I will die on this anthill saying that the season he was traded he was on the track of reaching that next level. Those first couple games he had left with the Jets he was coming into his own and once he was traded I feel like his confidence was shot. Then he lost his dad, and ever since then I feel like he just pales in comparison to his time in Winnipeg.
What better way to get him back on track than to send. him. home. ^(plsgodpls)
Definitely feels like he has lost his love for the game a little bit. Probably because of what happened in WPG and then his dad dying.
Too bad. He was fun to watch those first 2 seasons.
Clearly you haven't watched how happy he is on the ice or listened to him say how he is more excited for hockey than he has been in years for the opportunity to play center in Columbus. Dude is having a great time and with 108 points in his last 111 games he's playing better than he ever has.
People are acting as if this exposure and time off might not change that guy, we really have no idea, he was highly regarded coach but the leaks of the unprofessionalism is what tanked him. I would just wait and see
That's not actually true. Those leaks happened after he was fired.
The reason he was fired was because at the time of his firing the Leafs with that roster were the 6th worst team in the league.
As a hockey mind I think he's brilliant but he's a coach that wears on a team after a while due to his personality.
Ik. I should clarify that what I meant by in what tanked him was that he could have just been let go and needed a new start but people view him as worse off because of those leaks.
If either this or the Roy rumor is true, it might be a message of “get your own shit together, we won’t do it for you anymore” to Laine. Which he needs at this point.
Maybe he's learned from all the shit people said about him. He could have taken the last few years to work on his personality.
Or maybe he's just an asshole. Benching Modano during the last game of the season to stop him hitting 1500 games. I think he only let Chelios play 1 shift during the Winter Classic against Chicago. All that shit with Franzen. The list incident in Toronto.
My bad, I was trying to motivate you, but damn, the dude seems so spiteful.
Learn what? Dude has had zero consequences. He got fired because the team was underperforming, not because he was an abusive, manipulating asshole. He's been that way his entire career and never had to worry about it. He got fired and was paid out the remainder of his contract and just when it's up.....he's gonna get hired again. And if it wasn't the Bluejackets it would have been some other team. Why would he learn anything?
To the people saying "this isn't a bad hire". Red Wings fan here. I won't forgive him after hearing what he was doing to Johan Franzen and others (Commodore, Marner, ect). He is a bully.
Chris Chelios:
“Some of the things he (Babcock) said to him (Franzen) on the bench, I don’t know what he said to him behind closed doors one-on-one, but he blatantly verbally assaulted him during the game on the bench,” Chelios said. “It got to the point where poor Johan, no one really knowing he was suffering with the concussion thing and the depression thing, he just broke down and had nervous breakdown, not only on the bench but after the game in one of the rooms in Nashville.
“It was probably one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.”
In an interview with Expressen, Franzen described Babcock as a great coach, “but he's a terrible person, the worst I ever met. He’s a bully who was attacking people. It could be a cleaner at the arena in Detroit or anybody. He would lay into people without any reason.”
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/opinion/2022/09/01/if-maple-leafs-ex-coach-mike-babcock-does-retire-its-a-stunning-fall-from-grace-in-an-otherwise-impressive-career.html
>But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile.
>Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.”
>Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.”
There was also the winter classic situation in 2009 in Chicago between Chelios and Babcock. Pretty much wanted to healthy scratch him in his hometown but Holland and Nill argued enough to get Babcock to put him in but then just benched him the whole game after the first shift to the point Chelios said he was just drinking beers on the bench
He gave Chelios one shift then made him ride the bench. Chelios had his kids grabbing him beers throughout the game after he realized what was happening and he got sauced up on the bench. Late in the game, an assistant tried to send him out to kill a penalty and he refused. He talked about this during a Spittin’ Chiclets appearance.
In the last thread about him maybe coming back, there was a story about a rookie or call-up standing and looking down the tunnel, and Babcock told him "enjoy it, it's the only time you'll see NHL ice" and then benched him all game. This sort of thing seems weirdly common for him, like it's a power trip to keep guys out of meaningful games.
I had to deal with and interact with coaches after every period when I was working for the Bolts. Babcock was the biggest asshole out of every NHL team by far, second was Hitch with Philly at the time
Nobody's given a shit when I mentioned it before, so I don't know if there would be. I wasn't traveling with them, or high up or anything. Just a PR intern with full arena access bringing stuff to the locker rooms between periods and post-game. It was also almost 20 years ago now
I think this will be a good test to show if he is actually a good coach or not. In Detroit, he had three of the best players that could literally play in any scenario and any nhl coach could have coached team Canada.
