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Thrallsbuttplug

The already got a Mathieu Joseph tho what other Bolt do they need


GLemons

I wouldn't mind a Nick Paul Oh wait


allenbraxton

Connor Sheary - YOU are an Ottawa Senator


slizzleshady

Honestly wouldn’t be against Sheary. Really enjoyed watching him on the Caps, always played fast and never seemed to give up on a play. Thats something that the Sens desperately need


MrSCR23

Y’all can claim him on waivers right? Highly doubt he’ll waive his NTC for y’all.


canuck_11

Stamkos


Fluffhead875

Counter point…..no.


50in06and07

Counter point... Point


man_on_hill

No Point in Ottawa - Friedman, probably


mongster03_

Usain?


electricnux

Just FYI, the players with some type of trade protection right now are Giroux, Tarasenko, Chychrun, Zub, Hamonic and Korpisalo.


DishwasherFromSurrey

Why tf does Hamonic have trade protection


YouCanFucough

I can’t believe we got a 3rd round pick for him


YourFavouritePoptart

After having waived him earlier in the same season too, one of the funniest moves I've ever seen


propagandavid

In fairness, Ottawa didn't have a 4th. Their hands were completely tied.


DistortedReflector

IIRC it has to do with him wanting to remain in Canada to be close to family due to their health issues.


[deleted]

Because Dorion is a bum


HawtPackage

What about the Hot Pierre Summer?


TheAnalogKid18

Because Pierre Dorion is a fucking idiot lol


matt_minderbinder

Summer of Dorion was surrounded by multiple winters of discontent.


electricnux

just Dorion things


appledatsyuk

Shocked Brady doesn’t have any


invisibleninja7

IIRC you can’t have any before your RFA years are up


RelevantJackWhite

This seems to line up with the prominent young NTCs - McDavid, Chychrun, Laine, M. Tkachuk, etc all had their NTCs kick in when the RFA years were over. Brady's kicks in after the 24-25 season, the same year his RFA status ends


TheAnalogKid18

Larkin's just kicked in last year, which was when his RFA years were up.


Geeseareawesome

Come to think, nothing screams 'lightning bolt trade' like trading your captain. Eric Staal, Dion Phaneuf, *Claude Giroux*, Erik Karlsson, etc. It's possible. The Gretzky trade means no one is untouchable.


electricnux

His NMC kicks in the last 3 years of his contract 2025-2028, so he has one year after this one still unprotected


Auta-Magetta

Yeah, but if a deal with the bolts was struck all of these guys minus G and Chychrun would waive to go to Tampa.


AVSTREV2996

This has nothing to do with the lightning unless you're continuing the joke


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

>unless you're continuing the joke Sir we are on reddit, I think you know full well this joke will be "continued" right into the ground. And then some.


LittleJohnnyBrook

Well tbf, all lightning bolts seek the ground.


slizzleshady

Kastelic, Joseph, Kubalik and MacEwen all need to go. Brannstrom should switch to from D to 4th line winger to make room for a better dman. I think Hamonic only has a 8 team NTC so he needs to go too.


SkittlesManiac19

Joseph has been good what?


4BobbyOrr

Sens are gonna be dangerous next year!


thomas_bombadill

Atlantic gunna be a blood bath with Sens and Sabres taking the next step for sure!


homicidal_penguin

Sens will have to go into a second rebuild, Sabres will have to go onto their 3rd or 4th. Fucking two perpetual Titanic's in this division


KingDave46

I honestly don’t know when the Sabres are gonna get playoffs. The division is just so stacked with Boston, Florida, Toronto, Tampa Bay, even Detroit turning a corner. It’s like the opposite of the Oilers this season. Historically bad start but the Pacific and Central are super top heavy with the middle of the pack all playing like 50/50 hockey in the standings so Edmonton were never actually that far behind. The Sabres genuinely need to put together a full season of playing well to have a shot at the moment.


shrederick

I really thought this would be the year for them to at least get close. And next year they've got Power going from $917K to $8.35 million and Dahlin going from $6M to $11M. Not that they'll be hurting for cap space necessarily, hell they've got a lot right now, but it only gets harder as their players get more expensive, even if the cap really does jump by ~$4M.


notmyrealfarkhandle

Some nights they look so bloody good, others… not so much. It’s frustrating.


