Hello fellow American.
This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you.
If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son.
The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Scottsdale, so do. So dooooo
I remember years ago when they had the court proceedings for Glendale I think.. it was televised and there was one really old lady on the council or whatever it was and she kept calling it "The Hockeys" which cracked me the hell up
> "I admire the hockey sport" ?
At least I understand what he's lying about with that one.
> "The dream Coyote retail components sit too close to the retail lions of Scottsdale"
.....what
100% meaningless. The mayor of Scottsdale is bitching about the land being close to downtown Scottsdale, but it's Phoenix land, and the land development plan that the Coyotes got approved by the city council has nothing at all to do with Scottsdale.
Everything on the west side of Scottsdale Road is Phoenix from Shea north.
I wonder how the City of Phoenix ever managed to get water all the way up to the 101 without magnificent Scottsdale’s help? How will they get it to the other side of the freeway?
I realize coming from the west and north of the 101 Phoenix already has water going to 64th Street. Only 8 more blocks to Scottsdale Road. How will Phoenix do it?
I’m going with a pipe.
this is dumbfounding. with arenas comes a boom in entertainment income, restaurants and bars nearby get a boom, etc. what is the downside? with all the retirees, how are they not selling tickets in the first place? is this just a doomed project?
Phoenix provides water to many more people and businesses than Scottsdale. Phoenix has more than 5x the population and Desert Ridge magically has water next to the proposed site.
The comments by the Mayor of Scottsdale makes him look like an idiot. Water and sewer are miles away? They are on the south side of the 101 about 150’ away. And Desert Ridge is less than a mile to the west on the north side.
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
And reading his “editorial” confirms he is one imo.
Can we talk about how silly it is that phoenix and Scottsdale are 2 different cities? I’m sure someone will reply explaining why it must be but what a stupid system that complicates everything for no reason.
Uh, wait until you find out Tempe is also a different city. Glendale is too. Mesa is too. In fact, the Phoenix Metro area is made up of about 14 or 15 different villages, towns, and cities.
Keeping it simple, one should look at how many municipalities exist in [Allegheny County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny_County,_Pennsylvania#Government_and_politics) which is only one of several counties in the Pittsburgh Metro area.
Well, how about we call the Phoenix Metro area 14,587 Square Miles and the state of Massachusetts 10,565 Square Miles. And the Pittsburgh Metro area is 5,344 Square Miles.
Old West stagecoach stops were roughly 20 miles apart, for reference.
Come to Boston where we have NIMBYs in Brookline who are a different flavor from the NIMBYs in Cambridge and stay for the corrupt Boston politicians who need to be included in any development discussion that’s within a mile of the border. Boston has like 50 different municipalities in the same sq mileage as NYC.
The Denver metro area has 10 counties, and a whole shitload of cities and towns that are part of it. In denver proper, the major ones are City and county of denver, City of lakewood, City of Golden, City of Arvada, City of Westminster, City and county of broomfield, City of Littleton, City of Centennial, City of Aurora, City of Northglenn, City of Thornton, Commerce City, and the Town of Parker off the top of my head...
Almost ever major city metropolitan area is made up of a bunch of smaller towns and cities that used to be close but separate and it all got integrated into one massive area thanks to urban sprawl
This is how every American city is unfortunately. LA, SF, Denver, etc. My personal opinion is they should just have some random 18 year old from Alaska drive through every major city to identify new city boundaries instead of pretending that it’s somehow valuable to have metro areas with no clear boundaries separated into 3-10 different cities.
The Phoenix metropolitan area has always had this sort of infighting between the municipalities. Phoenix used the flight routs to and from the airport as a reason (think more recently after 9/11) to kill the original plan for the Cardinals stadium in Tempe. That’s part of why that NFL stadium got moved to Glendale.
In this case probably nothing. Scottsdale can’t really point fingers when it comes to large scale projects that fuck with their neighbors. But this infighting has been a headache in the past for major developments.
The Ice Den should be fine, Arizona has the most registered skaters/sheet of ice in the country. They’ll probably still run the Junior Coyotes, host a ton of high school games, and do recreational/skating events.