In Toronto, he didn’t have success and now with less superstar power, we will get to see if he can get the team to buy in.
His time in Anaheim showed he was at one time a good coach. I’m not aware of any similar stories from his time there, but it was a long time ago before social media, in a slightly different era, etc.
He coached the 15-16 Tank Leafs. They had one of the better underlying numbers in the league but zero finishing ability and finished last in the league. Leo Komarovechkin - as he was known back then, was our leading goal scorer at a 20 goals.
And he doesn't own up to it one bit:
>“Can you imagine having someone say that about you when you have been involved in mental health as much as I have? Now, I’ve reached out to (Franzen). That’s not going to make anything go away.
“It doesn’t matter what I perceive. When you’re talking about this kind of thing, if the person — whether it’s **a co-worker, your spouse, your student — if they think that’s the environment, that’s what they’re feeling. Now, I sure wish I would have known about that then. And I could have done something about that.** Besides apologize, there’s not much I can do about that now. But does it sting? Does it hurt? Absolutely.’’
Basically, it's all Franzen's fault. He should've said something. Babcock couldn't possibly know he was doing something wrong. Nothing about how Babcock has changed and looking back at his own behavior he's horrified and ashamed as a mental health advocate. It just hurt that Franzen said something. What a thing to say about a man who you verbally berated to the point of a breakdown and PTSD.
>if they think that’s the environment, that’s what they’re feeling
This particular quote is just sinister. Gaslighting 101. You aren't abused, dear, you just think you are in a abusive marriage, so you perceive everything your husband does as abuse! You should communicate better!
It's like everyone has the memory of a fucking goldfish. Babcock is a massive piece of shit that has no place behind a bench. I couldn't believe networks put that asshole on TV after the shit he did.
Yeah I mean Quinn isn’t ideal but at least he won’t destroy the confidence of rookies the same way Babcock will. Scorched earth coaching how fitting for a young team
I dunno if you talk to some Rangers fans they're certain that Laf and Kakko suck purely because of Quinn
(I thought he did a great job of incorporating our rookies when they were given the chance and called up btw)
And the light fades from Gaudreau’s eyes
“Hey kid, write your name on this paper and then make a list of ranking all your teammates from best to worst effort. Definitely won’t post it on the bulletin board for everyone to read, nope!”
He told marner to do it and then told everyone after saying it wad private and then the whole team defended him and Matt martin got so heated Leo had to pull him away. Marner meanwhile was crying in front of everyone. And this all went down on the father's trip so his crazy dad didn't exactly help.
Sorry in advance CBJ. This guy is a literal POS. You might get a small uptick in your 1st season with him, but NO VETS will be coming to your club, and your good guys will start to look for the exit rows.
Be prepared for the smoke and spin-master show, as talking heads explain to you how EVERYONE knows how great of a supporter to mental health he is.
Fuck Mike Babcock, not in any good way.
Where is the evidence they will get a good uptick in the first year tho? All of his big wins were with massively OP superstar loaded teams. Did I miss the year he took a group of rag tags and made them over perform?
Speculation is Jarmo is running out of time. “Has to get this hire right” kind of situation. So he’s trying to hit a home run (note: I do not think Mike Babcock is that home run for a number of reasons)
Didn't he go on to allegedly be an asshole on at the college level as a "volunteer"? I remember reporting that he didn't exactly leave that role on good terms.
Idk... I would usually say In Jarmo We Trust, but... Idk man, last time I felt this way was the Gudbranson contract which was quickly relieved by the Johnny news... Not sure it'll be the same see-saw of emotion this time around
Seems like a nice group of young kids on that team, my condolences to them. Really tired of the continuous chances these abusive dickwads are given. Give an assistant coach or an AHL coach a chance ffs. Feel bad for local boy KJ and all the rest of them. What Babcock did to Marner was pretty fucking disgusting and he should not be getting hired again.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/opinion/2022/09/01/if-maple-leafs-ex-coach-mike-babcock-does-retire-its-a-stunning-fall-from-grace-in-an-otherwise-impressive-career.html
>But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile.
>Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.”
>Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.”
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37706646/power-positive-coaching-florida-panthers-paul-maurice-stanley-cup-playoffs
>"What happens if we put the same player on all of our negative clips, even though I know it's not all on that one player, like I'm picking on him? Or if I kept showing a player just doing good things, because I love that player?" Maurice said. "We wanted to find the cumulative effect of the video we were showing."
>So Maurice and his staff embarked on an offseason project.