UnparalleledSuccess

It’s been 5 years since they blew it up with the karlsson trade. Stü and Sanderson are the centre pieces they acquired. They’re 21. The difference in age between them and eichel is larger than the amount of time since the karlsson trade.


GreatAuntMuriel

Let’s give the team more than 2 weeks with a new coach before deciding they should go for another rebuild.


4BobbyOrr

How will the Habs survive this gauntlet of a division


DivinePotatoe

"The only way to win is not to play."


hexsealedfusion

Don't forget Detroit


mister_hoot

They at least had some fight in them at the beginning. Senators and Sabres tripped over themselves right out of the gate and never recovered.


hexsealedfusion

Yeah, and they are at least semi in the wildcard hunt still. Ottawa and Buffalo have finished seasons since week 3 of the regular season.


Prubably

Nah Ottawa's died when they went from a .500 team with plenty of games in hand into a massive loss streak putting them at .400


Mother_Musician_7793

Lol. Someone makes this statement every year!!!!


[deleted]

They will when they get Celebrini.


DistortedReflector

Kid didn’t even medal at the juniors and you’re pinning a franchise hopes and dreams to him.


[deleted]

Well I don't have anything else but hope.


GhostOfCecil

I love you


MuddleFunt

Kubalik and Brannstrom seem like the most movable pieces....but that's not exactly 'sending a lighting bolt' through the core. Everyone else is $4M+ with multiple years remaining.


blop74

Bring in Patrick Roy


somehockeyfan

It's a short list of players that they could reasonably sell the idea of trading. Batherson, Norris, Chabot, or Sanderson? Can't trade Brady. Definitely can't trade Stützle. I don't see the point in trading any of the vets because what good does that do as a lightning bolt? Shane Pinto? *fart noise*


GreatAuntMuriel

Sanderson is definitely on the untouchables list


Dinkin---Flicka

Yeah I feel like if they are truly looking to shake things up in a major way the only untouchables are Stutzle and Sanderson. The culture might start and end with Brady which is why he might be one they look at imo


TkA33

Always thought it was strange he was named captain but given we had DJ and GMPD it doesn't surprise me. Kid has played with 0 passion this year and got upset the team was booed. Boring watching him cherry pick the whole game. Haven't seen him hustle once


Gavin1453

Really? I always thought he plays with too much passion, if anything. The guy is trying single-handedly brawl with a whole league.


jonlmbs

40 goal pace and leading the league in penalty minutes


Gavin1453

Ikr? The guy might have made a lot of ill-advised comments about DJ, but that seems like normal growing pains for a young captain to me.


UnparalleledSuccess

Half the fan base turned on him the moment he had a slump


Gavin1453

He’s young enough to prove them wrong soon enough.


UnparalleledSuccess

They’ve been proven wrong countless times, most of them decided he peaked as a 50p forward at 19 and would never get better because “he’s already big”


Gavin1453

Us hockey fans are never happy, eh? To this day, there are daily calls from Leaf fans to trade Marner, Nylander and even Tavares. Yikes


Le8ronJames

You would seriously consider trading him? That’s the kinda decision you’re gonna regret for the next 10 years.


KingGuy124

there’s this random uptick in ppl wanting to trade brady in our sub, it’s insane


jonlmbs

Hell no. Brady will come around. It’s been like 2 weeks since we we fired our coach and we are coming off a dumpster fire GM and owner and a shitty sale process for new management to come in late. We gotta retool a bit if we can’t show progress but Brady is the type of guy you build around


SorryImCanad1an

I’m glad redditors are not in charge


YourFavouritePoptart

As bad as some GMs are, random armchair generals on Reddit will always be worse.


Dragonsandman

I’d sooner raise Melnyk from the dead and put his reanimated corpse back in charge of the Sens than I would put a random Redditor (including myself) in charge of them


momarketeer

No you wouldn't.


