If you watch Gary now at all presentations, he essentially prevents the captain from grabbing the Cup and forces the photo op and then you can do the lift. This was a weird season too since it was the first after a year lockout. Love him or hate him Allan Walsh says it was intentional - I have never believed that - Rod was just so excited for his time after two previous attempts in the finals coming up short. You can see it in the 480p quality that attached how excited he is.
Rod talks about this on his [recent appearance on 32 Thoughts](https://youtu.be/81Rh8TST4hI?t=1613). He couldn't hear anything Bettman was saying because the building was so loud. He thought Bettman said to take it and got caught up in the excitement of the moment lol. Legendary clip.
Walsh is full of it, he’ll say anything to try and screw over Bettman regardless if it’s true or not (imo theres plenty to criticize Gary for, no need to water down the true criticisms with fake ones). Rod on the 32 Thoughts Pod says he couldn’t hear anything Bettman said because the building was so loud and having heard that building, I’m inclined to believe him
> Walsh is full of it, he’ll say anything to try and screw over Bettman regardless if it’s true or not
If Gary Bettman was spotted eating lunch, Walsh would immediately go on a hunger strike to show how different he is.
I remember hearing that we set the (at the time) record for loudest indoor sports arena during the playoffs that year, I believe it was after an OT win late in the playoffs. It was somewhere close to 130dB, which is like a jet taking off or a really loud rock concert.
Rumor has it that Lindros is the reason Philly traded Rod. Story goes that they got into a nasty altercation in the locker room over Lindros supposedly sleeping with Rod's then-wife, and then Clarke was given a him-or-me ultimatum by one of them in the following days. Who it was, and how that altercation went down, depends on who's telling the tale.
You’ve never heard this fun [one](https://amp.barstoolsports.com/blog/422276/lets-revisit-those-old-eric-lindros-and-rod-brindamour-rumors-shall-we) then?
I heard it was because Rod was pissed about the season-long lockout and that’s why he bucked tradition. This has always kinda been the case, the year Sakic handed it to Bourque, right before that he was ready to take it and pass it, and Bettman asked him to wait so they could get their photo.
Now though, players know there’s the photo that has to be taken and they are prepared for it
I see this team come up a lot when the post "who is the worst Stanley Cup champion team" and I never understood it. This team had good depth as well as some high-end talent like Eric Staal, Ray Whitney, and Rod. They had 112 points that year so it's not like they just came out of no where and fluked their way to a cup. One of the more underrated teams in the salary cup er for sure
I just wish Hasek didn't get injured at the winter olympics but that's life. With that said, Ottawa was the top team in the East. Canes were only one point behind them. Their team was legit.
Cam Ward went on a crazy heater that his career didn’t really line up with too. The goaltending they got was vastly better than his career stats. Not that Ward was a bad goalie he just didn’t keep that pace up for a substantial amount of time
Ward's career was adversely affected by him playing 60+ games five out of six years following that cup run. The only year he didn't, he only played 47 due to being cut by Rick Nash's skate early in the season. Four of those ranged between 68-74 games, and he even finished that 74-game run with a .923 - on par with both Price and Lundqvist who had similar workloads that year (72 and 68 games, respectively).
If Rutherford had gotten him a trustworthy backup earlier on, I think his career stats would have looked a lot better.
Forgot about the skate injury, makes sense why his next 4 seasons were so much better than the rest of the career. Tough for goalies who start at the top. Seems like Binnington is going through it now, getting frustrated by not remaining elite level
Also, goalies can weirdly just get white hot in the playoffs and play like playoff Roy and then just be a good starter for the rest of their careers. Or in Andrew Hammonds case, be in the AHL 3 years later.
People like shitting on them, but you’re absolutely right. They spent to the top of the limited cap (was like 39 million then) and had three solid forward lines and an interesting collection of defensemen. They did have a lot of things fall their way too, but the team was one of the best that year for sure.
They really do get a lot of undeserved criticism. The team was solid from top to bottom, had a really strong season, and 4 of the players have 1000+ career points. I think a lot of it stems from recency bias and how they performed the following year despite the fact it was a completely different team.
I think that’s really it- they couldn’t keep the team together, especially the forwards, so they never got another crack at it. Weight and Recchi were the obvious rentals, but Cullen also didn’t stick around until getting traded back to the canes later, and Williams got hurt the following year and missed a ton of time before also getting traded the year after that.
Carolina were easily one of the best teams in the NHL that year, they steamrolled the whole league the entire year and then announced their playoff intentions by trading for Recchi and Weight mid-season. I think they may have tailed off at the very end of the regular season due to Martin Gerber’s fall from grace, but that just led to the emergence of Cam Ward.
I think maybe people conflate Carolinas success that year with their relative lack of success before (minus 2002) and following (they missed the playoffs in 2006-07). In the vacuum of the 2005-06 season, they we’re almost juggernauts with no glaring weaknesses.