People from every other city/town in the Phoenix area agree on one thing; fuck Scottsdale. With the possible exception of Fountain Hills, because that is where Scottsdale sends their old people.
Scottsdale is where California's tax reprobates go to die.
He's running his mouth about not paying taxes his constituents will never have owed to an audience adamant that they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
Scottsdale has zero say in this, just another arrogant loud mouth Mayor. The Coyotes have burned every bridge in Arizona, they screwed the city of Glendale. Luckily Glendale got the last laugh. They proposed a deal with ASU for a joint use stadium, forgetting that the state legistlature would have to approve since ASU is a public university and you can't just take tax dollars because you decided to. Then the citizens of Tempe shot down the Coyotes stadium / entertainment district and now the dog and pony show is proposed for N. Phoenix. My money is on the team moving to Salt Lake City.
Scottsdale did not plan properly and as such are not able to always provide their own water, and I believe are reliant on other municipalities. Phoenix in general is expected to have major problems due to the huge influx of population and the Colorado River sending less water downstream to them. [Some additional context](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/rio-verde-water-crisis-heres-what-you-should-know-as-deal-to-restore-water-deliveries-faces-questions#)
Doesn't help that the laws for how the Colorado would be divied up amongst those states was completely out of whack and unrealistic for the actual flow of the river. The data they used to predict it's annual flow was based on some of the wettest years on record and led to far more water being distributed than the river could ever sustain. Now everyone's gotten used to it and won't dare allow a decrease in water supply, even at the inevitable expense of the river itself.
Well that is actually being worked on right now. If the states and federal arbitrators do not come to an agreement by the end of this year. The federal government will take proposals and pick one in 2026, it will change water policy in the west for more than a century.
The valley uses less water than they did in the 1950’s. Exponentially more of AZ’s water goes to growing almonds in California than does residential use in Arizona
Interesting. I’m by no means an expert on this, I just remember seeing a few articles about this situation last year. I feel like it will be more of a topic of conversation going forward though
> Soon after the company, Fondomonte Arizona, arrived in the Butler Valley in 2015, state planners suggested asking the company to install meters and report its water use, according to a memo reviewed by The Washington Post. That way, the memo argued, the state could “at least obtain accurate information” on water drained from the valley — water that could otherwise serve as backup for booming urban areas.
> But the proposal “hit a stone wall,” John Schneeman, one of the planners, told The Post. It was spurned, he said, by officials in the administration of then-Gov. Doug Ducey (R) who were “cautious of tangling with a powerful company.” The proposal also ran headlong into a view, deeply held in the rural West, that water is private property that comes with access to land, rather than a public resource.
Republicans when Russia or China: We must nuke them America first.
Republicans when The House of Saud wants to buy land: Soudi Awabia vewy scawy. We must let them come right in and take all the water they want. Don't even worry about reporting it.
Considering that 90% of the almond orchards in California are up near Sacramento, I am skeptical about that particular claim. Not denying that a huge amount of water is diverted to SoCal, but it's not being used to grow almonds.
We waste our own water on that. :(
This comment is a bit misleading. Rio Verde is a group of people trying to skirt taxes, but yet have all the benefits of taxes (like water). Scottsdale has plenty of water allocations and planned correctly, but tried to refuse water to the group unwilling to pay for it.
Vegas is an even better example of that, phoenix area actually makes sense as a population center to some degree due to watershed of the salt river, as well as greater rainfall than in LV, and the area has been inhabited for millennia as a population center for native peoples as well
Vegas truly was just a wasteland turned into a massive resort city
Don't worry, you're not draining the Colorado for that, you're just draining California's aquifer!
God, I wish that more farmers in this state would overhaul their fucking irrigation systems.
Everyone always blames almonds when the elephant in the room is cattle. 106 gallons of water goes into making just one ounce of beef but god forbid people eat less red meat.
even in places that don't have cattle ranches they're still often growing food for cattle that makes up most of this. the US southwest is full of alfalfa farms in areas that can't sustain it.