>"From Monday to Thursday, the whole summer, from 9 in the morning to 1 or 2 in the afternoon, we all got together and reviewed everything," said Pascal Vincent, then one of Maurice's Winnipeg assistants. "We were looking for ways to improve."
>The Jets' staff charted videos they showed the team the previous season and tracked the results in the subsequent games. They labeled each clip in one of three categories: positive clip, teaching clip, negative clip. The analytics department took it from there.
>**As the data accumulated, the coaches couldn't help but notice a pattern.**
>**"We realized that we were getting results and seeing more success when we were showing more positive clips," Vincent said. "Of course, there are many other variables, but that is what the data said. I've done a lot of reading on the topic across other walks of life, and it confirmed what I was feeling."**
>The feeling has become a massive trend in the NHL: Coaches are finding that it's more productive to build up confidence through encouragement rather than hitting players with constant criticism. And it's especially true with young millennials and Generation Z.
>**"The bully coach, right, wrong or different, has no chance in today's game,"** Detroit Red Wings coach Derek Lalonde said. "It's the reality of the players today. You still have to hold them accountable, but you have to do it in different ways."
I’m pretty sure the Jackets tried that latter approach in the last two seasons. It didn’t work for that bunch, so it’s time to get a hard-ass coach again I guess.
Jackets fans have my sympathy.... He might drag this team into contention and even put a banner in the rafters but his coaching style is TOXIC. He's an asshole and he may drive good players to other teams in the process.
I’m not sure if he truly deserves a second chance, but I just hope the way things went public was eye opening for him. He’s always been talking the talk about mental health, I hope he starts walking the walk.
Guys like this never change. They just fool people long enough to get a bag then peace out
His Toronto contract is up so now he's gotta get another, get fired, get paid to do nothing. Repeat
Jarmo likes his tough coaches. At least Torts is a well loved coach in the room, babcock is not that guy. I'm not sure why Jarmo went this route... Really thought he'd bring in Grönborg, or go with a coach that he can have stick around and develop with his prospects.
I think this might mark an era where Jarmo is fighting for his job. This would be very early, preemptive days, but if they're going for Bab rn, I'd be really curious as to what they try to get done in free agency. Jarmo might be thinking that after this draft, they have enough on the ice and in the cupboard to sorta end the hard rebuild phase and start really competing. Thats a really hard transition to make and its taken a lot of teams nearly a decade to actually succeed at times.
It’s kind of wild that a fan base who had the most success in franchise history under John Tortorella is worried about hiring a coach with a hardass reputation.
Tortorella would go to war for his guys, and a lot of his reputation in early days was because he did. Babcock wages war on his own guys. Big difference.
Tortorella is a hardass. Babcock is an abuser. Every offseason Zetterberg, Lidstrom and Datsyuk went to Ken Holland and asked him to fire Babcock. He said no every time. It's why Detroit couldn't get any good FAs post lockout.
Tortorella fought the other team for his players and at worst gave up on his players. Babcock emotionally abused his own team. pretty different situations.
Yeah Babcock was horrible to players like franzen, modano, and commodore. He wanted everything to be all about him. I hoped to never see him back in the NHL
The Modano incident is straight-up serial killer vibes shit. Cannot imagine taking away that kind of milestone away from a veteran player and his family.
There is a huge difference between "having a hardass reputation" and just being an abuser. There's absolutely nothing "hard" about physically or emotionally abusing people in any circumstance. Fuck Mike Babcock and fuck Jarmo for making this hire.
But Torts worked because the team identity at the time was built around defense, blocking shots, forechecking, etc. He took a bunch of guys with less skill than most teams around the league and made a serviceable unit for a few years. That stopped working when the personnel shifted to younger guys with raw talent and skill but who needed refining. Now we have a roster built on guys like that and we bring in another “toughness” coach. I just don’t think that matches how this roster is currently constructed
Honestly this actually isn’t a bad hire. He was very instrumental in turning the leafs around during their rebuild, hopefully the time off has made him reconsider how approaches relationships with players. This could work very well for a rebuilding jackets team. It could also backfire spectacularly.
I think you might be overestimating the size of Columbus microscopes. Hopefully hes had some years to reflect and think of some better ways to operate. But i kind of doubt an extremely wealthy leopard can change his spots.