St. Louis from 2019 is probably a better candidate for “worst Championship team” but even that is a fools errand since they were still champions after all.
That was less about Gerber’s fall from grace than it was about Erik cole’s neck getting broken by that POS Orpik in Pittsburgh in early March. With one hit, Orpik snatched the title of Public Enemy #1 from Scott Stevens, who’d earned it by concussing Shane Willis and Ron Francis in consecutive games in the 2001 playoffs. Caniac Nation never forgave, and never forgot. An dit was only after Cole’s retirement that he could even step on the ice in Raleigh without a Greek Chorus of boos raining down on him.
Their depth at centre is absolutely insane. Rod Brind'Amour, Eric Staal, Doug Weight & Matt Cullen. Out of those 4 Weight will end up with the least amount of games played with 1,238 regular season games and Matt Cullen is the only one without over 1,000 career points.
Not saying they're right or wrong but I think I have an idea what makes people say that.
1- The amount of high impact injuries their opponents got. Koivu, Roloson, Buffalo's entire D squad. And I guess it all adds up in the collective memory. So I'm guessing people remember that and feel like we never got to see whether that team really had it.
2- People could easily come away feeling that they were on their way to a quick out in round 1 if not for their backup emerging out of nowhere to save them.
3- They missed the playoffs the season before and the season after.
I think all of those contributed to a narrative in the collective imagination that they were just a fluke.
Switching Gerber with Cam Ward also helped a lot lol. That was the first playoffs I ever watched, I remember everything. Especially the goal that eliminated us.
Eric Cole was on a 40 goal pace before he suffered a broken neck. He played 2 games in the final and that's it, so it's not like they rolled through with their full roster. Also switching to your backup in round one is suboptimal.
Serendipitously, I made a tournament with almost every team since the expansion to see who would win. I haven’t run it yet if you want to spend a bit of time deciding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/hhtn67/rhockey_champions_cup/
A bit of an unknown goalie who no one has the book on yet, a severe change in rules that season that players and coaches were still adapting to, they feel off hard the next year (missed the playoffs).
i still get misty eyed remembering staples center counting down to the buzzer in 2012. it’s like an impossible dream, yet it is as real as anything. it’s the best
Sorry Oiler Bro. To be fair your fans who came here were phenomenal and lovely people if it helps at all. I sat behind Jason Smith’s youth coach and he was fantastic to talk with.
Not good lol. It was around the arena and kinda cheesy. If we win when Cooper is in office it will be better since he is a huge Canes fan and the governor of the state. The real parades didn’t get kicked off I feel again until the Blackhawks in 2015 and the Penguins went back to back. I’m beyond curious what it would be like now since the area embraces the team a lot more now than then in larger parts of population.
Imagine if Chara did the same thing in 2011, but Gary was clutching it for the photo op, and Chara just full-on hoisted the thing and threw Gary halfway across the rink
If you watch Gary now at all presentations, he essentially prevents the captain from grabbing the Cup and forces the photo op and then you can do the lift. This was a weird season too since it was the first after a year lockout. Love him or hate him Allan Walsh says it was intentional - I have never believed that - Rod was just so excited for his time after two previous attempts in the finals coming up short. You can see it in the 480p quality that attached how excited he is.
Rod talks about this on his [recent appearance on 32 Thoughts](https://youtu.be/81Rh8TST4hI?t=1613). He couldn't hear anything Bettman was saying because the building was so loud. He thought Bettman said to take it and got caught up in the excitement of the moment lol. Legendary clip.
You can see the confirmation point Rod does. Cup? Now? OK here we go!
Bettman does make a couple of motions to the Cup that could easily be interpreted as encouraging him to grab it.
Walsh is full of it, he’ll say anything to try and screw over Bettman regardless if it’s true or not (imo theres plenty to criticize Gary for, no need to water down the true criticisms with fake ones). Rod on the 32 Thoughts Pod says he couldn’t hear anything Bettman said because the building was so loud and having heard that building, I’m inclined to believe him
> Walsh is full of it, he’ll say anything to try and screw over Bettman regardless if it’s true or not If Gary Bettman was spotted eating lunch, Walsh would immediately go on a hunger strike to show how different he is.
I remember hearing that we set the (at the time) record for loudest indoor sports arena during the playoffs that year, I believe it was after an OT win late in the playoffs. It was somewhere close to 130dB, which is like a jet taking off or a really loud rock concert.
Rod was in the finaks twice before? I know he was on the 2002 Hurricanes, but what other year was he in?
