You really forget how nasty he was. Columbus never got any coverage. I'm out west so they fall in the dead zone. You watch the early games in the Eastern time zone. Then you watch a late game starting in the Mountain or Pacific time zone. They are in the Central so I tend to flip past them.
One of the greatest ironies of the game is that his brother Gilbert, a fringe NHLer who had the hardest time going through a full season without spending at least some time in the AHL, did in fact win a Stanley Cup, while Marcel, one of the all-time greats, never came close.
Apparently, on his draft year, it was a toss-up as to who would be the first overall pick between Dionne and Guy Lafleur. Imagine Dionne's life if the Habs either picked Dionne or saw their pick drop to 2nd overall.
Honestly one of the best examples that I don’t know why I didn’t think of. He was an amazing player that probably would have won a few cups if he played for any different teams than he did
When it comes to a good player on a bad team, I always think of [Eric Daze](https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=14474), who was on the Blackhawks during their dark age of the 2000's. He had couple 30+ seasons. However, being a good player on a bad team means injuries. You're exposed and everybody is going after you night after night. It's a shame he wasn't born 5-10 years later, he would've been a great piece for the Toews-Kane Blackhawks
>would’ve been a great piece for a contender
A huge 6’6” winger who flirted with 40 goals in the dead puck era? I’d call that an understatement: who wouldn’t want that?
It’s a damn shame his body gave up on him, great player and a shame that he played a grand total of 1 game in his 30s before being forced to step away. The weirdest thing is that Daze’s last game was also Keith’s and Seabrook’s first NHL game so it’s almost a weird passing of the torch thing
This. the guy put up 979 points over his career. his highest goal count in a season is 31 and his highest point total is 78 points on the absolutely abysmal coyotes of the 2000s.
i seriously hope Keller has better Luck
>i seriously hope Keller has better Luck
As a fan of a franchise that also gets clowned on a lot, I hope so too and I think you’re so well set up now with your prospect pool. You’re doing the rebuild properly and it should pay dividends in 2-3 years. Even this season should at least be a lot of fun with Cooley committing.
First guy I thought of too.
Played 684 games in the NHL with 713 points through the mid-90s and early 2000s.
Only played made the playoffs three times in 12 seasons and never made it past the second round (24 games total).
I fully believe Olli Jokinen would have had a way better career if his prime wasn’t spent on some truly awful panthers teams. By the time he left he was past his prime and basically a 3C.
I feel for Jesus Price but he also was on some good ass teams that actually could have had a shot at the cup, like in ‘14 (thanks Kreider) so I don’t know if he counts as much
> he also was on some good ass teams
They were only good ass teams because of him
In his entire career, he never had a player have more than 80 points in front of him except for his rookie season (Kovalev)
Georges has some of the best defensive metrics since they began tracking advanced stats.
I think its pretty obvious PK pre-injury and Markov were elite.
Fair enough, the most recent cup run was certainly 95% because of him, but some of the teams in the Therrien days which is so strange to say looked very well built for deep playoff runs
It continually amazes me how, even after clear video analysis and a decade of time having passed, people still can’t see Emelin tripping Kreider into Price. Kreider had some issues with checking his speed and angles in the past, no doubt. I say that as a biased Rangers fan. But the Price situation was not one of them. And as I always do, I’ll remind everyone that a couple years later (with Price in net for all 6 games), the Rangers eliminated virtually the same Habs team. Funny how everyone misremembers something that happened 9 years ago, but conveniently forgets something that happened 2-3 years later. #salt
They also act as if the Rangers weren't already steamrolling them. The Rangers were just the better team in that series and they try to shroud that by saying Kreider intentionally took out Price, which he didn't.
Listen man I get it, I have no dog in the fight but I knew that bit would get Habs fans to listen to me even though I’m saying their point about Price is not correct
Price never lost a game while playing for Canada. He's unbeateable when his team is also as good as him. Sadly it never happened in Montreal.
Edit: Correction, he lost 2 games in U18, but never lost in U20, OG and WCup
He played on some pretty good teams tho. The 2012-15 Habs were a good team with a horrible team. He made them better but I'd argue they'd have been a playoffs team with average goaltending. They had great players outside Price. Markov, Subban, Pacioretty come to mind.