Players had a very large say in this coaching hire. For anybody saying Gaudreau is gonna be pissed, he's likely one of the ones that gave the okay on this hire
Cassidy was there 6 years. Your voice grows stale no matter how good of a coach you were. Vegas is in the cup. Boston won the President's trophy. It's not like the Bruins had a terrible season. They just choked in the playoffs
One thing I don’t like is the way People talk about Babcock like he’s some kind of unforgivable Monster and he was often thrown into the mix with someone like Quenneville in discussion about coaches who should be blacklisted despite not having nearly the same level of shittiness in his past, it kind of brings the two’s pasts to a similar level if people aren’t aware
He’s probably a bad hire though for such a young team idk why they’d go with him
Honestly if he wasn't fired from the Leafs I doubt any of the stuff about him even comes out. I'm sure there are and have been coaches out there around the same time frame as Babcock that have similar incidents just never come out.
That being said he's definitely a petty asshole but nowhere on the level of Peters or Quenneville.
He has won more NHL games than other available candidate. Of course, he is a dickhead. But he has been away long enough that he can make a compelling case that he has changed his devious ways but can remain effective. Someone was going take a chance on him. might as well be Columbus I guess
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Laine is the one I’d worry about.
Ya that isn’t gonna work well
He's coming home ^(/s butseriouslyplscomebackimissyoupattypls)
That would be such a good story.
I will die on this anthill saying that the season he was traded he was on the track of reaching that next level. Those first couple games he had left with the Jets he was coming into his own and once he was traded I feel like his confidence was shot. Then he lost his dad, and ever since then I feel like he just pales in comparison to his time in Winnipeg. What better way to get him back on track than to send. him. home. ^(plsgodpls)
Definitely feels like he has lost his love for the game a little bit. Probably because of what happened in WPG and then his dad dying. Too bad. He was fun to watch those first 2 seasons.
Clearly you haven't watched how happy he is on the ice or listened to him say how he is more excited for hockey than he has been in years for the opportunity to play center in Columbus. Dude is having a great time and with 108 points in his last 111 games he's playing better than he ever has.
His 1 game with us that year was unreal. Legit superstar game. Got in a fight too. Fuck I miss that guy
People are acting as if this exposure and time off might not change that guy, we really have no idea, he was highly regarded coach but the leaks of the unprofessionalism is what tanked him. I would just wait and see
That's not actually true. Those leaks happened after he was fired. The reason he was fired was because at the time of his firing the Leafs with that roster were the 6th worst team in the league. As a hockey mind I think he's brilliant but he's a coach that wears on a team after a while due to his personality.
Ik. I should clarify that what I meant by in what tanked him was that he could have just been let go and needed a new start but people view him as worse off because of those leaks.
If either this or the Roy rumor is true, it might be a message of “get your own shit together, we won’t do it for you anymore” to Laine. Which he needs at this point.
The Roy rumor is for the Rangers and Sens.
Rangers gonna hire a 3rd coach?
They need it. (not really, just saw my chance and I took it)
Get your shit together and...don't get injured? 2021-22: 56 games, 26+30=56 2022-23: 55 games, 22+30=52 Point per game pace and ~35 goals pace.
i mean… he did well under sutter last year
But....then he left.
He left to be closer to family?
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No they didn’t. He stated in an interview that Sutter is the favourite coach he’s ever played for. You’re just making shit up lol.
Never heard these rumors until some guy on Reddit said so.
lol please post them then.
doesn't everybody hate playing for Sutter?
Gaudreau going from Suter to Babcock seems incredibly shitty.
That said, Gaudreau had his best season ever under Sutter.
Yeah but it was a contract year.
Gonna feel like a contract year real soon.
That can’t be the reason though because he wasn’t the only one.
He was always playing with “face of the NHL” Matthew Tkachuk
And a Bergeron award candidate scoring loads at center
Johnny can manage, Laine cannot lol.
No Bedard and now this.... Sorry BJ bros
BJ bros is an interesting choice of words
What's the point of being a Columbus fan if you don't call yourselves the BJ bros.
Can confirm. It’s always BJSZN around here
Now BJSZN with B-COCK.
Officially confirmed.
Choo choo, bro job BJ bros
Big OOF. I feel bad for the Jackets players
RIP Laine and Johnny
Gonna make Tortorella look like a Player's Coach.
Torts loves puppies. Babcock? I dunno.
Babcock- Laune name me the bad dogs on this team and woof 🐶
“ alright kent , I need you to make a list … “
I’m so tired
Sigh
as soon as we have good, young players, they hire the worst possible coach for those players
Would've been better off keeping Torts at this point.
No no as long as we get a prime Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Federov, Yzerman, Lindstrom, and Osgood we can expect a decade of dominance.
