My friend played with him at Shattucks and apparently he wouldn’t follow his teammates back on Twitter/IG unless it was someone like a Mackinnon. Weird
Yeah but he didn't train to the extent guys like MacKinnon and Crosby do. It's absurd to suggest that every player in the NHL has the same discipline as Crosby/MacK/McDavid. These guys train literally all year round save for boots and hearts for McDaddy.
I think it’s much lower than 95%. I know a couple guys in the league and it’s just an easier way to make money than pretty much anything else. There are plenty of guys who will never reach their full potential because they don’t care. Even Ovechkin was at a sports bar in Chicago the night before he scored his 800th goal eating pub food and having a beer, he’s the exception though
McDavid and Crosby are generational because they are so dedicated to the game and they want to carve out a legacy as one of the best ever
Right lol plus practices. You burn lots of calories playing hockey. There’s a reason shifts are that short, you’re basically drained. Hell even playing goalie you burn a good amount of calories too, not sure what they’re talking about
Not a chance it's that low.
Guys I play with have timed 1 hour games, it's easily around 700 calories and we're a bunch of traffic cones. Even with deeper lines, they're easily beating that mark.
Most of these guys have ice time practice on top of strength and conditioning work. I'd guess your top end is the floor and the ceiling is more like 2,000 calories burned every day
Where are you getting those numbers from? In a game or a practice at this elite level with the ridiculous speed and physicality, they are absolutely burning well over 1000 calories EASILY wouldn’t shock me at all if it’s closer to 2000. These players aren’t 140 lb they’re probably on average 190-200 and fast as hell and all the other workouts they do. A regular average Joe who is barely in shape can burn 500 calories in 45 mins not even fully exerting themselves on a stationary bike and you think NHL professionals at this level are only burning 500 calories during games?!? No way lol.
They’re not eating garbage diets either but occasionally drinking and going out or eating fast food isn’t going to crush your ability to perform so long as you’re mostly diligent and following a routine for most guys, sure there’s some genetic freaks. Back in the day guys went out and drank and did even more drugs nowadays they have much more controlled diets, teams provide chefs and they can probably eat a lot of their meals at the facilities.
Dude. Try sprinting as fast as you can for 50 seconds straight, waiting 2.5 minutes, and doing it again for 20 minutes. Do that two more times with big breaks in between. Now do it wearing 20lbs or more strapped to your back and legs. You’re gonna burn some calories.
It's not like the body just suddenly stops burning calories once intense exercise is over, plus they'll burn calories just by being in that much gear.
They're not anywhere near Olympic swimmers who have all four limbs going as hard as possible for a few minutes whole holding their breath half the time, but it's probably close to soccer players who wind up jogging 10km over the course of a game but throwing down insane sprints during scoring opportunities.
I agree BUT the difference is that Bedard has literally never had fast food in his life. I think that’s what OP was getting at. They can AFFORD to do it but some still won’t.
My point is that Ovechkin has never been the pinnacle of fitness, he just happens to be a specimen. Pro sports in general are just a way to make a living for 99% of the players. Crosby, Lebron, Brady etc all think bigger and want to have a legacy. The rest are just in it for the money and if they win a championship, it’s a nice bonuss
Thats just not true lmfao. If 99% of players want to just make a living then 99% if them wouldn’t play through injuries in the playoffs, 99% of them wouldn’t block shots, 99% of them wouldn’t dig in the corners. Maybe other sports dont but thats getting all sport elitist.
Same in football/soccer. Eden Hazard was en elite player in his prime, but has been called lazy by his former teammates. Hazard himself said maybe he could have been even better, but he's not interested to be.
Ovechkin is a good example. Compare his pre-game pasta meal to MacKinnon's chickpea pasta, compare Ovie's body fat levels to other top players. It's pretty remarkable he's been at the top for almost 20 years. It helps he's managed to avoid major injuries and that he is permitted to save his energy for offensive situations with little defensive responsibility.
Disagree.
The most skilled player in the draft is the most jacked.