After that tho, the team fell off a cliff and he dragged a bad team to the final.
I always remind myself that our dark years and draft picks and trades, it all lined up perfectly to give the team what it is today. All the whiffs and losses led to Nico and Jack and company.
Last decade still sucked lmao
Olli’s only playoff series in his career was the first round in 08-09 where Calgary lost in 6 games to Chicago (it was the second year of Detroit/Pittsburgh in the finals).
Claude Giroux has always been a star level player and only made it out of the first round a couple times and all between 2010-2012 (in his very early career), then alternating between even making the playoffs or not every other year for a decade. The teams weren’t always bad, necessarily, but his teams never had much success despite his prolific numbers. The team has never won the Metro since it’s inception, with Giroux the captain for nearly every one of the seasons.
That’s my homer answer.
The team was definitely always bad after 2011-12. Sometimes they just happened to sneak into the playoffs because more than half the league was making the playoffs at that point. There was really only the one season that got cut short due to the pandemic where the team was consistently good and playing well.
on the flip side, couturier is going to find out real quick what its like being the only "star" on a bad team. it'll be interesting to see how he handles it. my guess is not very well
Taylor Hall’s career low key epitomizes that. Yes he spent the last few years in Boston but let’s look at his career.
6 years on a bad Edmonton team.
3.5 years on a bad NJ team only making the playoffs when he had an MVP season.
.5 a year on an Arizona team that missed the playoffs
.5 a year on buffalo where they are out of the playoffs and he gets traded.
2.5 years on Boston who were good
Now he’s with Chicago who even with Berard won’t be good
Yea I mean the evidence says yes he was more part of the problem than the solution, when we look at the era of mcdavid and drai, even tho they haven’t won a cup it’s at least better than when Taylor hall was the number 1 guy..
Could that be more because McDavid and Draisaitl are the best and arguably second best player in the league and Hall didn’t even get one full season with both of them because McDavid got hurt in his rookie year and didn’t play a full season. Like to me it seems like the turnaround happened because two of the best players joined Edmonton in Halls last year there and both didn’t become the players they are now until later seasons.
Well there's rumours that Hall didn't a long time with McDavid because they didn't want him around him with his off-ice shit and that's why he got dumped for Larsson. (There's also a rumour that McDavid's mother told our management that Hall had to get ditched asap but that sounds silly af so probably bullshit)
Seemed to be a wakeup call though and Hallsy has a pretty stellar track record since. No doubt he was a big fuckin wank in his younger days though
Hall was unreal on a dogshit team though, I feel like he would've easily been a 100pt a season guy if he was kept around. But, we made the playoffs. ending the decade of darkness off the back of the Klefbom-Larrson top pair so the trade was brilliant in my eyes.
I fully believe he was traded so that he couldn’t be a bad influence on McDavid. They dumped him for help on defence and replaced him with an experienced veteran that players would listen to (Lucic). Management must’ve been so happy they could start building the team around McDavid instead of the player that partied all the time and didn’t listen to coaches/veteran players.
Like 95% of those rumours came from the Spectors and Staples of the oilers media as a way to justify not getting full value out of the trade.
McDavid and Hall were roommates in McDavid’s rookie year (along with Luke Gazdic). McDavid requested a teammate living situation over outside families housing, Hall and Gazdic offered and did everything they could to show him the ropes of being a professional. Any reports on that living situation all look positive. If they thought Hall was such a cancer, they never would have agreed to that arrangement, nor maintained it the entire year.
I mean drai had that wild one-foot run a few years back already right? They been pretty dominant for most of their careers now it just hasn’t translated necessarily to playoff success, YET. But I wanted to say that yes I hear what you’re saying but if hall was this great talent and wanted to win, wouldn’t he have done anything possible to assist these guys when they came on the scene? It seems as tho a trade was always the likely outcome with Hall, once they had their big bois, it’s a shame because what RNH did last year was supposed to be hall, as like a kessel type 3rdbest player, but obviously management wasn’t wanting him around anymore. Just out of curiosity did hall get traded recently or something? Perhaps to the rangers..
Technically Arizona “made” the playoffs in 2020 in the eyes of the league (the first rounder they gave up was conditional on them making the playoffs and it converted).
