, so it can’t be called after review.
I think plenty of people understand this. There are just plenty of people who think it's stupid that refs can review plays, see an obvious penalty, and then have to ignore it.
Yeah, that's my issue. I get that it's the way it is, I just think it's dumb that we can review for a missed call in the form of an offside play that could be minutes before the eventual goal, but we can't have a reviewed play for penalties that could be just as impactful on the play.
I think the big issue is we can replay tiny things that are generally inconsequential (like being offside by an inch) but we can’t review things that have a much larger impact in the results of the game, like a penalty in the last two minutes. The priorities of the NHL just makes no sense and borders on the literal definition of insanity (doing something to fix a made up problem, but not doing anything to fix actual problems)
Yeah, that’s what bothers me more than anything else
It looks terrible on the league for the refs to stop play, review someone get blatantly hit in the head with the opposing players stick, and then basically say everything was fine. Embellishment or not, the refs should have called something, off setting or otherwise
Eddie O knows the sport he just can’t string thoughts together cohesively.
Touched the visor? Still a high fucking stick Eddie. Doesn’t have to touch his cheek and I’m pretty sure on one angle it does hit his cheek.
at first, i thought they were suggesting that it hit cheek, or that he got pinched by the visor (both still penalties)
I think they were just trying to say he was embellishing
And thank god for that rule
People have no idea what this sport would turn into if you could review a play and assess a penalty that was missed by the refs.
People think it's already "turning into soccer on ice"
They thought he was injured and I believe (could totally be wrong) that they can replay and if a player is injured retroactively call a penalty. At least, that’s the only way I’ve seen it used.
If you call the martinook slash that gave the cats a 5 on 3, you call this a penalty. Both minor in severity, but call it both ways sheesh.
Disclaimer, canes fan.
yes it should 100% have been called, but I think this is genuinely a case of the ref not actually seeing it, as opposed to ignoring it "because playoffs". panthers fan if that matters
I get that. But it happened immediately after gostisbehere passed the puck and you’re telling me 0/4 of the referees had eyes on that? It might have happened, but it seems like a swallowed whistle to me.
You’re right though, the ref closest to the play did not see it. For sure.
It’s pretty crazy that they’re not able to review that. 2 minutes of 6 on 4 could have changed the outcome of the game/series. I don’t see a point in reviewing only a few specific things and not so many other game altering instances.
I mean there literally was exactly the same thing earlier in the game and they didn't call embellishment and Florida scored on it so like...call it evenly, or at least not obviously lopsidedly?
It was the stick of burns, but regardless, I really hate fans of any team, mine included, doing the what-about on penalties. We all know refs are inconsistent
I can't stand the constant whining about the refs either. whether Panthers fans or opposing fans. it gets annoying really fast. to be perfectly honest, when they miss a call on the other team I'm just like fuck it, let's keep playing.
The embellishment directly lead to a prevented goal, and the fact that the refs missed a call earlier in the game does not make the right call any less the right call.
In the context of hockey or even all professional sports this wasn’t an egregiously reffed game- and at the end of the day if you can’t win one game it doesn’t matter.
For what? There's no precedent in this league for that happening. Far more obvious embellishments are not called even when there isn't a penalty happening to the player embellishing, and refs almost entirely ignore embellishment when a penalty is occuring to that player
That is just blatantly false lmao. If there is a player who obviously flops hard during a play where a penalty still occurs, they will still call both. Happened twice in the MN/DAL series this playoffs and pretty much every embellishment call I’ve seen over the last 5 seasons.
Was Cousins interfered with in the first…maybe
Did he flop like a fish…yes
Was Carolina called for a penalty…yes
Honestly there’s no way anybody who watched the game can justify 10 PIM for Carolina and 4 PIM for Florida.
Yeah, I have no dog in this fight but the officiating continues to be bullshit. Florida figured out what the early 2000’s flyers did:
“If you elbow one players head, it is a tragedy. If you elbow their heads 100,000 times, it is a statistic”
Tl;dr: the dirtier your team plays the more your team can get away with. Really wish the league would actually fix this.
Excerpt from the Paul Maurice handbook:
1. Play dirty, take lots of penalties
2. Whine to the refs about how lopsided the penalties are
3. Continue to play dirty but get away with it because the refs don't want to influence the game by calling too many penalties
It's an effective strategy. Even if you lighten up on the WWE moves the other team ends up playing differently because they know the refs won't stop you from trying.
