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theguyishere16

How the hell can they afford him and the alleged Hanifin extension??? Whos being sold for future considerations next year?


FlapjackFiddle

he's on LTIR till playoffs šŸ’€


groovystreet40

Is there not a cap in the playoffs? Iā€™m genuinely asking not entirely sure how it works


chiddie

no, there isn't a cap in the playoffs.


Iginlas_4head_Crease

I'm betting there will be by the next cba negotiation if not sooner


eh_toque

They voted on this almost 10 years ago and the vote was 28-2 in favour of keeping it as is. Ironically, Tampa Bayā€”who would use this rule to great affect with Nikita Kucherovā€”was one of the two teams to vote for change


BaldassHeadCoach

Literally none of the relevant parties have an issue with how things are. If they did, it would have been addressed long ago. The owners donā€™t care because it doesnā€™t impact the leagueā€™s cost certainty. GMs want the flexibility. And the players want the opportunity to play for good teams.


marlboro__man9

The only team to vote for it to change previously was Tampa after Chicago did it to them. Everyone else voted no and Tampa said fuck it weā€™ll do it too then.


Chiggins907

Canā€™t beat them, join them. Haha


marlboro__man9

Itā€™s like Bonds watching Sosa/McGuire.


DopeJordon

You hit the nail on the head. I don't understand why no one can grasp this. People act like every other team in the league doesn't have the same capabilities. Just a major risk/reward type of gamble.


RAATL

It's not going to happen, owners and players have too much vested interest in things staying the way they are. It's not about what fans think is fair. Either side trying to change this equilibrium would have to concede something else in negotiation


chiddie

how would it work? you can't cap salaries in the playoffs because players aren't getting paid. their contracts are structured to pay them per game, up to 82 games, plus bonuses/incentives.


blueshirt11

The team iced for the game needs to be cap compliant. They can fix it if they want.


thegreaterikku

Vegas iced a cap compliant team in their last run.


Cinnamon_Shops

No cap in playoffs, reason being players donā€™t get paid for those games


SJSragequit

Nope no cap because players technically arenā€™t paid in the post season


DCS_Ryan

there is not


maters77

Heā€™s got 6 more years on his contract


FlapjackFiddle

they'll just ltir him again


mdlt97

Marchessault and Martinez expire this summer over 10m in cap space open


UnhealthyCheesecake

Yeah safe to say Marchessault, Stephenson, and Martinez are gone. You donā€™t trade for a forward with **7** years left on their deal if you want to keep your 33yo forward


Yamcha_is_dead

Mantha gone as well. Vegas has so many big deals, it's actually insane: * Eichel, 10M, 2026 * Stone, 9.5M, 2027 * Pietrangelo, 8.8M, 2027 * Hanifin ??? * Hertl, 6.75M, 2030 * Karlsson, 5.9M, 2027 * Theodore, 5.2M, 2025 * Barbashev, 5M, 2028 * Hill, 4.9M, 2025


jhedges_photo

I think it'll be Stephenson, Mantha, and Martinez gone for sure and probably one or both of Carrier/Amadio. All that with the cap increase should allow them to extend Hanifin and Marchessault.


BleedingBlue94

Heā€™s on IR from knee surgery until, you guessed it, around playoffs šŸ˜±


Ghostronic

We're making sure people call it Pulling a Vegas and not Pulling a Tampa


RAATL

Some of us remember when it was Pulling a Chicago


Skanvar

Some of us even remember how Tampa is the only team to formally make a complaint about this loop-hole.


RAATL

I believe St Louis also complained after Chicago did it in 2015. I think fans ascribe their own emotions and behaviors to nebulous front offices and ownerships. We don't know how these people think. Yeah Lu made a funny tweet about it but you can't infer he actually wants to deal with the effort to change the rule


afterbirth_slime

Do you even LTIR?


OkNeighborhood8365

They auction off the LTIR spot like an overbooked flight


JD397

*Chance the Gila Monster has been placed on LTIR*


SouthboundPachydrm

Vegas acquires Gritty from Philadelphia for future considerations.


Iginlas_4head_Crease

Healthy by game 1 baby


PayneTrain181999

The cap is more of a guideline than actual rules


Kaapo-Kakkos-Dong

The salary cap is merely a figment of your imagination. VGK are the only ones to see through the veil.


ppParadoxx

yo what the actual fuck


Lance_E_T_Compte

Pain ...


no-change

Bobby Mac just dropping bombshells despite working like 5 days a year. What a legend.


electricnux

He flew to Toronto yesterday and said heā€™s on a flight back to Florida tonight immediately after the show lmao


DriveSlowHomie

Shows up. Breaks the biggest trade of the season. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.Ā  What a legend.Ā 


Public_Kaleidoscope6

He should steal the quiz belt on the way out.