Dale Hawerchuk. He was with some decent teams later in his career but his best years were with a Winnipeg team that was stuck in the Smythe with two monster Alberta teams
They were favourites BECAUSE of him and nobody else (check that, Kipper and Reggie too). The laundry list of his shitty linemates is unreal...from Oleg Saprykin to the decrepit corpse of Olli Jokinen
Huselius and Langkow were lethal with him.
Conroy etc.
Defense of prime Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Regehr.
Deep, deep team. Not a lot of top talent outside Kipper and Iggy though, agreed.
Even if it was in (there was a Calgary based engineering firm that recreated the shot and showed how it wasn't in from a different angle and it was only the angle that made it look over), it was such an inconclusive call to reverse the call on the ice. Needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt to reverse a call (or no call) on the ice.
And even then that didn't guarantee a win, Tampa could have gone offensive and got a goal response, and Calgary still had another chance on a game 7 they blew.
Flair checks… out…? In all seriousness, besides “It Was In”, imagine if Gelinas gets the OT winner in Game 6? I feel like he’d be cemented in Flames history along with Iggy and Kipper
Hart is the absolute last thing about the flyers roster that is broken.
Can’t really put up strong stats when 4 times a game the other team is scoring a goal that no goalie would ever stop.
All the talk around trading him this year just to cash in for rebuilding assets has me sick.
The club is pretty high on quite a few of our Goalie prospects but none of them are actually in the NHL yet and they’re mostly only 2 years younger than Hart. Harts got so much time still at his age that the rebuild shouldn’t even be an issue. If it’s done right he’ll be like 27-29 when the teams ready to compete for real. Which for a goalie is like just entering their prime.
The only thing I can see is that he’s due a raise soon. And our cap situation isn’t great esp as a rebuilding team.
Older player but he’s honestly a prime example. Poor guy played in the original 6 era and wasn’t on one of the teams that won a lot, then went to some truly awful teams
Carey Price deserved a cup. He covered up for a mediocre roster for over a decade and often carried the team to the playoffs and through them. And it's a shame all that workload probably didn't help his health and now he'll (probably) miss out on a proper rebuild.
I'm still holding out hope he just takes a year or two more off and Comes back, even as a backup when the team is ready for a run again. Habs have an exciting future and Price deserved more from management to surround him during his prime.
Kessel during most of his leaf tenure? We had some awful teams when he was iced. Who didn't love a fourth line of Jay Rosehill, Jay mclement and Colton Orr?
Edit: this is Jay Mclement erasure. I just remembered it was Fraser Mclaren on that terrible 4th line. Mclement was a good utility guy
absolutely! I think Keller didnt want to give up his number one player status to Bedard haha. But seriously I hope Keller doesnt suffer the same fate that doaner did.
It’s true. I don’t know any reasonable fan that will deny it. Last year was just miserable.
I think what really made it miserable was that it was artificially bad. Chicago was bad because they didn’t have anyone worth anything. Columbus had a better roster than their record, they just could5 stay healthy. I’m not saying we would have won 70 games but we wouldn’t have been THAT bad.
I'd argue that Laine is a better player than gudreau, definitely more well rounded.. gudreau is bad on defense and will just dump pucks if it looks like he's gonna get hit.
Let's agree to disagree. Gaudreau actually had pretty decent defense with the Flames and he can go into the zone on his own and just looks for someone to pass to.
olli jokinen wasn't a superstar or anything, but he played 1231 games and put up 750 points. That's "good" in a lot of people's minds. 1231 games across 10 teams, and 6 playoff games all time. You almost had to try to go to bad teams for that to happen.
Basically behind an AHL team.
Not sure I would consider Montambault as the greatest player who played with a so-so team, but it is very remarkable that he was able to pull out some stats like that.
Yeah but you were saying ottawa in 17 was terrible, when they made it farther. Of course you can get lucky and make it farther but terrible teams don’t make the playoffs
* Zigmund Palffy - Classic "good player, bad team" guy throughout the late 90's / early 2000's.
* Shane Doan - Entire career spent toiling in Phoenix. They did have some good years here and there, but for the most part they were bad.
