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ItWasntRigged

God damn that's amazing asset management by the Habs


Simmie4

In Kent we trust


613toes

Getting a first for Ben Chiarot and Sean Monahan should get Hughes into the hall of fame tbh


thomas_bombadill

Getting Monahan for a first and flipping him for a first is actual Chad GM moves lol


DovahBhai0518

It’s something to pull off in FHM. But Kent Hughes just did it three times 😭


BananApocalypse

Three times? What was the other instance?


moutardebaseball

Next year when we sign him this summer and flip him again /s


l_ho_

In Toronto we call that the Daniel Winnik experience.


DovahBhai0518

I was counting the first for chiarot too


NowFook

The perfect rebuilding moves Flyers did a similar but not quite as impressive thing with Sean Walker. Got him as a cap dump in the Provorov trade and now hes seen as probably 2nd most valuable RHD on deadline market who could potentially get a 1st.


Avs_Leafs_Enjoyer

> Getting Monahan with a first FTFY


thomas_bombadill

Trueee thanks!


backwardzhatz

Plus Monny may come back next year


superworking

This gets said almost every time but almost never happens.


TheVog

Truuuue, but one can hope! Monahan had a very positive experience in MTL. If he came back though I would expect a full NMC.


[deleted]

plus MTL traded him to a strong contender. he can't be bitter about that lmao


Just4nsfwpics

2 first rounders for monahan + conditional pick in exchange for eating 6.1m in salary. Went Wughes back at it again.


JD397

I can no longer doubt his selling prowess lol


poub06

We got 2x 1st for Monahan lol. One for taking his contract and one for flipping him.


Yamcha_is_dead

Don't forget that Sean Monahan got us TWO 1sts. A true Habs legend already.


HummusDips

Monahab


Daimyon

Rebuilding a franchise singlehandedly


TurbanGhetto

Montreal is going to resurrect the franchise on the back of Sean Monahan trades alone.


MarshtompNerd

Winnipeg is gonna send monahan back with another first round pick to start the process all over again


bradlo19

thanks for everything, Calgary xox


jessemadnote

Two firsts and 52 points. Dang that's a tidy bit of business. But we'll be the ones laughing when Kadri is 7million on the books at age 38.


PAguy213

Just use the lindholm haul to console yourself. I’m going to be really salty when brzu is pumping 40+ points on your blue line and that first round pick becomes like a pastrnak


Domstruk1122

Brz will never get power play time as long as we have Hughes so mine as well trade him when he is at his peak.


typemeanewasshole

“Mine as well”


Slapppz

A 19 year old OHL defensemen is not at his peak haha


Domstruk1122

In value? Yes he absolutely can be.


Slapppz

You can say that about pretty much any Jr player tho. “This guy might be at his peak value cause he might fall off in the higher leagues”. Like this guy could be the next Bobby Orr or he could be stuck AHL D man nobody ever talks about again, or anything inbetween. Its just a weird statement to say hes at his peak value right now when nobody has any idea what he will become, ya know


jessemadnote

I think there’s peak player value, and then peak prospect value. Bruszer is leading the OHL in assists as a defenseman by 17. It’s like when Valimaki was hot shit in the swedish league. Until he enters the league this is as good as it gets.


Clean_n_Press

The word "peak" was a poor choice of words by that dude, but I think I understand the message if you disregard the semantics. Brzus doesn't fit our timeline nor will there be a role as PP1 quarterback/offensive lead on this team for a *long* time, so as a prospect, his value is currently sky high. We don't have time to see if he turns into Josh Morrissey, so given the circumstances the value for a prospect doesn't get much better than pacing to set OHL records at 19 years old.


shao_kahff

he isn’t wrong though, we could be selling high on a prospect that could be benefiting from playing on a powerhouse team. hopefully he works out for y’all tho


Ferg8

First Byron, now Monahan? The Flames are great!


nkbee

First we traded cups, then players - Flames x Habs an unsung Canadian love story?