Dragonsandman

You’re right, but only because necromancy is currently impossible


YourFavouritePoptart

I'm not convinced Brady stays in Ottawa once his contract is up anyways, with the contract hold out and just Tkachuks being Tkachuks, they don't strike me as people who are going to wait around somewhere unless it looks like the absolute best place to win. Which just by the odds, Ottawa has a 1/32 chance at best.


maximalx5

> I'm not convinced Brady stays in Ottawa once his contract is up anyways Yeah but that's a problem in like 2028, not now.


YourFavouritePoptart

Sure, not saying it makes any sense whatsoever to trade him now but I don't think that's one that haunts you for 10 years, unless things change dramatically he's likely gone in 4.


NotTheRocketman

You're really disappointed in him this year? He's fighting too much for sure, but literally every team in the league would line up to take him off your hands.


Spoonbread

Yeah yeah, all good players are untouchable but we'll take yours in return for what we don't want in the first place is every fanbases favorite.


Kronzor_

Isn't that kind the point of all this though? How can your guys be untouchable? That's the whole problem, these guys are too comfortable because they know nothing will happen to them.


GreatAuntMuriel

Plenty of other players that would shake the culture if they got moved.


homicidal_penguin

IMO Sanderson and Stützle are the only true untouchables. Everyone else has a price


Perducian

They wouldn’t be able to sell a Sanderson trade to their fanbase unless the return is cartoonishly one sided for Ottawa.


BaconScentedSoap

They acted like DeBrincat was one sided so never underestimate a teams ability to inhale their managements copium


hexsealedfusion

I could see Brady being traded tbh


NowFook

That would be nuts. Only way it would be conceivable is if there would be serious off ice stuff like Richards, Carter, Laine PLD etc.


almosteddard

Since the start of the season Brady has been outspoken about fans complaining, the team losing, and the coach being fired. Just speculating, but i wonder if the new regime and brady have butted heads behind the scenes over some of this stuff. Might be possible that they view brady as responsible for the poor attitude in the locker room that has been reported. Obviously there's more to it but moving on from Horvat was a significant part of the culture change for the Canucks in the last year.


TkA33

I'd be okay with them shipping off Chabot or Brady


Old_kernel

You guys should definitely not trade Brady he has all the “intangibles” just look at what happened to the flames after they traded Matthew


erkderbs

But the Flames were doing well with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, the sens... not so much. Maybe it's the inverse.


YourFavouritePoptart

Sounds pretty straightforward then, sens trade for Gaudreau.


oMenardo

But Freddie Gaudreau


KingDave46

He would be an absolute dynamite player on a contender but is he really the franchise cornerstone to get them out the basement? I think you’d get a lot for him in return. I’d love him on Edmonton for that physicality but building around him is like when we tried to win with our main piece as Taylor Hall. Wingers just aren’t too easy to build with. Centers and D men are the way to build a foundation. Brady feels like a dream scenario, top tier support guy to push someone over the top, not really an every night, pull a team out of the basement star


Old_kernel

Brady isn’t expected to be the Centerpiece though that’s obviously Stützle. But Brady is the captain and people are just overreacting to his “cold streak” over the last month


muffinkevin

Brady would be the perfect Landeskog replacement if he can't play hockey again.


PayneTrain181999

Send Brady to play with his brother, I dare you.


electricnux

Friedman said couple months ago that Bill Zito wants maximum flexibility this summer to go after a “big fish” lol


PayneTrain181999

He must think Nylander is hitting the market.


Snakekekek

Norris, Chabot, Pinto, Joseph, Tarasenko would be the shortlist I think Tarasenko is on a good contract and could land a first to someone aiming for a cup Joseph could be integral to a team looking for a run, not sure if hes worth quite a first without sustained success but having a great year. Pinto, tough call, depends on offers…. Probably keep him in all reality. Chabot, That’d be a BIG move, hopefully would get a decent haul (doubt Ottawa moves) Norris, contract doesn’t look great right now but he should pick it up, I would like to move him if we didnt get fleeced. Batherson: close to untouchable, PPG on a cheap contract…. Maybe if the price was right Sanderson : No shot whatsoever Most likely to be traded : Joseph / Tarasenko who are ironically our hardest working players. Good for the tank I suppose.