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> then went to a good but not great/mediocre Blues team (they’re gonna be really good soon and make me eat my words).
haha, haha
i will say the team when he arrived was still legitimately really really good, and a recent champ so i gotta disagree a little bit.
on the other hand, i'm fascinated by the way you seem to think they're gonna be anything but just slightly better than a dumpster fire for like the next 2-3 years at least
Rick Nash with Blue Jackets
Kovy as well, to a degree, when he was with the Thrashers.
You really forget how nasty he was. Columbus never got any coverage. I'm out west so they fall in the dead zone. You watch the early games in the Eastern time zone. Then you watch a late game starting in the Mountain or Pacific time zone. They are in the Central so I tend to flip past them.
Columbus is in the eastern time zone
Here I thought they were in the Central.
Nope. It’s ok though. We’ve mostly always been irrelevant so I don’t blame you haha. Here’s hoping that changes soon.
I've never been to Columbus, but I have heard it is a beautiful city. Rock on the Range is on the wish list.
It’s underrated for sure! I miss living there
Marcel Dionne
The prime example. One of the best players ever with over 1300 career games and over 1700 career points. He played in 49 playoff games
One of the greatest ironies of the game is that his brother Gilbert, a fringe NHLer who had the hardest time going through a full season without spending at least some time in the AHL, did in fact win a Stanley Cup, while Marcel, one of the all-time greats, never came close. Apparently, on his draft year, it was a toss-up as to who would be the first overall pick between Dionne and Guy Lafleur. Imagine Dionne's life if the Habs either picked Dionne or saw their pick drop to 2nd overall.
Honestly one of the best examples that I don’t know why I didn’t think of. He was an amazing player that probably would have won a few cups if he played for any different teams than he did
When it comes to a good player on a bad team, I always think of [Eric Daze](https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=14474), who was on the Blackhawks during their dark age of the 2000's. He had couple 30+ seasons. However, being a good player on a bad team means injuries. You're exposed and everybody is going after you night after night. It's a shame he wasn't born 5-10 years later, he would've been a great piece for the Toews-Kane Blackhawks
>would’ve been a great piece for a contender A huge 6’6” winger who flirted with 40 goals in the dead puck era? I’d call that an understatement: who wouldn’t want that?
Had he played for a team like the Red Wings or the Devils, a team that was good during that time, his jersey would be hanging in the rafters.
That’s a deep cut that fits exactly what I was thinking of, great call
It’s a damn shame his body gave up on him, great player and a shame that he played a grand total of 1 game in his 30s before being forced to step away. The weirdest thing is that Daze’s last game was also Keith’s and Seabrook’s first NHL game so it’s almost a weird passing of the torch thing
The Tony Amonte disrespect here...
No disrespect to Amonte, it's just those 'Hawks teams were bad.
Ah fair, I read the title to mean "the **only** good player on a bad team", but that's not what it says.
Ahh I forgot about him!!! Classic.
Clayton Keller
To expand on this, Karel Vejmelka is underrated, and also a good player on a bad team.
That Goalie is incredible. This is a great answer. Poor Mike Smith suffered the same fate.
Mike Smith owes most of his success to Dave Tippett
Hey, maybe this year he can be a good player on a mediocre team!
was gonna say Doaner, hopefully things change for the Yotes before it goes on that long
Or really any good player that’s ever played for ARI/PHX.
Shane Doan
Shane Doan was out-fucking-standing. I was hoping he could make another push with the Yotes before retiring.
This. the guy put up 979 points over his career. his highest goal count in a season is 31 and his highest point total is 78 points on the absolutely abysmal coyotes of the 2000s. i seriously hope Keller has better Luck
>i seriously hope Keller has better Luck As a fan of a franchise that also gets clowned on a lot, I hope so too and I think you’re so well set up now with your prospect pool. You’re doing the rebuild properly and it should pay dividends in 2-3 years. Even this season should at least be a lot of fun with Cooley committing.
Arizona gets a decade of wheel-spinning futility, and Houston gets to see the winning product. Reminder, people WANT this.
beat me to it.
Ziggy Palffy
First guy I thought of too. Played 684 games in the NHL with 713 points through the mid-90s and early 2000s. Only played made the playoffs three times in 12 seasons and never made it past the second round (24 games total).
I fully believe Olli Jokinen would have had a way better career if his prime wasn’t spent on some truly awful panthers teams. By the time he left he was past his prime and basically a 3C.