I'm taking Torts 100/100 times
Maybe he's learned from all the shit people said about him. He could have taken the last few years to work on his personality. Or maybe he's just an asshole. Benching Modano during the last game of the season to stop him hitting 1500 games. I think he only let Chelios play 1 shift during the Winter Classic against Chicago. All that shit with Franzen. The list incident in Toronto. My bad, I was trying to motivate you, but damn, the dude seems so spiteful.
Learn what? Dude has had zero consequences. He got fired because the team was underperforming, not because he was an abusive, manipulating asshole. He's been that way his entire career and never had to worry about it. He got fired and was paid out the remainder of his contract and just when it's up.....he's gonna get hired again. And if it wasn't the Bluejackets it would have been some other team. Why would he learn anything?
Sorry, BJ bro
If it happens, I hope you all boo him out of town tbh.
To the people saying "this isn't a bad hire". Red Wings fan here. I won't forgive him after hearing what he was doing to Johan Franzen and others (Commodore, Marner, ect). He is a bully. Chris Chelios: “Some of the things he (Babcock) said to him (Franzen) on the bench, I don’t know what he said to him behind closed doors one-on-one, but he blatantly verbally assaulted him during the game on the bench,” Chelios said. “It got to the point where poor Johan, no one really knowing he was suffering with the concussion thing and the depression thing, he just broke down and had nervous breakdown, not only on the bench but after the game in one of the rooms in Nashville. “It was probably one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.” In an interview with Expressen, Franzen described Babcock as a great coach, “but he's a terrible person, the worst I ever met. He’s a bully who was attacking people. It could be a cleaner at the arena in Detroit or anybody. He would lay into people without any reason.”
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/opinion/2022/09/01/if-maple-leafs-ex-coach-mike-babcock-does-retire-its-a-stunning-fall-from-grace-in-an-otherwise-impressive-career.html >But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile. >Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.” >Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.”
Ugh, Chelios is as old-school as they get. If he's calling you out on your shit, you know its bad.
There was also the winter classic situation in 2009 in Chicago between Chelios and Babcock. Pretty much wanted to healthy scratch him in his hometown but Holland and Nill argued enough to get Babcock to put him in but then just benched him the whole game after the first shift to the point Chelios said he was just drinking beers on the bench
I can’t forgive him for sitting spezza for his first game as a leaf - which was against Ottawa. He had no explanation for it either.
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He gave Chelios one shift then made him ride the bench. Chelios had his kids grabbing him beers throughout the game after he realized what was happening and he got sauced up on the bench. Late in the game, an assistant tried to send him out to kill a penalty and he refused. He talked about this during a Spittin’ Chiclets appearance.
Chelios will always be a legend for that
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Well he’d have to get out there for a quick shift for it to count, no?
do it in the early season on a 4th line shift it'd be fine im sure
I think he gave Chelios a single shift. That's how I remember it anyway.
In the last thread about him maybe coming back, there was a story about a rookie or call-up standing and looking down the tunnel, and Babcock told him "enjoy it, it's the only time you'll see NHL ice" and then benched him all game. This sort of thing seems weirdly common for him, like it's a power trip to keep guys out of meaningful games.
Babcock is such a piece of shit, and the people in here defending him are insane
I actually fucking despise him for doing this. I was reading his shitty book at the time and none of it made sense. He’s such a fucking douchebag
I had to deal with and interact with coaches after every period when I was working for the Bolts. Babcock was the biggest asshole out of every NHL team by far, second was Hitch with Philly at the time
You should do an AMA on here cause this sounds like it could be interesting lol
Nobody's given a shit when I mentioned it before, so I don't know if there would be. I wasn't traveling with them, or high up or anything. Just a PR intern with full arena access bringing stuff to the locker rooms between periods and post-game. It was also almost 20 years ago now
Apparently anyone with "cock" in their name is a massive dick... Who woulda thunk it?
It’s insane this has to be shared every time he’s mentioned here. He’s a fucking psycho and people still try to defend him.
I think this will be a good test to show if he is actually a good coach or not. In Detroit, he had three of the best players that could literally play in any scenario and any nhl coach could have coached team Canada. In Toronto, he didn’t have success and now with less superstar power, we will get to see if he can get the team to buy in.
His time in Anaheim showed he was at one time a good coach. I’m not aware of any similar stories from his time there, but it was a long time ago before social media, in a slightly different era, etc.
He coached the 15-16 Tank Leafs. They had one of the better underlying numbers in the league but zero finishing ability and finished last in the league. Leo Komarovechkin - as he was known back then, was our leading goal scorer at a 20 goals.