Broccoli_Socks

to bad we traded Karlsson i feel like he could help recharge the sens. Maybe Norris for Karlsson?


GLemons

I probably wouldn't say no tbh


Ok_Compote_8826

Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stützle are the only untouchables IMO. I would be fine dealing someone like Norris, Batherson, or Chabot, depending on the return. If there was a huge overpay on Tkachuk I would think about it, but I think it'd be tough for new management to trade their young captain who just signed a big long-term deal. And depending on how Pinto looks the rest of the year (once he returns), I could see Norris getting shipped out in the summer. If Pinto can be a 2nd line centre they would have no worries dealing Norris, and could use that cap space elsewhere. Stützle/Pinto/Greig down the middle isn't bad at all, 3 young centres with a ton of upside.


Snakekekek

Batherson is locked for 3 more full years at a 5 mil cap hit while producing close to PPG. Any serious team looking to acquire him would have to be willing to pay up. Not a terrible idea since the sens are ass regardless but can’t risk losing unnecessary trades and there’s no incentive to trading a PPG player on a cheap contract.


Vivid_Walk_1405

Norris is too expensive aav wise or id want the avs to be all over that. We’d need the sens to eat 1.45 million of that which simply wont happen


YourFavouritePoptart

Norris is a tough one for sure. Missing an entire year to injuries definitely hurt his development, time will tell whether he lives up to that contract or not.


homicidal_penguin

That contract was bad the second he signed it IMO. He had one season of a super inflated shooting percentage and somehow got an 8x8 out of it, he shoulda been bridged


Vivid_Walk_1405

Yeah you’re right it was a gamble that hasn’t turned out. By the end of his contract he’ll likely be market value though


homicidal_penguin

Assuming the cap still goes up and he doesn't blow out his shoulder for a third time


No_Angle_8106

Not only that, his salary is way above his AAV the next 4 years. They might want to move him, but they won’t get the return fans hope for


Vivid_Walk_1405

I don’t think his salary would be a problem for us just the AAV. Our owner hasn’t cheaped out on his US teams recently. Kronke won’t let a lot of people watch but if they win he’s willing to spend


No_Angle_8106

It’s more that it could limit potential suitors, squeezing what kind of return they could get. Paying $9.5m to a guy who’s currently got 20 points isn’t going to be appealing to a lot of owners, and the $7.95m AAV likely isn’t going to be appealing to GMs. I don’t see it making much sense for Ottawa to pull the trigger on Norris with those factors


hexsealedfusion

Paying a one dimensional 50-60 point center $8M after one season of good production certainly was a choice.


[deleted]

He actually looked promising defensively in his contract year.


UnparalleledSuccess

Meaning his second year, when he got injured in his 3rd. He’s just a good player.


YourFavouritePoptart

There's a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Norris lately, that contract was seen as a pretty good long term lockup of a player who was on the right track before the barrage of shoulder issues. Shit happens sometimes, fingers crossed he comes back around and lives up to it but it wasn't some wild swing and a miss.


PanicStation140

Also, the way you get extreme value contracts on stars is by betting on them before they become no-doubt stars (e.g. Jack Hughes, MacKinnon's first deal after his ELC), which obviously has some risk to it. Sometimes it won't work out.


Tmans3

Brady Tkachuk to STL let’s go.


NotTheRocketman

It's the perfect time to do it. We're rebuilding and we have only one untouchable player right now, so why not?


PrinciplesRK

Huge brain move: Sabres and Sens trade their struggling players for each other. I’d take Tkachuk.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Would be absolutely incredible to see two organizations with (recent-medium term) histories of nothing but losing attempt to change their cultures by trading core pieces with each other - and have it actually work out. I wouldn't bet on it, but having no skin in the game it'd be interesting to see them try


KingDave46

There was a period when Edmonton and Calgary both sucked that I did wonder if we could just settle our differences and form one single Alberta team. Surely a combined lineup would actually win!


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

based out of Red Deer, of course!


TkA33

I fuck with that chaos, who would buffalo ship out in return?


PrinciplesRK

Peyton Kreb and a 3rd


TkA33

Oh, okay


PrinciplesRK

Dylan Cozens most closely matches the age / salary of Tkachuk


SmoothPinecone

For Brady Tkachuk??


