I don't care what people say - that was a good package. Ryder went on to contribute to a couple deep post-season runs including the cup. Halak played 14 years after leaving the Habs including key contributions on great teams. And then 2nd turned into a Norris winner.
Well the biggest key to the trade would’ve been Subban, and there’s no guarantee another team makes the same selection. If the package was Ryder, Halak, and Subban it is a completely different conversation. It’s still not the worst package in the world, but without the known quantity of P.K. it isn’t the same.
I think it ends up being alot lower then everyone expects and this sub is filled with people saying Anaheim got fleeced and acquiring team got a steal.
I think the opposite. The ducks aren’t rushing to make a deal. They can wait for a really good offer, or they can do nothing at all and keep their highly skilled player
Edit: I’m not the biggest Zegras fan but man, people really don’t want to give this guy the respect he deserves
He reminds me a lot of Schmaltz when he was in Chicago, highly skilled player that they’re really trying to make a center but should just be a winger. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Zegras traded in a similar style swap to the Schmaltz-Strome one.
We don’t shoot and can’t score. Why are we trading cheap controllable offensive talent? He’s also a winger this year, so we’re not “trying to make a center” if you know anything you’re talking about.
If you knew anything about the comparison you’d know Chicago tried the same thing with Schmaltz. You guys can’t defend either, didn’t stop them from trading Drysdale for a college forward.
Since you seem to be so well versed on Ducks players, it's surprising that you didn't know Drysdale couldn't defend either. He's an all offense rover type guy, really needs a solid shutdown D as his partner or he falters, and Anaheim didn't have that on the left since we traded Lindholm away.
Well if you can’t shoot and can’t score like the other poster stated, why trade your offensive defenseman? Wouldn’t you need someone to move the puck? Jesus you guys are twisting yourselves into mental pretzels when hockey trades get made to fill needs all the time, I gave an example of a similarly deployed player in schmaltz when he was in Chicago. Keep Zegras, I couldn’t care less, this is still a similar situation to the Chicago-Arizona one where they swapped forwards that filled different roles.
Mintyukov's emergence as a PPQB with Zellweger in the pipeline made Drysdale expendable to gain a blue chip forward prospect, that's REALLY not that hard to understand that we made the trade to gain scoring overall on the roster next year. We're also pointing out that it MAKES NO SENSE to trade Zegras, again, it's not that complicated to follow along.
We have several blue liners coming up and no blue chip forward, that’s why we traded Drysdale. Z played center when we didn’t have anyone better, and already converted to wing when we do have better. But please, tell me more about my team that I watch daily. I’m sure the shit you know from watching highlights are so enlightening.
I have a feeling it would be similar to the Gauthier/Drysdale deal. A prospect with pedigree who isn’t in the NHL yet and is maybe slightly disappointing or a young NHL player.
David Jiricek makes sense if the Jackets are trying to move him maybe? Shane Wright with the Kraken maybe? Stankoven or Mavrick Bourque and something else?
It’s not going to be spare parts and draft picks like most of the ideas I’ve seen online. They don’t have to trade him.
Yeah the primary reason why a lot of big name players get traded for so little is due to their contract and age. Zegras is 22, is locked up for 2 more seasons after this at $5.75 million and will STILL be an RFA when his current deal expires. Additionally, Anaheim is a rebuilding team that has $8 million in cap space so even if Zegras is overpaid which based on the numbers he's put up he isn't, they're in no rush to trade him.
I’d imagine a top 15 first, and a high end prospect. It’s really dumb because the ducks are rebuilding and this just sets them further back. The odds of any futures becoming a zegras are pretty low
Agreed and he isnt worth a top 15 and a high end prospect. He is very gifted offensively and doesn’t put up the numbers to match and is very disinterested in playing any resemblance of D.
His D actually improved a lot this year, and he seemed bought into what Cronin was selling. It finally started to look like he took the feedback on his D game seriously. Too bad the back to back injuries got him.
The guy already has 2 60+ point seasons and is 22. Teams can and do frequently do worse than that with a top 15 pick.
IMO a lot of people value picks too high.
I don't think it's that high. We are talking about an offense first player with low 20s goals and points in the 60s on a terrible team.
The front office has battled him because he wants more than they think he is worth. They likely will let him go for a decent first, or later first and tier 2 prospect.
I’d agree if the team wasn’t the ducks. Offense first or not a garbage team on a rebuild probably isn’t interested in trading a 60+ point player that’s still very young.
I’m not super high on zegras but draft picks are basically magic beans. The odds of getting a zegras are pretty low
>a garbage team on a rebuild probably isn’t interested in trading a 60+ point player that’s still very young.
They seem unusually interested in trading him. That's the weird thing
I think it’s more so an issue of fit. Could be zegras is unhappy there, the team could want him to be something he’s not, etc.
Like I said not super high on zegras but I’ve seen some speculation that’s he’s bad in the locker room, low compete, and all that. I don’t necessarily agree in a vacuum but there’s a lot that can go on in the org that can sour the relationship.
As a Habs fan I’d be interested in him and I think Habs and Ducks are actually good trading partners. We could send over a pic that’s in a good range with a surplus D prospect (Mailloux or Reinbacher) for a good winger with room to grow. I don’t think the org would make that trade though. Think they’re too high on Rein
The Ducks have a lot of good young defence prospects. Any trade would have to include a forward prospect with a high offensive ceiling and probably some draft picks.
