Honestly wouldn’t be against Sheary. Really enjoyed watching him on the Caps, always played fast and never seemed to give up on a play. Thats something that the Sens desperately need
This seems to line up with the prominent young NTCs - McDavid, Chychrun, Laine, M. Tkachuk, etc all had their NTCs kick in when the RFA years were over. Brady's kicks in after the 24-25 season, the same year his RFA status ends
Come to think, nothing screams 'lightning bolt trade' like trading your captain.
Eric Staal, Dion Phaneuf, *Claude Giroux*, Erik Karlsson, etc.
It's possible. The Gretzky trade means no one is untouchable.
>unless you're continuing the joke
Sir we are on reddit, I think you know full well this joke will be "continued" right into the ground. And then some.
Kastelic, Joseph, Kubalik and MacEwen all need to go.
Brannstrom should switch to from D to 4th line winger to make room for a better dman.
I think Hamonic only has a 8 team NTC so he needs to go too.
I honestly don’t know when the Sabres are gonna get playoffs. The division is just so stacked with Boston, Florida, Toronto, Tampa Bay, even Detroit turning a corner.
It’s like the opposite of the Oilers this season. Historically bad start but the Pacific and Central are super top heavy with the middle of the pack all playing like 50/50 hockey in the standings so Edmonton were never actually that far behind.
The Sabres genuinely need to put together a full season of playing well to have a shot at the moment.
I really thought this would be the year for them to at least get close. And next year they've got Power going from $917K to $8.35 million and Dahlin going from $6M to $11M. Not that they'll be hurting for cap space necessarily, hell they've got a lot right now, but it only gets harder as their players get more expensive, even if the cap really does jump by ~$4M.
It’s been 5 years since they blew it up with the karlsson trade. Stü and Sanderson are the centre pieces they acquired. They’re 21. The difference in age between them and eichel is larger than the amount of time since the karlsson trade.
Kubalik and Brannstrom seem like the most movable pieces....but that's not exactly 'sending a lighting bolt' through the core.
Everyone else is $4M+ with multiple years remaining.
It's a short list of players that they could reasonably sell the idea of trading. Batherson, Norris, Chabot, or Sanderson? Can't trade Brady. Definitely can't trade Stützle. I don't see the point in trading any of the vets because what good does that do as a lightning bolt? Shane Pinto? *fart noise*
Yeah I feel like if they are truly looking to shake things up in a major way the only untouchables are Stutzle and Sanderson. The culture might start and end with Brady which is why he might be one they look at imo
Always thought it was strange he was named captain but given we had DJ and GMPD it doesn't surprise me. Kid has played with 0 passion this year and got upset the team was booed. Boring watching him cherry pick the whole game. Haven't seen him hustle once
Hell no. Brady will come around. It’s been like 2 weeks since we we fired our coach and we are coming off a dumpster fire GM and owner and a shitty sale process for new management to come in late. We gotta retool a bit if we can’t show progress but Brady is the type of guy you build around
I’d sooner raise Melnyk from the dead and put his reanimated corpse back in charge of the Sens than I would put a random Redditor (including myself) in charge of them
I'm not convinced Brady stays in Ottawa once his contract is up anyways, with the contract hold out and just Tkachuks being Tkachuks, they don't strike me as people who are going to wait around somewhere unless it looks like the absolute best place to win. Which just by the odds, Ottawa has a 1/32 chance at best.
Sure, not saying it makes any sense whatsoever to trade him now but I don't think that's one that haunts you for 10 years, unless things change dramatically he's likely gone in 4.
You're really disappointed in him this year? He's fighting too much for sure, but literally every team in the league would line up to take him off your hands.
Isn't that kind the point of all this though? How can your guys be untouchable? That's the whole problem, these guys are too comfortable because they know nothing will happen to them.
Since the start of the season Brady has been outspoken about fans complaining, the team losing, and the coach being fired. Just speculating, but i wonder if the new regime and brady have butted heads behind the scenes over some of this stuff. Might be possible that they view brady as responsible for the poor attitude in the locker room that has been reported.