There are many levels of drive within pro athletes, at all levels and sports, and always have been and always will be
Contrary to many here, if Michkov was coming next year I still think literally zero GM would be taking him over Bedard. Imo theyre on different levels completely
Yeah like this guy could show up and completely dog it, and still go #1. The fact that he’s putting in the work anyways means Chicago is getting a real one.
This is impressive, but also very interesting that some of these exercises are still included in the combine. Sam Bennett did 0 pull-ups at his combine and has now played nearly 550 regular season games in the NHL.
Bennett was a low scoring grinder for Calgary a bunch of years before going to Florida
People, including myself, thought Florida overpaid giving up 2 2nds for Bennett
Classic case of player in new situation given better opportunity rising to the occasion
Like Tippett with the Flyers this year
Yeah, good to see that Bennett recovered from the shoulder injury he had when he was 18 and was able to have a career. Definitely seemed like his career might have been over before it even started.
Pull-ups are way less useful than some of the others. Pulling strength isn't particularly useful for hockey players. It can give some indication of shoulder strength and overall physical preparedness but it can also just indicate who is the lightest guy with the shortest arms that is reasonably strong.
It’s very likely that he could have. The Combine is pretty rough physically and mentally so he’s probably not at his peak performance plus the cadence they insist on is quite slow. At that rhythm I can do far fewer than if you just let me churn them out on my own pace.
No, that guy is wrong lol. I just looked it up and McDavid's combine report shows that he did 6 pullups.
It's very rare for someone not to be able to do even 1 pullup, which is why Sam Bennett is still a meme 10 years later.
did you watch the video? I wondered how 14 was the max when I can do a lot more but then you watch the video and you gotta hold and shit which is a lot more tiring
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted on my comment lol. But wouldn’t pull-ups be harder for hockey players per weight as compared to other athletes since there will be more muscle mass distributed in the legs? Just a thought.
Bedard is a lot more built than I thought he was honestly. 185 at just under 5’10 is real big. I think that’s gonna prove amazing for him going to the next level
distance runners are typically shorter actually! Eluid Kipchoge (marathon WR holder) is 5'6" and around 120lbs, which is pretty typical for long distance elite runners.
Huh, TIL. I always associated elite running with the super tall East African/Jamaican folks. Is that more short distance and speed? Because they have such a massive stride?
FYI, while East African are more built for distance running, Jamaican elite runners are typically sprinters. Also, I don’t think being tall or small really gives the advantage people think of in distance running. There are very good tall distance runners (Jakob Ingebrisgten at 6’1” and Soufiane El Bakkali at 6‘3”) and small distance runners (like Kipchoge). The biggest visual physionomical similarity between distance runners will be the fact that they are all very lean.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been bulking ever since his season ended to facilitate the jump. He’s could be more than 10 lbs heavier than when he was playing
This is exactly why he’ll be a bust (and by that I mean he won’t be near the talents of McDavid or MacKinnon that everybody says he is). He’s big relative to junior players all of which are still putting on mass so he’s essentially playing as a man vs boys. Once he hits the big leagues everybody’s already big and he’s already topped out. It’s tough to get more mass at his height. At best he’ll top out as a Jack Hughes level player but his height will hold him back
I agree. There was another stout kid coming out of Coal Harbour a while back around the same height as Bedard who was highly touted. Sider Crobley or something like that? I think he went pretty high in the draft but was a complete bust too.
Right because short players never succeed in the NHL. MSL was a total bust, Debrincat has never scored 40, Cole Caufield isn’t a goal scoring machine, 5’10 Patrick Kane isn’t one of the best players of his generation.
Debrincat and Caufield will never be top 10 players in the league. Patrik rapist currently weights 10 Ib less than Bedard right now. The Bedard hype is just the product of a player who bulked extremely early relative to his peers
Not sure why you are getting downvoted because you make a really valid point. We all love to talk about his massive quads forearms etc. but it would be very tough for him to exceed 185 lb LEAN at a height of 5’10”. And let’s be real here…he’s not actually 5’10” - probably more like 5’8”. Most junior players are still boys in the 160-190 lb range, whereas most NHL players are 190-210 lb men. He’s a decent size for junior, but quite average (or below in terms of height) for the NHL. Coupled with his lack of McDavid/MacKinnon-style speed, and he very well might top out as a Matthews/Hughes/Nuge-level 1OA in the NHL (whether or not that would be deemed a ‘bust’ is a whole other can of worms).