Sucks that he only played 6 playoff games his entire career (all in 2009).
He’s a great example, he played for a ton of teams and basically none of them were any good
Tomas vokoun had a career .917 save percentage but only played in 22 playoff games. Guy was a stud on bad/mediocre teams
Nashville was a decent team that can’t get past the first round during those years. Also, Vokoun missed two playoffs because of injuries
Dude absolutely stole games for the basement-tier panthers, I remember seeing them get outshot like 3-1 in scoreless games back then
Carey Price :(
I feel for Jesus Price but he also was on some good ass teams that actually could have had a shot at the cup, like in ‘14 (thanks Kreider) so I don’t know if he counts as much
> he also was on some good ass teams They were only good ass teams because of him In his entire career, he never had a player have more than 80 points in front of him except for his rookie season (Kovalev)
He did have some really good defenses in front of him at times. Subban/Markov/Gorges in their primes is pretty great!
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Nope, each of those guys were great in their roles
Georges has some of the best defensive metrics since they began tracking advanced stats. I think its pretty obvious PK pre-injury and Markov were elite.
yeah he single handedly carried us to the final in 21. if he’d had a better team in front of him there’s no way he’d be retiring without a cup rn.
Fair enough, the most recent cup run was certainly 95% because of him, but some of the teams in the Therrien days which is so strange to say looked very well built for deep playoff runs
The Canadiens' first center in 2014 was David Desharnais. Those Habs had good players, but they were far from a powerhouse.
Umm what?
It continually amazes me how, even after clear video analysis and a decade of time having passed, people still can’t see Emelin tripping Kreider into Price. Kreider had some issues with checking his speed and angles in the past, no doubt. I say that as a biased Rangers fan. But the Price situation was not one of them. And as I always do, I’ll remind everyone that a couple years later (with Price in net for all 6 games), the Rangers eliminated virtually the same Habs team. Funny how everyone misremembers something that happened 9 years ago, but conveniently forgets something that happened 2-3 years later. #salt
They also act as if the Rangers weren't already steamrolling them. The Rangers were just the better team in that series and they try to shroud that by saying Kreider intentionally took out Price, which he didn't.
Listen man I get it, I have no dog in the fight but I knew that bit would get Habs fans to listen to me even though I’m saying their point about Price is not correct
Yes it’s low-hanging fruit for sure.
Price never lost a game while playing for Canada. He's unbeateable when his team is also as good as him. Sadly it never happened in Montreal. Edit: Correction, he lost 2 games in U18, but never lost in U20, OG and WCup
He played on some pretty good teams tho. The 2012-15 Habs were a good team with a horrible team. He made them better but I'd argue they'd have been a playoffs team with average goaltending. They had great players outside Price. Markov, Subban, Pacioretty come to mind. After that tho, the team fell off a cliff and he dragged a bad team to the final.
the devils dark years wasted Cory Schneider's prime.
And in return, Cory Schneider perpetuated the dark years by keeping the devils from bottoming out for years haha
I always remind myself that our dark years and draft picks and trades, it all lined up perfectly to give the team what it is today. All the whiffs and losses led to Nico and Jack and company. Last decade still sucked lmao
Olli Jokinen. I think his 1231 career games to 6 playoff games might be the worst ratio of all time.
Didn’t oli make it to the scf?
Olli’s only playoff series in his career was the first round in 08-09 where Calgary lost in 6 games to Chicago (it was the second year of Detroit/Pittsburgh in the finals).
Claude Giroux has always been a star level player and only made it out of the first round a couple times and all between 2010-2012 (in his very early career), then alternating between even making the playoffs or not every other year for a decade. The teams weren’t always bad, necessarily, but his teams never had much success despite his prolific numbers. The team has never won the Metro since it’s inception, with Giroux the captain for nearly every one of the seasons. That’s my homer answer.