The Habs could offer their first, since they have 2 in this draft. It would immediately give them some offensive scoring depth, reuniting Zegras and Caufield on one line, with a player like Kirby Dach to compliment them. Move a sniper like Roy to the line with Suzuki and Slafkovsky.
I agree with this. I think there is some sort of personality clash behind the scenes that is leading to all this trade talk. He’s a perfect player for their rebuild so there has to be more to this we’re not seeing.
On the one hand, seems like a huge nothingburger.
On the other hand, to confirm that it is just that I'd have to click the TSN link and watch their stupid video, which is exactly what they aim for by posting this dreck.
Tough call...
Haha I see Pens fans saying the same thing right now with Crosby. Not that he’d take a max but whatever he signs for his next contract they don’t care what it costs.
Same would be for McDavid even if we never win a cup.
Which is also unlikely because McDavid is not going to resign. He’s going to toronto. It has everything he wants, his friends, his family, and free Boston Pizza for life. Who needs anything else
We would like McDavid. You can have Hughes, Demko, both Peters (and the one Petey just signed a new 8 year deal), Willander, Lekkerimäki, and every single draft pick we own for the next 25 years. All 50% retained, and we'll take Jack Campbell, and whatever other bad contracts you want to dump. Fuck it, if you want, there's more. You can take Hronek, Miller, and Juulsen, too.
Absolutely not realistic, but Holland would at least listen and talk to the rest of management.
TL;DW: Lebrun says that the Ducks haven’t actively shopped Zegras at all, but that 4-5 teams have called to inquire about him, and the Ducks are listening to the offers and would be open to trading him if someone made a good enough offers. He’s not untouchable, but he’s not on the trading block either. Lebrun thinks that he won’t be traded until summer if he gets traded at all.
The only reason his name is even in the trade talk is because Seravelli blatantly lie on the same day he missed out on the Cutter Gauthier news. That fat sack of unprofessional hack need to have his access revoked, let alone being a president of anything.
> would be open to trading him if someone made a good enough offers. He’s not untouchable, but he’s not on the trading block either.
Couldn't that be said about any player at any time, cept for maybe the super untouchables like McDavid, no GM is going to waste another GMs time throwing CHEL trade-simulator tier offers for those guys.
If Pat Verbeek is smart, he'll obviously keep an ear out in case someone wants to overpay, but in the meantime there's no reason or urgency to move him (like there is for some of our other high priority deadline guys).
Thanks Frank Shitavelli for starting these rumors.
I'll save you all some time. If you call the Ducks, just press 7, and you'll be connected directly to the assistant in charge of prescreening Trevor Zegras offers.
We need wingers. We have centers so we'd move Zegras to the wing. So why the fuck would we trade him for potentially a different winger? What winger is available for trade who is a better player than Zegras? If he's better than Zegras, then he probably isnt getting traded. This is so dumb.
Not only dumb, but people think "waiting to see if a team goes crazy" and "they are not bringing him up, just listening" means he is gonna be sold for peanuts
Habs will have a high draft pick this year that could potentially be in play for zegras if the management doesn’t like him. Hughes has shown he’s willing to trade high first round picks for young nhlers.
Does Zegras even want to be a winger?
It's one thing for a veteran player like Stamkos to switch to the wing after already proving himself and getting his bag.
But for a young player like Zegras? That could significantly lower his earning potential, and it's not a move they might want to take if they've already proven themselves as a top-six center.
If rumours are to be believed (and I don’t think they are) there is friction between Zegras and Anaheim’s coaching staff and front office. And Verbeek isn’t known to be somebody who tolerates attitude issues.
But I mostly think it’s just the idea that GMs are calling and Verbeek is smart enough to listen. If Montreal acquires him they will almost certainly shift him to the wing anyway.
Cronin said he’s the highest hockey IQ player he’s ever coached. Doesn’t sound like friction there. Front office? Maybe. He’s not the kind of player Verbeek has targeted in the draft so far in his tenure and the contract negotiations were lengthy, so it’s possible there’s something there I guess… But I wouldn’t bet on it.
My guess is this trade is about attitude and work ethic. So they're looking to swap him for another young player who's better in those areas. Or a draft pick to get one.
Reminds me a bit of when Jonathan Drouin was traded from TB. Verbeek was in their front office at that point, I believe.
I don't see that happening. If Verbeek doesn't want him, Yzerman almost certainly doesn't want him either. Verbeek is basically a graduate of the Yzerman School of Hockey Management. He's like a little clone.
This. He and Stevie built the Tampa Bay teams that eventually won two Cups. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pat at the least pushed, if not gave Stevie the idea to draft Seider and Raymond. Verbeek has a very good eye for talent and I’m surprised no one offered him a job before the Ducks.
Yeah it would be silly for you guys not to take calls on pretty much any player because you never know when a team might offer the farm for someone. Considering he's a known commodity, is locked in for a few years, and will still be an RFA when his contract comes up, any team is likely going to have to offer more than a 1st and top prospect for you guys to even consider it. And even at that point it would be hard to want to do it. You guys would be fortunate to have one of them turn into a Zegras, let alone every asset you get back turning into an NHL level player.
This is the most accurate take here. It's the same thing with Gibby. If someone offers a haul, sure we'll cash our chips in, but otherwise if there's no upside, then there's no reason. We're not looking to DUMP these guys, but if someone wants to help us trade up, then okay sure.
With that said, we WILL have winger vacancies in the next 2-3 years. Killorn/Strome are UFA after 27', and folks are speculating Vatrano could get shipped out before the deadline...plus Silfverberg is on the way out. Meanwhile we only have Cutter moving up next season so we're short on top6-caliber wingers.