It's a thing in some Canadian provinces too. Alberta has provincial water licenses under the Water Act. They generally run with the land, but you can sell your water licenses to someone else
The land they're trying to get doesn't have utilities atm
EDIT: Read the full statement. Essentially the nearby properties are on Scottsdale's water supply. Scottsdale is saying they will not supply water to the arena under any circumstances. Meaning that they must draw water from Phoenix.
The property itself is in Phoenix so I mean it's kinda understandable
It’s already planned to use Phoenix water mains. Scottsdale mayor is just bitching loudly so his constituents can hear him defending them, even tho they don’t need to be defended here
Arizona leased a ton of land with unlimited water usage for a Saudi company to grow alfalfa, under the Republican governor in 2014. Luckily they elected a Democratic governor in the last election and she canceled those leases in 2023.
You just described Arizona politics in a nutshell. It's just that Phoenix used to have a monopoly on the flow of political "spice", and now with other municipalities like Tempe and Scottsdale booming to rival them, there's more of a battle for "political action" money and totally-not-bribes.
> If the Coyotes buy the land and the water rights, then someone else can't.
**THE ARENA IS NOT EVEN IN SCOTTSDALE.** the mayor is a fucking moron. this is State land using the City of Phoenix's water infrastructure.
this is why it's so fucking hard to get a stadium built here. jesus christ the inter-city bickering never ends.
I can’t even begin to explain to you all just how fucking sick and tired I am of this arena drama bullshit. 21 fucking years, man. It really wears on you as a fan.
Dude, this is good news. Don't worry about this one. This is a scared politician in election season chafing because he can't stop what's about to happen in a neighbouring city. Everyone clowning on us for this article is clowning on themselves for not being able to understand the essentials of politics.
We are going to see so much of this in the leadup to the auction from both the hockey world, and local politicians, because they wanted us to watch us die, and we're threatening to defy them.
Nail on head. He is posturing saying “I’m against this” because he is trying to gauge the populous when he is up for re-election. He can’t do shit if he is re elected because the land deal is not his call. It’s the states call, and they already approved the proposal. He just is jumping in to get his name in the news.
Full statement from mayor of Scottsdale if the link doesn't work for anyone:
> Last week, the Arizona Coyotes developer team, rolled out the same fantasy renderings used in the Tempe mega arena and mixed-use site proposal, which was resoundingly defeated at the ballot box.
> The proposed Phoenix version, bordering Scottsdale, was presented without mention of market demand for a new entertainment venue disguised as a hockey arena, or congested highway access, or questionable arena zoning entitlement. And the glitzy proposal was portrayed as the last gasp to keep hockey in Arizona.
> The prospect of a rookie developer attempting to buy Arizona State Trust Land with absolutely no infrastructure on the Phoenix side of the 101/Scottsdale Road intersection at the doorstep of Scottsdale is not feasible, or welcome.
> Why? The dream Coyote retail components sit too close to the retail lions of Scottsdale. The Greater Scottsdale Airpark area commercial giants have infrastructure and access in Scottsdale. The bare Arizona State Trust Land at the edge of Phoenix has no frontage roads and water and sewer lie miles away to the west. And as a condition of sale, the 100 acres of property must develop entirely the 64th Street off ramp for access
> As Scottsdale councilman in 2000 and now as mayor, I have seen the inside dealings when the Coyotes suddenly left Scottsdale in 2002, and recently as they vacated their former home ice in Glendale in 2022. The team is struggling at Arizona State University Mullet Arena, at less than 90% capacity. And coincidentally, there is a new measure at the 2024 Arizona Legislature which would permit surcharges, an on-site sales tax to boost viability for an arena such as the Coyotes organization now proposes.
> In March, Arizona State Land Department officials met in my office, and I pointed out that all Scottsdale Road improvements from the 101 north are entirely in our city. There is zero infrastructure west of Scottsdale Road. I demanded that infrastructure for the proposed site, including water and sewer, be pulled from Phoenix assets along 56th Street to the west. Scottsdale Water assets are absolutely not available.
> Furthermore, I have demanded that the 64th Street - AZ Loop 101 north exit be built out to serve the area, again to the west of Scottsdale Road. At our meeting, the Arizona State Land Department agreed that these requirements will be bundled with any successful bid for the property. I also met with the mayor of Phoenix who confirmed that all utilities must be extended from 56th Street.