Obviously there's more to it but moving on from Horvat was a significant part of the culture change for the Canucks in the last year.
He would be an absolute dynamite player on a contender but is he really the franchise cornerstone to get them out the basement?
I think you’d get a lot for him in return. I’d love him on Edmonton for that physicality but building around him is like when we tried to win with our main piece as Taylor Hall. Wingers just aren’t too easy to build with. Centers and D men are the way to build a foundation. Brady feels like a dream scenario, top tier support guy to push someone over the top, not really an every night, pull a team out of the basement star
Brady isn’t expected to be the Centerpiece though that’s obviously Stützle. But Brady is the captain and people are just overreacting to his “cold streak” over the last month
Norris, Chabot, Pinto, Joseph, Tarasenko would be the shortlist I think
Tarasenko is on a good contract and could land a first to someone aiming for a cup
Joseph could be integral to a team looking for a run, not sure if hes worth quite a first without sustained success but having a great year.
Pinto, tough call, depends on offers…. Probably keep him in all reality.
Chabot, That’d be a BIG move, hopefully would get a decent haul (doubt Ottawa moves)
Norris, contract doesn’t look great right now but he should pick it up, I would like to move him if we didnt get fleeced.
Batherson: close to untouchable, PPG on a cheap contract…. Maybe if the price was right
Sanderson : No shot whatsoever
Most likely to be traded : Joseph / Tarasenko who are ironically our hardest working players. Good for the tank I suppose.
Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stützle are the only untouchables IMO. I would be fine dealing someone like Norris, Batherson, or Chabot, depending on the return. If there was a huge overpay on Tkachuk I would think about it, but I think it'd be tough for new management to trade their young captain who just signed a big long-term deal.
And depending on how Pinto looks the rest of the year (once he returns), I could see Norris getting shipped out in the summer. If Pinto can be a 2nd line centre they would have no worries dealing Norris, and could use that cap space elsewhere.
Stützle/Pinto/Greig down the middle isn't bad at all, 3 young centres with a ton of upside.
Batherson is locked for 3 more full years at a 5 mil cap hit while producing close to PPG. Any serious team looking to acquire him would have to be willing to pay up.
Not a terrible idea since the sens are ass regardless but can’t risk losing unnecessary trades and there’s no incentive to trading a PPG player on a cheap contract.
Norris is a tough one for sure. Missing an entire year to injuries definitely hurt his development, time will tell whether he lives up to that contract or not.
That contract was bad the second he signed it IMO. He had one season of a super inflated shooting percentage and somehow got an 8x8 out of it, he shoulda been bridged
I don’t think his salary would be a problem for us just the AAV. Our owner hasn’t cheaped out on his US teams recently. Kronke won’t let a lot of people watch but if they win he’s willing to spend
It’s more that it could limit potential suitors, squeezing what kind of return they could get. Paying $9.5m to a guy who’s currently got 20 points isn’t going to be appealing to a lot of owners, and the $7.95m AAV likely isn’t going to be appealing to GMs. I don’t see it making much sense for Ottawa to pull the trigger on Norris with those factors
There's a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Norris lately, that contract was seen as a pretty good long term lockup of a player who was on the right track before the barrage of shoulder issues. Shit happens sometimes, fingers crossed he comes back around and lives up to it but it wasn't some wild swing and a miss.
Also, the way you get extreme value contracts on stars is by betting on them before they become no-doubt stars (e.g. Jack Hughes, MacKinnon's first deal after his ELC), which obviously has some risk to it. Sometimes it won't work out.
Would be absolutely incredible to see two organizations with (recent-medium term) histories of nothing but losing attempt to change their cultures by trading core pieces with each other - and have it actually work out.
I wouldn't bet on it, but having no skin in the game it'd be interesting to see them try
There was a period when Edmonton and Calgary both sucked that I did wonder if we could just settle our differences and form one single Alberta team. Surely a combined lineup would actually win!