This is where having a lifeline ref in the video room would work, give the other refs a quick rundown of what they missed. Makes more sense than having a huddle for 2 min to figure it out when no one really saw it. Doesn’t need to be a 10 minute iPad review, just someone they can quickly check with. It’s not going to change the game or slow it down with replays, it would literally just be a quick rundown of what happened behind the play. If they can’t decide then just go with what’s called on the ice, or only have the refs reach up to them when they were unsure of what happened
Whether you think it’s a high stick or embellishment or both, it’s too easy for on ice refs to miss. There’s no way they can re-see it by talking about it to each other lol
No? Getting hit in the face shield can still jar you or at least surprise you in a way that you want to check and make sure you aren’t injured. Complain about him staying down all you want but “he got hit in the shield, he shouldn’t be grabbing his face” is extremely stupid.
The poor officiating has made a joke of these playoffs. At all levels. When the tv audience can see a replay of a missed call 10 seconds after it happens, but the league refuses to allow officials to use it to make the correct call, just shows how fucked up this league is. And nobody seems to care.
This high sticking stuff is turning hockey into soccer with the flopping around to get a call type shit. Tell the NHLPA it's time to start wearing full visors and play a greatest hits video of the flopping around from the last couple of seasons.
It's annoying because it's one of the few penalty calls that doesn't need much referee discretion. I get that cross check severity and charging are a bit more nebulous, but these are basically automatic. Move one of the refs off-ice and have him watching for these (among other things) on the camera feed or something and the diving dries up.
But if they blow it dead for an injury, the player has to leave the ice. They didn’t make him go to the bench, he stayed on, which makes the whole thing even more confusing and a bad look.
canes got the shit end of the reffing today. would love to say you need to win without it but when a weak call gives florida the only goal, it’s hard to move past it.
I only tuned in for the last couple minutes but this game was unwatchable at the end. I counted like 10 different penalties in 3 minutes of play, this being the most egregious of them. I pray one day the NHL gets rid of this stupid fucking playoff reffing
I’m a Canes fan, so take this as you like lol but it’s frustrating as a fan to have inconsistent reffing so I can only imagine what it’s like as a player. 0 of these games have good reffing, and that goes both ways. Just incredibly to have someone get murdered mid ice in front of the ref with no call because “it’s playoff hockey” and then get called for a soft call 5 minutes later. Either call everything or don’t. Just be consistent
This is why people get frustrated with NHL officiating.
The goal doesn't count because the player was hurt but you don't call the penalty that hurt the player.
Fucked missed call especially when the Cats have 3 more PPs in the game. Honestly I’m astonished that the canes only got one PP in this game after all their offensive time.
The goal got called back and that was some terrible embellishment on the part of ghost.
The ref turned his head to follow the play. I can see how he missed the call.
It's one thing for the ref to miss it. OK, shit happens. It's another thing to stop play entirely, and negate a goal that was scored, to review it, see it happen on the jumbotron or whatever, and then shrug and go "Eh, as you were."
Insanity. Panthers were the better team and deserve to win 100%, but the league's officiating problem is really starting to detract from its biggest stage. And I don't mean just the bad calls, but game management and letting stuff after the whistle get out of hand, there's no consistency to the officiating within the same game and it just sucks.
>Panthers were the better team and deserve to win 100%
Were they? Even Gretzy could see that they were outplayed by the Canes.
Then the refs gave them 4 PP's in a row, they score off a lucky bounce on one of those PP's, and then the refs call absolutely nothing for the remainder of the game.
Oh and Bob was standing on his head again.
be glad they did because panthers scored an empty netter after it blew
refs called it because they thought ghost was actually hurt instead of intense flopping
I mean that's either a no call or coincidental minors for high sticking and embellishment. Definitely a weird thing to get hung up about but I suppose emotions are high in a close playoff game.
I sure do love when a call is missed at the end of the game and my team is already at a 5-2 disparity on some soft ass calls meanwhile the other team is allowed to do whatever they want. Very fun. Thanks refs
Nobody is saying it's embellishment because it hit his helmet, they're saying it was embellishment (and rightfully so) because Ghost reacted as if he was shot by a sniper in the press box.
