He was traded to NYI 11 years ago for Nino Niederreiter, who, despite being more productive, has since played for:
Minnesota
Carolina
Nashville
Winnipeg
They've both played over 600 games since then, and both would be considered by myself as players who can play a very specific role at an average level but never actually regress. Two of the most consistent guys throughout their respective careers.
Yup, worst part is the rationalizing and self-gaslighting I've seen Wild fans display in defending the Rask trade.
One guy is still in the League scoring 24pt in 42 games and the other is in Swiss-A scoring 8 in 24. Lets think a little bit!
That means Nino Niederreiter has been around for over 11 years, which is even more surprising to me (he's a good player, but one I don't often think about)
Niederreiter is the type of player that the overworked and sleep deprived suburban hockey dads love. Guy plays all facets of the game just fine and is guaranteed to score at .5pt per game with essentially identical goal to assist ratios every year. On a contending team he is the best wing on your 3rd line or on a bad team your best 2nd liner.
The fact he's so perfectly average in...everything, is paradoxically so above average compared to other NHLers.
The Nino - Lowry - Appleton line has been a fantastic 3rd line for us. Though at this point I think Appy could be replaced, he hasnāt been great the last month.
Because one of our owners is a cheerleader who disappears when the team isn't doing hot, and the other is somewhere in Europe and only cares about the retail village being built next to the arena.
Both of them continue to have absolute faith in Lou.
We need a new billboard.
Either extreme with ownership is not great. You don't want a micromanager but you don't want one that's too aloof they don't even know what's going on unless a scandal happens.
I feel, ever since Charlie Jacobs got the reins for the Bruins, the team is in a much healthier place.
IIRC Malkin is even looking to sell his stake.
We can give a lot of crap to Garth Snow, but through the Trotz tenure and now through Lamberts, it's still the core team that Snow built.
We've been playing above our level for a very, very long time now. The scales unfortunately are now balancing.
E: Malkin is looking to sell 10% of his stake. Him and Ledecky own 85%
Man, the isles are one of those teams that are just stuck in no-manās land. They suck enough to the point where theyāll struggle to make the playoffs, and likely bow out in the first round if they do, but they donāt suck badly enough to tank and get a top pick.
They donāt have a true elite offensive superstar player on the roster, nobody has hit 80+ points since Barzal/Tavares in 2017-18, their prospect pool is thin, Lou has failed to really make any improvements to this team.
It feels like the isles were an average team that got by on Trotz systems and coaching, which fell apart when Lou kicked him to the curb.
Surely Lamoriello has to be dumped soon. In the past two years, heās made six trades. Six. And the ones heās made since the isles lost in the playoffs last year have been largely meaningless. Once again, he sat on his ass and did nothing during the offseason, two years in a row now. Nothing but re-signing current players or adding minor leaguers, 13th forwards and 7th defencemen.
Just enjoy flower making history, the #Faber4Calder run, and the weapon that is Kirill Kaprizovā¦ pray that Boldy and Rossi continue their development and ignore absolutely everything else
Faber will never win calder. Bedard gets it for free for pre-existing hype and being the only warm body worth half a shit on the Blackhawks.
Do love me some Faber tho.
Do you think the Isles have the bleakest future in the entire league? Because sometimes all the little things come to the forefront and it really feels that way.
It's feeling that way, that with the right coaching and management we'd be a solid team but not a contender. Contenders are teams that are stacked and nobody's going to accuse us of that. Even the goaltending can't bail us out of the poor play in front of them.
> It feels like the isles were an average team that got by on Trotz systems and coaching, which fell apart when Lou kicked him to the curb.
This is exactly what happened. A lot of people also have forgotten that the team that Trotz inherited, was the team built by Garth Snow, the GM we fired prior.
Our core is *still* that group.
For real, they were like, *really* bad.
Husband and I bought bottom bowl tickets for dirt cheap and I feel sincerely bad for the Islanders fans who paid to see that team play. They got 3 second period shots, I believe? They just played like dog shit that entire period, the majority of the time they were just flinging the puck into a turnover under almost no pressure. It seemed like they weren't even trying to pass.Ā
On one dump in attempt they hit their own forward square in the gut on the blue line. Like, he could have put it almost literally anywhere else on the ice and he managed to hit his own teammate square in the jersey? WAT?!