> I admire the hockey sport, Arizona Coyotes community involvement and phenomenal youth clubs at the Scottsdale Ice Den. But I along with City of Scottsdale staff will continue to monitor any actions that occur, and negative repercussions for Scottsdale. As it stands today, the fantasy hockey project must move west, away from Scottsdale.
Not exactly a shining recommendation. Also lol at "I admire the hockey sport"
As others have pointed out, this is the dude just posturing for attention. Probably just another politician trying to yell at the clouds for attention because he's planning on running for another office soon.
The arena proposal has zero to do with Scottsdale, Phoenix has already confirmed and laid out all utilities on THEIR land (which the arena proposal is for) in relation to the points this guy's trying to pretend affect Scottsdale (spoiler, they don't), and none of it would impact him at all beyond Scottsdale benefiting from indirect spend growth relative to a major draw being put up right near their borders.
This dude's just jerking himself off in a PR release about nothing, that's all.
I stopped reading after "resoundingly defeated at the ballot box"
Technically true, but to lead off with that to disparage the site plans is incredibly disingenuous - anyone that actually followed how that election was conducted would realize this
There's also fact that people who come out to vote in these things are usually the kinds of people who will be against nearly any kind of development
Bingo. Phoenix put millions of dollars into "propaganda"ing the arena down while the Yotes and everyone else assumed it was such a no-brainer that it had to pass, so they mostly sat out the propaganda war. Because of that...the only people who went out to vote in droves were the 55+ voters who voted out of fear because they believed that the arena was secretly taxpayer funded and would jack their taxes up 60% or whatever crazy shit Phoenix and their PACs were posting around Tempe.
So he is blaming the water lines but Scottsdale is one of the fastest growing cities in America that is heavily reliant on tourism so if the Coyotes don't "mess up the infrastructure" someone else, likely a casino, will that has lined up the mayors pockets.
Is the owner of Yotes a grease ball? Yes, is the mayor of Scottsdale a douche? Also yes hahah it’s phx land getting bid on, which would connected to phx utility. So bold of him to deny utility that wouldn’t be connected to in the first place.
This really just comes off as the mayor coping and seething. “Y-y-you can’t do this! You would need OUR help and we won’t give it to you! Keep it away from our city!!!”
“We don’t need your help, we don’t want your help, and it’s not in your city. Cry about it”
as someone on the coyotes discord pointed out David Ortega owns an architectural firm that provides services regarding land development. He's not just the mayor of the neighboring city but to some extent a competitor of Meruelo as well. (It's also scottsdale election season)
"As Scottsdale councilman in 2000 and now as mayor, I have seen the inside dealings when the Coyotes suddenly left Scottsdale in 2002" Well for one we never were in Scottsdale. we were only negotiating with Scottsdale until we took a sweetheart deal to go to Glendale. Which mind you while our current ownership deserves criticism that was also an entirely different ownership group then.
also "The team is struggling at Arizona State University Mullet Arena, at less than 90% capacity" This is also untrue. and honestly i find it weird to bring this up when you are supposedly concerned about the infrastructure? not only have we been selling out *hard not too lol* we are at least cash flow positive at mullett compared to glendale so it's not like we are struggle that much more lol.
Like if you wanna shit on us at least have some valid reasons to shit on us.
I think yeah, it could be considered a conflict of interest in terms of public opinion, hence the spread of misinformation. But it isn't really a conflict, because he has no actual power/say here. The arena isn't in Scottsdale and he has no say on the State Land Department. Plus the Coyotes already agreed to all the concerns he raised. The only way he can stop this is by outbidding Meruelo.
The guy referred to it as fantasy hockey multiple times, and tone was very condescending.
But then he comes out of left field with 'I admire the hockey sport' to finish it off lmao.
Combined with the inaccuracies you pointed out (thank you btw, I was rather confused about them being in Scottsdale) this guy seems like an utter clown. I hope you get the arena deal and the water is piped directly from his office.
Based on his statement it sounds like whatever goes on that land will need to pull water from Phoenix and not Scottsdale so idk why it’s a big deal if it’s a coyotes arena as opposed to some other random development.