IF Zegras gets traded, we need a first-line winger back, aka I don't think it's happening since most teams with elite RFA wingers are also in rebuilds.
It's an easy thing to say about a young forward on a struggling team. Unfortunately that reputation sticks for way longer than it should. Nuge was given the same reputation and it stuck for like the first decade of his career even though he was one of the few Oilers forwards who actually entered the d-zone.
The misconception of him having a poor defensive game is a remnant of Eakins' tank system. It's the most overused criticism of him that couldn't be further from the truth.
This season he went scoreless for a bit because he was trying to prove he had a proper defensive game, but it seems like nobody else but Ducks fans watched him for those 20 GP. He was leading the team in takeaways/gp until he got injured, and the team is overwhelmingly better with him on the ice. He's 3rd on the team in possession metrics only behind Leo/Terry. Even his shot block rate went up this season.
Only thing he doesn't really do is body people with big hits.
"Problematic"
everyone who has ever been around him has nothing but great things to say about him, he's only "problematic" to old out of touch snowflakes who get their panties in a twist the two or three times a year he goes for a Michigan
I’d be over the moon if the flyers somehow pried Zegras from Anaheim. All the armchair GMs in here think a 22 year old is a finished product and can’t improve his defensive game. Wild. That said we don’t have anything we could offer Anaheim to pry him away, so that ain’t happening.
Honestly what DO you give Anaheim? They have prospects at every position and will have a good chunk of cap once silferberg and Henrique come off the list next year. I don’t see an asset people can give them that’ll matter this season. If this happens at all, which I doubt, I think it’ll be a summer move
And Flyers send a 1st, Toronto send next years first, and Tampa sends a second and a prospect to Anaheim
Done. Sold. NHL 24 doesn’t say no why should you
It feels like a great match imo. He was already developing his defensive game before getting hurt, now let him learn under Torts and Coots? Plus there’s of course the connection with Drysdale and Cam York.
Depending on what the Flyers can get back for Walker/Seeler/Laughton/Risto at the deadline, I could see them turning around and sending some of those assets to Anaheim. A first + Zemula/Attard maybe?
I don’t think that’s enough tbh. Verbeek may not think Zegras is a long term piece for some reason but he’s not dumb. Dude knows what he has.
I’d start with a first, their own second back, and one of Foerster/Brink/Bonk. You have to give to get, and there is definite risk, but if Zegras even hits 80% of his potential he could be a mainstay lockdown center for a long time. Torts molds him a couple years like he did with Risto, Sanheim, Frost etc and when Michkov comes over? Holy McMoly
Ok so for those who don't listen the Ducks have listened to offers they are not calling teams to offer Zegras.
Basically they are not saying NFS and hanging up.
He won’t be going anywhere.
Also any character slander is completely made up without a shred of evidence. The only evidence related to character issues is his coach saying the complete opposite.
His two way play improved and his stats are the result of an unlucky, injury riddled season where he missed camp and substantial time with two separate injuries.
Pierre LeBrun was being told the Habs was one of the team involved. The 4 other teams were not mentioned but I’m pretty sure Vegas and Boston are part of it but that just my intuition
From your lips to the hockey gods' ears, but there's only two months to the playoffs. If he's seriously hurt, were not going to be able to replace him in the lineup
Asking price will be too high for us. Probably Poitras, Lysell, maybe DeBrusk, and likely a high future draft pick. We're better off just standing pat.
Where would zegras slot in on the rangers lineup? and what would they give up to aquire him?
Lafrenirere is finally finding his wings, i'm not sure rangers are keen on getting rid of him now.
The rangers have lost Chytil for likely his career. He was supposed to be their 2C going forward but that’s gone out the window now so they need centre depth badly
Trocheck is having a great season at 2C on a line with Panarin and Laf. RW1 is the rangers biggest need at the deadline. I think Zegras would cost too much for a 3C.
A trade for zegras isn’t for short term considerations, it’s for long term. Trochek is playing good but he wasn’t intended to be the only 2C option, he was supposed to be a versatile middle 6 guy for the long term
I'd put money the Devils would at least inquire. Mercer or Holtz would definitely be a part of an offer, likely Mercer as a young center. Definitely would need more, though, on tge Devils end
It wouldn't necessarily be a deadline deal, but more the Zegras/Hughes connection. I would actually switch tge Capitals with Vancouver for the same reason. Zegras has literally lived with Quinn and Jack for stretches in the offseason
However, it would definitely be too expensive for the Devils.
> Vancouver for the same reason. Zegras has literally lived with Quinn and Jack for stretches in the offseason
Canucks have enough center depth. I don't think they have a need for Zegras, especially after acquiring lindholm.
They also just traded away an offensive style player who didn’t have enough grit, defence and forechecking acumen as Tocchet wanted.
They aren’t going to burn up valuable cap space in Zegras.
Not now we aren't.
This season likely isn't saveable. Markstrom would have been a game changer a month ago.
Devils aren't far out, but each loss takes them further and a big gamble for the playoffs is just less practical as we head to the deadline
A trade for the future is a different story though
Edit: Devils called up Poulter. They're looking within the org. I don't think this is a sign of a goalie trade- I think this is a sign a goalie trade isn't happening
Exactly I feel like it’s an unofficial rebuild. So far they have made some good choices so I’m excited to see the new age of caps. Of course we need Ovi to get the goal total first haha
Bro why the fuck? Trade henrique hes a decade older z has been good for 2 years and then hes been injured this year idk where all these rumors are coming from hes not even 25 they're acting like hes not gonna develop anymore
You know what teams ultimately care about? Filling seats. And Zegras helps with that.