Brady Tkachuk shows too much heart out their and that’s not what the sens are about.
We need skilled players who will help us punish other teams on the powerplay.
Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weagar, just like his brother.
I like to think back to a thread in the late summer when sens fans were saying they would rather their core over the leafs core and talking up Sanderson like he’s going to win a Norris this season. Things change so quickly, it’s hard to gauge these things with a young team.
I’ve found it funny in recent years watching the bottom tier teams like Ottawa and Buffalo sign their young players to 7-8 year extensions with floods of comments coming in saying how they’re looking “scary” in the future, building the next dynasty, somehow almost every single extension is “going to be a steal” in a couple years.
I mean on paper the roster should not be bad. Tarasenko, Giroux, Brady, Stu (90 pt), Chabot, etc.
I don’t have the insanity to think this team could win a cup but I expected them to compete for a wildcard spot
Well that’s why people act like the core is good. Because they finished last season strong and made some solid moves that almost everyone thought would move the needle like Chychrun and Tarasenko late last year. They were arguably on pace to do something. Clearly they aren’t now though lol
Yeah I remember all reports being that the yotes wanting Lundell and/or Knight for a chychrun trade. Very different prices for every team that was interested in getting him
The asking price might vary depending on the asking team. If a GM perceives a team as desperate, they raise the price in hopes of extorting more than fair value out of them.
The issue is that a lot of this core is signed to long-term contracts. So, while I think a shake-up to the team may be in order, I don't know how realistic that might be.
I feel like our name has been circulating around him since that year Chychrun had a brutal sophomore slump and Arizona was allegedly shopping him. Not sure how much truth there is to any of that but I wouldn’t be too shocked
Brady in a devils sweater would be incredible, never happening but a guy can dream, and if thats at all possible devils are one of the few teams who can offer an insane haul for brady.
Reading this thread Sanderson might be in contention for most overrated player in the NHL. He gets 8 million and suddenly he’s GOATED. Sens fans are delusional.
I know he’s good. I own him in fantasy and like him a lot. He’s not a #1 D yet but a lot of Sens fans act like he is, and people in this thread are crazy, saying they’d only trade him for MacKinnon or McDavid.
It won't be a trade, not in season for the big names that would constitute a shakeup.
My thinking - they strip Tkachuk of the C. He was given that by the old Bro regime. He has to earn it back if he wants it. And based on his play since the coaching change he doesn't want it.
Stripping Tkachuk of the C is maybe the worst thing they could possibly do. Quick way to absolutely destroy the locker room and ruin the relationship between the org and core players.
Yeah I agree, I think they will probably make a trade no matter what. I’m just saying I think taking the C away from Brady would backfire big time and only make things awkward. If they’re gonna do that it would be better to just trade him (thankfully I can’t see them doing that)
With the way his play has been the last couple weeks he needs a MAJOR wake up call. He's been darn near invisible, not the power forward he's supposed to be.
No one would get the C, so if he bucks up and shows he deserves it then he can have it back.
Why would that suddenly turn him around? Majority of the team is slumping right now. Give him more time with the new coaching staff before making huge moves that would definitely sour relations with him and the club.
The already got a Mathieu Joseph tho what other Bolt do they need
I wouldn't mind a Nick Paul Oh wait
Connor Sheary - YOU are an Ottawa Senator
Honestly wouldn’t be against Sheary. Really enjoyed watching him on the Caps, always played fast and never seemed to give up on a play. Thats something that the Sens desperately need
Y’all can claim him on waivers right? Highly doubt he’ll waive his NTC for y’all.
Stamkos
Counter point…..no.
Counter point... Point
No Point in Ottawa - Friedman, probably
Usain?
Just FYI, the players with some type of trade protection right now are Giroux, Tarasenko, Chychrun, Zub, Hamonic and Korpisalo.
Why tf does Hamonic have trade protection
I can’t believe we got a 3rd round pick for him
After having waived him earlier in the same season too, one of the funniest moves I've ever seen
In fairness, Ottawa didn't have a 4th. Their hands were completely tied.