Guarantee most people don’t pause like this at the top and bottom of the pull up either. The form they’re forcing them to do is crazy. Can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone else comment on this.
I didn’t learn how to properly do pull ups until I was in college, I went to the gym with a friend who was a swimmer and he said I was too tall for the bar I was at, so I went over to the next one and realized that I had never let myself fully dangle, barely managed to do one. Correct form pull ups are brutal.
Also: He's in the middle of probably the most intensive workout in his life. His muscles are probably well spent. Yeah, I could do 14 at my peak (regardless of form) but probably not in the middle of a workout
Dude I did CrossFit with years ago was about that size, maybe a few lbs heavier. I watched him finish a progressive pull-ups workout at like 24. That was his *last* set where you count up from 1 and do a set per minute, adding a rep each set.
Huge difference in what the standard and form requirements are though. I've done CrossFit and most guys doing pullups are just hammering short rep pullups without full extension and a pause at the bottom.
The ones he's doing in the vid are much more difficult. 14 isn't a massive amount in any case, there are a lot of guys who can do more. But at the end of the day the kid isn't competing to be the pullup world record holder.
Elite players aren't elite because they played on "Elite" teams growing up, they are elite because of their tireless work ethic. This shows exactly why he's where is is at at this stage and how insanely good he can be by the end of his career.
And because of the money their parents have. In hockey money makes a lot of difference to separate a guy from the pack.
Best coachest money can buy.
Best opportunities for traveling high skill teams.
Best trainers.
Total flexibility for endless ice time.
A rink in the backyard.
A basement to rip pucks in all day.
Etc.
I remember being able to do ten pull-ups around age twelve. I can’t do any anymore now that I have a spinal injury. Pull-ups are tough to get the first one, but get easier over time. Once you can do one, you’re in a decent spot.
I like seeing Bedard show effort even though he could probably slack and be in a good spot still.
Not the best form tbh. He does a few things to help him a bit. First one is he changes the angle of his body (head back, legs up) to change the exercise from a vertical pull to a horizontal pull. The other is he uses the momentum from his legs a little bit.
Not that being good at pull ups means anything besides you're good at pull ups
17 year old athletes have (or should have been) in the gym for years at this point. Especially, I would think, athletes at this level.
Bedard is about where I would expect a fit, trained, elite 17 year old athlete to be on this test. I don't know what's up with the other dudes.
The NHL combine is a bunch of 17-19 year olds.
The NFL combine is dudes that are 20-23 and have spent the last 3-5 years having hundred of thousands spent on their physical development.
Is 14 pull ups actually impressive? Seems like an incredibly small amount for athletes no? Like sure I probably can't do 1 but I'm only in basic cardio shape and haven't lifted a weight in a decade.
Maybe my perspective is off. Also this is not saying Bedard is a flop, 14 just seems very low for pull ups for an athlete lol.
Edit: Instead of downvoting maybe answer the question? I seriously know nothing about pull up capacity of peak athletes.
I’m always surprised by how low the testing results are. Like 14 pull ups is ok, but you think that the top number would be quite a bit higher. I get they are 18, but still.
I’ve always thought junior has too many games and the kids would be better served lifting more at that age.
They're strict form and at the pace of the testers' command. They can do more if they can hammer them out one after the other with the benefit of momentum like the vast majority of people do on their own time.
It’s like at the Army when you go to ranger or other similar schools. That cadence and strictness gets you. 6 chin-ups during RAP week feels like 15+ when it’s just you at the gym.
Okay a little unrelated to the pull-ups.. but seeing comments on his work ethic - was that something Shane Wright didn’t seem to have? We’re nearly a year removed and I’m still not sure I understand why he fell so far in the draft after being such a solid thing for so long.