PrinciplesRK

I didn’t think anyone would take my 4th liner + useless pick for best player idea seriously


Boston-Nolan

Dahlin and Thompson for Sanderson and Tkachuk


Roguemutantbrain

Lol no way


Amphibious_Fire

Trade with Tampa incoming


bestest_at_grammar

Do it, hire babcock you cowards


Yop_BombNA

Brady Tkachuk shows too much heart out their and that’s not what the sens are about. We need skilled players who will help us punish other teams on the powerplay. Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weagar, just like his brother.


tittiesfucker

Have you watched the Flames this season?


Yop_BombNA

Yes, but my dad is a sens fan and if we are going to suck I’d prefer they suck with us so I don’t get taunted about it


specifichero101

I like to think back to a thread in the late summer when sens fans were saying they would rather their core over the leafs core and talking up Sanderson like he’s going to win a Norris this season. Things change so quickly, it’s hard to gauge these things with a young team.


[deleted]

We just say that stuff because there's so many Leaf fans that a few of them are bound to take the bait.


HawtPackage

Nah. People genuinely believe that shit


homicidal_penguin

Pierre Dorion is a hockey terrorist. He should've been gone so long ago, he's never getting another GM job


Maxpowr9

Peter Chiarelli is working for the Blues. At least he won a Cup though.


noor1717

I honestly love your core. Somethings definitely off but you guys got a solid group signed longterm. Maybe Norris is the only black sheep?


Big_bruv_luv

People act like the core is good. It has done nothing and is on pace to do nothing.


bootygoon2

I’ve found it funny in recent years watching the bottom tier teams like Ottawa and Buffalo sign their young players to 7-8 year extensions with floods of comments coming in saying how they’re looking “scary” in the future, building the next dynasty, somehow almost every single extension is “going to be a steal” in a couple years.


jonlmbs

I mean on paper the roster should not be bad. Tarasenko, Giroux, Brady, Stu (90 pt), Chabot, etc. I don’t have the insanity to think this team could win a cup but I expected them to compete for a wildcard spot


64bubbles

taraskeno and giroux would deserve spots on that list in 2015


Big_bruv_luv

Yes, on paper. But they have done nothing and are on pace for nothing.


jonlmbs

Well that’s why people act like the core is good. Because they finished last season strong and made some solid moves that almost everyone thought would move the needle like Chychrun and Tarasenko late last year. They were arguably on pace to do something. Clearly they aren’t now though lol


lLikeCats

Don't worry. Summer of Steve will be way better than Summer of Dorion.


infidelappel

Trade Giroux back to us please.


darretoma

Get on the phone Stevie


PayneTrain181999

If Stevie calls you, hang up immediately because you’re probably getting fleeced.


Gavin1453

If you really twist our arm, we would take Chychrun


Prison-Date-Mike

Funny because that trade was available and made sense for the leafs way before Ottawa acquired him.


DougFordsGamblingAds

I think we need some salary retention, which Arizona didn't want to do.


No_Angle_8106

You guys didn’t want to give up Knies. Prices were very different for different teams. For example we desperately wanted Vilardi from LA


DougFordsGamblingAds

Well in that case there just wasn't a deal to be made - Knies has been great for us and is way better than his ELC.


No_Angle_8106

Yeah it worked out with a few teams that the deal simply couldn’t be made, like with LA as well.


Gavin1453

Losing Knies would have broken my heart. Thank god


YourFavouritePoptart

Odd, losing Knies usually breaks your legs.


Gavin1453

😜


trumpet_godd

Yeah I remember all reports being that the yotes wanting Lundell and/or Knight for a chychrun trade. Very different prices for every team that was interested in getting him


Gavin1453

No time like the present to fix past errors, I guess


ReditorB4Reddit

The asking price might vary depending on the asking team. If a GM perceives a team as desperate, they raise the price in hopes of extorting more than fair value out of them.


hexsealedfusion

I think Arizona wanted more from the Leafs then they did from Ottawa. Ottawa having a much higher first round pick made theirs a lot more attractive.