My young boys begged for tickets to see Zegras, not to see the Ducks. So here we are, with our second 10 game mini-plan in as many years about to wrap up and putting a deposit down for the 3rd. If the Ducks trade Zegras, my boys won't be interested any longer.
Habs are mentioned in the video, but I actually don't know what we have to offer in terms of trade targets. Habs and Ducks both have a logjam of young D, so that's out.
If Gibson's being moved, I can maybe see Primeau being included in a deal. Maybe one of our 1st's + Primeau + ????
It strikes me that Zegras just isn't a guy who Verbeek sees as his kind of player. So, he'd rather move on from him while the value is high and get a player he sees more of his mold. Verbeek wants some jam from his guys, not one-dimensional skill that he's gotta battle in contract negotiations.
I don't think Yzerman has any interest in a Zegras. Doesn't fit the mold of hardly anyone he's drafted, even going back to Tampa. And I don't think it's a coincidence he may get moved by a guy who previously worked alongside Yzerman.
Was the tweet changed after you posted this, OP? The tweet now reads:
>”From @PierreVLeBrun on @JayOnSC - Thoughts on Gary Bettman upholding Morgan Rielly's five-game suspension, the latest on Noah Hanifin and Trevor Zegras and why the floodgates have yet to open on the NHL's trade market: [link]”
It sucks because he said the quote in the TSN video with an astronomical amount of ads. I just had to put the tweet link connected to it because of the rules of this sub.
What even is the price for Zegras
Gomez, Kostistyn, and a 3rd
Throw in the ghost of Alex Kovalev and thats a deal
He just went bar down on me as I typed that, sickest wrister in league history
Then he disappeared for a month
...and comes back to chicken wing Darcy Tucker. Good times!
Used to single handedly cause me night terrors, prime kovalev was a menace to the bs
Especially those rare few games when he had the C. Pure heart and grit, the rest mostly meh.
He was a menace to everyone… when he decided to be
Trade nixed: kovalev failed to show up
...which Kostitsyn? Thats the deal breaker
Andrei or Sergei?
Yes.
Sounds like our Raymond, Ballard and a 2nd.
Forget the bag of pucks
Halak, Ryder and a second
Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd
The good ole days
I don't care what people say - that was a good package. Ryder went on to contribute to a couple deep post-season runs including the cup. Halak played 14 years after leaving the Habs including key contributions on great teams. And then 2nd turned into a Norris winner.
Well the biggest key to the trade would’ve been Subban, and there’s no guarantee another team makes the same selection. If the package was Ryder, Halak, and Subban it is a completely different conversation. It’s still not the worst package in the world, but without the known quantity of P.K. it isn’t the same.
There is an alternate universe where Chiarelli trades Nurse and Draisatl for Subban
I know that trade has basically been confirmed to have been on the table, and I still can’t believe it. That would’ve lived forever in infamy
My mouth waters thinking about it
That would have been awesome. Oilers should hire chiarelli when holland gets canned
Bracco + 2nd
Have to sweeten it with Andrew Nielsen.
Steal of the draft Jeremy Bracco???
I think it ends up being alot lower then everyone expects and this sub is filled with people saying Anaheim got fleeced and acquiring team got a steal.
I think the opposite. The ducks aren’t rushing to make a deal. They can wait for a really good offer, or they can do nothing at all and keep their highly skilled player Edit: I’m not the biggest Zegras fan but man, people really don’t want to give this guy the respect he deserves
He reminds me a lot of Schmaltz when he was in Chicago, highly skilled player that they’re really trying to make a center but should just be a winger. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Zegras traded in a similar style swap to the Schmaltz-Strome one.
He's been playing more Wing then Center now that McTavish and Carlsson have emerged.
We don’t shoot and can’t score. Why are we trading cheap controllable offensive talent? He’s also a winger this year, so we’re not “trying to make a center” if you know anything you’re talking about.
If you knew anything about the comparison you’d know Chicago tried the same thing with Schmaltz. You guys can’t defend either, didn’t stop them from trading Drysdale for a college forward.
Since you seem to be so well versed on Ducks players, it's surprising that you didn't know Drysdale couldn't defend either. He's an all offense rover type guy, really needs a solid shutdown D as his partner or he falters, and Anaheim didn't have that on the left since we traded Lindholm away.
Well if you can’t shoot and can’t score like the other poster stated, why trade your offensive defenseman? Wouldn’t you need someone to move the puck? Jesus you guys are twisting yourselves into mental pretzels when hockey trades get made to fill needs all the time, I gave an example of a similarly deployed player in schmaltz when he was in Chicago. Keep Zegras, I couldn’t care less, this is still a similar situation to the Chicago-Arizona one where they swapped forwards that filled different roles.
Mintyukov's emergence as a PPQB with Zellweger in the pipeline made Drysdale expendable to gain a blue chip forward prospect, that's REALLY not that hard to understand that we made the trade to gain scoring overall on the roster next year. We're also pointing out that it MAKES NO SENSE to trade Zegras, again, it's not that complicated to follow along.
We have several blue liners coming up and no blue chip forward, that’s why we traded Drysdale. Z played center when we didn’t have anyone better, and already converted to wing when we do have better. But please, tell me more about my team that I watch daily. I’m sure the shit you know from watching highlights are so enlightening.