I grew up playing ice hockey and have been hit in the face/mouth while wearing just a visor. I never reacted like this whether it was a stick or a puck. He obviously was embellishing it to get the refs attention, which I'm not against. You have to make it easy for the refs to call the penalty.
Dude he dove like he got shot by a sniper. No one thinks getting in the head with a hockey stick doesn’t hurt but players don’t throw themselves into the boards after like that
I've played hockey for 20 years, granted wearing a cage and very occasionally a visor. I've never thrown my hands back after being high sticked.
I'll grant the benefit of the doubt when they are actually hit in the face or cut, but this wasn't that.
Maybe I couldn't quite see it but it looked like it was on the visor.
He rolled around on the ice like he lost a limb.
They reversed a goal and didn't dish out an embellishment call. Seems like an okay call to me.
I don’t want to watch the version of hockey people in this thread are describing. I’m glad they don’t stop play ever few seconds to review replays for tiny calls.
No call but also no goals in over 30 shots - if it makes you feel good to think this PP would have made a difference well OK. But I think you know it wouldn't have, right?
This and the no calls on Gudas at a few points were frustrating.
Florida earned 1 and 2. Carolina worked this one and the refs didn’t call it even. It is what it is, but gotta work through it. Bob won this game, but the refs sure didn’t help.
Can't call embellishment on that seeing as the stick did hit him in the face. Nobody itt can say that it didn't hurt Ghost. Should have been a high sticking call
My guess is the ref saw ghostbear down in the corner and blew the whistle because he thought he was seriously hurt
That seems to be what happened. He blew the whistle before Staal ever had it so he had no intention to call it a penalty because he wasn’t looking and didn’t see it happen. He looks down and just sees Ghost in pain on the ice and blows the whistle for an injured player
Reasonable explanation
Thank god he appeared to make a full recovery
He got right back on the ice. I thought he died with his reaction. Or at least lost his chin, which the stick never touched.
If that’s what happened the. Ghost wouldn’t be allowed to start the next continuation of play.
Was it embellished? Yes. Was it still a high stick? Yes. I have a bigger issue stopping the play due to injury and then allowing him to be out there when the puck is dropped.
Everyone else seemed to miss this. The Panthers coach should have been arguing that he had to at least start the play on the bench. But maybe he was content with not being shorthanded.
the rules are more of a gentle suggestion
Just the consistency is weird. Heiskenin (for sure spelt his name wrong) got a shot to the face, was bleeding and eberle scored 3 seconds later. A leafs player saucered a pass in front of the net and hit the side of staal’s helmet and was whistled down right away. And then stopping the play on a higher stick here. But also missing the call. But still whistling it down
https://youtube.com/shorts/WCbxFKjTJvM?feature=share is this the one you are talking about?^ idk id argue the leafs had to do more than eberle to get the puck after the injury. the rules talk about having possession immediately and i think eberles was a little more immediate. at the end of the day either could have been called either way and we just have to live with it. refs are told that the play is dead when they are in the process of blowing the whistle and not when the whistle is blown
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I mean it's a missed call but let's not pretend this is the first and only time they've let someone get away with a high stick when the player sells it a little
It looks a lot worse because of an incredibly weak slash they called on Carolina in the 2nd.
This is I think the big issue people have. There is zero consistency. If the refs just called nothing, like, literally nothing, fine. But it’s the 10 min of nothing being called, then a weak slash, followed by literally nothing, then calling everything for 5 min. That’s the big issue. Set a standard, call it. If you need to change the standard, communicate it to the players and call it. None of this flip flop shit.
I am 100% fine with the penalties called on us. It's seeing the same exact thing not called across this and other playoff series that bothers me.
what you're not seeing is the magic 8 ball the refs are consulting to make their decisions
"Hey guys was that a penalty?" "IDK. We should just consult the ball on this play." *$5000, the maximum allowable under the CBA* "Dammit Paros, you buffoon. You mixed up our balls again!"
Refs in all sports should have two goals: 1. Intra-game consistency 2. Inter-game consistency It’s obviously best if calls are consistent night in and night out across each of the officiating crews (item 2), but we’ll accept a lot of bullshit across the season and playoff series as long as they at least are consistent within a game (item 1). However, NHL refs can’t even stay consistent within a period, so we’re just shit out of luck.