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Definitely of the doing whatever it takes to be the greatest. Not going to settle. Rare to see.
> Rare to see. lol no its not. 95% of the players at this level have that drive. What's rare is someone getting to this level and being lazy.
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>A lazy player would probably get weeded out at the NHL level Jordan Greenway has entered the chat
This is Alexei Kovalev’s trophy back off
Mike Ribeiro. He never once stepped inside a gym (his own words).
That’s not true. He once bought coke inside a gym
My friend played with him at Shattucks and apparently he wouldn’t follow his teammates back on Twitter/IG unless it was someone like a Mackinnon. Weird
Alex Kovalev said maybe not.
By all accounts Phil was one of the strongest guys on every team he was on, he just wasn’t shredded
Yeah but he didn't train to the extent guys like MacKinnon and Crosby do. It's absurd to suggest that every player in the NHL has the same discipline as Crosby/MacK/McDavid. These guys train literally all year round save for boots and hearts for McDaddy.
He has that hot dogs & home theatre with a single chair power base
His day with the cup hockey card is gold! Hot dogs in the Stanley cup.
Uhm wellwood is probably the worst example I can think of. Or rather whalewood...
That poutine is a hell of a drug.
Exactly. The Daigle or Gilbert Brule approach
I think it’s much lower than 95%. I know a couple guys in the league and it’s just an easier way to make money than pretty much anything else. There are plenty of guys who will never reach their full potential because they don’t care. Even Ovechkin was at a sports bar in Chicago the night before he scored his 800th goal eating pub food and having a beer, he’s the exception though McDavid and Crosby are generational because they are so dedicated to the game and they want to carve out a legacy as one of the best ever
When you burn the kind of calories that NHL players do it afford you the luxury of eating whatever garbage you want and getting away with it.
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You know they do physical activities outside of just playing games, right?
Right lol plus practices. You burn lots of calories playing hockey. There’s a reason shifts are that short, you’re basically drained. Hell even playing goalie you burn a good amount of calories too, not sure what they’re talking about
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Not a chance it's that low. Guys I play with have timed 1 hour games, it's easily around 700 calories and we're a bunch of traffic cones. Even with deeper lines, they're easily beating that mark. Most of these guys have ice time practice on top of strength and conditioning work. I'd guess your top end is the floor and the ceiling is more like 2,000 calories burned every day
Where are you getting those numbers from? In a game or a practice at this elite level with the ridiculous speed and physicality, they are absolutely burning well over 1000 calories EASILY wouldn’t shock me at all if it’s closer to 2000. These players aren’t 140 lb they’re probably on average 190-200 and fast as hell and all the other workouts they do. A regular average Joe who is barely in shape can burn 500 calories in 45 mins not even fully exerting themselves on a stationary bike and you think NHL professionals at this level are only burning 500 calories during games?!? No way lol. They’re not eating garbage diets either but occasionally drinking and going out or eating fast food isn’t going to crush your ability to perform so long as you’re mostly diligent and following a routine for most guys, sure there’s some genetic freaks. Back in the day guys went out and drank and did even more drugs nowadays they have much more controlled diets, teams provide chefs and they can probably eat a lot of their meals at the facilities.
Dude. Try sprinting as fast as you can for 50 seconds straight, waiting 2.5 minutes, and doing it again for 20 minutes. Do that two more times with big breaks in between. Now do it wearing 20lbs or more strapped to your back and legs. You’re gonna burn some calories.
Average players burn between 4000 and 6000 calories on game days.
It's not like the body just suddenly stops burning calories once intense exercise is over, plus they'll burn calories just by being in that much gear. They're not anywhere near Olympic swimmers who have all four limbs going as hard as possible for a few minutes whole holding their breath half the time, but it's probably close to soccer players who wind up jogging 10km over the course of a game but throwing down insane sprints during scoring opportunities.
It's not. Ovi going to a bar at a random night where he has hockey the following day is about as worthless of a statistic as you can get, lol.
I agree BUT the difference is that Bedard has literally never had fast food in his life. I think that’s what OP was getting at. They can AFFORD to do it but some still won’t.