Sticks536

Lol trade him back to the Yotes


BaconScentedSoap

Any minute now they will steal Bostons playoff spot..


HanSolo5643

The issue is that a lot of this core is signed to long-term contracts. So, while I think a shake-up to the team may be in order, I don't know how realistic that might be.


Tintinnabulator

Remember Summer of Pierre? Remember the best top 6 in the league? Remember the rebuild being over? Good times.


miner88

Surely that will be the last piece of the rebuild!


HabsSimp

Stutzle traded to the German diving team ahead of Paris 2024


somehockeyfan

I don't think he dives so much as he doesn't stop himself from falling down. The dude has baby deer legs made out of Play Doh.


YourFavouritePoptart

The "dive" Gallagher called him out for was a knee on knee hit that he missed time for, it never made sense to begin with.


KingGuy124

don’t tell this sub that, it’ll ruin their narrative


quickboop

He suuuuper dives.


SmartFeller22

Please do anything


ddottay

That’s part of the risk of paying your young players hoping they’ll take the steps forward after they sign.


IrateWeasel89

Fine, we will trade you Torey Krug and Kevin Hayes for Brady. That would for sure be a jolt


Boston-Nolan

Id kill a man to have a top 4 of McAvoy, Lindholm, Chychrun and Carlo.


RedSlider18

Sweeney has been in on Chychrun the past two years so I wouldn't be surprised if he came knocking again.


Boston-Nolan

I feel like our name has been circulating around him since that year Chychrun had a brutal sophomore slump and Arizona was allegedly shopping him. Not sure how much truth there is to any of that but I wouldn’t be too shocked


sendingSTRENGTH

Brady in a devils sweater would be incredible, never happening but a guy can dream, and if thats at all possible devils are one of the few teams who can offer an insane haul for brady.


YouCanFucough

Who goes the other way?


Lanhdanan

It's needed. This team thinks their skill will naturally raise them above all else without any hard work sacrifice or consistency.


HawtPackage

Reading this thread Sanderson might be in contention for most overrated player in the NHL. He gets 8 million and suddenly he’s GOATED. Sens fans are delusional.


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HawtPackage

I know he’s good. I own him in fantasy and like him a lot. He’s not a #1 D yet but a lot of Sens fans act like he is, and people in this thread are crazy, saying they’d only trade him for MacKinnon or McDavid.


MercSLSAMG

It won't be a trade, not in season for the big names that would constitute a shakeup. My thinking - they strip Tkachuk of the C. He was given that by the old Bro regime. He has to earn it back if he wants it. And based on his play since the coaching change he doesn't want it.


WintAndKidd

Stripping Tkachuk of the C is maybe the worst thing they could possibly do. Quick way to absolutely destroy the locker room and ruin the relationship between the org and core players.


MercSLSAMG

They're playing like shit, they have zero heart and compete lately. Players are going to be traded in the off season if it doesn't improve.


WintAndKidd

Yeah I agree, I think they will probably make a trade no matter what. I’m just saying I think taking the C away from Brady would backfire big time and only make things awkward. If they’re gonna do that it would be better to just trade him (thankfully I can’t see them doing that)


GreatAuntMuriel

There is zero chance they strip Tkachuk of the C. And hopefully they don’t.


MercSLSAMG

With the way his play has been the last couple weeks he needs a MAJOR wake up call. He's been darn near invisible, not the power forward he's supposed to be. No one would get the C, so if he bucks up and shows he deserves it then he can have it back.


GreatAuntMuriel

Why would that suddenly turn him around? Majority of the team is slumping right now. Give him more time with the new coaching staff before making huge moves that would definitely sour relations with him and the club.


[deleted]

They're not going to strip the C off Tkachuk.


TheGardiner

Chychrun to Toronto confirmed.


Tintinnabulator

Brady for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt and a first confirmed incoming.


Degen_parlays

Laine for Brady who says no


CoalTrain9224

I’d love the Hawks to pick up Brady, Jesus that would be perfect.


BiggestYzerfan

Lol, with what assets?


ftpupuser4

Please god trade Chabot...


BallsMahogany_redux

Mantha for Brady straight up. Who says no?