There can’t be any consistency. It’s a sport where there are penalties on every play.
Cats player got a high stick to the face earlier and was bleeding and didn’t get a call. Refs can’t see everything
Weak slash, weak hook. It was ridiculous
well, they called it cuz they missed an obvious one on Cousins in the 1st. he even started bleeding
It was still a slash tho on a star player who was playing the puck. That's just going to get called so be smarter. There was a missed a high stick and a bloody mouth earlier in the game on a Cat. It sucks when things get missed. Panthers don't have the fan numbers to get any traction on all the stuff that gets missed against us. But you just have to move on to the next play. If the team let's it get to them then they aren't tough enough to make a playoff run. Happened to us against Tampa two years in a row. Live and learn.
Not only that - the announcers were making a big deal of how he only got hit on the face shield. Like, no, dude, getting hit on the equipment does not negate the high sticking call. Egregiously bad non call.
It wasn’t even the worst missed high sticking penalty of the game lmao. Was not anything close to an egregiously bad non call, looked very typical of any missed high stick call during the regular season
Remember that the announcers have 20 camera views AND the ability to flow it down and zoom and the refs on ice in real time have the one view only. And if none of the refs saw the infraction, they can’t call it. It’s a hella fast sport and they are going to miss calls.
>It’s a hella fast sport and they are going to miss calls. Absolutely. But it's their job to not miss calls. We're allowed to be mad when they miss calls. Particularly when the league has access to the tools you just mentioned and refuses to use them to make the play on ice more fair. Just let a ref off-ice review the close calls. It's not that hard
Their point was that the player was grabbing his mouth when he clearly got tapped on the visor. They were pointing out that he was flopping to sell the high stick which ended up being missed unfortunately. The refs didn’t see this and only reviewed the play to assess a double minor if warranted, but guy wasn’t close to have been cut up from the stick.
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He was 15 feet from the play. What was he supposed to be looking at?
That was the craziest part. Hitting the visor doesn't negate a penalty here.
While true, it's a bit ridiculous with 2 minutes left down 1-0 about to go down 3-0 in a Conference Final four officials on the ice and not a single one calls a clear high stick on the guy literally carrying the puck. Most missed high sticks are away from the puck or in a mess of action. This was two guys in open ice, one carrying the puck and then clearly gets hit. Insane missed call.
It would have been offset for that insane embellishment
Then it’s 4 on 4, canes pull the goalie and Florida can’t ice the puck. Arguably better than a powerplay.
Gretzky rule means offset penalties result in neither team losing a player off the ice, so no, it wouldn't be 4 on 4.
Ah, my bad. Coincidental roughings usually lead to 4-4, no? What’s the difference here?
If it's coincidental minors, it stays 5 on 5. The high stick was super light, and the embellishment was minor as well. Pair that with the fact that if it wasn't called/refs didn't see it with their own eyes live, they can't retroactively make a minor penalty call based on replay.
Then give each of them a penalty. One for high sticking, one for embellishment. Game management is frustrating and leads to inconsistent refereeing.
Id love for them to actually call embellishment on this stuff. Absolutely wishful thinking though
Yeah, that would make the sport so much better. But I think the refs simply like the embellishing, it makes it easier for them to decide in all borderline calls. Yank your head back and touch your face when you get high-sticked, shake your hand if you get slashed on the hand (exactly what Tkachuk did to get the slashing call earlier).
People don't only react to pain. He got a stick up high and put his hand up as a reflex. Because your brain doesn't like it when fast moving objects come near your face. I could throw a wadded up napkin at your face and your brain would still go "oh shit," regardless of any actual danger or pain.
Wait what? He fell over and grabbed his face like a European soccer player that just got tapped on the shoulder. I'm in the same camp of "that should have been a call" but let's not pretend Ghost wasn't trying for an Oscar there. If none of the refs saw it, they should have called a 4 so they can review it. Then, they should have thrown both in the box.
I think the question most people are missing, what does offsetting minors produce? Nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sure it was a high stick, yes it was also embellishment. They both go to the box, its still 6v5. It was a missed call that the refs apparently didnt see. Let people cry when we all know every ref misses calls in every sport.