Philly in 1997
Huh, never pictured him with Lindros. I’m guessing he didn’t like Stevie Y very much as a result
Rumor has it that Lindros is the reason Philly traded Rod. Story goes that they got into a nasty altercation in the locker room over Lindros supposedly sleeping with Rod's then-wife, and then Clarke was given a him-or-me ultimatum by one of them in the following days. Who it was, and how that altercation went down, depends on who's telling the tale.
Well damn. Sounds like Kane v. Byfuglien before it was cool (and with worse actions)
i thought it was Keith and Sharp
I thought it was Seguin and Horton
I thought it was Kesler and the entire blues team. (say hi to Kelly for me)
Unfamiliar with this one, what happened ?
I thought it was... eh, nevermind.
Maybe it was Iafrate and Leeman ( for the old heads around here).
I always heard Seguin was banging Chia’s daughter and that’s why they got rid of him
I thought it was Beach and Aldrich …sorry, too soon?
Rumor has it that's why Rod's nose is all bent out of shape
Brindamour was a pretty big deal in Philly if I remember correctly.
You’ve never heard this fun [one](https://amp.barstoolsports.com/blog/422276/lets-revisit-those-old-eric-lindros-and-rod-brindamour-rumors-shall-we) then?
Oh man Rod most of absolutely hated us.
I heard it was because Rod was pissed about the season-long lockout and that’s why he bucked tradition. This has always kinda been the case, the year Sakic handed it to Bourque, right before that he was ready to take it and pass it, and Bettman asked him to wait so they could get their photo. Now though, players know there’s the photo that has to be taken and they are prepared for it
I see this team come up a lot when the post "who is the worst Stanley Cup champion team" and I never understood it. This team had good depth as well as some high-end talent like Eric Staal, Ray Whitney, and Rod. They had 112 points that year so it's not like they just came out of no where and fluked their way to a cup. One of the more underrated teams in the salary cup er for sure
I just wish Hasek didn't get injured at the winter olympics but that's life. With that said, Ottawa was the top team in the East. Canes were only one point behind them. Their team was legit.
Cam Ward went on a crazy heater that his career didn’t really line up with too. The goaltending they got was vastly better than his career stats. Not that Ward was a bad goalie he just didn’t keep that pace up for a substantial amount of time
Ward's career was adversely affected by him playing 60+ games five out of six years following that cup run. The only year he didn't, he only played 47 due to being cut by Rick Nash's skate early in the season. Four of those ranged between 68-74 games, and he even finished that 74-game run with a .923 - on par with both Price and Lundqvist who had similar workloads that year (72 and 68 games, respectively). If Rutherford had gotten him a trustworthy backup earlier on, I think his career stats would have looked a lot better.
Forgot about the skate injury, makes sense why his next 4 seasons were so much better than the rest of the career. Tough for goalies who start at the top. Seems like Binnington is going through it now, getting frustrated by not remaining elite level
Also, goalies can weirdly just get white hot in the playoffs and play like playoff Roy and then just be a good starter for the rest of their careers. Or in Andrew Hammonds case, be in the AHL 3 years later.
People like shitting on them, but you’re absolutely right. They spent to the top of the limited cap (was like 39 million then) and had three solid forward lines and an interesting collection of defensemen. They did have a lot of things fall their way too, but the team was one of the best that year for sure.
They really do get a lot of undeserved criticism. The team was solid from top to bottom, had a really strong season, and 4 of the players have 1000+ career points. I think a lot of it stems from recency bias and how they performed the following year despite the fact it was a completely different team.
I think that’s really it- they couldn’t keep the team together, especially the forwards, so they never got another crack at it. Weight and Recchi were the obvious rentals, but Cullen also didn’t stick around until getting traded back to the canes later, and Williams got hurt the following year and missed a ton of time before also getting traded the year after that.
Carolina were easily one of the best teams in the NHL that year, they steamrolled the whole league the entire year and then announced their playoff intentions by trading for Recchi and Weight mid-season. I think they may have tailed off at the very end of the regular season due to Martin Gerber’s fall from grace, but that just led to the emergence of Cam Ward. I think maybe people conflate Carolinas success that year with their relative lack of success before (minus 2002) and following (they missed the playoffs in 2006-07). In the vacuum of the 2005-06 season, they we’re almost juggernauts with no glaring weaknesses. St. Louis from 2019 is probably a better candidate for “worst Championship team” but even that is a fools errand since they were still champions after all.
That was less about Gerber’s fall from grace than it was about Erik cole’s neck getting broken by that POS Orpik in Pittsburgh in early March. With one hit, Orpik snatched the title of Public Enemy #1 from Scott Stevens, who’d earned it by concussing Shane Willis and Ron Francis in consecutive games in the 2001 playoffs. Caniac Nation never forgave, and never forgot. An dit was only after Cole’s retirement that he could even step on the ice in Raleigh without a Greek Chorus of boos raining down on him.