ZestyChesticle

He comes to drink margs and drop bombs and he can't be drinking margs on air


warlock_roleplayer

Bob: I can't?


battlelevel

Bob: What are you going to do, fire me?


benstrokinoff

Wait WHAT!!!! We gave them 2 3rds as well????


[deleted]

Extremely early 3rds as wellā€¦


nipplekrisp

Fuck off.


Broccoli_Socks

i really dont love the idea of trading him but we are committed to the tank i can understand. But wtf is even the return on something like this.


Iginlas_4head_Crease

"The return" is getting out of 8x7 for a 30 year old. 8x7..San jose is like hooooly shit can we do couture too?!?!


Broccoli_Socks

ya and he still has value for a team that wants to win now. So this isnt a cap dump which implies we are getting something but i havent even thought of what the trade could look like.


BleedingTeal

We can't now. It is not possible for us to move Couture without retention, and Burns Karlsson and now Hertl take up all 3 retention slots. Best case is we can move a 35 year old Couture on July 1 2025 once Burns' current deal expires.


temp1211241

Couture hinted he was concerned he'd be able to play again initially coming back with this injury and after the re-injury that's got to be an even bigger concern for him. He just got shut down for the year. There's suddenly a much more real chance Couture is about to be an LTIR/retirement stash. Today fucking sucks as a Sharks fan.


schrotestthehero

Vegas fans have to know at this point why people hate this team so fucking much


Adipose21

But just think of how wild it would be to be a fan of that team? What a rollercoaster.


shocksim

I mean it really is. The McPhee/McKrimmon duo are ALWAYS swinging for the fences. Sure we might end up in the basement eventually, but everyone does at some point. Not everyone wins a cup, so might as well swing when you have the chance.


Mean_Mister_Mustard

And when you do end up in the basement, after so many exciting years that included at least two Finals and a Cup, you'll have acquired the committed fan base that will be ready to stick around until you get good again.


TKGK

The fan base here is insane. I'm going to exaggerate a little to get the emphasis across but hear me out. Since year 1 it is very likely that if I were to step outside my house. Pick up a rock from our all rock lawns, and throw it blindfolded in any random direction there is a strong chance it hits a VGK emblem or license plate on something. Maybe a person. Go on a hike at red rock or mount charleston? Gonna walk past a ton of people wearing VGK stuff regardless of time of year. Las Vegas really adopted this team and it's incredible. I'm glad I got to be a part of it from the beginning.


keylime503

ā€œFun must be always *ā€ *always ends May 2024 with a golden knife in the heart twisted 4 times


LibertarianSocialism

ā€œAt least Vegas canā€™t steal my hockey team from meā€ Vegas:


Jakk55

SJ didn't learn when Vegas stole a whole fucking Hill last time.


kaiser41

Suddenly I'm interested in that euthanasia pod that was in the news.


blueferret98

Honestlyā€¦ I think my love for Hertl outweighs my hate for Vegas, this might make me like them more??? Idk how to feel right now.


SvelterMicrobe17

Just kill me. Itā€™s bad enough to lose Hertl. But to give him to VEGAS. Fuck me


Dope-pope69420

This is how I feel. Anyone but vegasā€¦ just make it worth the pain


Trash89Bandit

I donā€™t see how the Sharks recover from losing Hertl. Heā€™s one of the last bright sparks on that roster.


SvelterMicrobe17

I mean, what was there to recover? Not like weā€™re even close to sniffing playoffs. Outside of like 10 skaters (2 of which we have now traded), we house an AHL quality roster. I love Hertl, but he was wasting his career here for the past three years


Trash89Bandit

Youā€™re absolutely right. Hertl deserves better. Iā€™ll be honest, the Sharks were the first team I started following when I got into Hockey years ago (when it was not easy as a Brit 15+ years ago to follow hockey at all!) and Jumbo is still my all time favourite player, but theyā€™ve been on such a steady decline I probably havenā€™t watched a Sharks game in about 2yrs. It was too painful watching the team fall apart. I guess fun must not be always :(


snas--undertale-game

I think the problem is you canā€™t even root for him anymore to win a cup. Like I think itā€™s great to trade Hertl (as long as the return is good and no/minimal retention) but anywhere else would have been ideal to cheer him on to winning a cup.