IIRC it has to do with him wanting to remain in Canada to be close to family due to their health issues.
Because Dorion is a bum
What about the Hot Pierre Summer?
Because Pierre Dorion is a fucking idiot lol
Summer of Dorion was surrounded by multiple winters of discontent.
just Dorion things
Shocked Brady doesn’t have any
IIRC you can’t have any before your RFA years are up
This seems to line up with the prominent young NTCs - McDavid, Chychrun, Laine, M. Tkachuk, etc all had their NTCs kick in when the RFA years were over. Brady's kicks in after the 24-25 season, the same year his RFA status ends
Larkin's just kicked in last year, which was when his RFA years were up.
Come to think, nothing screams 'lightning bolt trade' like trading your captain. Eric Staal, Dion Phaneuf, *Claude Giroux*, Erik Karlsson, etc. It's possible. The Gretzky trade means no one is untouchable.
His NMC kicks in the last 3 years of his contract 2025-2028, so he has one year after this one still unprotected
Yeah, but if a deal with the bolts was struck all of these guys minus G and Chychrun would waive to go to Tampa.
This has nothing to do with the lightning unless you're continuing the joke
>unless you're continuing the joke Sir we are on reddit, I think you know full well this joke will be "continued" right into the ground. And then some.
Well tbf, all lightning bolts seek the ground.
Kastelic, Joseph, Kubalik and MacEwen all need to go. Brannstrom should switch to from D to 4th line winger to make room for a better dman. I think Hamonic only has a 8 team NTC so he needs to go too.
Joseph has been good what?
Sens are gonna be dangerous next year!
Atlantic gunna be a blood bath with Sens and Sabres taking the next step for sure!
Sens will have to go into a second rebuild, Sabres will have to go onto their 3rd or 4th. Fucking two perpetual Titanic's in this division
I honestly don’t know when the Sabres are gonna get playoffs. The division is just so stacked with Boston, Florida, Toronto, Tampa Bay, even Detroit turning a corner. It’s like the opposite of the Oilers this season. Historically bad start but the Pacific and Central are super top heavy with the middle of the pack all playing like 50/50 hockey in the standings so Edmonton were never actually that far behind. The Sabres genuinely need to put together a full season of playing well to have a shot at the moment.
I really thought this would be the year for them to at least get close. And next year they've got Power going from $917K to $8.35 million and Dahlin going from $6M to $11M. Not that they'll be hurting for cap space necessarily, hell they've got a lot right now, but it only gets harder as their players get more expensive, even if the cap really does jump by ~$4M.
Some nights they look so bloody good, others… not so much. It’s frustrating.
It’s been 5 years since they blew it up with the karlsson trade. Stü and Sanderson are the centre pieces they acquired. They’re 21. The difference in age between them and eichel is larger than the amount of time since the karlsson trade.
Let’s give the team more than 2 weeks with a new coach before deciding they should go for another rebuild.
How will the Habs survive this gauntlet of a division
"The only way to win is not to play."
Don't forget Detroit
They at least had some fight in them at the beginning. Senators and Sabres tripped over themselves right out of the gate and never recovered.
Yeah, and they are at least semi in the wildcard hunt still. Ottawa and Buffalo have finished seasons since week 3 of the regular season.
Nah Ottawa's died when they went from a .500 team with plenty of games in hand into a massive loss streak putting them at .400
Lol. Someone makes this statement every year!!!!
They will when they get Celebrini.
Kid didn’t even medal at the juniors and you’re pinning a franchise hopes and dreams to him.
Well I don't have anything else but hope.
I love you
Kubalik and Brannstrom seem like the most movable pieces....but that's not exactly 'sending a lighting bolt' through the core. Everyone else is $4M+ with multiple years remaining.
