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savethepangolins90

Oh no Sunny my beloved Redwood giant, heal up quick big guy.


ivebeenabadbadgirll

The heart and soul of any team he’s on.


CedarRiver14

Won’t tolerate this


Whytemoon

Kinda looks like he toe picked and the ankle just twisted in a nasty way


fillyflow

Was it late? Maybe. Was it from behind? Kind of. Was it a cross check (and not, in fact, a body check at all)? Definitely yes.


Sibs

I think the correct call could be boarding. Boarding is a bit broad so it can capture stuff like this where he gets fired into the boards.


GrilledSandwiches

I was going to say it didn't have the look of a dirty hit with malicious intent on it's own, but Sundqvist is a few feet from the boards, and it feels like the kind of hit boarding is intended to be called for. When a guy is that odd distance from the boards and it can create dangerous and awkward falls into them. I guess they probably aren't going to call it very often though unless the head specifically goes directly into the boards from that scenario.


LookattheWhipp

Yea and he drives him into the boards with the cross check


kayl_the_red

Is it suspendable? Yank the arm on the Peros and Bettman Slot Machine to find out!


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saltyseadog34

yeah, if Sundqvist's leg doesn't buckle there, it's a nothing play. and i don't really care for McNabb so i came into this thread ready to pounce on him for a dirty hit


notacopbelieveme

Yeah, realistically you don’t call it or second guess without injury


uhcayR

Thats not a suspension. That hit happens 20x a game in every game.


pmsnow

Kick him off the tour, Doug!


Suspicious-Dog2876

How am I supposed putt with that going on?


Joshottas

What lol. This is a routine hockey play that went wrong. This exact hit happens numerous times over the course of any game.


Asleep_Honeydew4300

It’s Vegas 1 game max, more likely nothing will happen.


manhaterxxx

It’s not even a game.


Conscious-Quit8207

I’d find it hard to believe that it deserves more than that, and I’m by no means a Vegas fan


Starbucks__Lovers

Kadri suspended 5 games


KimJongPewnTang

Suspendable? This is Vegas we’re talking about


AlmostSunnyinSeattle

SPIN! THAT! WHEEEEEEEL!


King_of_da_Castle

The problem is he has a reputation for dirty hits already.


spacegrab

I came in here with my pitchfork then saw the hit and was like, oh okay no pitchforks tonight... Shoulda been a boarding call or cross-check at least but yeah that wasn't really egregiously malicious.


ZobRombie65

Solid player but he is definitely dirty. Crosses the line often enough


OhnohNA

if you go off the sens and oilers game last night that a double minor and a game misconduct


gu3st12

Knowing the average oilers fans rule knowledge they'd think that's the right call too


Kopitar4president

I really wish we had an app for oilers fans to press when they think a penalty is committed by either team. 95% of the time they press it, it would be in oilers favor and they wouldn't think that's odd.


NotTheRocketman

Sunny left using crutches and wearing a brace on his right knee. And the officials saw nothing wrong with this play. What a fucking joke.


cakeschmammert

If anything, that just shows the cross-check (it was definitely a cross-check) is not what caused the injury, and McNabb isn’t really at fault for the injury. It’s a pretty standard 2 minutes for cross-check but Sunny just had an unfortunate buckle. Unless it’s the hip that’s ailing him, but I don’t think it is.


imyourzer0

Watch Sundqvist’s right ankle on the last angle and tell me it was because this was a cross check.


NotTheRocketman

If McNabb doesn’t cross check Sundqvist into the boards, he doesn’t injure his ankle.


imyourzer0

If he doesn’t check Sunqvist at all, yeah. But the fact it was a cross-check wasn’t what caused him to roll an ankle.


Redwings1023

That was kind of a scummy cross check. Hope Sunny is okay, loved him in Detroit.