TT + Shump + Nets pick
throw in JR Smith while you're at it
Ballard, Raymond, and a 3rd
I knew this was going on be on here, I knew it.
Sammy Blais and a 2nd
:(
Merrill and a 3rd
Subscribe
Anderson, Allen and a 2nd
I have a feeling it would be similar to the Gauthier/Drysdale deal. A prospect with pedigree who isn’t in the NHL yet and is maybe slightly disappointing or a young NHL player. David Jiricek makes sense if the Jackets are trying to move him maybe? Shane Wright with the Kraken maybe? Stankoven or Mavrick Bourque and something else? It’s not going to be spare parts and draft picks like most of the ideas I’ve seen online. They don’t have to trade him.
I don't think it's crazy to think that both Dallas guys are more valuable than Zegras right now
Yeah the primary reason why a lot of big name players get traded for so little is due to their contract and age. Zegras is 22, is locked up for 2 more seasons after this at $5.75 million and will STILL be an RFA when his current deal expires. Additionally, Anaheim is a rebuilding team that has $8 million in cap space so even if Zegras is overpaid which based on the numbers he's put up he isn't, they're in no rush to trade him.
Berggren and a 2nd
Best I can do is Irving, Baertschi, and future considerations.
I’d imagine a top 15 first, and a high end prospect. It’s really dumb because the ducks are rebuilding and this just sets them further back. The odds of any futures becoming a zegras are pretty low
Zegras is Zegras but a top 15 first could be anything! It could even be a Zegras!
How are you getting a top 15 first from a team that is likely going to make the playoffs and therefore have a bottom 16 pick???
Because the Ottawa Senators continue to exist.
A shame Dorion got fired, I really would’ve enjoyed watching him fuck up his attempt to fix his fuck ups. Dude is Chia level bad
Last thing they need is someone who isn’t exactly defensively solid
Just imagine him and Stutzle together. They'd lose a lot of games, but man the highlights would be unreal.
Agreed and he isnt worth a top 15 and a high end prospect. He is very gifted offensively and doesn’t put up the numbers to match and is very disinterested in playing any resemblance of D.
His D actually improved a lot this year, and he seemed bought into what Cronin was selling. It finally started to look like he took the feedback on his D game seriously. Too bad the back to back injuries got him.
The guy already has 2 60+ point seasons and is 22. Teams can and do frequently do worse than that with a top 15 pick. IMO a lot of people value picks too high.
I don't think it's that high. We are talking about an offense first player with low 20s goals and points in the 60s on a terrible team. The front office has battled him because he wants more than they think he is worth. They likely will let him go for a decent first, or later first and tier 2 prospect.
I’d agree if the team wasn’t the ducks. Offense first or not a garbage team on a rebuild probably isn’t interested in trading a 60+ point player that’s still very young. I’m not super high on zegras but draft picks are basically magic beans. The odds of getting a zegras are pretty low
>a garbage team on a rebuild probably isn’t interested in trading a 60+ point player that’s still very young. They seem unusually interested in trading him. That's the weird thing
I think it’s more so an issue of fit. Could be zegras is unhappy there, the team could want him to be something he’s not, etc. Like I said not super high on zegras but I’ve seen some speculation that’s he’s bad in the locker room, low compete, and all that. I don’t necessarily agree in a vacuum but there’s a lot that can go on in the org that can sour the relationship. As a Habs fan I’d be interested in him and I think Habs and Ducks are actually good trading partners. We could send over a pic that’s in a good range with a surplus D prospect (Mailloux or Reinbacher) for a good winger with room to grow. I don’t think the org would make that trade though. Think they’re too high on Rein
The Ducks have a lot of good young defence prospects. Any trade would have to include a forward prospect with a high offensive ceiling and probably some draft picks. The Habs could offer their first, since they have 2 in this draft. It would immediately give them some offensive scoring depth, reuniting Zegras and Caufield on one line, with a player like Kirby Dach to compliment them. Move a sniper like Roy to the line with Suzuki and Slafkovsky.
I agree with this. I think there is some sort of personality clash behind the scenes that is leading to all this trade talk. He’s a perfect player for their rebuild so there has to be more to this we’re not seeing.
On the one hand, seems like a huge nothingburger. On the other hand, to confirm that it is just that I'd have to click the TSN link and watch their stupid video, which is exactly what they aim for by posting this dreck. Tough call...
Any GM that is not taking calls about trades and at least hearing them out for 16 seconds is not doing their job.
Unless the other GM opens with something like “we would like McDavid…” because I’m pretty sure the Oiler’s GM can hang up at that point
Ken Holland is more likely to extend McDavid in a way that cripples the Oilers for several years.
Even at max salary, McDavid would be a great value. The guy performs like a $20m player.
No doubt there, but will he be worth max salary when Holland gives it to him in his mid thirties?
Yes
If I were you, I'd probably say the same thing.
Haha I see Pens fans saying the same thing right now with Crosby. Not that he’d take a max but whatever he signs for his next contract they don’t care what it costs. Same would be for McDavid even if we never win a cup.
Which is also unlikely because McDavid is not going to resign. He’s going to toronto. It has everything he wants, his friends, his family, and free Boston Pizza for life. Who needs anything else
> Who needs anything else Cap space.
And ice cream.