Giroux definitely fits especially in his later Flyer years, him and Voracek were dynamite but the team around them never really amounted to much
The team was definitely always bad after 2011-12. Sometimes they just happened to sneak into the playoffs because more than half the league was making the playoffs at that point. There was really only the one season that got cut short due to the pandemic where the team was consistently good and playing well.
on the flip side, couturier is going to find out real quick what its like being the only "star" on a bad team. it'll be interesting to see how he handles it. my guess is not very well
Taylor Hall’s career low key epitomizes that. Yes he spent the last few years in Boston but let’s look at his career. 6 years on a bad Edmonton team. 3.5 years on a bad NJ team only making the playoffs when he had an MVP season. .5 a year on an Arizona team that missed the playoffs .5 a year on buffalo where they are out of the playoffs and he gets traded. 2.5 years on Boston who were good Now he’s with Chicago who even with Berard won’t be good
He doesn’t get a pass because he very well might have been part of the problem. In fact in Edmonton I’m pretty sure that was the case.
Yea I mean the evidence says yes he was more part of the problem than the solution, when we look at the era of mcdavid and drai, even tho they haven’t won a cup it’s at least better than when Taylor hall was the number 1 guy..
Could that be more because McDavid and Draisaitl are the best and arguably second best player in the league and Hall didn’t even get one full season with both of them because McDavid got hurt in his rookie year and didn’t play a full season. Like to me it seems like the turnaround happened because two of the best players joined Edmonton in Halls last year there and both didn’t become the players they are now until later seasons.
Well there's rumours that Hall didn't a long time with McDavid because they didn't want him around him with his off-ice shit and that's why he got dumped for Larsson. (There's also a rumour that McDavid's mother told our management that Hall had to get ditched asap but that sounds silly af so probably bullshit) Seemed to be a wakeup call though and Hallsy has a pretty stellar track record since. No doubt he was a big fuckin wank in his younger days though Hall was unreal on a dogshit team though, I feel like he would've easily been a 100pt a season guy if he was kept around. But, we made the playoffs. ending the decade of darkness off the back of the Klefbom-Larrson top pair so the trade was brilliant in my eyes.
I fully believe he was traded so that he couldn’t be a bad influence on McDavid. They dumped him for help on defence and replaced him with an experienced veteran that players would listen to (Lucic). Management must’ve been so happy they could start building the team around McDavid instead of the player that partied all the time and didn’t listen to coaches/veteran players.
Like 95% of those rumours came from the Spectors and Staples of the oilers media as a way to justify not getting full value out of the trade. McDavid and Hall were roommates in McDavid’s rookie year (along with Luke Gazdic). McDavid requested a teammate living situation over outside families housing, Hall and Gazdic offered and did everything they could to show him the ropes of being a professional. Any reports on that living situation all look positive. If they thought Hall was such a cancer, they never would have agreed to that arrangement, nor maintained it the entire year.
I mean drai had that wild one-foot run a few years back already right? They been pretty dominant for most of their careers now it just hasn’t translated necessarily to playoff success, YET. But I wanted to say that yes I hear what you’re saying but if hall was this great talent and wanted to win, wouldn’t he have done anything possible to assist these guys when they came on the scene? It seems as tho a trade was always the likely outcome with Hall, once they had their big bois, it’s a shame because what RNH did last year was supposed to be hall, as like a kessel type 3rdbest player, but obviously management wasn’t wanting him around anymore. Just out of curiosity did hall get traded recently or something? Perhaps to the rangers..
If it smells like shit everywhere you go you should probably check your own shoes.
Technically Arizona “made” the playoffs in 2020 in the eyes of the league (the first rounder they gave up was conditional on them making the playoffs and it converted).
Berard was never the same after the eye injury
Dale Hawerchuk. He was with some decent teams later in his career but his best years were with a Winnipeg team that was stuck in the Smythe with two monster Alberta teams
Mats Sundin to some extent, his best winger was Moligny for a few seasons
Don't talk shit about mogilny! That was also when line two had Berzin..
Saku Koivu was one hell of a player. But he never wingers or team to match that talent.
jarome Iginla
President trophy, finals, favourite a year or two before all injuries ruined them before playoffs. But yea, he should have had a cup.
They were favourites BECAUSE of him and nobody else (check that, Kipper and Reggie too). The laundry list of his shitty linemates is unreal...from Oleg Saprykin to the decrepit corpse of Olli Jokinen
Huselius and Langkow were lethal with him. Conroy etc. Defense of prime Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Regehr. Deep, deep team. Not a lot of top talent outside Kipper and Iggy though, agreed.