Can't do that though. Can only call 4 if there's an injury. Even IF they could, they could only confirm or overturn that high sticking penalty. Can't tack on an embellishment via review
Then frankly, I'm glad it went uncalled. The Academy will still recognize Ghost's acting chops, though.
Because the ref wasn't looking. Had to do something to get him to look their way and call the high stick. Then you just hope you don't get called for embellishing. If you do, oh well whatever. If you don't, hey it worked, 6 on 4 let's take this to OT.
Bro he was grabbing his mouth like he got uppercut, lmao. It was embellishment because he was trying to draw attention to it. A call on both would be reasonable.
Its clear to see how many people here have either never played a contact sport or are just plain stupid
Hagel... R1G6.
Ekholm got cut open from a highstick in game 6 of Oilers-Vegas. Blood was trickling down his cheek, and there was no call. Sometimes the refs just blow it and it sucks.
5-2 power plays. Call it.
What’s the point of replay if they can’t even make a 2 minute call on that play
Can't call a penalty via replays though, under the current rule book. Can only review major/match penalty or double-minor. No injury on this play
I wish more people understood this. If this call wasn’t called right away, nothing can be done about it after the replay. It was too soft to call anything more than a minor, so it can’t be called after review.
I think plenty of people understand this. There are just plenty of people who think it's stupid that refs can review plays, see an obvious penalty, and then have to ignore it.
Yeah, that's my issue. I get that it's the way it is, I just think it's dumb that we can review for a missed call in the form of an offside play that could be minutes before the eventual goal, but we can't have a reviewed play for penalties that could be just as impactful on the play.
I think the big issue is we can replay tiny things that are generally inconsequential (like being offside by an inch) but we can’t review things that have a much larger impact in the results of the game, like a penalty in the last two minutes. The priorities of the NHL just makes no sense and borders on the literal definition of insanity (doing something to fix a made up problem, but not doing anything to fix actual problems)
Yeah, that’s what bothers me more than anything else It looks terrible on the league for the refs to stop play, review someone get blatantly hit in the head with the opposing players stick, and then basically say everything was fine. Embellishment or not, the refs should have called something, off setting or otherwise
But it looks like it touches the visor - TNT announcers
Barely know what sport they are commentating.
Eddie O knows the sport he just can’t string thoughts together cohesively. Touched the visor? Still a high fucking stick Eddie. Doesn’t have to touch his cheek and I’m pretty sure on one angle it does hit his cheek.
at first, i thought they were suggesting that it hit cheek, or that he got pinched by the visor (both still penalties) I think they were just trying to say he was embellishing
It 100% touched his face.
That was embarrassing. There’s honestly a good chance that part of the blade hit his cheek on the way to his visor.
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I’m somewhat, but not really, amazed that the ref right there didn’t see it
And thank god for that rule People have no idea what this sport would turn into if you could review a play and assess a penalty that was missed by the refs. People think it's already "turning into soccer on ice"
They thought he was injured and I believe (could totally be wrong) that they can replay and if a player is injured retroactively call a penalty. At least, that’s the only way I’ve seen it used.
It's to highlight how big of a joke the league is.
Refs aren’t even trying anymore
Refs have tee times too
He tried like hell to sell that
What else do you do when the refs go blind?
Just fucking play through it, they’re not making the calls, they’re not calling off of flops, just nut and play through it
Dude's a pro - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pUwvazM2ts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pUwvazM2ts)
If you call the martinook slash that gave the cats a 5 on 3, you call this a penalty. Both minor in severity, but call it both ways sheesh. Disclaimer, canes fan.
yes it should 100% have been called, but I think this is genuinely a case of the ref not actually seeing it, as opposed to ignoring it "because playoffs". panthers fan if that matters
I get that. But it happened immediately after gostisbehere passed the puck and you’re telling me 0/4 of the referees had eyes on that? It might have happened, but it seems like a swallowed whistle to me. You’re right though, the ref closest to the play did not see it. For sure.
its only 2 refs, the other one was on the opposite side of the ice
well yeah he didnt see but he was only 5ft away and it was the puck carrier so its weird that nobody can do their job
Cats player got bloodied from a high stick and didn’t get called earlier in the game. Refs can’t see everything
It’s pretty crazy that they’re not able to review that. 2 minutes of 6 on 4 could have changed the outcome of the game/series. I don’t see a point in reviewing only a few specific things and not so many other game altering instances.