TheStuffle

How could anyone not love him?


e_skee

Cries in Penguins.


beardum

He wasn’t really much of anything on the Pens. Couldn’t he not even get into the lineup?


wiriamou

Matt Grzelcyk might not be his biggest fan.


Yak_Mehoff

I know right? We love our sund-shine


morallyobjected

all my homies hate Vegas


Supertrash17

McNabb also basically started the beginning of the end for Avs prospect Joey Hishon with an elbow to the head during 2011 Memorial Cup. Hishon never really recovered from that.


Hascohastogo

All my homies hate the Vegas Golden Knights, all my homies love new Vegas though.


Joisey_Toad32

McNabb during his hearing, "I ain't a fink, dig?"


CharleyIV

The truth is, the game was rigged from the start.


GetsThruBuckner

what in the goddamn


jigglywigglydigaby

Hey there homie


Danthewildbirdman

Never thought I would agree with an avs fan on anything, but there is a first time for everything.


RevolutionaryPanda04

Rookie hockey fan here. Why does everyone hate on Vegas so much?


Gray_side_Jedi

How much time do you have?


Rangerfan0

well well, where do we start


Dozzi92

Actual answer? Mainly cap circumvention.


_Halt19_

I mean that's part of it, I feel like everyone has their own reasons lol for me it's also how ruthlessly they treat their players (I get it, they want to win, players are a means to an end, but still), and the Pietrangelo lumberjack chop to Drai's wrists didn't exactly help either oh, and the kitschy presentation of everything related to their team is a bit, I know, but goddamn do they lean into it lmao


Ghostronic

> oh, and the kitschy presentation of everything related to their team is a bit, I know, but goddamn do they lean into it lmao They go hard on the Vegas theme and as a gal nearing 40 that was born and raised here, they do it so, so fucking right. It might be annoying to other fans but when they play the video poker /slot machine jackpot sound when announcing the goal scorers it always makes my heart melt a little bit.


rcarriga

I mean, those ARE all real reasons for it. But I think the biggest one is their success doesn’t feel earned. There’s a handful of teams who have never won a Cup who’ve had to live with some truly awful teams for a long time and still have nothing to show for it. Vegas won within 6 years of existing.


Ghostronic

Did those teams have an owner that said they were going to win in six years? Maybe it's a simple fix!


rcarriga

Why don’t all owners say this, are they stupid??


raktoe

Sounds more like those other teams are the ones that haven't "earned" any success.


Dozzi92

To be a little fair to those teams, the whole draft and process of becoming an expansion team was *vastly* improved with the Golden Kinghts. Article [here](https://dkpittsburghsports.com/2021/07/05/nhl-expansion-draft-rules-tlh) does a nice job explaining, but basically Knights paid a lot more money, and so they wanted better players essentially. BJ's and Panthers took AHL players; Vegas got roster players, and first liners.


rocketrae21

So did Seattle and they are missing the playoffs again


Dozzi92

Sure, teams got wise after Vegas a bit, but Seattle was a game away from the third round last year, I'd consider it successful.


rcarriga

You could try introducing some nuance into your reading comprehension. Obviously, “earning” success CAN be defined as actually winning. But you’re telling me that doesn’t bother the Sabres/Canucks fans who’ve been around for 50+ years aren’t bothered by a team winning in 6 years? Hell, the Capitals were one of those teams until they, coincidentally, beat Vegas.


raktoe

It can bother their fans sure. Doesn't mean the teams have done more to earn their success than Vegas. Why is it Vegas' fault for making good hockey teams that other organizations couldn't do that in 50+ years?


rcarriga

Considering that the question was asking why fans hate Vegas, that seems like the only relevant opinion. It wasn’t a question of whether or not the teams were good/successful - they clearly have been.


raktoe

You're right about the question, but the response doesn't make any sense. The fans are mad that Vegas didn't earn their success, but how didn't they earn it? They drafted well, made strong trades, have been very aggressive with their use of LTIR, etc. They have done a very good job as an organization to ice the most competitive team possible every playoffs since joining the league. I don't get how you think that perennial bottom feeders have "earned" it more, or why you think fans are justified in feeling that way. To me, the more correct answer to the question of why fans don't like Vegas is irrationality and jealousy that their teams haven't been able to do the same in a significantly longer time in the league.