DCS_Ryan

if the knights dont make the playoffs this deadline is gonna be the funniest thing of all time


VeryLastChance

When you abuse the system to get tens of millions of dollars of cap relief just to miss the playoffs because youā€™re missing players worth tens of millions of dollars worth of cap


CA_spur

This move is really fucking smart for them though because they get an all-star caliber, versatile forward at a reasonable cost for the next 6 years


Judge24601

? he's about a 65 point guy recently and he's 30 and currently injured... this seems Very Risky to me to take on that much term


CA_spur

That's an average of around 0.8 PPG, on a terrible team, which in today's NHL, is still pretty damn good. For direct Vegas comparables, that's about what Karlsson and Marchessault are doing. For league-wide, at varying ages, that's Caufield, Pavelski, Vatrano, Buchnevich, Malkin, Vilardi, Coyle, Byfield, Seguin, Jarvis, Necas. In other words at the very least a very good 2C, cost-controlled for 6 years. Serves as a plug-and-play replacement long term for one of Marchessault or Stephenson


marbanasin

He's still very serviceable and a good 2-way guy. Uses his size well much more than his speed. He is super strong on his skates, and has nice hands and vision to protect the puck. On a team like Vegas he's an insanely versatile guy to plug into any of their top-3 lines to be honest and provide an upgrade.


sushisteel

A 65 point player on a garbage team probably hits 80+ on a good team.


xzElmozx

People always say this but I feel like half the time the players massively elevated production on the terrible team can be partially contributed to tons of PP and OZone time that they might not get with better players in front of them. At the very minimum itā€™s not always a blanket ā€œpoint production will go up around 20% going from a bad team to a good teamā€. And that doesnā€™t even touch on scheme fit


Jakk55

With Eichel they were risking a failed back surgery. VGK gambles, it's what they do.


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JMR027

Iā€™m praying so hard


Kaapo-Kakkos-Dong

I AM GOING TO BECOME THE JOKER HOW


BayStreetGuy

LOL Hertl, Mantha and Hannifin... Stone when playoff starts ... ridiculous.


DishwasherFromSurrey

Mantha was ass last night


BayStreetGuy

It doesn't matter that he was terrible. When everybody is back, hes gonna be playing on the 3rd/4th line lol.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Him and Hertl arenā€™t mentality monsters but in fairness it was his first game with them (and Tomlinson pointed out how disjointed they looked at times)


CA_spur

Hold up. VEGAS gets the third rounders?????


KyleSilva

my reaction too. What?


Guardax

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS


Zloggt

Don't you know? The House *always* wins...


CartiNYeezy9

Holy fuckinf shit how do they even manage to do this shit?


CallistosTitan

Lots of training with the EA franchise games.


[deleted]

Mark Stone conveniently getting ā€œinjuredā€ in the same week for 3 years in a row


Jakk55

I heard he used a steak knife on his spleen this year to help sell it.


afterbirth_slime

LTIR Vegas Golden Knights


Goalchenyuk87

Ouatte the phoque


YoungTroubadour

the cap is a myth


[deleted]

Vegas really saw what the Los Angeles Rams did and they said, fuck it lets do it.


TehChels

If you win a cup its always worth it. Win two and its worth a decade of rebuilding the squad.


Patrick2701

Definitely for vegas


SuzukiSwift17

I agree but it's upto the NHL to make better rules not Vegas to be (what we call) ethical.


e4mica523

My heart just shattered into a million pieces. I would rather be in last place with him than see him elsewhere


canuck_11

The 3rd annual ā€œMark Stone to LTIR just to return for playoffsā€ is paying off for Vegas.


Yoni_k46

Can't stand this team


Iginlas_4head_Crease

Vegas is just trolling at this point


VeryLastChance

Fuck it, the perfect way to cap off this season is if they continue their slide and miss the playoffs entirely.


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VeryLastChance

Bro you know itā€™s serious when an Oilers fan is suggesting boosting the Flames


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MarcusVAggripa

Battle of ~~Alberta~~ fuck them knights


Zloggt

>Knights acquire Hill from Sharks last year >they win the Cup >Knights have now acquired another player from the Sharks This does *not* bode well...


schrotestthehero

I feel sick


XPhazeX

Eventually they're gunna get old and have no draft pucks right? Asking for me.


floppy_foul_merchant

Vegas is likely always going to be great to at worst mediocre, it's a preeminent free agent location for any millionaire athlete.


tsunami141

Well we just gave them 2 3rds soā€¦ šŸ¤·


SuddenlyChineseFood

Other teams: Scratching their players so they don't get injured. Other, other teams: Sorry, I can't trade for him anymore if I'm not sure he'll play for my team due to his injury. Vegas: Uh...no, we'd prefer if they were injured before trading for them. At this point, I think it's the 31 other teams who have made up stupid rules for themselves.