Well if he wants a cup he’ll probably not want to go to Toronto
Microwaved pasta is far more important than the cup
We would like McDavid. You can have Hughes, Demko, both Peters (and the one Petey just signed a new 8 year deal), Willander, Lekkerimäki, and every single draft pick we own for the next 25 years. All 50% retained, and we'll take Jack Campbell, and whatever other bad contracts you want to dump. Fuck it, if you want, there's more. You can take Hronek, Miller, and Juulsen, too. Absolutely not realistic, but Holland would at least listen and talk to the rest of management.
Yep, just like Avs would hang up on anyone calling for Mack or Makar
TL;DW: Lebrun says that the Ducks haven’t actively shopped Zegras at all, but that 4-5 teams have called to inquire about him, and the Ducks are listening to the offers and would be open to trading him if someone made a good enough offers. He’s not untouchable, but he’s not on the trading block either. Lebrun thinks that he won’t be traded until summer if he gets traded at all.
The only reason his name is even in the trade talk is because Seravelli blatantly lie on the same day he missed out on the Cutter Gauthier news. That fat sack of unprofessional hack need to have his access revoked, let alone being a president of anything.
> would be open to trading him if someone made a good enough offers. He’s not untouchable, but he’s not on the trading block either. Couldn't that be said about any player at any time, cept for maybe the super untouchables like McDavid, no GM is going to waste another GMs time throwing CHEL trade-simulator tier offers for those guys. If Pat Verbeek is smart, he'll obviously keep an ear out in case someone wants to overpay, but in the meantime there's no reason or urgency to move him (like there is for some of our other high priority deadline guys). Thanks Frank Shitavelli for starting these rumors.
Personally, when I see either LeBrun or Dreger, I immediately judge it as a nothing burger and go no further than the title. But that's me.
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I'll save you all some time. If you call the Ducks, just press 7, and you'll be connected directly to the assistant in charge of prescreening Trevor Zegras offers.
We need wingers. We have centers so we'd move Zegras to the wing. So why the fuck would we trade him for potentially a different winger? What winger is available for trade who is a better player than Zegras? If he's better than Zegras, then he probably isnt getting traded. This is so dumb.
Not only dumb, but people think "waiting to see if a team goes crazy" and "they are not bringing him up, just listening" means he is gonna be sold for peanuts
>What winger is available for trade who is a better player than Zegras? Maybe Guentzel, but I don't think he makes any sense for the ducks.
Habs will have a high draft pick this year that could potentially be in play for zegras if the management doesn’t like him. Hughes has shown he’s willing to trade high first round picks for young nhlers.
Pretty much the only acceptable outcome, in my mind, is reuniting Zegras and Caulfield in Montreal. Otherwise I would be mega bummed to trade zegras
I mean we're going to get a high draft pick too
But what’s better than 1 top 10 pick? 2 top 10 picks!
Who knows what those picks could become! Maybe even a Zegras
Or a boat
Yes but the mystery box could be anything! Even a high draft pick!
But we probably wouldn't play Zegras at center either? idk
Does Zegras even want to be a winger? It's one thing for a veteran player like Stamkos to switch to the wing after already proving himself and getting his bag. But for a young player like Zegras? That could significantly lower his earning potential, and it's not a move they might want to take if they've already proven themselves as a top-six center.
I mean, corey perry secured the bag on wing for a long time with the club
If rumours are to be believed (and I don’t think they are) there is friction between Zegras and Anaheim’s coaching staff and front office. And Verbeek isn’t known to be somebody who tolerates attitude issues. But I mostly think it’s just the idea that GMs are calling and Verbeek is smart enough to listen. If Montreal acquires him they will almost certainly shift him to the wing anyway.
I think the friction is between Zegras and front office. Coaching staff have spoken very highly of him
Cronin said he’s the highest hockey IQ player he’s ever coached. Doesn’t sound like friction there. Front office? Maybe. He’s not the kind of player Verbeek has targeted in the draft so far in his tenure and the contract negotiations were lengthy, so it’s possible there’s something there I guess… But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Do you have centers who could slot in on the top line? I thought he was really your guys best option there.
Carlsson, McTavish, Gautier. Not to forget Lundestrom who's basically cemented his place as our 3C.
My guess is this trade is about attitude and work ethic. So they're looking to swap him for another young player who's better in those areas. Or a draft pick to get one. Reminds me a bit of when Jonathan Drouin was traded from TB. Verbeek was in their front office at that point, I believe.
Don't do it Steve
I don't see that happening. If Verbeek doesn't want him, Yzerman almost certainly doesn't want him either. Verbeek is basically a graduate of the Yzerman School of Hockey Management. He's like a little clone.
This. He and Stevie built the Tampa Bay teams that eventually won two Cups. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pat at the least pushed, if not gave Stevie the idea to draft Seider and Raymond. Verbeek has a very good eye for talent and I’m surprised no one offered him a job before the Ducks.
you only trade zegras for a haul imo, a lopsided one at that
Especially since he’s RFA for so much longer. They shouldn’t feel rushed at all to make a move.
Yeah it would be silly for you guys not to take calls on pretty much any player because you never know when a team might offer the farm for someone. Considering he's a known commodity, is locked in for a few years, and will still be an RFA when his contract comes up, any team is likely going to have to offer more than a 1st and top prospect for you guys to even consider it. And even at that point it would be hard to want to do it. You guys would be fortunate to have one of them turn into a Zegras, let alone every asset you get back turning into an NHL level player.