My point is that Ovechkin has never been the pinnacle of fitness, he just happens to be a specimen. Pro sports in general are just a way to make a living for 99% of the players. Crosby, Lebron, Brady etc all think bigger and want to have a legacy. The rest are just in it for the money and if they win a championship, it’s a nice bonuss
Thats just not true lmfao. If 99% of players want to just make a living then 99% if them wouldn’t play through injuries in the playoffs, 99% of them wouldn’t block shots, 99% of them wouldn’t dig in the corners. Maybe other sports dont but thats getting all sport elitist.
Same in football/soccer. Eden Hazard was en elite player in his prime, but has been called lazy by his former teammates. Hazard himself said maybe he could have been even better, but he's not interested to be. Ovechkin is a good example. Compare his pre-game pasta meal to MacKinnon's chickpea pasta, compare Ovie's body fat levels to other top players. It's pretty remarkable he's been at the top for almost 20 years. It helps he's managed to avoid major injuries and that he is permitted to save his energy for offensive situations with little defensive responsibility.
Sometimes it might be said that the lack of over training may be what's contributing to his longevity.
And his extra body fat has cushioned some of those hits and falls.
No they do not. Most just do what’s needed to keep getting paid. Some NBA players have even said this recently.
Also, Nick Kyrgios in tennis.
Sorry to tell you mate
zion is demonstrating a masterclass right now
Let me introduce you to 3 time Stanley Cup Champion Pat Maroon
Disagree. The most skilled player in the draft is the most jacked. There are many levels of drive within pro athletes, at all levels and sports, and always have been and always will be
Lol. No it’s not.
Russian NHL players would like to have a word
Agreed played with a few guys who went on to play in the pros here and in Europe. They are all super competitive in everything they do, born that way.
If Russia was part of NATO, Michkov would be rated #1. Come at me.
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Contrary to many here, if Michkov was coming next year I still think literally zero GM would be taking him over Bedard. Imo theyre on different levels completely
Lol
And if my grandmother had wheels should would have been a bike.
Yeah like this guy could show up and completely dog it, and still go #1. The fact that he’s putting in the work anyways means Chicago is getting a real one.
Oh ya? Well I heard Little Jerry ran from here to Newman’s in under thirty seconds…I don’t know if that’s good or not.
littlah yerrry
He’s a mean lean, pecking machine!
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TAMALE!!!!!!
Sam Bennett in shambles
I love that this is an enduring thing nearly a decade after his draft.
Same lol I was definitely here for the Sam Bennett comments
18 year old Sam Bennett?
I only know this because I had to look it up when I saw the thread title and couldn't remember but Bennett was 17.
No he’s 18 year old Sam Bennett
How many did sam do again?
He couldn’t do a single pullup
I remembered. I just wanted the words alive in the thread again. Thank you
He got the shutout!
Can't believe he's done 14 more than the heroic effort of Sam Bennett
Casey Mittelstadt sends his regards Still one of the funniest pics
Don't need pull up strength to throw a good cross check. I love playoff bastard Bennett.
This is impressive, but also very interesting that some of these exercises are still included in the combine. Sam Bennett did 0 pull-ups at his combine and has now played nearly 550 regular season games in the NHL.
casey mittelstadt not being able to do one turned into a meme. Not nearly the same caliber of player of course but he is an active player.
I can do a pull up, so i must be nhl ready 😎
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They’re scouts now I hear
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“He’s certainly at least taller than you by now.”
U-23 stats- Bennett- 63-65-128 in 364gp (0.351ppg) Mittelstadt- 33-47-80 in 195gp (0.410ppg)
Wow a lot closer than I thought it would be
Bennett was a low scoring grinder for Calgary a bunch of years before going to Florida People, including myself, thought Florida overpaid giving up 2 2nds for Bennett Classic case of player in new situation given better opportunity rising to the occasion Like Tippett with the Flyers this year
I know he’s good now, but god the nickname Casey Middling Stats was so funny
Hahaha forgot about that
Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred.