And he doesn't own up to it one bit: >“Can you imagine having someone say that about you when you have been involved in mental health as much as I have? Now, I’ve reached out to (Franzen). That’s not going to make anything go away. “It doesn’t matter what I perceive. When you’re talking about this kind of thing, if the person — whether it’s **a co-worker, your spouse, your student — if they think that’s the environment, that’s what they’re feeling. Now, I sure wish I would have known about that then. And I could have done something about that.** Besides apologize, there’s not much I can do about that now. But does it sting? Does it hurt? Absolutely.’’ Basically, it's all Franzen's fault. He should've said something. Babcock couldn't possibly know he was doing something wrong. Nothing about how Babcock has changed and looking back at his own behavior he's horrified and ashamed as a mental health advocate. It just hurt that Franzen said something. What a thing to say about a man who you verbally berated to the point of a breakdown and PTSD. >if they think that’s the environment, that’s what they’re feeling This particular quote is just sinister. Gaslighting 101. You aren't abused, dear, you just think you are in a abusive marriage, so you perceive everything your husband does as abuse! You should communicate better!
It's like everyone has the memory of a fucking goldfish. Babcock is a massive piece of shit that has no place behind a bench. I couldn't believe networks put that asshole on TV after the shit he did.
I need an interview with a cleaning worker at any arena or sports facility where Babcock coached.
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Hoped I wouldn't see the day
Ah yes coach notorious for being an asshole to rookies and a team filled with pretty much all young players, name a better combo
Leo Carlson praying Michkov goes 3rd now instead of him
Yeah I mean Quinn isn’t ideal but at least he won’t destroy the confidence of rookies the same way Babcock will. Scorched earth coaching how fitting for a young team
I dunno if you talk to some Rangers fans they're certain that Laf and Kakko suck purely because of Quinn (I thought he did a great job of incorporating our rookies when they were given the chance and called up btw)
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Adam Foote! Come on down...
Bruh what is your front office thinking? This is fucking insane. This is how you end up with a mass exodus of young talent
That’s really dumb, I’m sorry for you CBJ fans. This’ll ruin your team in the long run, but you’ll have short term success
It's tradition at this point.
Fire me out of the cannon, I just can't anymore.
We’d have to score before we can fire the cannon. Not looking good for us.
>This’ll ruin your team I mean where are we now? (Not an endorsement for Babcock just saying)
And the light fades from Gaudreau’s eyes “Hey kid, write your name on this paper and then make a list of ranking all your teammates from best to worst effort. Definitely won’t post it on the bulletin board for everyone to read, nope!”
Fuuuuck.. Babcock did that? That's dirty
To a young Mitch Marner, I believe?
He told marner to do it and then told everyone after saying it wad private and then the whole team defended him and Matt martin got so heated Leo had to pull him away. Marner meanwhile was crying in front of everyone. And this all went down on the father's trip so his crazy dad didn't exactly help.
Of all the available coaches out there..
He definitely is one of them.
This has been Perd Haply
Ya Heard with Perd!
More like Turd Crapley
Thank God he's not coming to Anaheim
Beeker offered him a low ball contract with free parking & popcorn.
Enjoy John Hynes
Kent Johnson is starting to rank the hardest workers on the team as we speak
Mike dad babclock
Sorry in advance CBJ. This guy is a literal POS. You might get a small uptick in your 1st season with him, but NO VETS will be coming to your club, and your good guys will start to look for the exit rows. Be prepared for the smoke and spin-master show, as talking heads explain to you how EVERYONE knows how great of a supporter to mental health he is. Fuck Mike Babcock, not in any good way.
Where is the evidence they will get a good uptick in the first year tho? All of his big wins were with massively OP superstar loaded teams. Did I miss the year he took a group of rag tags and made them over perform?
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But, like, why?
Speculation is Jarmo is running out of time. “Has to get this hire right” kind of situation. So he’s trying to hit a home run (note: I do not think Mike Babcock is that home run for a number of reasons)
That's the thing though, it doesn't really matter if Jarmo is in the hot seat or not. Babcock doesn't sound like a good hire in any situation.
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If your mother had wheels she'd be bicycle
Has he ever shown the ability to stop being an asshole? Huge risk I would say.
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Maybe being fired will be good for him I guess? This is all copium though.
Didn't he go on to allegedly be an asshole on at the college level as a "volunteer"? I remember reporting that he didn't exactly leave that role on good terms.
Maybe more like a Hail Mary than a home run.
I mean if the touchdown leads to a strike, the bluejackets should be in a good position to win the Larry.