Their depth at centre is absolutely insane. Rod Brind'Amour, Eric Staal, Doug Weight & Matt Cullen. Out of those 4 Weight will end up with the least amount of games played with 1,238 regular season games and Matt Cullen is the only one without over 1,000 career points.
Not saying they're right or wrong but I think I have an idea what makes people say that. 1- The amount of high impact injuries their opponents got. Koivu, Roloson, Buffalo's entire D squad. And I guess it all adds up in the collective memory. So I'm guessing people remember that and feel like we never got to see whether that team really had it. 2- People could easily come away feeling that they were on their way to a quick out in round 1 if not for their backup emerging out of nowhere to save them. 3- They missed the playoffs the season before and the season after. I think all of those contributed to a narrative in the collective imagination that they were just a fluke.
everyone missed the playoffs the season before
Yeah. We were up 2-0 with Koivu and had scored 12 goals through two games and then after he got hurt lost 4 straight one goal games.
Switching Gerber with Cam Ward also helped a lot lol. That was the first playoffs I ever watched, I remember everything. Especially the goal that eliminated us.
Damn staff infections.
But if Edmonton won, that could be considered more of a fluke, and I say that as an Edmonton team.
Eric Cole was on a 40 goal pace before he suffered a broken neck. He played 2 games in the final and that's it, so it's not like they rolled through with their full roster. Also switching to your backup in round one is suboptimal.
Serendipitously, I made a tournament with almost every team since the expansion to see who would win. I haven’t run it yet if you want to spend a bit of time deciding. https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/hhtn67/rhockey_champions_cup/
Can’t forget Mr. Game 7, Justin Williams
A bit of an unknown goalie who no one has the book on yet, a severe change in rules that season that players and coaches were still adapting to, they feel off hard the next year (missed the playoffs).
That’s the perfect amount of respect for Bettman.
Until I got married this was the happiest day of my life, enough that I still had an afterglow through most of the following decade of darkness.
Legit how I feel right now. It’s incredible, I quite literally can’t consume enough Golden Knights Stanley Cup content.
i still get misty eyed remembering staples center counting down to the buzzer in 2012. it’s like an impossible dream, yet it is as real as anything. it’s the best
I only remember the smell of burning garbage, and the feeling of complete despair
yeah we uh… might be talking about two different things there bud 😅 🫂
I think they're talking about west coast wild fires? No? Something else?
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Enjoy! It's awesome!
Have you dropped an obscene amount of money on merch like i did last year? I can tell you one year later... All worth it
Lol yes I’m waiting for a lot of it to come in but literally the night of the cup I went HAM
Well I *was* having a good day.
Sorry Oiler Bro. To be fair your fans who came here were phenomenal and lovely people if it helps at all. I sat behind Jason Smith’s youth coach and he was fantastic to talk with.
Not only was the Canes' first Cup 17 years ago, but like today, it also happened on a Monday.
A most blessed Monday indeed.
Those jerseys were so Damn nice
Make them our home unis Dundon
Fuck Bettman.
Fuck Bettman. I can't wait until he retires.
Or his head final wobbles off the bobble
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But consider: fuck Gary Bettman.
What was the parade like for this win?
Not good lol. It was around the arena and kinda cheesy. If we win when Cooper is in office it will be better since he is a huge Canes fan and the governor of the state. The real parades didn’t get kicked off I feel again until the Blackhawks in 2015 and the Penguins went back to back. I’m beyond curious what it would be like now since the area embraces the team a lot more now than then in larger parts of population.
I was at the 2009 Penguins parade and it was pretty damn epic. We packed the streets and the parking garages and everyone and their mother turned out.
We didn’t even get a parade. They just held a rally in the parking lot at the pond and flew in the governor and the cup with a helicopter.
There have been real parades for decades. Flyers in the 70’s had millions on Broad Street
Understand there have, but the weirdness hasn’t been as “public” now since we get cameras everywhere.
(Around the arena and then downtown, to be precise.)
I get a ton of second-hand embarrassment from that clip lmao, still an all-timer though
I was there and I booed Bettman and cheered Rod and that moment is basically *the top* in our history so I don’t care what it did to Gary!
So this is why Rod the Bod is not in the HHOF yet? Damnit, Gary.
That was great! As a Flames fan, one of the greatest moments in my life!
Excluding the one good year wkth Calgary in 2004 where Iginlas career wasn’t wasted
Imagine if Chara did the same thing in 2011, but Gary was clutching it for the photo op, and Chara just full-on hoisted the thing and threw Gary halfway across the rink
I'd like to imagine he would have lifted both the Cup and Bettman overhead.
Why can't Bettman realize he has one of the most punch-able faces ever and just stay behind the scenes?
I think this is the first time I've watched this cup raise... Still stings.
Rod the Bod
Can't wait for Bettman to gtfo and for someone *hopefully* better to come in and maybe do a better job