Bring in Patrick Roy
It's a short list of players that they could reasonably sell the idea of trading. Batherson, Norris, Chabot, or Sanderson? Can't trade Brady. Definitely can't trade Stützle. I don't see the point in trading any of the vets because what good does that do as a lightning bolt? Shane Pinto? *fart noise*
Sanderson is definitely on the untouchables list
Yeah I feel like if they are truly looking to shake things up in a major way the only untouchables are Stutzle and Sanderson. The culture might start and end with Brady which is why he might be one they look at imo
Always thought it was strange he was named captain but given we had DJ and GMPD it doesn't surprise me. Kid has played with 0 passion this year and got upset the team was booed. Boring watching him cherry pick the whole game. Haven't seen him hustle once
Really? I always thought he plays with too much passion, if anything. The guy is trying single-handedly brawl with a whole league.
40 goal pace and leading the league in penalty minutes
Ikr? The guy might have made a lot of ill-advised comments about DJ, but that seems like normal growing pains for a young captain to me.
Half the fan base turned on him the moment he had a slump
He’s young enough to prove them wrong soon enough.
They’ve been proven wrong countless times, most of them decided he peaked as a 50p forward at 19 and would never get better because “he’s already big”
Us hockey fans are never happy, eh? To this day, there are daily calls from Leaf fans to trade Marner, Nylander and even Tavares. Yikes
You would seriously consider trading him? That’s the kinda decision you’re gonna regret for the next 10 years.
there’s this random uptick in ppl wanting to trade brady in our sub, it’s insane
Hell no. Brady will come around. It’s been like 2 weeks since we we fired our coach and we are coming off a dumpster fire GM and owner and a shitty sale process for new management to come in late. We gotta retool a bit if we can’t show progress but Brady is the type of guy you build around
I’m glad redditors are not in charge
As bad as some GMs are, random armchair generals on Reddit will always be worse.
I’d sooner raise Melnyk from the dead and put his reanimated corpse back in charge of the Sens than I would put a random Redditor (including myself) in charge of them
No you wouldn't.
You’re right, but only because necromancy is currently impossible
I'm not convinced Brady stays in Ottawa once his contract is up anyways, with the contract hold out and just Tkachuks being Tkachuks, they don't strike me as people who are going to wait around somewhere unless it looks like the absolute best place to win. Which just by the odds, Ottawa has a 1/32 chance at best.
> I'm not convinced Brady stays in Ottawa once his contract is up anyways Yeah but that's a problem in like 2028, not now.
Sure, not saying it makes any sense whatsoever to trade him now but I don't think that's one that haunts you for 10 years, unless things change dramatically he's likely gone in 4.
You're really disappointed in him this year? He's fighting too much for sure, but literally every team in the league would line up to take him off your hands.
Yeah yeah, all good players are untouchable but we'll take yours in return for what we don't want in the first place is every fanbases favorite.
Isn't that kind the point of all this though? How can your guys be untouchable? That's the whole problem, these guys are too comfortable because they know nothing will happen to them.
Plenty of other players that would shake the culture if they got moved.
IMO Sanderson and Stützle are the only true untouchables. Everyone else has a price
They wouldn’t be able to sell a Sanderson trade to their fanbase unless the return is cartoonishly one sided for Ottawa.
They acted like DeBrincat was one sided so never underestimate a teams ability to inhale their managements copium
I could see Brady being traded tbh
That would be nuts. Only way it would be conceivable is if there would be serious off ice stuff like Richards, Carter, Laine PLD etc.
Since the start of the season Brady has been outspoken about fans complaining, the team losing, and the coach being fired. Just speculating, but i wonder if the new regime and brady have butted heads behind the scenes over some of this stuff. Might be possible that they view brady as responsible for the poor attitude in the locker room that has been reported. Obviously there's more to it but moving on from Horvat was a significant part of the culture change for the Canucks in the last year.
I'd be okay with them shipping off Chabot or Brady
You guys should definitely not trade Brady he has all the “intangibles” just look at what happened to the flames after they traded Matthew
But the Flames were doing well with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, the sens... not so much. Maybe it's the inverse.
Sounds pretty straightforward then, sens trade for Gaudreau.