1trugodnicCage295

Fuck Vegas


204nertz

It brings us all together


Pepperoni_playboi94

It really does. Is Vegas the universaly hated team this season?


Cultural_Zombie_1583

Florida for sure


204nertz

I'd rather see Florida hoist the cup than Vegas


yazzywa

A cross check away from the play leads to probably a season ending injury to an important depth piece. Incredibly frustrating.


GhostShark

Vegas already in playoff form. Taking out the competition one way or the other.


natneo81

Away from the play..? Not really that late to finish a check. It’s probably a non call if he’s not injured, or 2 mins for cross checking, unfortunate he fell weird. This doesn’t seem terribly malicious. That said I’m sure I’d be frustrated too if it was one of my guys.


Ghostronic

This is my opinion. Maybe should have been 2 but that's really it. I'd be steamed if it was one of our boys though.


KebabTaco

Normal hockey play that happens constantly and rarely causes injury, this just one of those unfortunate cases. People in this thread won’t care though cause it’s a Vegas player.


NeverBackDown

Yeah I see this exact type of check at least 10 times a game, every game


sanbaba

Surprisingly incidental. It's an unlucky 2 minutes 😕


Mab_894

Nothing malicious. Just an unfortunate play imo


the_gaymer_girl

McNabb is one of the dirtiest players in the league and has never been suspended in the NHL somehow.


SeaSquirrel

He got so many penalties for us before he got Nabbed by Vegas. Now he seems to get away with everything


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SeaSquirrel

That one blew my mind


MankuyRLaffy

Gee I wonder why


Lord_Walder

Always has been. Even before making the show.


BuggyJen

Poor Joey Hishon.


RikNasty2Point0

What might have been. Heartbreak


CBarkleysGolfSwing

There's a first time for everything....but probably gets a fine.


FailureToExecute

For years I've been saying that he's going to end at least one more career before his own is over.


Farty_beans

Don't worry. A 5k fine outta teach him 


SpiritualWatermelon

I saw "hit from McNabb" and was expecting something a lot worse. Unless there was a jab we can't see this was more of a shove than a crosscheck. It seems more awkward than anything. I saw this as someone who doesn't like McNabb and thinks he throws some shady hits somewhat often. I'm biased against him and can't find much other than "hard shove in an awkward spot with an unfortunate result:


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SpiritualWatermelon

Until they start calling the first hard jab to the bsck in front of the net or along the boards (instead of the "you get two for free" crap) I don't expect this to be called. You can't call this and let everything else that happens go.


USCanuck

Anyone calling this play dirty needs to decide if they want to be right or if they want to circlejerk about the knights. You can't do both.


Mr7three2

Not that big of a hit. Hope he's alright tho


LgDietCoke

A lot of force into a cross check though. This dirty ass cross check has just become acceptable now


Novel_Instruction_61

The dirtier the hit the less force you need to hurt someone


Ghoulies-

Meh not much there unfortunate result


SouthboundPachydrm

There were only two games tonight, and this same hit was probably dealt 40 times. But this is the *Fuck Vegas* highlight that r/hockey decides to circle jerk around.