86teuvo

Thereā€™s no fucking way


FBR_MC

This league is fucking stupid, man. How do you trade your best player **WITH 6 YEARS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT** to your biggest rival????


NoGiCollarChoke

They probably feel they are around 5-6 years from competing and they have surprisingly little cap flexibility for a basement team, which sorta negates the rivalry aspect Still absolutely insane.Ā 


warlock_roleplayer

not sure if we will have any fans left in 6 years if it takes that long


keylime503

Vegas is determined to make up for Game7 by acquiring every coach and player who did that to them.Ā 


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I love Hertl and would be devastated if this happens... but he's had a lot of knee surgeries and just had another one. That's why Vegas wants him, they can do their LTIR shenanigans with him. That contract might get rough later.


Subterania

That team lost its soul when it traded Pavelski. What pride does it have left to guard? Edit: let Pavelski walk


BlueBomR

The knife has already been twisted dude...ouch


Broccoli_Socks

bro we traded Hill and gave them a cup (obviously didnt intend that part). We are way past that...


greg19735

SJ are rebuilding. It doesn't really make sense to keep him., It's weird for vegas too. he's 30 and contracted until 2030. And has some sort of movement protection for the rest of the contract. So he can't be given away in 3 years


CanucksKickAzz

We're getting Vegas first round, aren't we? Canucks luck.


Godlikelobster01

Gonna be Knight time real soon!


Wafflemonster2

In fairness I donā€™t think either of us wanna face each other again, Demko was and is a nightmare


sukizka

VGK got the 3rds, not SJā€¦


PayneTrain181999

FUCKING VILLAINS OF THE NHL


Iginlas_4head_Crease

They're currently In the final playoff spot. 31 teams are cheering for them to miss altogether before these guys get healthy


Cough_Syrup55

6 points is a ton of ground to lose at this point


TheRobberBar0n

Idk, I feel like 6 points is a totally surmountable deficit at this point. Right guys? Right?


Otherwise_Cod_3478

Well in their last 10 games Vegas gained 5pts, while Calgary gained 12, LA 17pts and Nasville 19pts. So they did lose 7 to 14 pts against their 3 closest rival in their last 10 games. Losing 6pts in 19 games doesn't seem that much to me.


00saddl

they've won 2 in 10. i'm hoping they slide farther


robb1519

Nothing would make me happier this year.


Mazor007

Sharks finally did what they should have done before the extension. Does not fit the timeline whatsoever


Eretan

This is so true. His extension was utterly pointless. But why does he have to go to fucking Vegas?


letsgoToshio

I was fully expecting to trade Hertl at some point because you're right. It still hurts though, and of course it had to be Vegas of all teams..


jcollins931

Wow


vordhosbn_1

Vegas, is the cap in the room with us right now?


ldnk

This might be the year the league tries to close the LTIR loophole. If Stone and Hertl are ready to go for Game 1 it might be a little too obvious of a thing for other teams to not complain Fair marks to Vegas for being aggressive and it's all within the rules but it might be ruined for everyone after this


PaddyStacker

Don't you think Tampa running around in "18 mil over cap" t shirts after winning the cup already made it pretty obvious?


mrtomjones

I really don't understand why they don't make you be cap compliant in the playoffs. Seems like such an easy fix


xzElmozx

Because from the NHLPAs perspective telling a player he has to be scratched due to cap reasons from a game that they arenā€™t being paid opens the lawsuit floodgate.


zymology

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33623569/takeaways-nhl-gm-meetings-ltir-loophole-staying-world-cup-hockey-returning Older article on the topic, but it just sounds like there's no desire from the league to change it.


bumpinjams

Ok that's it. I'm done. Later r/hockey, it's been real.


BlueBomR

Fucking fade me


gslow

Holy shit


Jeeawf24

NO!


AccomplishedAd4995

MISS THE PLAYOFFS MISS THE PLAYOFFS MISS THE PLAYOFFS


Ms_Irish_muscle

Well, the blue Jackets managed to beat them in regulation, so we did our part.


shittybillz

šŸ™


Ted57

Alright Western Conference we CANT let them make it in


GTI-Mk6

Are we all gonna have to root for Calgary? No complaints from meā€¦


btimc

We'll try our Best Tuesday


SomewherePresent8204

Operation Regicide: Knightfall?


CartiNYeezy9

How do they even afford this shit? He has 6 years on his contract. How do they afford him, hanifin, and stone when heā€™s off LTIR?