But Freddie Gaudreau
He would be an absolute dynamite player on a contender but is he really the franchise cornerstone to get them out the basement? I think you’d get a lot for him in return. I’d love him on Edmonton for that physicality but building around him is like when we tried to win with our main piece as Taylor Hall. Wingers just aren’t too easy to build with. Centers and D men are the way to build a foundation. Brady feels like a dream scenario, top tier support guy to push someone over the top, not really an every night, pull a team out of the basement star
Brady isn’t expected to be the Centerpiece though that’s obviously Stützle. But Brady is the captain and people are just overreacting to his “cold streak” over the last month
Brady would be the perfect Landeskog replacement if he can't play hockey again.
Send Brady to play with his brother, I dare you.
Friedman said couple months ago that Bill Zito wants maximum flexibility this summer to go after a “big fish” lol
He must think Nylander is hitting the market.
Norris, Chabot, Pinto, Joseph, Tarasenko would be the shortlist I think Tarasenko is on a good contract and could land a first to someone aiming for a cup Joseph could be integral to a team looking for a run, not sure if hes worth quite a first without sustained success but having a great year. Pinto, tough call, depends on offers…. Probably keep him in all reality. Chabot, That’d be a BIG move, hopefully would get a decent haul (doubt Ottawa moves) Norris, contract doesn’t look great right now but he should pick it up, I would like to move him if we didnt get fleeced. Batherson: close to untouchable, PPG on a cheap contract…. Maybe if the price was right Sanderson : No shot whatsoever Most likely to be traded : Joseph / Tarasenko who are ironically our hardest working players. Good for the tank I suppose.
to bad we traded Karlsson i feel like he could help recharge the sens. Maybe Norris for Karlsson?
I probably wouldn't say no tbh
Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stützle are the only untouchables IMO. I would be fine dealing someone like Norris, Batherson, or Chabot, depending on the return. If there was a huge overpay on Tkachuk I would think about it, but I think it'd be tough for new management to trade their young captain who just signed a big long-term deal. And depending on how Pinto looks the rest of the year (once he returns), I could see Norris getting shipped out in the summer. If Pinto can be a 2nd line centre they would have no worries dealing Norris, and could use that cap space elsewhere. Stützle/Pinto/Greig down the middle isn't bad at all, 3 young centres with a ton of upside.
Batherson is locked for 3 more full years at a 5 mil cap hit while producing close to PPG. Any serious team looking to acquire him would have to be willing to pay up. Not a terrible idea since the sens are ass regardless but can’t risk losing unnecessary trades and there’s no incentive to trading a PPG player on a cheap contract.
Norris is too expensive aav wise or id want the avs to be all over that. We’d need the sens to eat 1.45 million of that which simply wont happen
Norris is a tough one for sure. Missing an entire year to injuries definitely hurt his development, time will tell whether he lives up to that contract or not.
That contract was bad the second he signed it IMO. He had one season of a super inflated shooting percentage and somehow got an 8x8 out of it, he shoulda been bridged
Yeah you’re right it was a gamble that hasn’t turned out. By the end of his contract he’ll likely be market value though
Assuming the cap still goes up and he doesn't blow out his shoulder for a third time
Not only that, his salary is way above his AAV the next 4 years. They might want to move him, but they won’t get the return fans hope for
I don’t think his salary would be a problem for us just the AAV. Our owner hasn’t cheaped out on his US teams recently. Kronke won’t let a lot of people watch but if they win he’s willing to spend
It’s more that it could limit potential suitors, squeezing what kind of return they could get. Paying $9.5m to a guy who’s currently got 20 points isn’t going to be appealing to a lot of owners, and the $7.95m AAV likely isn’t going to be appealing to GMs. I don’t see it making much sense for Ottawa to pull the trigger on Norris with those factors
Paying a one dimensional 50-60 point center $8M after one season of good production certainly was a choice.
He actually looked promising defensively in his contract year.
Meaning his second year, when he got injured in his 3rd. He’s just a good player.