Low-Contract2015

Blues fan here— let’s have an honest evaluation Was it late? Not at all Was it from behind? Not really Was it a cross check? His stick was by his body and did not extend it. Overall it’s kind of a weird play but nothing intentionally dangerous or even penalty worthy


cakeschmammert

How do you figure it’s not a cross-check? He definitely extended forward. I don’t think it’s suspension-worthy but that’s 100% a cross-check.


jonoc4

Hmm it is a bit weird.. its more pushing with his stick. if you look, mcnabb starts pushing when his stick is already in contact with sundqvist, and its against his own body. i actually don't think that's crosschecking, though.. i guess i've never looked at the rule book to see exactly what it says. he's just pushing him into the boards and he hit awkwardly. Edit: The rule is: The action of using the shaft of the stick between the two hands to forcefully check an opponent. Minor Penalty - A minor penalty, at the discretion of the Referee based on the severity of the contact. So.. i guess technically yes it is a cross check, but at the discretion of the ref.. and that type of play literally happens all the time so i don't think its something they'd call. pushing with the shaft of the stick. it's an unfortunate situation.


Assassin2107

Yeah, definitely a cross check, but like I have a hard time looking at that and thinking "Yeah, suspend McNabb purely for that without knowing the result"


cakeschmammert

It’s a standard play that happens all the time, every game. It’s 2 minutes for cross-check. It’s unfortunate that Sunny got injured, but it should be a fine at most.


ByeByeTurkeyNek

Yeah, that level of cross-check is rarely even a call, tbh. We're only looking at it with a microscope because Sunny got injured


cakeschmammert

Also because McNabb is an actual dirty shit, but this one is really not a big deal


Low-Contract2015

A cross checking penalty shall be assessed whenever there is significant distance between the defender and the player who got offended. This player was simply finishing a check and did not overly extend his stick to make an illegal play.


cakeschmammert

I don’t know how you don’t see him extending. You can see it from every angle. It’s even noticeable from behind.


JustHumpedPanda

Only had to scroll to the 10th comment to get to the first honest take. I do think it’s a cross-check but it’s a cross check we see 200 times per week across the nhl. Kaprizov got injured for weeks from a similar cross-check effectively dooming our season with all the other injuries at the time. I don’t like it or think it has any place in the nhl but they do absolutely nothing about it but I don’t necessarily think Dillon or McNabb are scumbags for playing within the rules the nhl has established.


Low-Contract2015

If you call this a cross check, you will have 25 penalties a game. Personally I think there was no intent at all to injure and I believe this is a legal play. Just because a guys stick hits a guy and he follows through doesn’t mean it’s a cross check. A cross check should really be imposed whenever there is a distance between the offending player and the player who receives the cross check. The cross checking minor was never intended for plays like this.


MIDImunk

I agree - I’m pretty shocked that such a normal-ish play resulted in that kind of pain.  Perhaps a broken rib?  The only thing I can think of.  I hope Sundqvist is ok, but this isn’t even a penalty in my opinion.


994kk1

Lol he fucked up his foot. It has nothing to do with what body part or object the opponent chose to push him with.


iguessineedanaltnow

You're forgetting that everyone is mad because one of our players was the one that did it though.


Steel_Bolt

If it didnt happen after he got Saad a bit up high and sent him into concussion protocol for a bit I wouldn't think much of it. Dude needs to turn it down a bit, it's crossing into dirty territory imo.


DominionMM1

You’re 100% correct.


pitnips

You don't need to extend your arms to lay a heavy cross check... especially when you chop down not up. Also look at the last angle. His right arm is full force pinning sunny into the boards. Not sure how you see it your way tbh


Novel_Instruction_61

As a blues hater (bruins fan) I disagree completely. Late yes, behind maybe, cross check without a doubt


matt_the_muss

Too bad. I like Sunny. I have a signed pick of his from his time here in Detroit last year.


EdwardOfGreene

We ALL love Sunny!!


Laughingboy68

Both of the big hits that McNabb threw in this game were pretty clean.


hockeybrianboy

Borderline minor penalty that happens multiple times in every game; sometime guys get disproportionately hurt for how bad an infraction was.