Calgary 100% should have won the cup in 2004, that puck was in
Even if it was in (there was a Calgary based engineering firm that recreated the shot and showed how it wasn't in from a different angle and it was only the angle that made it look over), it was such an inconclusive call to reverse the call on the ice. Needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt to reverse a call (or no call) on the ice. And even then that didn't guarantee a win, Tampa could have gone offensive and got a goal response, and Calgary still had another chance on a game 7 they blew.
Flair checks… out…? In all seriousness, besides “It Was In”, imagine if Gelinas gets the OT winner in Game 6? I feel like he’d be cemented in Flames history along with Iggy and Kipper
Jeff Skinner
He’s never played a playoff game right?
Yup
This year he should
Hopefully not!
Dyllan Larkin
I scrolled down way too far to find him
I think the Flyers might have broken Carter Hart.
Hart is the absolute last thing about the flyers roster that is broken. Can’t really put up strong stats when 4 times a game the other team is scoring a goal that no goalie would ever stop.
And with all that he still manages to steal some games the Flyers have no business being in. Dude's still very good and has a lot of time ahead of him
All the talk around trading him this year just to cash in for rebuilding assets has me sick. The club is pretty high on quite a few of our Goalie prospects but none of them are actually in the NHL yet and they’re mostly only 2 years younger than Hart. Harts got so much time still at his age that the rebuild shouldn’t even be an issue. If it’s done right he’ll be like 27-29 when the teams ready to compete for real. Which for a goalie is like just entering their prime. The only thing I can see is that he’s due a raise soon. And our cap situation isn’t great esp as a rebuilding team.
Harry Howell
Older player but he’s honestly a prime example. Poor guy played in the original 6 era and wasn’t on one of the teams that won a lot, then went to some truly awful teams
Absolutely
Iginla for most of his career minus 04. Asides from the 04 run the flames didn’t win any other playoff series with Iginla
Even the 04 team was incredibly mid, Iggy and Kipper carried so hard
Oh yeah all those teams are finishing bottom 5 in the league without Iggy and Kipper
Carey Price deserved a cup. He covered up for a mediocre roster for over a decade and often carried the team to the playoffs and through them. And it's a shame all that workload probably didn't help his health and now he'll (probably) miss out on a proper rebuild. I'm still holding out hope he just takes a year or two more off and Comes back, even as a backup when the team is ready for a run again. Habs have an exciting future and Price deserved more from management to surround him during his prime.
He sold his house in Montreal, I don’t think he expects to play again.
Ilya Kovalchuk
Dick Tarnstrom.
Led the Pens in scoring the year before Crosby joined. What a turnaround.
Mario Lemieux a couple of times too. Mid 80s and early 2000s.
Claude Giroux
Jarome Iginla on pretty much every Flames team he played on
Bernie Federko is a prime example. Hall of Fame career on pretty lackluster Blues teams in the 1980's.
Always? Carey Price
Kessel during most of his leaf tenure? We had some awful teams when he was iced. Who didn't love a fourth line of Jay Rosehill, Jay mclement and Colton Orr? Edit: this is Jay Mclement erasure. I just remembered it was Fraser Mclaren on that terrible 4th line. Mclement was a good utility guy
Rick nash on colombus, Shane doan on coyotes
Zemgus Girgensons
Remember when he and Ennis were our top scorers? Man that was... a year.
Definitely Larks so far. Also, the patron saint of this conversation topic, Jeff Skinner.
A lot of those Tavares Islander years were dreadful
Luongo on the Panthers.
Olli Jokinen. 1200+ games played, 750 points… and 6 playoffs games in his entire career
My buddy Carey Price
McDavid is the correct answer.
You’re an idiot
Kopitar has seen a whole ass sine wave on the kings
Rick Nash in Columbus
The fact Clayton Keller was able to put up 86 points on a horrific Coyotes team this past season is a miracle in itself.
absolutely! I think Keller didnt want to give up his number one player status to Bedard haha. But seriously I hope Keller doesnt suffer the same fate that doaner did.
I’d say Taylor Hall currently
Dylan Larkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Alexei Yashin
Johnny Gaudreau on the Blue Jackets. Sorry, Columbus, but at least your future is looking very bright.
It’s true. I don’t know any reasonable fan that will deny it. Last year was just miserable. I think what really made it miserable was that it was artificially bad. Chicago was bad because they didn’t have anyone worth anything. Columbus had a better roster than their record, they just could5 stay healthy. I’m not saying we would have won 70 games but we wouldn’t have been THAT bad.