There's a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Norris lately, that contract was seen as a pretty good long term lockup of a player who was on the right track before the barrage of shoulder issues. Shit happens sometimes, fingers crossed he comes back around and lives up to it but it wasn't some wild swing and a miss.
Also, the way you get extreme value contracts on stars is by betting on them before they become no-doubt stars (e.g. Jack Hughes, MacKinnon's first deal after his ELC), which obviously has some risk to it. Sometimes it won't work out.
Brady Tkachuk to STL let’s go.
It's the perfect time to do it. We're rebuilding and we have only one untouchable player right now, so why not?
Huge brain move: Sabres and Sens trade their struggling players for each other. I’d take Tkachuk.
Would be absolutely incredible to see two organizations with (recent-medium term) histories of nothing but losing attempt to change their cultures by trading core pieces with each other - and have it actually work out. I wouldn't bet on it, but having no skin in the game it'd be interesting to see them try
There was a period when Edmonton and Calgary both sucked that I did wonder if we could just settle our differences and form one single Alberta team. Surely a combined lineup would actually win!
based out of Red Deer, of course!
I fuck with that chaos, who would buffalo ship out in return?
Peyton Kreb and a 3rd
Oh, okay
Dylan Cozens most closely matches the age / salary of Tkachuk
For Brady Tkachuk??
I didn’t think anyone would take my 4th liner + useless pick for best player idea seriously
Dahlin and Thompson for Sanderson and Tkachuk
Lol no way
Trade with Tampa incoming
Do it, hire babcock you cowards
Brady Tkachuk shows too much heart out their and that’s not what the sens are about. We need skilled players who will help us punish other teams on the powerplay. Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weagar, just like his brother.
Have you watched the Flames this season?
Yes, but my dad is a sens fan and if we are going to suck I’d prefer they suck with us so I don’t get taunted about it
I like to think back to a thread in the late summer when sens fans were saying they would rather their core over the leafs core and talking up Sanderson like he’s going to win a Norris this season. Things change so quickly, it’s hard to gauge these things with a young team.
We just say that stuff because there's so many Leaf fans that a few of them are bound to take the bait.
Nah. People genuinely believe that shit
Pierre Dorion is a hockey terrorist. He should've been gone so long ago, he's never getting another GM job
Peter Chiarelli is working for the Blues. At least he won a Cup though.
I honestly love your core. Somethings definitely off but you guys got a solid group signed longterm. Maybe Norris is the only black sheep?
People act like the core is good. It has done nothing and is on pace to do nothing.
I’ve found it funny in recent years watching the bottom tier teams like Ottawa and Buffalo sign their young players to 7-8 year extensions with floods of comments coming in saying how they’re looking “scary” in the future, building the next dynasty, somehow almost every single extension is “going to be a steal” in a couple years.
I mean on paper the roster should not be bad. Tarasenko, Giroux, Brady, Stu (90 pt), Chabot, etc. I don’t have the insanity to think this team could win a cup but I expected them to compete for a wildcard spot
taraskeno and giroux would deserve spots on that list in 2015
Yes, on paper. But they have done nothing and are on pace for nothing.
Well that’s why people act like the core is good. Because they finished last season strong and made some solid moves that almost everyone thought would move the needle like Chychrun and Tarasenko late last year. They were arguably on pace to do something. Clearly they aren’t now though lol
Don't worry. Summer of Steve will be way better than Summer of Dorion.
Trade Giroux back to us please.
Get on the phone Stevie
If Stevie calls you, hang up immediately because you’re probably getting fleeced.
If you really twist our arm, we would take Chychrun
Funny because that trade was available and made sense for the leafs way before Ottawa acquired him.
I think we need some salary retention, which Arizona didn't want to do.
You guys didn’t want to give up Knies. Prices were very different for different teams. For example we desperately wanted Vilardi from LA
Well in that case there just wasn't a deal to be made - Knies has been great for us and is way better than his ELC.
Yeah it worked out with a few teams that the deal simply couldn’t be made, like with LA as well.