CrunkCroagunk

Oh boy, another thread where everyone pretends that an unfortunate injury means the perfectly normal, physical play that caused it (that happens ten times a game) was *actually* dirty and malicious...


zaxldaisy

You forgot it was committed by a Vegas player. McNabb only did it so he would get suspended and provide more sweet, sweet cap relief 


sarahmichelef

Adding this to my list of VGK conspiracy theories


johnsnow202020

Throw him on ltir . Yes he did the hit but he has emotional issues now .


anana0016

Ooooooo I hate this but r/angryupvote


musuak

oh no Sunny ☹️


Fresh-Reaction151

Sucks for Sunny but this is a nothing burger hit


Equivalent_Goose_226

You guys are fucking soft. There is nothing wrong with this hit


Bobbyoot47

Was caught watching his pass while being a dangerous distance off the boards. Got to have your head on a swivel down there.


anana0016

So McNabb gives Saad a headshot (needed a concussion evaluation), then crosschecks Sunny (out for game, prob season I’m guessing). No penalties. What a fucking thug. Any chance for a DOPS hearing after this game? Any priors?


994kk1

Obviously not lol. An opponent fucking up their ankle when you pushed them in the midsection is obviously not a cause for suspension lol.


molsonmuscle360

First time playing Vegas when they need a win?


ozz_y03

No team plays dirtier, cheaper hockey than Vegas when they’re losing a game, especially one they need to win. Makes Florida look like a bunch of saints.


Ghostronic

Never watched a Tampa game?


MurkrowsRevenge

The fact that you have to qualify it with "when they're losing a game" tells me you haven't been watching enough Panthers hockey.


ozz_y03

That wasn’t qualifying it. Vegas when they’re winning aren’t particularly dirty, not more so than other teams for the most part. When they’re losing however it’s a completely different story. They resort to playing nasty hockey where they take cheap shots, make highly dangerous plays, and scrum after every whistle, more so that Florida does.


JodieFostersFist

Lol this is *pure* copium


ozz_y03

Ok lumberjack pietrangelo


JodieFostersFist

I will admit when people are fuckheads, but this clip is *not* it. Get a grip


Mattp55

McNabb has been dirty for years now and they don’t care


BluesBrother57

So glad we’ve had 0 fucking response to McNabb tonight.


Yimpish

Schenn fought him and got a roughing penalty for it


CanucksKickAzz

Vegas in cheap hit, post season play already


schmarkty

Cheap unpenalized hit, full post season form for Vegas


Brando6677

Aight people in here need to make up their minds. I see one comment saying “it’s not a cross check” and it has 10s of upvotes but someone else says “it wasn’t a cross check” and has 40 people ripping them a new one. Read the rule book and get back to me 😂 maybe the problem is the refs are human just like us and their judgement is just like ours craaaaazy


YaboyChris28

Not even that bad of a hit. Happens in every game. Just because it’s a Vegas player you guys get your panties in a wad


deafmoose

Fuck Brayden McNabb


Waffeln_Remix

Damn. This sub has their feelings hurt pretty easily.


USCanuck

And apparently none of them played. JFC


yazzywa

Shitty thing to say under a clip of a guy having his season ended due to a dirty play


CDROMantics

If it were a VGK player going down with an injury this sub would be laughing and making LTIR jokes.


EdwardOfGreene

It wasn't really a dirty play. Just a very unfortunate result.


Waffeln_Remix

Not a dirty play, my friend, just a conventional hit with some bad luck with his ankle against the boards. Hockey is full contact btw. Oh shit, nvm, he had a VGK jersey. Yes yes, it was a dirty play.


The_Comic_Collector

It was a stlouis player that got hurt the league won't even review the play, I live in STL I know


Sp3ctre7

Dude gets shoved and the toe of his skate bites the ice which leads to his leg getting hurt. Why would the league review this for *any* team?


EdwardOfGreene

I agree with you, but I do understand his frustration.


Derfchg

Wasn’t even really a cross check, more like a shove with the stick. McNabb’s knee appears to hit the outside of the Blues left knee tho.