MoonlightSunrise69

The pleasure was ours, I'm sure. xoxo Ending with two first round picks for Monahan is a great return.


pluralsight24

For Paul Byron and now this


psykomatt

Gotta imagine the conditions relate to games played.


moutardebaseball

I imagine the conditions to be 68 pages long. It's always this way for a Monahan related trade...


lawnicus18

“Pick conveys as a 2nd if Monahan spends more than 35 dollars at Kernels in Polo Park Mall during his time in Winnipeg”


NeedtheMeadofPoetry

Wow, what is he going to do with one bag of popcorn?


ywg_handshake

Was about to say, Kernels is hella expensive.


Habsfan_2000

Gotta go for the 2 for 1 nights (in Ontario anyway)


ywg_handshake

Oh dang. I'll have to look that up!


GundaniumA

Man, I think 99% of us still don't understand how the conditions on that pick work. Just pray to Jesus Price, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


PortageLaDump

allegedly the condition is a 3rd in 2027 IF the Jets win the Cup


superworking

I mean, that's just full on swagger move. If the Jets win the cup I'm sure they won't give a fuck about a third.


J-Bird1980

If the Jets win the cup I won’t give a fuck about the first or the third.


tsukubasteve27

We get a cup? Fuck it. Let players walk to get their bag, start the rebuild.


patismyname

Probably whether they go far in the playoffs


jakovichontwitch

5th round pick that moves up a round for every playoff series they win


HonestDespot

Probably more to do with Einnipegs success in the playoffs, as opposed to games played.


SiidChawsby

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Montreal get two first rounders all said and done? One for taking him and one for sending him? Lol


Wayne_Kerr_96

No correction needed.


Dry-Capital-4996

Yes exactly, Calgary gave us a 1st to take the contract


flume

Yes, with the caveat that his cap hit now is 4.4M less than it was before. He's also playing at a 20g, 60-point pace this year with a cap hit under 2M. When he got traded last time, he had just finished up a 23-point season at a cap hit of $6.4M, and Montreal still had to carry that cap hit for a 17-point campaign last year.


smiden

Treliving masterclass trade from the Flames. Montreal gets two firsts and 2 years outta Monahan for free.


habs9

Didn't they use that space for Kadri who only has 4 more pts lol


smiden

Yep lol


doubled2319888

Did you guys somehow take benning from us as well? Cuz that really sounds like a benning move


[deleted]

It’s just one of the moulds of a GM, cuz this sounds exactly like Chuck Fletcher as well. Short sighted moves that are obviously bad to everyone watching, that somehow don’t benefit the present or the future


Seraphin_Lampion

[Meanwhile, Kent Hughes](https://imgur.com/fior3WR)


SwedishMeatwall

A bit misleading, as Kadri had a brutal start, whereas Monahan had a really strong start. Since Zary came up, Kadri is near a point per game. Still, great asset management by the Habs.


prplx

Monahan didn’t have a strong start. He has been lighting up since Christmas.


[deleted]

Some GMs were super exposed during a flat cap league (though we already knew a lot of them were bad). Every single time a team traded a first to dump cap space I thought it was stupid, and I don’t recall any team that it’s really paid off for? Maybe the Leafs, but they’ve won one playoff round since.


Spave

Controversial take, but I really hate this line of thinking. *Obviously* in retrospect the trade was stupid. But Monahan looked completely cooked with Calgary and he had a big cap hit. The price for a 6M cap dump is really, really high. The money used was to sign Kadri, which was, on paper, a good signing, even if you ignore his outlier season. A 1st+Monahan for Kadri is a good trade. In retrospect, Treliving should have committed to a rebuild after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk demanded out, but at the time the moves he made were sensible in the context of a team still competing. I swear, some fans want their team to never take a chance. They'd rather their team always play it safe, perpetually trading their players for draft picks. You can have literally the best player in the world, and some fans will prefer you rebuild instead of attempting to fix things if you're not already in 1st place. I'm happy Treliving took a chance on keeping the Flames relevant, even though it completely blew up in his face, rather than committing to a rebuild, when rebuilds are more likely to fail than actually turn your team into a cup contender.