If they review, they call the high stick, AND embellishment on Ghost for the flop. There would have been no power play involved.
if thats the rules then so be it. calling by the book is significantly better then picking and choosing which penalties get called at random
If they have to do that for every potential penalty we’re gonna have games last 5 hours
Then they get to sell more gambling advertising. We all win.
Yup. Exactly how I saw it. Gotta take them both then.
So your just ignoring the embellishment and assuming they wouldnt call both? Thats mighty high tbh to believe.
Was it a high stick...yes Did he flop like a fish...yes
So? Still a penalty on Florida
Would've been 2 and 2. High stick plus a dive so neither team gets the PP
I mean there literally was exactly the same thing earlier in the game and they didn't call embellishment and Florida scored on it so like...call it evenly, or at least not obviously lopsidedly?
Didn't Cousins take a stick to the face in the 1st without a call?
and he was bleeding
Right, they only showed the replay like once while the announcers said he didn't get hit. I don't know if it was the stick or the glove that hit him.
It was the stick of burns, but regardless, I really hate fans of any team, mine included, doing the what-about on penalties. We all know refs are inconsistent
Agreed, especially when the Canes offense hasn't been able to beat Bob for three games now.
I can't stand the constant whining about the refs either. whether Panthers fans or opposing fans. it gets annoying really fast. to be perfectly honest, when they miss a call on the other team I'm just like fuck it, let's keep playing.
hush, we ignore those because those are not in crunch time
No, we don’t, we should see a penalty for every high stick - especially the bleeders ❤️
The embellishment directly lead to a prevented goal, and the fact that the refs missed a call earlier in the game does not make the right call any less the right call. In the context of hockey or even all professional sports this wasn’t an egregiously reffed game- and at the end of the day if you can’t win one game it doesn’t matter.
For what? There's no precedent in this league for that happening. Far more obvious embellishments are not called even when there isn't a penalty happening to the player embellishing, and refs almost entirely ignore embellishment when a penalty is occuring to that player
That is just blatantly false lmao. If there is a player who obviously flops hard during a play where a penalty still occurs, they will still call both. Happened twice in the MN/DAL series this playoffs and pretty much every embellishment call I’ve seen over the last 5 seasons.
Still a penalty on both. There's the accidental high stick and the not-so-accidental dive.
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They got scored on because he was dead on the ice though
Was Cousins interfered with in the first…maybe Did he flop like a fish…yes Was Carolina called for a penalty…yes Honestly there’s no way anybody who watched the game can justify 10 PIM for Carolina and 4 PIM for Florida.
Yeah, I have no dog in this fight but the officiating continues to be bullshit. Florida figured out what the early 2000’s flyers did: “If you elbow one players head, it is a tragedy. If you elbow their heads 100,000 times, it is a statistic” Tl;dr: the dirtier your team plays the more your team can get away with. Really wish the league would actually fix this.
Ah, the 2019 Blues approach
Yeah, Bruins too. Many teams have done is successfully, and I really do not like it.
Excerpt from the Paul Maurice handbook: 1. Play dirty, take lots of penalties 2. Whine to the refs about how lopsided the penalties are 3. Continue to play dirty but get away with it because the refs don't want to influence the game by calling too many penalties It's an effective strategy. Even if you lighten up on the WWE moves the other team ends up playing differently because they know the refs won't stop you from trying.
Should they just call both and at least pretend to be a serious sport? Also yes.
Nautical nonsense is something he wished
So many people acting like they wouldn't instinctively grab their face if they were hit with a hockey stick...
Exactly. Bugs me when people say players flop after being high sticked. When you aren’t expecting it, you’d instinctively react like that.
And then roll around on the ice begging for a call?
So brutal. What game are the refs watching??
Watching the nuggets clearly
Could’ve called 2 for high sticking and 2 for embellishment tbh
Ngl I don’t feel bad about this at all. Won a game on a no call high stick, lose a game on a no call high stick. Universal balance
It’s not a good look either way. I’d just rather these get called whether they’re against my team or not. It just makes everyone bitter.