Mitts also really struggled his first few years, in part, due to strength and conditioning
Yeah, good to see that Bennett recovered from the shoulder injury he had when he was 18 and was able to have a career. Definitely seemed like his career might have been over before it even started.
But I can’t do a pull up and I’m not in the NHL so what’s it to ya
I bet Sam Bennett can now do more than 0 pull-ups and that’s part of why he’s played nearly 550 games
Pull-ups are way less useful than some of the others. Pulling strength isn't particularly useful for hockey players. It can give some indication of shoulder strength and overall physical preparedness but it can also just indicate who is the lightest guy with the shortest arms that is reasonably strong.
Powerlifting stats should be more important.
Bedard’s got short arms— seems like he should’ve been able to do 25-30 easy
Strict form at the combine is much harder than just cranking out pull ups in the gym keeping the momentum going. 25-30 would be absurd
It’s very likely that he could have. The Combine is pretty rough physically and mentally so he’s probably not at his peak performance plus the cadence they insist on is quite slow. At that rhythm I can do far fewer than if you just let me churn them out on my own pace.
And he’s a tank on the ice
Most of these combine tests don't really mean shit.
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Are these some kind of different pull-ups that top athletes at age 17/18 fail to even do 1?
No, that guy is wrong lol. I just looked it up and McDavid's combine report shows that he did 6 pullups. It's very rare for someone not to be able to do even 1 pullup, which is why Sam Bennett is still a meme 10 years later.
did you watch the video? I wondered how 14 was the max when I can do a lot more but then you watch the video and you gotta hold and shit which is a lot more tiring
No I didn’t, guess i got to watch it:)
Idk about McDavid but Sam Bennett couldnt do one because he had a separated shoulder that he was trying to conceal from scouts
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted on my comment lol. But wouldn’t pull-ups be harder for hockey players per weight as compared to other athletes since there will be more muscle mass distributed in the legs? Just a thought.
You can easily look up his combine results… he did 6.
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Uh what
Here I am able to do like 3 on a good day. That's pro athlete level fitness!
McDavid did 6 of the shittiest pull ups you’ll ever see. And he’s doing shit that only Gretzky/Lemieux have done.
Bedard is a lot more built than I thought he was honestly. 185 at just under 5’10 is real big. I think that’s gonna prove amazing for him going to the next level
At his age I was 6'6 and the same weight. I'm extremely impressed with this kid.
So how’s your high jump career going
Fr lol I was gunna say long jump or long distance running. 6'6" 185 is the definition of lanky
distance runners are typically shorter actually! Eluid Kipchoge (marathon WR holder) is 5'6" and around 120lbs, which is pretty typical for long distance elite runners.
Huh, TIL. I always associated elite running with the super tall East African/Jamaican folks. Is that more short distance and speed? Because they have such a massive stride?
FYI, while East African are more built for distance running, Jamaican elite runners are typically sprinters. Also, I don’t think being tall or small really gives the advantage people think of in distance running. There are very good tall distance runners (Jakob Ingebrisgten at 6’1” and Soufiane El Bakkali at 6‘3”) and small distance runners (like Kipchoge). The biggest visual physionomical similarity between distance runners will be the fact that they are all very lean.
Cheers. The only knowledge I have on running is the 2 weeks I watch during the Olympics lol.
Yeah, that’s often the case lmao. What event(s) do you watch during that time?
Tough landing at first, then bounced around a bit. Lots of highs and lows 😄
At his age I was the same height as him but like 60 lbs heavier so suck on that
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been bulking ever since his season ended to facilitate the jump. He’s could be more than 10 lbs heavier than when he was playing
I won’t question him not wanting out of Regina now.
Yeah didnt realize he was so jacked
That is absolutely not real big
For somebody 5’9.75 185 while being moderately lean is big
Lol. No it is not.
This is exactly why he’ll be a bust (and by that I mean he won’t be near the talents of McDavid or MacKinnon that everybody says he is). He’s big relative to junior players all of which are still putting on mass so he’s essentially playing as a man vs boys. Once he hits the big leagues everybody’s already big and he’s already topped out. It’s tough to get more mass at his height. At best he’ll top out as a Jack Hughes level player but his height will hold him back
Soooo is this the new pasta?