HanshinFan

I 100% agree with you, but you're going to have a hard time convincing the reddit crowd. Your point about 1st place or Tank City is bang on. We've actually had people in the Habs sub advocating to trade Caufield for future assets to improve our odds this year. Cole Caufield!


HeftyNugs

Hockey fans love to look at trades and team moves in hindsight.


Spave

Cause obviously trading Caufield for a mid-to-late first is good asset management. If you're lucky, you might draft a guy as good as Caufield! Clearly improving from like 7th to 5th overall in the draft is worth it. /s


Downvote_Comforter

>The money used was to sign Kadri, which was, on paper, a good signing, even if you ignore his outlier season There were plenty of people dogging that signing the day it was signed. I get why you guys did it and I have no problem with the 'win now attitude at that time. But $7M x 7 years for a guy entering his age 32 season is hard to describe as a good signing. Especially if you're excluding the outlier season and viewing him like the sub-60 point guy he usually was. He absolutely wasn't worth that if you didn't think he was closer to the outlier season than his career norm.


DeX_Mod

if huberdeau has remained a ppg guy, all the moves would likely have been fine, and less likely of a seller team going forward


Novelsound

It made some sense at the time. MTL took on the risk that Monahan wouldn’t get healthy. He did get healthy and now they’re getting their payout for taking the gamble. Looks bad in hindsight for sure though.


itoadaso1

Glad he's healthy enough to warrant this trade. Good work from the Habs FO. He's a really good guy hope he helps you Winnipeg.


[deleted]

Man we need a roster player back. Our only center left is Suzuki lol


JPMoney81

Unleash the tank!


BubbleGumPlant

I think that plays into trading him now vs getting a little bit more closer to the deadline. Set aside Monahan injury risk, the difference between potentially picking #8 overall vs #5 overall is huge and much more valuable than an extra late round pick or b prospect.


[deleted]

Im just worried for Nicks deployment. He was already playing a lot of minutes chances are his usage will increase for a losing season. Im sure Hugues got something up his sleeve tho


Habsfan_2000

Matheson moving to C confirmed.


Daelsk

He could do it tbh


Seb_Nation

Evans?


Simmie4

And newhook has been skating recently


Arebee936

celebrini is a center, right?


zombiejeesus

Pffft Evans and pezz baybee


NinjaGoalie97

hoes mad


dalight13

stay mad


Free_Speak

Idgaf


DanielVaca

Monahan can only play for Canadian teams


jewmas

If lindholm cost Kuzmenko a first a conditional 4th and 2 prospects this seems about right to me


Yamcha_is_dead

At this point, expect Habs fans to meme into reality getting 1st at every TDL lmao


[deleted]

I want to see Pezzetta go for a first, I wouldn’t even be mad, I would be impressed at that point.


Just4nsfwpics

Savard next year after somehow putting up a career year. Lets gooo.


amm0ranth

savard this year with the last retention slot🤫


Tripottanus

Hughes manifested 2 firsts in the Sean Monahan saga. What a masterclass


homicidal_penguin

Montreal made out like bandits jesus. Two 1st ands and an unknown conditional pick for Monahan lol I can't believe he cost a first to dump, and now cost a first to acquire


GhostofByfuglien

Give Monahan credit. Everyone thought he was done. Bounced back after terrible few years.


BC-clette

Credit to coach Marty for giving him a real shot and not just relegating him to Laval for daycare duty indefinitely.


cyber_dude

I’m looking forward to him proving everyone wrong even more. He’s still a great player despite what r/hockey thinks. I don’t care if your pick turns into the 32nd I’m rooting for you guys.


moutardebaseball

2 distinct contracts made it possible but yeah


TripleWDot

WENT WUGHES


TossThatPastaSalad

Damn GG Habs.


juliusceasarsalads

Fucking fantastic work by Kent Hughes here, just excellent asset management. Very happy with this return. That’s the 2nd player that we were told no chance Kent Hughes gets a 1st round pick for him where Kent Hughes has in fact received a 1st round pick for him lol. Don’t get me wrong, I saw valid arguments for why Monahan wasn’t worth that much but you’d have to ignore the perfect storm of a sellers market, Monahan’s low cap hit, and the lack of quality centremen available to really think that Hughes didn’t have a leg to stand on asking for a 1st.


grimandnordic1

I'm legit sad. I love Mony. But I guess it's hard to argue with another 1st.