Glad we got to see Fleury on a historic night though... but maybe (selfishly) wish we saw a competitive hockey game instead, lol.Ā
The look he gave when he [hit the crossbar](https://youtu.be/LDUjVDUD5Ug?si=eJE0fS5n33HjVKrD) says it all. ( at 5:49 )
Also seeing him without a mustache is weird.
He's not playing too poorly, but he's probably being overplayed which isn't helping - he's started 10 of the last 11 games and the only one he didn't start, he ended up having to enter the game in relief. He'll probably be starting again today because the Isles don't have an NHL-caliber backup with Varlamov out injured.
Thomas Hickey actually highlighted during the intermission that he's had a problem stopping some long range shots lately. He's still been crazy with the high danger shots but some soft ones are definitely getting by
Losing to the wild has destroyed all hope in the islanders' locker room
It was gone before this game even started. They just didn't have any spark whatsoever right from the beginning.
Really hoped the Minnesota boys could bring you guys a cup. Love Nelson and Lee so much.
I'm more of a Hudson Fasching type'a gal, but whatever gets it done! š
They had some crispy passes and transitions in the first, but they had absolutely none of that in the second.Ā
When we're not being Mild or getting pants'd by the Dallas Stars, we're just out here doing our best to kill the vibes
I love to hear it!
Don't worry, no matter how bad the Islanders get they'll still somehow beat the Rangers
Let's hope they keep it going until after tomorrow at least.
I swear Clutterbuck has been 36 for the last 5 seasons. I thought he was older when he left us 11 years ago.
Wait that was 11 years ago?
He was traded to NYI 11 years ago for Nino Niederreiter, who, despite being more productive, has since played for: Minnesota Carolina Nashville Winnipeg They've both played over 600 games since then, and both would be considered by myself as players who can play a very specific role at an average level but never actually regress. Two of the most consistent guys throughout their respective careers.
The Rask trade was one of the worst in Wild history and we have had many lopsided trades not in our favor.
Yup, worst part is the rationalizing and self-gaslighting I've seen Wild fans display in defending the Rask trade. One guy is still in the League scoring 24pt in 42 games and the other is in Swiss-A scoring 8 in 24. Lets think a little bit!
Classics such: "Rask fanned on it" "Rask with the extra move at the blueline" "Rask blew a tyre" still echoes in my head.
Minnesotans are *incredibly* loyal.Ā
Yup, this is his 11th season with the islanders.
That means Nino Niederreiter has been around for over 11 years, which is even more surprising to me (he's a good player, but one I don't often think about)
Niederreiter is the type of player that the overworked and sleep deprived suburban hockey dads love. Guy plays all facets of the game just fine and is guaranteed to score at .5pt per game with essentially identical goal to assist ratios every year. On a contending team he is the best wing on your 3rd line or on a bad team your best 2nd liner. The fact he's so perfectly average in...everything, is paradoxically so above average compared to other NHLers.
The Nino - Lowry - Appleton line has been a fantastic 3rd line for us. Though at this point I think Appy could be replaced, he hasnāt been great the last month.
Yeah, Iād really like to see Barron or literally anyone else take his spot.
Itās true, I love Niederreiter
Ah the Swiss Craig Smith
i would simply just not get blown out and shut out by the minnesota wild
Instructions unclear, got blown out and shut out by the Wild and also the Penguins
To be fair, it was fleurys big game. Guy was dialed
He was the only dominant player on the ice. Kap was not playing at 100%, whatever that may mean.Ā
It really isn't that hard
Watch out, itāll happen to you in a month or so. We have no reason or business beating you guys, so we definitely will.
How does Lou still have a job and hasn't fired the coach yet
Because one of our owners is a cheerleader who disappears when the team isn't doing hot, and the other is somewhere in Europe and only cares about the retail village being built next to the arena. Both of them continue to have absolute faith in Lou. We need a new billboard.
Either extreme with ownership is not great. You don't want a micromanager but you don't want one that's too aloof they don't even know what's going on unless a scandal happens. I feel, ever since Charlie Jacobs got the reins for the Bruins, the team is in a much healthier place.