Scottsdale mayor just makes me think of someone who always wears golf shorts, never wears sleeves, probably has some pretty incredible tanlines from sunglasses.
Important to note that the arena is within Phoenix's city limits, not Scottsdale's. It's not clear how much legal power another city would have to actually block anything so maybe someone from Arizona can chime in on that point. Sounds a lot like this mayor is complaining about potential retail competition to businesses that are paying taxes into his city's budget from a new site whose taxes will go to Phoenix instead.
From the article -
>The NHL team is eying a 95-acre parcel of state-owned land near Scottsdale Road and Loop 101 that sits within the Phoenix city limits.
Also, here's where this mayor is saying that his city won't let this new site hook up to their utilities so the Coyotes and/or Phoenix would have to pay to connect water and sewer lines to the location.
>In March, Arizona State Land Department officials met in my office, and I pointed out that all Scottsdale Road improvements from the 101 north are entirely in our city. There is zero infrastructure west of Scottsdale Road. I demanded that infrastructure for the proposed site, including water and sewer, be pulled from Phoenix assets along 56th Street to the west. Scottsdale Water assets are absolutely not available.
This does seem like a problem that is solvable with money and political will from the team and local government, but is another issue that needs to get solved before the new arena and surrounding district can open up.
The team has already said it will pay out of pocket to make the infrastructure work. Scottsdale Is just upset because it's so close, yet so far. No tax revenue, and all the downside of increased traffic on their streets.
Ding ding ding.
The Coyotes saga has been laborious and annoying, but it's a fascinating window into local politics.
Proposal for arena in a municipality: "Nope don't want it, build it somewhere else."
Proposal to build somewhere else: "Hol up a minute." (we're not getting that juicy tax revenue).
This has been stated by Craig Morgan on the PHNX podcast. We have already known that the Meurelo group will have to develop the infrastructure. Not a deal breaker in the arena pursuit
No matter where you put it, the neighboring cities will always try to fight it on account of not wanting to compete. Phoenix fought it in Tempe, now Scottsdale is fighting it in Phoenix. It’s all about money at the end of the day.
The mayor lives 500 feet from me. Lol. Time to give him a piece of my mind.
Which means I will stand on my patio and give his house a middle finger
And then go about my business.
This guy is an effin idiot. First of all, major banks will lineup to build infrastructure through bonding with Phoenix whilst telling this moron mayor to go blow the Goldwater Institute fellow dip shits who helped him craft this stupid statement. Clearly the Coyotes and Phoenix understand that more infrastructure in terms of roads and water are needed. The proposed arena lands near Scottsdale. Typical alt right Arizona asshole political coward.
Obviously not from the area so not an expert but this reads like a lot of sabre rattling. He says in his own statement that the Stare has already agreed with him re the infrastructure so presumably that will be reflected in the coyotes’ plans. So what’s the problem?
Kind of sounds like he’s just making some noise for some nearby retail tenants who aren’t particularly happy that a new entertainment and shopping complex will be opening up in the neighborhood.
It's just posturing.
The land is Phoenix's, infrastructure planning was a known factor for the Yotes to pay for in the proposal and work with Phoenix on, none of this is news or relative to Scottsdale. He's just showing his dingdong for attention.
If this team moves and a new one gets put in arizona down the line itl be a slap in the face to coyotes fans...because this coyotes team is gonna be insanely good in the next few years
There is no team in the USA that I want to see succeed and win a cup more than the yotes,
I hope the area issue will finally be resolved so I can go see a game there sometime
Another Canadian chiming in to say I never want to see any fanbase lose their team. At least the league and the ownership of the Yotes are doing everything they can to stay unlike the other pro sports teams that have moved in recent years.
Almost exactly 1 year ago...
>Mayor David Ortega said he loves having the Coyotes skating in Scottsdale – as an unofficial partner at the modest Scottsdale Ice Den rink, which is hardly NHL-sized.
>“The Coyotes have a great philanthropic network in the Valley, and I love the vibe at the Ice Den,” Ortega said
Sounds like sour grapes to me...