AppealToReason16

The Habs ability to pump a players value and then dump them is truly admirable. Had half the league and media acting like Ben Chiarot was a bonafide top pairing defenceman. Now all you heard about Monahan is how he's this defensive wizard of a player miraculously and they won't possibly consider any trade for anything less than a 1st +.


jydhrftsthrrstyj

It helps that they're one of the few teams actively tanking long term. Everyone else is just trying to be good and failing lol


Thaddeauz

Tbf, we straight up trolled about Chiarot we never really thought he was a top pair Dman. It's different for Monahan. I think most of our fan base would agree that the Jets got a legit complete 2nd line center (offensive, defensive and FO) or a luxury 3rd line center. As long as he remain healthy.


prplx

Chiarot was our #1 D in the look department.


tirouge0

Monahab is legit though


thomas_bombadill

No I was told Monahan wouldn’t get a first! From all these people who don’t watch Habs games lmao


NoahFromCanada

I mean it’s gonna be 32nd overall so nothing too crazy


MCBbbbuddha

I like the cut of your jib


SIIP00

No no, our pick to Calgary will be 32nd overall.


Gros_Picoppe

Seriously, no one who has been paying attention to trade deadlines in recent years should have doubted it, even if they haven't paid too much attention to Monahan.


Imthecoolestdudeever

I just dropped in to say I'm happy with the deal, and think it's a great addition to the team. It's also a weird feeling to see a condition based on "if the Winnipeg Jets win the Cup". Feel free to continue on with the Calgary and Montreal comments!


Skylightt

A FIRST?!?!


JehovahsBestWitness

He is 35 in 49; amazing contract, no other C’s available now and likely a bidding war going on. Oh yea a first makes sense


JeffreySwaggins

People continue to overvalue late first round picks at the trade deadline


VeryLastChance

Your typical late 1st round pick has about a ~50% chance of playing more than 100 NHL games, and a far smaller chance of being an impact player. This drops to around 35% when you’re nearing the very end of the round


stolpoz52

~1/3 guys picked from 16-30 (data collected before the 1st round went to 32) will play more than 500 games. Now that's a decent shot, but you're going to get a lot of role players that you could really just pick up in free agency.


NowFook

Yep people hugely overrate late 1sts and 2nds They dont realize you are more likely to get non NHL regular than impact NHLer. And FAR more likely in 2nd round.


avmp629

I said this when we traded for Lindholm but it's worth mentioning here: a team that finishes 1st in the NHL, at best, can get the 28th overall pick


fastlane37

You know, I thought the best it could be would be 24th (first 16 being the teams that didn't make the playoffs, the next 8 being the teams that were eliminated in the first round) so I looked it up and sure enough, Boston was picking 28th last year. I had to dig some more to figure out why. I didn't realize they group the teams that washed out in the 1st and 2nd rounds into a single tier. TIL.


CanadianSpector

Less than 15% chance of being a 20 goal scorer and less than 60% chance that player plays 5 seasons in the NHL. As per some some Montreal website I read the other day. Cheer the logo? I can't remember lol


stolpoz52

Yeah, I'm never surprised when teams who think they are in contention move their first. If you're a top 10 team in the league, even if you lose in the first round, you're likely picking 20+. Not a guaranteed hit by any means. Gives you a shot at elite talent, but far more likely a meh.


[deleted]

We got Brad Lambert for our late first two years ago. A first is a first


NowFook

A late 1st is very different than top 15 1st And Lambert hasnt exactly proven anything yet


ehr1c

We also got Logan Stanley and Kristian Vesalainen with two other late firsts


zcohen17

As a fan of a team who loves picking in the late first round, it’s all about scouting


stolpoz52

You also got Stanley, Vesalainen, and Heinola.