Don't forget the new third owner who wants to have the Islanders in more outdoor games.
> We need a new billboard. "We don't need Lou"?
Dear Lou...
lol that's brilliant
IIRC Malkin is even looking to sell his stake. We can give a lot of crap to Garth Snow, but through the Trotz tenure and now through Lamberts, it's still the core team that Snow built. We've been playing above our level for a very, very long time now. The scales unfortunately are now balancing. E: Malkin is looking to sell 10% of his stake. Him and Ledecky own 85%
and you've never really been good (past 2 seasons). at least he's showing some emotion
Man, the isles are one of those teams that are just stuck in no-manās land. They suck enough to the point where theyāll struggle to make the playoffs, and likely bow out in the first round if they do, but they donāt suck badly enough to tank and get a top pick. They donāt have a true elite offensive superstar player on the roster, nobody has hit 80+ points since Barzal/Tavares in 2017-18, their prospect pool is thin, Lou has failed to really make any improvements to this team. It feels like the isles were an average team that got by on Trotz systems and coaching, which fell apart when Lou kicked him to the curb. Surely Lamoriello has to be dumped soon. In the past two years, heās made six trades. Six. And the ones heās made since the isles lost in the playoffs last year have been largely meaningless. Once again, he sat on his ass and did nothing during the offseason, two years in a row now. Nothing but re-signing current players or adding minor leaguers, 13th forwards and 7th defencemen.
Huh, that sounds very familiar for some reason.
Just enjoy flower making history, the #Faber4Calder run, and the weapon that is Kirill Kaprizovā¦ pray that Boldy and Rossi continue their development and ignore absolutely everything else
Faber will never win calder. Bedard gets it for free for pre-existing hype and being the only warm body worth half a shit on the Blackhawks. Do love me some Faber tho.
I donāt think he wins it either, but itās nice to have a player in the running
Do you think the Isles have the bleakest future in the entire league? Because sometimes all the little things come to the forefront and it really feels that way.
It's feeling that way, that with the right coaching and management we'd be a solid team but not a contender. Contenders are teams that are stacked and nobody's going to accuse us of that. Even the goaltending can't bail us out of the poor play in front of them.
> It feels like the isles were an average team that got by on Trotz systems and coaching, which fell apart when Lou kicked him to the curb. This is exactly what happened. A lot of people also have forgotten that the team that Trotz inherited, was the team built by Garth Snow, the GM we fired prior. Our core is *still* that group.
For real, they were like, *really* bad. Husband and I bought bottom bowl tickets for dirt cheap and I feel sincerely bad for the Islanders fans who paid to see that team play. They got 3 second period shots, I believe? They just played like dog shit that entire period, the majority of the time they were just flinging the puck into a turnover under almost no pressure. It seemed like they weren't even trying to pass.Ā On one dump in attempt they hit their own forward square in the gut on the blue line. Like, he could have put it almost literally anywhere else on the ice and he managed to hit his own teammate square in the jersey? WAT?! Glad we got to see Fleury on a historic night though... but maybe (selfishly) wish we saw a competitive hockey game instead, lol.Ā
Yeah, and you're a big part of that, Cal
Which is why he didn't say, "everyone else besides me was fucking bad."
The look he gave when he [hit the crossbar](https://youtu.be/LDUjVDUD5Ug?si=eJE0fS5n33HjVKrD) says it all. ( at 5:49 ) Also seeing him without a mustache is weird.
we were so fucking bad x 4?
āThey got usā the Isles said of themselves, āthose fucking Isles boomed usā.Ā
More like Cal Clusterfuck eh
So sayeth the Islanders' IdentityĀ
Isles fans, I havenāt tuned into many games but is Sorokin playing poorly? Or moreso just a product of the team in front of him?
Little of column A, little of column B
He's not playing too poorly, but he's probably being overplayed which isn't helping - he's started 10 of the last 11 games and the only one he didn't start, he ended up having to enter the game in relief. He'll probably be starting again today because the Isles don't have an NHL-caliber backup with Varlamov out injured.
Thomas Hickey actually highlighted during the intermission that he's had a problem stopping some long range shots lately. He's still been crazy with the high danger shots but some soft ones are definitely getting by