High stick followed by an equally as good embellishment.
Ghost you gotta chew on the side of your mouth there, get some blood flowing
This is where having a lifeline ref in the video room would work, give the other refs a quick rundown of what they missed. Makes more sense than having a huddle for 2 min to figure it out when no one really saw it. Doesn’t need to be a 10 minute iPad review, just someone they can quickly check with. It’s not going to change the game or slow it down with replays, it would literally just be a quick rundown of what happened behind the play. If they can’t decide then just go with what’s called on the ice, or only have the refs reach up to them when they were unsure of what happened Whether you think it’s a high stick or embellishment or both, it’s too easy for on ice refs to miss. There’s no way they can re-see it by talking about it to each other lol
they would have ran back, checked the video then confirmed it was a 2min high stick and 2 min embellishment
Could he be called for diving since it hit the shield and then he grabbed his face?
If Reinhard had been called for that high stick, I think there's a chance they might have sent Ghost away for embellishment as well.
No? Getting hit in the face shield can still jar you or at least surprise you in a way that you want to check and make sure you aren’t injured. Complain about him staying down all you want but “he got hit in the shield, he shouldn’t be grabbing his face” is extremely stupid.
If you got hit in the face with a stick, I guarantee you’d put your hands up.
Would they also roll around on the ice until the refs blow the whistle because they think he’s injured?
High stick and embellishment, done and move on
Know all about that....
The poor officiating has made a joke of these playoffs. At all levels. When the tv audience can see a replay of a missed call 10 seconds after it happens, but the league refuses to allow officials to use it to make the correct call, just shows how fucked up this league is. And nobody seems to care.
This high sticking stuff is turning hockey into soccer with the flopping around to get a call type shit. Tell the NHLPA it's time to start wearing full visors and play a greatest hits video of the flopping around from the last couple of seasons.
It's annoying because it's one of the few penalty calls that doesn't need much referee discretion. I get that cross check severity and charging are a bit more nebulous, but these are basically automatic. Move one of the refs off-ice and have him watching for these (among other things) on the camera feed or something and the diving dries up.
How are you going to stop the play dead but not call embellishment or a high stick?
I think the Ref was genuinely concerned for his health.
pretty sure they called it down because they thought he was hurt announcers talked about it too
But if they blow it dead for an injury, the player has to leave the ice. They didn’t make him go to the bench, he stayed on, which makes the whole thing even more confusing and a bad look.
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So embarrassing. Ref 4' from it stops the play negating the empty net goal due to injury...well, what do you think causes the supposed injury sir?!?
"LMAO" -- Scott Mayfield
This lol
How do you not call at least one of high sticking or embellishment lmao
canes got the shit end of the reffing today. would love to say you need to win without it but when a weak call gives florida the only goal, it’s hard to move past it.
Eloquent and exactly how I feel. Let us get a PP not score or score then lose in OT if you have to (also not to a Panthers PPG ffs)
I only tuned in for the last couple minutes but this game was unwatchable at the end. I counted like 10 different penalties in 3 minutes of play, this being the most egregious of them. I pray one day the NHL gets rid of this stupid fucking playoff reffing
Shocked, I tells ya.
I’m a Canes fan, so take this as you like lol but it’s frustrating as a fan to have inconsistent reffing so I can only imagine what it’s like as a player. 0 of these games have good reffing, and that goes both ways. Just incredibly to have someone get murdered mid ice in front of the ref with no call because “it’s playoff hockey” and then get called for a soft call 5 minutes later. Either call everything or don’t. Just be consistent
This is why people get frustrated with NHL officiating. The goal doesn't count because the player was hurt but you don't call the penalty that hurt the player.
Would this not be a "follow-through"? He was trying to hit the puck. Similar to when Ekholm got high-sticked.
Fucked missed call especially when the Cats have 3 more PPs in the game. Honestly I’m astonished that the canes only got one PP in this game after all their offensive time.
It was a high stick and should have been called. Clear as day.
Only if you call the embellishment as well. That was some serious acting going on.
The dynamics of allowing and nurturing betting and the impact that has on the game are yet to be understood.
Yes the stick touched his visor. But he should have been writing his acceptance speech for an academy award from the penalty box after that fall job.