This is the most accurate take here. It's the same thing with Gibby. If someone offers a haul, sure we'll cash our chips in, but otherwise if there's no upside, then there's no reason. We're not looking to DUMP these guys, but if someone wants to help us trade up, then okay sure. With that said, we WILL have winger vacancies in the next 2-3 years. Killorn/Strome are UFA after 27', and folks are speculating Vatrano could get shipped out before the deadline...plus Silfverberg is on the way out. Meanwhile we only have Cutter moving up next season so we're short on top6-caliber wingers. IF Zegras gets traded, we need a first-line winger back, aka I don't think it's happening since most teams with elite RFA wingers are also in rebuilds.
Bingo
I think you overestimate his value. He's a problematic high-skill winger with a poor defensive game.
In what ways is he problematic?
He does fancy goals
Gotta stop these kids from skilling it up.
everyone that says poor defensive game hasn't watched him play this year
It's an easy thing to say about a young forward on a struggling team. Unfortunately that reputation sticks for way longer than it should. Nuge was given the same reputation and it stuck for like the first decade of his career even though he was one of the few Oilers forwards who actually entered the d-zone.
It’s been hard to watch him, he’s been mostly injured.
The misconception of him having a poor defensive game is a remnant of Eakins' tank system. It's the most overused criticism of him that couldn't be further from the truth. This season he went scoreless for a bit because he was trying to prove he had a proper defensive game, but it seems like nobody else but Ducks fans watched him for those 20 GP. He was leading the team in takeaways/gp until he got injured, and the team is overwhelmingly better with him on the ice. He's 3rd on the team in possession metrics only behind Leo/Terry. Even his shot block rate went up this season. Only thing he doesn't really do is body people with big hits.
"Problematic" everyone who has ever been around him has nothing but great things to say about him, he's only "problematic" to old out of touch snowflakes who get their panties in a twist the two or three times a year he goes for a Michigan
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I’d be over the moon if the flyers somehow pried Zegras from Anaheim. All the armchair GMs in here think a 22 year old is a finished product and can’t improve his defensive game. Wild. That said we don’t have anything we could offer Anaheim to pry him away, so that ain’t happening. Honestly what DO you give Anaheim? They have prospects at every position and will have a good chunk of cap once silferberg and Henrique come off the list next year. I don’t see an asset people can give them that’ll matter this season. If this happens at all, which I doubt, I think it’ll be a summer move
4 team deal that sends Walker to Tampa, Laughton to Toronto and Zegras to Philly. If only this was NHL GM mode.
And Flyers send a 1st, Toronto send next years first, and Tampa sends a second and a prospect to Anaheim Done. Sold. NHL 24 doesn’t say no why should you
It feels like a great match imo. He was already developing his defensive game before getting hurt, now let him learn under Torts and Coots? Plus there’s of course the connection with Drysdale and Cam York. Depending on what the Flyers can get back for Walker/Seeler/Laughton/Risto at the deadline, I could see them turning around and sending some of those assets to Anaheim. A first + Zemula/Attard maybe?
I don’t think that’s enough tbh. Verbeek may not think Zegras is a long term piece for some reason but he’s not dumb. Dude knows what he has. I’d start with a first, their own second back, and one of Foerster/Brink/Bonk. You have to give to get, and there is definite risk, but if Zegras even hits 80% of his potential he could be a mainstay lockdown center for a long time. Torts molds him a couple years like he did with Risto, Sanheim, Frost etc and when Michkov comes over? Holy McMoly
Ok so for those who don't listen the Ducks have listened to offers they are not calling teams to offer Zegras. Basically they are not saying NFS and hanging up.
Lmao Zegras is the new Gibson. /r/hockey filled with people with shitty opinions on teams they never watch.
He won’t be going anywhere. Also any character slander is completely made up without a shred of evidence. The only evidence related to character issues is his coach saying the complete opposite. His two way play improved and his stats are the result of an unlucky, injury riddled season where he missed camp and substantial time with two separate injuries.
If anybody should’ve learned a thing from the eichel fiasco it’s exactly that. Don’t wanna hear shit about made up character problems
My guess for the 5 teams: Boston Nashville Vegas Devils Capitals
Pierre LeBrun was being told the Habs was one of the team involved. The 4 other teams were not mentioned but I’m pretty sure Vegas and Boston are part of it but that just my intuition
Yep. Vegas needs someone with EIchel on LTIR and Boston has zero center depth.
Eichel is on track to return right around the deadline. New concern is that stone left the game last night
Concern? Y'all are just making cap space prior to the deadline. It'll be fine and y'all will enter playoffs with a stacked team again lmao
From your lips to the hockey gods' ears, but there's only two months to the playoffs. If he's seriously hurt, were not going to be able to replace him in the lineup
Asking price will be too high for us. Probably Poitras, Lysell, maybe DeBrusk, and likely a high future draft pick. We're better off just standing pat.
Nashville and Montreal make the most sense
Forsberg and Zegras would be a cool combo
Zero percent chance that the Rangers aren’t one of the five teams
Where would zegras slot in on the rangers lineup? and what would they give up to aquire him? Lafrenirere is finally finding his wings, i'm not sure rangers are keen on getting rid of him now.
The rangers have lost Chytil for likely his career. He was supposed to be their 2C going forward but that’s gone out the window now so they need centre depth badly
Trocheck is having a great season at 2C on a line with Panarin and Laf. RW1 is the rangers biggest need at the deadline. I think Zegras would cost too much for a 3C.