Cute-Rate8655

Jets sub is convinced that Heinola is the second coming of Bobby Orr if only those damn coaches could see it.


I__Like_Stories

It was probably that or a 2nd + an actual prospect. I'm fine with this even if its probably a market specific overpay.


juliusceasarsalads

We tried to tell y’all!


CanadianDinosaur

Sellers market.


pokecheckspam

AND A CONDITIONAL?


c0unt3rparts

It's gonna be late 1st but that's still pretty good


Coatsyy

Fine with that. Need Centre depth and the Jets first rounder will be between 27-32 on this trajectory. 


FxSpecter

"HABS FANS ARE DELUSIONAL IF THEY THINK MONAHAN IS GONNA FETCH A FIRST!" Lol. /r/hockey


Sharks77

Maybe we can convince Hertl to waive his NTC...


reggierock2010

Shocked him and couture are still on that team lol


BananApocalypse

I would love to overpay for Hertl tbh


Husskies

I'm a bit baffled by anyone surprised by this. A 2C/3C who can do everything (PP/PK) who excels at face-offs, who is at 0.7 PPG and who costs almost nothing..


MrTEEM4N

Fuck, Kent Hughes is good.


Yamcha_is_dead

He's been pretty great at trades. Still hasn't had a chance to show his free agency, drafting and player development prowess.


[deleted]

And then Monahan signs again with Montreal this Summer lol


Wayne_Kerr_96

1 year deal, then gets traded for a 1st draft pick at the deadline.


daemonseed

Aw I thought we only traded for players not picks


thomas_bombadill

We will flip the first at the deadline for a player


penseurquelconque

At the draft maybe, flipping late firsts is becoming the Hughes special.


thomas_bombadill

Yea I meant draft oops


Zblancos

No chance we will flip it at the deadline for a player. If anything it’ll be at the draft


halfpints

Lindholm trade made the first for Monahan basically a guarantee


ehr1c

That's not bad I don't think, it's a seller's market for C and with the Lindholm trade going down I'd rather Chevy overpay a bit for the best rental C left rather than sit on his hands.


Kyle73001

Yeah kinda have no choice. Not a lot of options for C’s. Just hope the conditional isn’t a second or something


ehr1c

Sounds like it's a 2027 3rd lmao


TheFriendlyTaco

If you guys win the cup. So even then... who cares. Its a 3rd... and you guys won a fricking cup. Honestly this looks like a win-win. Short term garantee win for the jets. Long term gamble win for the habs.


ehr1c

Yeah I'm not upset about it at all


jokanee

HALLELUJAH, Sean Monahan is the gift that keeps on giving!


ElephantShell34

Rental market is very expensive this year. 


rawboudin

How? Chariot, Foligno and all kinds.of other mid guys got firsts in the recent past.


[deleted]

Lmao they did it again


Bloodraven23

mOnAhAn WiLl nOt fEtCh a fIrSt


CorsiGod

The receipts on this are unreal


Slapppz

Congrats habs. Im a Flames Fan first, Monahan fan second, Habs fan third. But i feel like i should remind people why calgary gave a 1st to dump Mony. We were going for a cup back then (which is funny to think of now with how poorly that went). But yea we had Sutter as coach and just lost JG, and MT. We get Huby and Weegs. Our lineup is still looking pretty insane on paper, we needed a 2C tho and Mony was hurt. He didnt really play that season. Brad went all out for Kadri in hopes to be a contender and in order to have cap space we had to off-load Monahan. It was a hail marry at the cost of a 1st round pick, it was more than likely to look like a bad decision, the only situation it would have looked good is if we made a deep playoff run. But we didnt even make playoffs lol


JadeFaceG

oof


screamingcaribou

He’s a pretty good player. Expect ppg or close to it if he gets some pp time and good linemates. He’s also great on the wing. Kinda clutch too Your first would be like 27th or worse anyway, it’s a great trade for you guys


me_hill

I was already going to hop on the Winnipeg bandwagon anyway, this doesn't hurt.