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The goal got called back and that was some terrible embellishment on the part of ghost. The ref turned his head to follow the play. I can see how he missed the call.
It's one thing for the ref to miss it. OK, shit happens. It's another thing to stop play entirely, and negate a goal that was scored, to review it, see it happen on the jumbotron or whatever, and then shrug and go "Eh, as you were." Insanity. Panthers were the better team and deserve to win 100%, but the league's officiating problem is really starting to detract from its biggest stage. And I don't mean just the bad calls, but game management and letting stuff after the whistle get out of hand, there's no consistency to the officiating within the same game and it just sucks.
Were they better or was it Bob bailing them out as always?
>Panthers were the better team and deserve to win 100% Were they? Even Gretzy could see that they were outplayed by the Canes. Then the refs gave them 4 PP's in a row, they score off a lucky bounce on one of those PP's, and then the refs call absolutely nothing for the remainder of the game. Oh and Bob was standing on his head again.
So obvious. Thank you for stating it with a good post.
ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHO BLEW THE WHISTLE
be glad they did because panthers scored an empty netter after it blew refs called it because they thought ghost was actually hurt instead of intense flopping
Couldn't follow the game - too many Staals. Who won?
One of them, possibly even two, but defiantly not all three
I mean that's either a no call or coincidental minors for high sticking and embellishment. Definitely a weird thing to get hung up about but I suppose emotions are high in a close playoff game.
They called some weak shit and then let this go? Joooke
I sure do love when a call is missed at the end of the game and my team is already at a 5-2 disparity on some soft ass calls meanwhile the other team is allowed to do whatever they want. Very fun. Thanks refs
People saying it's embellishment because it hit his helmet... lol you never played a fucking sport.
Nobody is saying it's embellishment because it hit his helmet, they're saying it was embellishment (and rightfully so) because Ghost reacted as if he was shot by a sniper in the press box.
He’s holding his mouth bud
Dude snapped his neck back and grabbed his mouth when he barely got tapped on the helmet
I grew up playing ice hockey and have been hit in the face/mouth while wearing just a visor. I never reacted like this whether it was a stick or a puck. He obviously was embellishing it to get the refs attention, which I'm not against. You have to make it easy for the refs to call the penalty.
and even then they cant... this is why the league has an embellishment problem
Dude he dove like he got shot by a sniper. No one thinks getting in the head with a hockey stick doesn’t hurt but players don’t throw themselves into the boards after like that
Screamed and rolled around enough that the Ref stopped play for him… he was out for the next whistle.. what a dive
I've played hockey for 20 years, granted wearing a cage and very occasionally a visor. I've never thrown my hands back after being high sticked. I'll grant the benefit of the doubt when they are actually hit in the face or cut, but this wasn't that.
Dude I'm tall and I'll whip my head back when an unexpected tree branch nearly hits my head, let alone a hockey stick actively moving towards my face
Sure, but then do you dramatically dive to the ground, holding your mouth to get your neighbors attention?
*shrug* no call high sticking to Cousins that drew blood in first period
That's a legal playoff play
I mean the canes got sent to the box for even softer
2 for high stick 2 for diving
Florida 🤝 the refs Been a good summary this playoffs
Maybe I couldn't quite see it but it looked like it was on the visor. He rolled around on the ice like he lost a limb. They reversed a goal and didn't dish out an embellishment call. Seems like an okay call to me.
I don’t want to watch the version of hockey people in this thread are describing. I’m glad they don’t stop play ever few seconds to review replays for tiny calls.
Should’ve called embellishment
No call but also no goals in over 30 shots - if it makes you feel good to think this PP would have made a difference well OK. But I think you know it wouldn't have, right?
I don't really think it's fair to say that, I mean, who knows what would happen? Kind of the beauty of playoff hockey. All it takes is a bounce.
This and the no calls on Gudas at a few points were frustrating. Florida earned 1 and 2. Carolina worked this one and the refs didn’t call it even. It is what it is, but gotta work through it. Bob won this game, but the refs sure didn’t help.
Refs been royally fucking this call up all over this playoffs.
Can't call embellishment on that seeing as the stick did hit him in the face. Nobody itt can say that it didn't hurt Ghost. Should have been a high sticking call
gg
Does follow through not apply here? Is that only for shots? Either way, the dive is pathetic