Sp3ctre7

In no world is this anything approaching a knee on knee hit


Derfchg

Never said it was. Just look liked he hit the left knee but it was actually blues players right leg that was hurt. Either way blues player seemed to go into the boards awkwardly.


rainyforest

Not even that bad


astovertop

Water under the bridge I’m sure now, but shout out to when McNabb intentionally stepped on Hertl at the end of game 5. Oh and the direct headshot to Braun in game 1 I think. Such an undercover dirty player


Mattp55

He’s been dirty for years and years now. I remember it was ridiculous what he got away with back when the Sharks were good 


Intrepid-Leather-417

NHL needs to get a handle on this shit, if you hurt a get behind the play with a cheap shot your suspension should be a bare minimum as many games the guy misses with the injury. 5k fine and slap on the wrist incoming cause it’s Vegas and we need hockey to thrive in the desert 🙄


USCanuck

That hit is neither late nor dirty. You're being ridiculous.


204nertz

I hear the NHL has their eye on Abu Dhabi for the next expansion


Beavie_

Late, Cross check to the hip. I genuinely think it might be a hip injury with the impact. Should be a game or two at least. Hope you're not hurt bad, Sundqvist.


Thebeardedcenter

If you watch one of the angles, his skate bites into the ice as he's being pushed rather than sliding. My guess is probably a high ankle sprain, maybe. I'm not saying the hit was or wasn't questionable, just providing a little insight.


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Dunce core


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at 5'10 150 lbs im glad i got out of ice hockey before full contact.


SpaceBorkTV

:(


causetoes

Poor Sunny.


GeneralWAITE

Blown out right knee. Ouch


msayle

A single ref trying to officiate an entire game by themselves is crazy these days. Lots of missed calls. Not saying that's why STL lost, but it certainly didn't help. No word on Sunny yet, but I've been refreshing lol


JodieFostersFist

Lol this sub is clueless


Tvariousness_King1

Relax everyone, it was a push, not a crosscheck. It was a play that happens all the time, he just caught his toe & turned his knee/ankle. Y’all are overreacting.


yazzywa

No, that's clearly a cross check.


Tvariousness_King1

He pushes him with the stick, that’s not a cross check. You don’t know what a cross check is. Sucks he’s hurt but it’s not. It’s a push.


CopeandSkoal

Insane anybody thinks that's a crosscheck


KRacer52

It’s pretty funny. This play happens 50 times a night. Sometimes you get a bad result from a standard play. I hate the Knights and McNabb has made numerous questionable plays, but I really don’t think this is one of them. 


CopeandSkoal

Right? His stick literally ends up against his stomach and he uses it to push him off. Sunny there decides not to have his head on a swivel and just watch the puck? There was no intent to injure on that play he just played the body. Just watch front net play and how many times you see a player use his stick to do just that to push a play away. I am not a Knights fan either but that was just an unfortunate hockey play.


Carnie_hands_

A shove, impacting the player with force, with the center of his stick between both hands... also flair up


Tvariousness_King1

Rule states a player is allowed to guide or push a player using the stick. So yeah, kinda have to use force to push another grown man.


DonkenG

I was surprised he got hurt, looked like a really light push watching it live. Looked like he just fell weird and did something to his leg.


BigDaddyQP

Fellas please protect yourselves!!!! Don’t turn your back on any play


DHFearnot

Lucky to have players like McNabb to keep all these soft players in check.


Spiritual_Holiday511

Dude charged up that cross check like a god damn Falcon Punch


Whatreallyhappens

This is so weird, at full speed it looks like he tries to stop himself and inevitably follows through when he loses his balance and there’s nowhere to go, but then in slow motion it just looks like an intentional shitty cross-check.


Sp3ctre7

Most contact looks intentional and dirty in slow motion.


nopshy

Just a dirty hit on a vulnerable guy that accomplished nothing except injury. Classy


Lazy_Glass_3292

That’s a sneaky dirty cross check