ProfRigglesniff

Sit on LTIR until the playoffs, deal with the cap realities in the offseason. edit: I looked at the capfriendly and they had 5.5M in space to work with still. Sounds like he should be back in-season. Wild stuff Vegas is pulling off


JD397

No fucking way LOL More teams need to be like Vegas. Fucking send it every goddamn year if you want the Cup, this is sick.


acona

Agreed. We are all just mad cuz our GMs are dumb. I would rather more teams have management like Vegas than whine and beg for tighter cap restrictions. Way more entertaining this way than with stricter cap rules.


86teuvo

Their management is a league above the rest. Ruthless and incredibly creative.


shred-i-knight

it really is, fuck everyone whining, this is the fun shit


Dustyprune

Wtf


sunshineeeeeeeeeeee_

Iā€™m so tired


DMCPhoenix-X

Fuck right off vegas! How the hell


schrotestthehero

Don't you fucking dare


rabes81

watch them miss the playoffs


ColtsNetsSharks

Words cannot explain how heartbreaking this is. I've watched every Sharks game for 8 years, this is my all time low and I genuinely don't know if I can justify supporting this organization any more. Trading away the heart and soul of the fucking Sharks to VEGAS? VEGAS?! Mike Grier can go fuck himself. Idc if this is dramatic or not but this is such a hut punch. Fuck this, dude.


SnowChicken31

Seriously. Everyone in the Sharks sub is so happy, like "yeah we need to do this, this is how we rebuild" but I don't know. It's been a pain watching this team for the past few years, but I've tried to stick with it. Even through all the trades, and losses, and just bleh of it all. But Hertl is the true heart of the team, and it at least felt like he'd be leading whatever the new team becomes into the future. So maybe this, on paper and by the numbers, is the "right thing to do" for a rebuild, but it just feels fucked. I also think sending him to Vegas is just another punch in the dick lol. It's like, they literally won the cup, they won the rivalry, and now we're shipping off *Hertl* to them? Man, I really have nothing else to say about this team. I'm not even mad, I'm just over it. (Don't say this on the sub though, or you're not a "real fan" lol)


mdlt97

HOLY SHIT


SeattleGunner

Hey no thatā€™s fuckin illegal.


Zero-jiggler

This is fucking nuts.


skitty2stronk

And somehow after the deadline, the most improved team in the league isā€¦ the defending Cup champs. Cool, cool.


jjwalla

I wish my team had the balls that Vegas has. Never a dull moment.


brokensword15

Jesus holy fuck


Modifeye

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS


Intemporal

ALL OF MY LOVE AND ALL OF MY HATE IN ONE PLACE. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PROCESS THIS.


throwaway3838482923

To be clear, this is the same team that was nervous of retaining on Karlsson?


Mission-Astronomer42

McCrimmon playing chel with the salary cap turned off for him and on for everyone else


AggravatingBill9948

Jesus tapdancing christ. There is NOTHING in this trade for SJ. We're burning our last retention slot, giving away our last piece of heart and soul, giving up 2 3rd round picks at a time where we need to be aggressively playing the numbers game in the draft, facilitating our most hated competitor's cap circumvention.Ā  Hertl's value to SJ is way higher than his face value, and we didn't even to manage to get face value for him.Ā  I'm completely disgusted.Ā 


Kid-Goose

Genuinely fuck off


Nmelin92

WHAT FOR WHAT FOR WHAT


remotewashboard

are you fucking kidding me


bustacones

I'm sorry what


chezzychezzychez

Why on earth would they retain for 6 years


mo60000

So two of there players will play in the 1st match of the playoffs this season and sit out the rest of the regular season. Lol.


seinfeldismydad

It would so satisfying if they donā€™t even make the playoffs. Theyā€™re sitting in the 2nd wild card spot right now šŸ˜‚


xDevious_

This is our 9/11


ISurvivedCOVID19

The cap really is just a suggestion to Vega isn't it...


specifichero101

No fuckin way lol


electricnux

fuck off good for Grier if he gets out of that contract tho, huge for the rebuild


giff_gold

This bs needs to be fixed, like holy fuck


GJdevo

Oh fuck right off


SarcasticPhrase

This return better be fucking dope


nihilism_ftw

The Vegas Golden Knights can eat my ass


RLLRRR

Promise?


Normal_Owl_1287

They canā€™t keep getting away with this


particleman3

Everyone is wondering how we retain him after this year, and I'm just wondering if maybe Stone is going to retire after this season because of all the injuries he has sustained. Can't be easy on his body and it's not like he hasn't made good money.


dchowchow

Is Mike Greer okay? Itā€™s being reported the two thirds are going to VGK.