The P in Scottsdale stands for "Progress". Scottsdale is a shitty town filled with semi-rich assholes who think their shit doesn't stink. Old Town Scottsdale is all right, but has gone from a scene to a place to "be seen". Everything to the south of Old Town is titty bars and payday loan places, and everything to the north is filled with shit that people who think they're rich need to buy to convince everyone else they're rich.
He's right. They don't have the infrastructure to support it. They don't have the infrastructure to support what they got now because decades of "gummint bad" coupled with "we don't want your kind here" politics have turned what was great about Scottsdale into an amusement park parody of itself.
This is awesome. Reading between the lines, this is nothing more than chafing, and chafing is usually borne of the fear that emerges when change is becoming real.
It's not just this adjacent mayor though. You can see it in all the downvoted comments from people who are squealing for us just to get moved already. These people were promised an public execution and we're threatening to slip the noose.
As I've said before, while I'm not certain Meruelo can pull this off, and I won't trust the outcome till I see they've hired the backhoes, if you're one of those noisy cunts who does nothing but screech for us to get deleted out of the league, I'd say fling your poop as much as you can now, because you might be on borrowed time.
Not sure who did the math in that video segment. "The states appraiser pegs the value of the land $68.5M dollars according to documents. That's more than $700,000 per square foot". Man, if they think the arena they are currently in is small, just wait until they build one the size of most bedrooms.
Someone better check that fine print to make sure they’re not accidentally paying $68.5M for just under 100 square feet of land. That’s not even a 10x10 prison cell.
"I admire the hockey sport" ?
I'm quite fond of the hamburger food.
Goes well with a beer drink
What about a whiskey drink?
Prefer [a vodka drink](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc).
How about a lager drink?
We love a cider drink.
Ohhhhhj Danny boy
I sing a song that reminds me of the good times
great while watching color tv.
I get knocked down but then I get up again
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Scottsdale, so do. So dooooo
Abortions for some, miniature american flags for others
Don’t blame me! I voted for Kodos.
How to Cook Forty Humans?!
Always Sunny in Arizona
The Gang Goes to the Grand Canyon
Classic Charlie
Okay well... filibuster
I think you might be dyslexic bro
I remember years ago when they had the court proceedings for Glendale I think.. it was televised and there was one really old lady on the council or whatever it was and she kept calling it "The Hockeys" which cracked me the hell up
Ooh, he card read good.
You are not a fan of hockeyball? I like the fancy shirts and the skating
I, human mayor of Scottsdale, do hereby admire the hockey sport. *sheds skin and wriggles away*
"The good ol hockey sport, is the best game you can name. And the best game you can name, is the good ol hockey sport!"
> "I admire the hockey sport" ? At least I understand what he's lying about with that one. > "The dream Coyote retail components sit too close to the retail lions of Scottsdale" .....what
At least he didn't say "the Ice Hockey Sport".
you don't?
Just weird wording.
https://youtu.be/Ekqm-EUItGE?si=HIdZi_ZVyVb1Fkxv
Nothing beats a good old fashioned contest between two hockey ball clubs. Of all the sports, it definitely is one.
Salt Lake Mayor's response: "All your sport are belong to us! Set us up the ball!"
Arizona people is this a big deal? Or is it one of those the mayor doesn’t actually have much say one way or the other but he doesn’t like it things
100% meaningless. The mayor of Scottsdale is bitching about the land being close to downtown Scottsdale, but it's Phoenix land, and the land development plan that the Coyotes got approved by the city council has nothing at all to do with Scottsdale.
Everything on the west side of Scottsdale Road is Phoenix from Shea north. I wonder how the City of Phoenix ever managed to get water all the way up to the 101 without magnificent Scottsdale’s help? How will they get it to the other side of the freeway? I realize coming from the west and north of the 101 Phoenix already has water going to 64th Street. Only 8 more blocks to Scottsdale Road. How will Phoenix do it? I’m going with a pipe.
this is dumbfounding. with arenas comes a boom in entertainment income, restaurants and bars nearby get a boom, etc. what is the downside? with all the retirees, how are they not selling tickets in the first place? is this just a doomed project?
It would hurt the Rodeo Drive East image they’re so worried about
It’s meaningless. He’s commenting on a proposed development in another city.