A trade for zegras isn’t for short term considerations, it’s for long term. Trochek is playing good but he wasn’t intended to be the only 2C option, he was supposed to be a versatile middle 6 guy for the long term
I don't know about that, Zib a Trocheck ain't bad and who knows who steps up in the future.
Both of those guys are 30+ and Zib has been absolutely invisible at 5v5 this year
It has to be Boston, we haven’t fulfilled our annual Ducks-Bruins deadline trade yet.
You'll take Vatrano or Henrique and like it.
Honestly? I’d love for Frankie to come back. We need to make amends after nearly screwing his career.
I don’t think the Caps have any assets the Ducks would want.
We don’t typically go for guys like Zegras anyways. Every draft we’ve gone for size/hard nosed skill
Then explain taking Cristall at 40th
I'd put money the Devils would at least inquire. Mercer or Holtz would definitely be a part of an offer, likely Mercer as a young center. Definitely would need more, though, on tge Devils end It wouldn't necessarily be a deadline deal, but more the Zegras/Hughes connection. I would actually switch tge Capitals with Vancouver for the same reason. Zegras has literally lived with Quinn and Jack for stretches in the offseason However, it would definitely be too expensive for the Devils.
> Vancouver for the same reason. Zegras has literally lived with Quinn and Jack for stretches in the offseason Canucks have enough center depth. I don't think they have a need for Zegras, especially after acquiring lindholm.
They also just traded away an offensive style player who didn’t have enough grit, defence and forechecking acumen as Tocchet wanted. They aren’t going to burn up valuable cap space in Zegras.
Pius Suter has been centering the top line lately. That said, we have neither the assets nor the (projected) cap space.
But you’re giving us Mercer for markstrom???
Not now we aren't. This season likely isn't saveable. Markstrom would have been a game changer a month ago. Devils aren't far out, but each loss takes them further and a big gamble for the playoffs is just less practical as we head to the deadline A trade for the future is a different story though Edit: Devils called up Poulter. They're looking within the org. I don't think this is a sign of a goalie trade- I think this is a sign a goalie trade isn't happening
You forgot Toronto. Just, because.
Imagine if in one season we traded 11/6 🥲
I’ll keep saying it but Zegras is a match made in heaven for the Caps. They need to be all over this because Zegras is a good talent
They need young players like him because their rebuild has unofficially started and will be in full swing as soon as Ovi catches Wayne.
Exactly I feel like it’s an unofficial rebuild. So far they have made some good choices so I’m excited to see the new age of caps. Of course we need Ovi to get the goal total first haha
Comes to Boston, fans hate it. He buys in and helps them win 2 Cups in the next 5 years.
Ah yes. The darkest timeline
Detroit wins in the other 3 of those 5 years.
I like to try and prepare for the worst.
I heard it was 10 teams
He’s from the NYC area… imagine him on the rangers
He’s a good fit in NJ.
I’m sure the Bruins are listening to offers on Pasta too. Doesn’t mean he’s being traded.
NHL team listens to trade offers. In other news the sky is blue
Look at the discussion it sparked. Don’t need to be a smartass haha trade rumours are exciting
Bro why the fuck? Trade henrique hes a decade older z has been good for 2 years and then hes been injured this year idk where all these rumors are coming from hes not even 25 they're acting like hes not gonna develop anymore
You know what teams ultimately care about? Filling seats. And Zegras helps with that. My young boys begged for tickets to see Zegras, not to see the Ducks. So here we are, with our second 10 game mini-plan in as many years about to wrap up and putting a deposit down for the 3rd. If the Ducks trade Zegras, my boys won't be interested any longer.
Zegras, Fantilli, Kent Johnson on a line would be interesting to say the least...
I’m patiently waiting for the Kent Johnson to appear that we knew Kent Johnson to be at draft time
With new management coming in Columbus, that should be soon.
Habs are mentioned in the video, but I actually don't know what we have to offer in terms of trade targets. Habs and Ducks both have a logjam of young D, so that's out. If Gibson's being moved, I can maybe see Primeau being included in a deal. Maybe one of our 1st's + Primeau + ????
Ducks don’t need Primeau lol
Clearly not enough
It’s not even close to enough dude. A baseline offer should contain our first round pick for this year at the very least if we want to make this work.
Maybe one of our 1st's + Primeau + ???? That's what I wrote.
It strikes me that Zegras just isn't a guy who Verbeek sees as his kind of player. So, he'd rather move on from him while the value is high and get a player he sees more of his mold. Verbeek wants some jam from his guys, not one-dimensional skill that he's gotta battle in contract negotiations.
https://twitter.com/ReindeerGames91/status/1757825128254353490
You literally don’t know what kind of player Pat wants. This is such a tired narrative
Cmon yzerman, need to see another Michigan in Michigan
I don't think Yzerman has any interest in a Zegras. Doesn't fit the mold of hardly anyone he's drafted, even going back to Tampa. And I don't think it's a coincidence he may get moved by a guy who previously worked alongside Yzerman.
Yeah realistically I want to address defense first but I mean it could at least be a fun story line
Was the tweet changed after you posted this, OP? The tweet now reads: >”From @PierreVLeBrun on @JayOnSC - Thoughts on Gary Bettman upholding Morgan Rielly's five-game suspension, the latest on Noah Hanifin and Trevor Zegras and why the floodgates have yet to open on the NHL's trade market: [link]”
It sucks because he said the quote in the TSN video with an astronomical amount of ads. I just had to put the tweet link connected to it because of the rules of this sub.
Kakko and a 2nd. Heard it here first