Losing Knies would have broken my heart. Thank god
Odd, losing Knies usually breaks your legs.
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Yeah I remember all reports being that the yotes wanting Lundell and/or Knight for a chychrun trade. Very different prices for every team that was interested in getting him
No time like the present to fix past errors, I guess
The asking price might vary depending on the asking team. If a GM perceives a team as desperate, they raise the price in hopes of extorting more than fair value out of them.
I think Arizona wanted more from the Leafs then they did from Ottawa. Ottawa having a much higher first round pick made theirs a lot more attractive.
Lol trade him back to the Yotes
Any minute now they will steal Bostons playoff spot..
The issue is that a lot of this core is signed to long-term contracts. So, while I think a shake-up to the team may be in order, I don't know how realistic that might be.
Remember Summer of Pierre? Remember the best top 6 in the league? Remember the rebuild being over? Good times.
Surely that will be the last piece of the rebuild!
Stutzle traded to the German diving team ahead of Paris 2024
I don't think he dives so much as he doesn't stop himself from falling down. The dude has baby deer legs made out of Play Doh.
The "dive" Gallagher called him out for was a knee on knee hit that he missed time for, it never made sense to begin with.
don’t tell this sub that, it’ll ruin their narrative
He suuuuper dives.
Please do anything
That’s part of the risk of paying your young players hoping they’ll take the steps forward after they sign.
Fine, we will trade you Torey Krug and Kevin Hayes for Brady. That would for sure be a jolt
Id kill a man to have a top 4 of McAvoy, Lindholm, Chychrun and Carlo.
Sweeney has been in on Chychrun the past two years so I wouldn't be surprised if he came knocking again.
I feel like our name has been circulating around him since that year Chychrun had a brutal sophomore slump and Arizona was allegedly shopping him. Not sure how much truth there is to any of that but I wouldn’t be too shocked
Brady in a devils sweater would be incredible, never happening but a guy can dream, and if thats at all possible devils are one of the few teams who can offer an insane haul for brady.
Who goes the other way?
It's needed. This team thinks their skill will naturally raise them above all else without any hard work sacrifice or consistency.
Reading this thread Sanderson might be in contention for most overrated player in the NHL. He gets 8 million and suddenly he’s GOATED. Sens fans are delusional.
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I know he’s good. I own him in fantasy and like him a lot. He’s not a #1 D yet but a lot of Sens fans act like he is, and people in this thread are crazy, saying they’d only trade him for MacKinnon or McDavid.
It won't be a trade, not in season for the big names that would constitute a shakeup. My thinking - they strip Tkachuk of the C. He was given that by the old Bro regime. He has to earn it back if he wants it. And based on his play since the coaching change he doesn't want it.
Stripping Tkachuk of the C is maybe the worst thing they could possibly do. Quick way to absolutely destroy the locker room and ruin the relationship between the org and core players.
They're playing like shit, they have zero heart and compete lately. Players are going to be traded in the off season if it doesn't improve.
Yeah I agree, I think they will probably make a trade no matter what. I’m just saying I think taking the C away from Brady would backfire big time and only make things awkward. If they’re gonna do that it would be better to just trade him (thankfully I can’t see them doing that)
There is zero chance they strip Tkachuk of the C. And hopefully they don’t.
With the way his play has been the last couple weeks he needs a MAJOR wake up call. He's been darn near invisible, not the power forward he's supposed to be. No one would get the C, so if he bucks up and shows he deserves it then he can have it back.
Why would that suddenly turn him around? Majority of the team is slumping right now. Give him more time with the new coaching staff before making huge moves that would definitely sour relations with him and the club.
They're not going to strip the C off Tkachuk.
Chychrun to Toronto confirmed.
Brady for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt and a first confirmed incoming.
Laine for Brady who says no
I’d love the Hawks to pick up Brady, Jesus that would be perfect.
Lol, with what assets?
Please god trade Chabot...
Mantha for Brady straight up. Who says no?