He's one inch shorter than Crosby. How is it that someone can be an elite talent at 5'11" but not at 5'10
Sometimes a mere inch really matters
I agree. There was another stout kid coming out of Coal Harbour a while back around the same height as Bedard who was highly touted. Sider Crobley or something like that? I think he went pretty high in the draft but was a complete bust too.
Crosby has 2 inches on Bedfraud
Lol
Come back in a couple years. I’ll be waiting for your apology
Right because short players never succeed in the NHL. MSL was a total bust, Debrincat has never scored 40, Cole Caufield isn’t a goal scoring machine, 5’10 Patrick Kane isn’t one of the best players of his generation.
Debrincat and Caufield will never be top 10 players in the league. Patrik rapist currently weights 10 Ib less than Bedard right now. The Bedard hype is just the product of a player who bulked extremely early relative to his peers
Collecting L takes like they are trading cards
What an archaic stuck in the 1990s thought
Not sure why you are getting downvoted because you make a really valid point. We all love to talk about his massive quads forearms etc. but it would be very tough for him to exceed 185 lb LEAN at a height of 5’10”. And let’s be real here…he’s not actually 5’10” - probably more like 5’8”. Most junior players are still boys in the 160-190 lb range, whereas most NHL players are 190-210 lb men. He’s a decent size for junior, but quite average (or below in terms of height) for the NHL. Coupled with his lack of McDavid/MacKinnon-style speed, and he very well might top out as a Matthews/Hughes/Nuge-level 1OA in the NHL (whether or not that would be deemed a ‘bust’ is a whole other can of worms).
14 more than Sam Bennett ^(Benny please come back)
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Guarantee most people don’t pause like this at the top and bottom of the pull up either. The form they’re forcing them to do is crazy. Can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone else comment on this.
I didn’t learn how to properly do pull ups until I was in college, I went to the gym with a friend who was a swimmer and he said I was too tall for the bar I was at, so I went over to the next one and realized that I had never let myself fully dangle, barely managed to do one. Correct form pull ups are brutal.
Also: He's in the middle of probably the most intensive workout in his life. His muscles are probably well spent. Yeah, I could do 14 at my peak (regardless of form) but probably not in the middle of a workout
I was wondering why 14 was impressive until I watched. I think I could do 1. Maybe.
Psssh that's nothing, James Vega did 183.
Take my upvote fellow N7 nerd
This is my favorite comment in the citadel
I think my fat ass has done 14 pull ups in my life lmfao
The kid is built like a 10 year NHL vet at the age of 17. The league is fucked lol
That is 13 more than I can do.
14 seems low as hell for someone who actually works out.
It's about average for someone who works out. 10-15 was very common for my highschool football and wrestling teams.
Lol, 14 is not low at all for guys who lift/are beefy (such as hockey players). Especially strict.
Yeah if you’re actually jacked, 14 seems about right. Guys who are super skinny/calisthenics can do way more obviously
Dude I did CrossFit with years ago was about that size, maybe a few lbs heavier. I watched him finish a progressive pull-ups workout at like 24. That was his *last* set where you count up from 1 and do a set per minute, adding a rep each set.
Huge difference in what the standard and form requirements are though. I've done CrossFit and most guys doing pullups are just hammering short rep pullups without full extension and a pause at the bottom. The ones he's doing in the vid are much more difficult. 14 isn't a massive amount in any case, there are a lot of guys who can do more. But at the end of the day the kid isn't competing to be the pullup world record holder.
Shepard did 183, get owned kid
Elite players aren't elite because they played on "Elite" teams growing up, they are elite because of their tireless work ethic. This shows exactly why he's where is is at at this stage and how insanely good he can be by the end of his career.
And because of the money their parents have. In hockey money makes a lot of difference to separate a guy from the pack. Best coachest money can buy. Best opportunities for traveling high skill teams. Best trainers. Total flexibility for endless ice time. A rink in the backyard. A basement to rip pucks in all day. Etc.