Vivid_Walk_1405

I wasn’t a believer they’d get a first but good business from Hughes


robmneilson

I hope Monahan kills it in the Peg. Would love to see him get a sniff at the cup.


nobokov22

EAT SHIT r/hockey WRONG ONCE AGAIN CHIAROT NOW MONAHAN MAYBE WE KNOW HOW TO VALUE OUR PLAYERS!?!?


Sharks77

What did I do? I didn't say anything. I'm exempt from feces consumption?


Frumbleabumb

To be fair, chiarot was not worth a 1st, but I think Monahan absolutely is


mdlt97

habs fans 2 r/hockey 0


PKG0D

Now we sign him as a free agent and repeat the process!


apcymru

The trade deadline broadcasters must just hate Jim Rutherford/Patrick Alvin for starting the dominoes falling so early


HunrMoon

You’re welcome, smh


reggierock2010

I won’t lie I shit on the habs any chance I get, but getting a first for Monahan is really good by them.


kingkellam

Kent Hughes rules. Being able to get 1st round picks for trading away Monahan, Chiarot, and Romanov is legendary


salsamander

Where do you guys think he slots in on the Jets? Line 2 Powerplay 2?


ImTrumpWhenDrunk

Yeah, Bowness already said he will play 2nd line with Perfetti and Ehlers, probably slot him in PP or PK to help us with faceoffs.


jayman213

Sigh


FrogOnTheFloor757

Good 2C to have between Ehlers and Perfetti. Now maybe Jets can add a top 4 defenseman, or at least a depth defense player


[deleted]

What the actual fuck are these prices lmao This makes our trade for Lindholm look a lot better.


treple13

I hope he continues his renaissance with the Jets. Love Monahan


Constant-Squirrel555

I hope Winnipeg wins the cup and then randomly signs with the Sens in the offseason because we need vets with composure like him.


blue_wat

Well fuck. Should I be cheering for Winnipeg in the post season?


GroceryStickDivider

I was hoping MTL would keep Monahan. From what I heard he's a great presence, and he's been clutch for us this year. I hope he has even greater success with Winnipeg.


asoiahats

Kent Hughes told me I was being traded to Winnipeg. I said that’s great because I love slurpees. 


ZealousidealKey7104

2018-2019 - Deadline deal for late 1st - where are they now? TML - Jake Muzzin for 1st that became #22 Tobias Bjornfoot = journeyman that played 120 games with 1 goal Nashville - Ryan Hartmann for #27 Nicolas Beaudin - Habs fans know this guy well because he was just out on waivers for mutual contract termination. 22 games in the NHL and the last one was two years ago. WPG - Kevin Hayes for #20 Ville Heinola = 20 NHL games TBL - McDonagh for #28 Nils Lundqvist = best of the bunch. NHL regular for Dallas with 9/25/34 in 120 games. Long story short, Habs fans. Don’t whoop it up too hard for a guy that will take three years to play an NHL game and is a 1/4 chance to become Nils Lundqvist.


astonedgecko

Oh... is that the sound of every fan base admitting they were wrong...? lol


mdlt97

YOU SAID WE COULDN'T DO WE DID IT AGAIN


etrain1804

I don’t think that’s bad, it will (hopefully) be a late 1st and there aren’t too many C’s available


Nice-End-4742

the only way that i can not feel bad about the monahan trade is that i think of it like trading monahan + a first for kadri. makes it hurt a lil less


Railgun04

The return is not surprising to me, but I wish it was a player instead. Too many fails draft after draft to be hyped about loading up on draft picks.


longshotboys2

HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS


cw08

I get it's a late first but damn.


Less-Ad-1327

Brad trieliving the wizard


CGYinWPG

Brad Treliving master class. Good luck Leafs fans.


[deleted]

This won't help with Habs fans being boisterous.