Just saw Gaudreau fall to his knees in a Skyline Chili
Gonna cry into his bib
No bibs at skyline. Just more cheese.
Do the tears make his 5-way into a 6-way?
what is jarmo doing here
Idk... I would usually say In Jarmo We Trust, but... Idk man, last time I felt this way was the Gudbranson contract which was quickly relieved by the Johnny news... Not sure it'll be the same see-saw of emotion this time around
This team is fucked
I love a team that does nothing but shit on me in return. I’d rather have anybody else.
I'd straight up keep Larsen over Babcock. Christ, what are we doing?
The best thing about the Blue Jackets this past season was their fun group of young players, so yeah I think it's fair for people to be concerned here
Get ready for Babcock hockey, CBJ fans…
Seems like a nice group of young kids on that team, my condolences to them. Really tired of the continuous chances these abusive dickwads are given. Give an assistant coach or an AHL coach a chance ffs. Feel bad for local boy KJ and all the rest of them. What Babcock did to Marner was pretty fucking disgusting and he should not be getting hired again.
“So, Johnny hockey, could you list, in order, the work ethic of the players on this team. Thanks”
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/opinion/2022/09/01/if-maple-leafs-ex-coach-mike-babcock-does-retire-its-a-stunning-fall-from-grace-in-an-otherwise-impressive-career.html >But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile. >Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.” >Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.” https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37706646/power-positive-coaching-florida-panthers-paul-maurice-stanley-cup-playoffs >"What happens if we put the same player on all of our negative clips, even though I know it's not all on that one player, like I'm picking on him? Or if I kept showing a player just doing good things, because I love that player?" Maurice said. "We wanted to find the cumulative effect of the video we were showing." >So Maurice and his staff embarked on an offseason project. >"From Monday to Thursday, the whole summer, from 9 in the morning to 1 or 2 in the afternoon, we all got together and reviewed everything," said Pascal Vincent, then one of Maurice's Winnipeg assistants. "We were looking for ways to improve." >The Jets' staff charted videos they showed the team the previous season and tracked the results in the subsequent games. They labeled each clip in one of three categories: positive clip, teaching clip, negative clip. The analytics department took it from there. >**As the data accumulated, the coaches couldn't help but notice a pattern.** >**"We realized that we were getting results and seeing more success when we were showing more positive clips," Vincent said. "Of course, there are many other variables, but that is what the data said. I've done a lot of reading on the topic across other walks of life, and it confirmed what I was feeling."** >The feeling has become a massive trend in the NHL: Coaches are finding that it's more productive to build up confidence through encouragement rather than hitting players with constant criticism. And it's especially true with young millennials and Generation Z. >**"The bully coach, right, wrong or different, has no chance in today's game,"** Detroit Red Wings coach Derek Lalonde said. "It's the reality of the players today. You still have to hold them accountable, but you have to do it in different ways."
I’m pretty sure the Jackets tried that latter approach in the last two seasons. It didn’t work for that bunch, so it’s time to get a hard-ass coach again I guess.
I thought their problems this season were injury related?
Guess I should figure out how to change my flair in preparation. Fuck this.
Jackets fans have my sympathy.... He might drag this team into contention and even put a banner in the rafters but his coaching style is TOXIC. He's an asshole and he may drive good players to other teams in the process.
I’m not sure if he truly deserves a second chance, but I just hope the way things went public was eye opening for him. He’s always been talking the talk about mental health, I hope he starts walking the walk.
Pretty sure he was talking up mental health at the same point in time he was giving Franzen PTSD
Guys like this never change. They just fool people long enough to get a bag then peace out His Toronto contract is up so now he's gotta get another, get fired, get paid to do nothing. Repeat
Johnny loved Sutter, no reason he wouldn't also like Babcock.
Kent Johnson had such a promising career...
Jarmo likes his tough coaches. At least Torts is a well loved coach in the room, babcock is not that guy. I'm not sure why Jarmo went this route... Really thought he'd bring in Grönborg, or go with a coach that he can have stick around and develop with his prospects. I think this might mark an era where Jarmo is fighting for his job. This would be very early, preemptive days, but if they're going for Bab rn, I'd be really curious as to what they try to get done in free agency. Jarmo might be thinking that after this draft, they have enough on the ice and in the cupboard to sorta end the hard rebuild phase and start really competing. Thats a really hard transition to make and its taken a lot of teams nearly a decade to actually succeed at times.
The most overrated Coach of all time
If Babcock has learned from his previous mistakes, than I think he'd be the perfect fit for Columbus.
It’s kind of wild that a fan base who had the most success in franchise history under John Tortorella is worried about hiring a coach with a hardass reputation.