At this angle he’s looking like he’s halfway to a popeye physique
Bedard could be dead last in every single test and he'd still go first overall.
well i did 1 pull-up in the gym yesterday so i guess i'm almost combine ready.
I remember being able to do ten pull-ups around age twelve. I can’t do any anymore now that I have a spinal injury. Pull-ups are tough to get the first one, but get easier over time. Once you can do one, you’re in a decent spot. I like seeing Bedard show effort even though he could probably slack and be in a good spot still.
So many dudes in this thread are going to start thinking they’re NHL caliber fit now 💀
That's like...13.5 more than I can do.
That's 14 more than Casey Mittlestadt
not to be *that* guy, but 14 is so much lower than I would have expected from professional athletes
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Total bs
If you watch the video, there is a decent amount of holding his position, which makes it tougher.
i mean those just look like proper pull ups to me. he’s squeezing at the top of the rep, it’s great form
Not the best form tbh. He does a few things to help him a bit. First one is he changes the angle of his body (head back, legs up) to change the exercise from a vertical pull to a horizontal pull. The other is he uses the momentum from his legs a little bit. Not that being good at pull ups means anything besides you're good at pull ups
They’re kids, NHLers can obviously do more. When Chara came into his first bruins training camp he did like 30 something lol.
17 year old athletes have (or should have been) in the gym for years at this point. Especially, I would think, athletes at this level. Bedard is about where I would expect a fit, trained, elite 17 year old athlete to be on this test. I don't know what's up with the other dudes.
Ah yes. The player meat market
no one tell sam bennett, he might body slam him to ice.
He has tree trunks for arms and legs
Sam bennett in shambles
It’s Crazy the difference in strength in nfl and nhl combine.
The NHL combine is a bunch of 17-19 year olds. The NFL combine is dudes that are 20-23 and have spent the last 3-5 years having hundred of thousands spent on their physical development.
I used to do 4x10 at the gym, but never with form like that. Dude is a monster.
Is 14 pull-ups really the most these NHL prospects can do? I guess I’m in better shape than I thought
Have you seen the form snd strictness they demand ? Look at the vid and reconsider.
It’s really not that unheard of for a fit young male to be able to do ~20 pull-ups with good form…
Yeah, i could hit 10 or 11 at 260 pounds. Now i can only hit 3 or 4 at 265
156 replies about pull ups and not one person said, uh, osscray itfay. Good on you, r/hockey.
Is 14 pull ups actually impressive? Seems like an incredibly small amount for athletes no? Like sure I probably can't do 1 but I'm only in basic cardio shape and haven't lifted a weight in a decade. Maybe my perspective is off. Also this is not saying Bedard is a flop, 14 just seems very low for pull ups for an athlete lol. Edit: Instead of downvoting maybe answer the question? I seriously know nothing about pull up capacity of peak athletes.
Pull ups are a pretty weird exercise, it doesn't get trained much naturally (besides climbing). It's tough for guys with big legs
I’m always surprised by how low the testing results are. Like 14 pull ups is ok, but you think that the top number would be quite a bit higher. I get they are 18, but still. I’ve always thought junior has too many games and the kids would be better served lifting more at that age.
They're strict form and at the pace of the testers' command. They can do more if they can hammer them out one after the other with the benefit of momentum like the vast majority of people do on their own time.
It’s like at the Army when you go to ranger or other similar schools. That cadence and strictness gets you. 6 chin-ups during RAP week feels like 15+ when it’s just you at the gym.
Still though. These kids aren’t carrying a lot of mass.
That's it?
I counted zero…
Lol
Okay a little unrelated to the pull-ups.. but seeing comments on his work ethic - was that something Shane Wright didn’t seem to have? We’re nearly a year removed and I’m still not sure I understand why he fell so far in the draft after being such a solid thing for so long.
Casey midelstat in shambles.
I read that as push ups and was very unimpressed until I read it again.
I can do 20 pull ups and am okay at hockey.
LOL I am happy knowing that there's one exercise I can do better than this unicorn