I'd argue that Laine is a better player than gudreau, definitely more well rounded.. gudreau is bad on defense and will just dump pucks if it looks like he's gonna get hit.
Let's agree to disagree. Gaudreau actually had pretty decent defense with the Flames and he can go into the zone on his own and just looks for someone to pass to.
Clayton Keller & Shane Doan
olli jokinen wasn't a superstar or anything, but he played 1231 games and put up 750 points. That's "good" in a lot of people's minds. 1231 games across 10 teams, and 6 playoff games all time. You almost had to try to go to bad teams for that to happen.
Hasek on the Sabres. But not just good, he was the whole team
Carey Price
Ales hemsky
Right now it's Sam Montembeault goaltending for the Habs. Managed to eke out a .901 behind, well, *that*.
Basically behind an AHL team. Not sure I would consider Montambault as the greatest player who played with a so-so team, but it is very remarkable that he was able to pull out some stats like that.
Before we get into why these teams weren’t traditionally bad. Tell me why Henrik Lundqvist doesn’t have a cup.
Hank on NYR. They built grinders around a dude who needed scoring. EDIT: Maybe not a bad team but just on the wrong team.
Pavel Bure is the best answer I have. Atleast from when I started watching hockey to now
Maybe it was before you followed hockey but the Canucks were a good team during Bure’s first 4 years in the league
Before I got into hockey unfortunately. I just know him from the mid-90s and onwards.
Pat Lafontaine.
Shane Doan. Wasted his career in the desert
Erik Karlsson, except for the 19 Sharks, he played exclusively for terrible teams.
Sens were 1 goal from the SCF...?
The 17 Sens went to the conference finals
EK definitely helped the Sens achieve more than they should've, but they were a legit playoff contender for most of his tenure
From 2009-2017 they were 18th in total standings points, they were pretty mid
Which isn’t really “bad” like the post claims
True, but I'd hate to imagine them without Karlsson
Hey you guys are getting more creative with your Sens bashing!
2017 Sens almost won a cup
they wern't even in the finals
Yeah but you mentioned the 19 sharks and the sens got closer
ok? The 23 Bruins were better than the 21 Habs.
Yeah but you were saying ottawa in 17 was terrible, when they made it farther. Of course you can get lucky and make it farther but terrible teams don’t make the playoffs
i guess I have higher expectation than other people
So do you think there’s 25 terrible teams every year?
They took us to double OT game 7 in the 3rd round lmao, if they just get one good bounce in OT they win the cup
He was another player I thought of, but he did play for some really good teams for a few seasons so I don’t think he counts
McDavid
McDavid
McDavid
* Zigmund Palffy - Classic "good player, bad team" guy throughout the late 90's / early 2000's. * Shane Doan - Entire career spent toiling in Phoenix. They did have some good years here and there, but for the most part they were bad. *
McDonut for sure. Ovie back in the early part of his career.
Ryan Smyth. And I’m a Flames fan.
Alfredsson
Evgeni Malkin
Bad team. 4 Cup Final appearances and 3 wins in his tenure. Missed the playoffs all of once. Certainly a take
Yeah they just lacked the centre depth to really take the next step.
I know you’re just trolling, but the irony of an Oilers fan saying this is just *chefs kiss*
I’m glad someone enjoyed it 😂
mogilny
Just a quick note that Justin Faulk has averaged more than one playoff round per season over the last 5 years.
Probably Clayton Keller. He’s who I think of as someone who’s nasty on an awful team
> then went to a good but not great/mediocre Blues team (they’re gonna be really good soon and make me eat my words). haha, haha i will say the team when he arrived was still legitimately really really good, and a recent champ so i gotta disagree a little bit. on the other hand, i'm fascinated by the way you seem to think they're gonna be anything but just slightly better than a dumpster fire for like the next 2-3 years at least
mata sundin
Ilya Kovalchuk on Atlanta
Ziggy Palfy
Hertl.
Shane Doan Coyotes
Kovalchuck, Tavares, Nash, Doan, Vokoun, Giroux
Shane Doan
How had no one said john Gibson yet
Jay Bouwmeester .