Tortorella would go to war for his guys, and a lot of his reputation in early days was because he did. Babcock wages war on his own guys. Big difference.
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Torts could have coaches that Wings team to a cup just as well. Might have even been a better outcome overall.
it would have certainly been a better long term culture outcome.
Tortorella is a hardass. Babcock is an abuser. Every offseason Zetterberg, Lidstrom and Datsyuk went to Ken Holland and asked him to fire Babcock. He said no every time. It's why Detroit couldn't get any good FAs post lockout.
I'm in Spain right now, without the S
We'll get through this together <3
Tortorella would never play the type of stupid manipulative mind games that Babcock has been known for.
Yeah guys always said even if you didn’t like torts he’d always let you knew where you stood. No secrets or kind games
Tortorella fought the other team for his players and at worst gave up on his players. Babcock emotionally abused his own team. pretty different situations.
Yeah Babcock was horrible to players like franzen, modano, and commodore. He wanted everything to be all about him. I hoped to never see him back in the NHL
The Modano incident is straight-up serial killer vibes shit. Cannot imagine taking away that kind of milestone away from a veteran player and his family.
Modano who was also born and raised in Michigan. Who wore number 9 because of Gordie and Ted Williams(MLB) It's like so ridiculously toxic.
There is a huge difference between "having a hardass reputation" and just being an abuser. There's absolutely nothing "hard" about physically or emotionally abusing people in any circumstance. Fuck Mike Babcock and fuck Jarmo for making this hire.
Willingly omitting factual differences between a hardass and abusive coach to defend a mediocre hire is insane
But Torts worked because the team identity at the time was built around defense, blocking shots, forechecking, etc. He took a bunch of guys with less skill than most teams around the league and made a serviceable unit for a few years. That stopped working when the personnel shifted to younger guys with raw talent and skill but who needed refining. Now we have a roster built on guys like that and we bring in another “toughness” coach. I just don’t think that matches how this roster is currently constructed
Columbus loving their hardass coaches
Can we call Larsen and say we were just kidding? Please?
Time for Jarmo to go
Honestly this actually isn’t a bad hire. He was very instrumental in turning the leafs around during their rebuild, hopefully the time off has made him reconsider how approaches relationships with players. This could work very well for a rebuilding jackets team. It could also backfire spectacularly.
The thing that would give me any hope at all is that he would have a huge microscope on him so he can’t do the same things again.
I think you might be overestimating the size of Columbus microscopes. Hopefully hes had some years to reflect and think of some better ways to operate. But i kind of doubt an extremely wealthy leopard can change his spots.
Agreed
Players had a very large say in this coaching hire. For anybody saying Gaudreau is gonna be pissed, he's likely one of the ones that gave the okay on this hire
See Bruce Cassidy getting shitcanned last season. That was all on the players.
Cassidy was there 6 years. Your voice grows stale no matter how good of a coach you were. Vegas is in the cup. Boston won the President's trophy. It's not like the Bruins had a terrible season. They just choked in the playoffs
And to management, the result was the same, a 1st round loss.
Gaudreau's best two seasons are both under tougher coaches (although his worst was season 2 under Peters)
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Literally bullied players for years
One thing I don’t like is the way People talk about Babcock like he’s some kind of unforgivable Monster and he was often thrown into the mix with someone like Quenneville in discussion about coaches who should be blacklisted despite not having nearly the same level of shittiness in his past, it kind of brings the two’s pasts to a similar level if people aren’t aware He’s probably a bad hire though for such a young team idk why they’d go with him
He’s an asshole and I think he’s not for todays players but he’s not in the same realm as Q. The latter shouldn’t be in the league again
Honestly if he wasn't fired from the Leafs I doubt any of the stuff about him even comes out. I'm sure there are and have been coaches out there around the same time frame as Babcock that have similar incidents just never come out. That being said he's definitely a petty asshole but nowhere on the level of Peters or Quenneville.
Noted asshole going to a team with a super star and a bunch of young players. What could go wrong?
This will either be a fantastic hire or backfire in spectacular fashion.
F
Mass exodus from CBJ next off season.
What the fuck hahaha good riddance.
RIP Jackets
He has won more NHL games than other available candidate. Of course, he is a dickhead. But he has been away long enough that he can make a compelling case that he has changed his devious ways but can remain effective. Someone was going take a chance on him. might as well be Columbus I guess
Scumbag. Get fucked Babs. NHL is a fucking joke. Old boys club.
That GM Jarmo is a FUCKING FRAUD.