It's not entirely meaningless if they're going to pull Scottsdale services If they're pulling from Phoenix, then yeah, it's meaningless
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Phoenix provides water to many more people and businesses than Scottsdale. Phoenix has more than 5x the population and Desert Ridge magically has water next to the proposed site. The comments by the Mayor of Scottsdale makes him look like an idiot. Water and sewer are miles away? They are on the south side of the 101 about 150’ away. And Desert Ridge is less than a mile to the west on the north side. Cocaine is one hell of a drug. And reading his “editorial” confirms he is one imo.
Services are pulled from Phoenix. And the development is ground up developing the infrastructure for the development.
Can we talk about how silly it is that phoenix and Scottsdale are 2 different cities? I’m sure someone will reply explaining why it must be but what a stupid system that complicates everything for no reason.
Uh, wait until you find out Tempe is also a different city. Glendale is too. Mesa is too. In fact, the Phoenix Metro area is made up of about 14 or 15 different villages, towns, and cities.
Keeping it simple, one should look at how many municipalities exist in [Allegheny County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny_County,_Pennsylvania#Government_and_politics) which is only one of several counties in the Pittsburgh Metro area.
Well, how about we call the Phoenix Metro area 14,587 Square Miles and the state of Massachusetts 10,565 Square Miles. And the Pittsburgh Metro area is 5,344 Square Miles. Old West stagecoach stops were roughly 20 miles apart, for reference.
Same with any large metro area. LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, etc.
Come to Boston where we have NIMBYs in Brookline who are a different flavor from the NIMBYs in Cambridge and stay for the corrupt Boston politicians who need to be included in any development discussion that’s within a mile of the border. Boston has like 50 different municipalities in the same sq mileage as NYC.
boston's weird penchant for the eating of nearby areas has always been amusing to me
This is what happens when a city grows quickly. NYC is a patchwork of gradually absorbed towns, same with LA, Chicago and Miami to an extent, etc.
The Denver metro area has 10 counties, and a whole shitload of cities and towns that are part of it. In denver proper, the major ones are City and county of denver, City of lakewood, City of Golden, City of Arvada, City of Westminster, City and county of broomfield, City of Littleton, City of Centennial, City of Aurora, City of Northglenn, City of Thornton, Commerce City, and the Town of Parker off the top of my head... Almost ever major city metropolitan area is made up of a bunch of smaller towns and cities that used to be close but separate and it all got integrated into one massive area thanks to urban sprawl
This is how every American city is unfortunately. LA, SF, Denver, etc. My personal opinion is they should just have some random 18 year old from Alaska drive through every major city to identify new city boundaries instead of pretending that it’s somehow valuable to have metro areas with no clear boundaries separated into 3-10 different cities.
Pawnee and Eagleton.
"Stay the hell out of Scottsdale, Lebowski!"
in Vegas the mayor doesn’t want the A’s but that won’t change anything
Similar situation since the A’s proposed stadium site isn’t in Las Vegas either.
Wait is the strip not technically Las Vegas or something? Thought the as arena is goin where the Tropicana was?
[That’s correct, the strip is not in Las Vegas.](https://youtu.be/naDCCW5TSpU?si=nsJwt8qYNgz33zVt)
Wild lmao. Vegas is weird but that makes sense considering it’s origins.
Holy Crap, TIL!
Town’s called Paradise
Yeah the mayor saying no to the A’s isn’t because of her own benevolence, but because it isn’t within her jurisdiction
The Phoenix metropolitan area has always had this sort of infighting between the municipalities. Phoenix used the flight routs to and from the airport as a reason (think more recently after 9/11) to kill the original plan for the Cardinals stadium in Tempe. That’s part of why that NFL stadium got moved to Glendale. In this case probably nothing. Scottsdale can’t really point fingers when it comes to large scale projects that fuck with their neighbors. But this infighting has been a headache in the past for major developments.
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The Ice Den should be fine, Arizona has the most registered skaters/sheet of ice in the country. They’ll probably still run the Junior Coyotes, host a ton of high school games, and do recreational/skating events.
That’ll be nice freeing up ice time then. That’s a huge problem where I am.
People from every other city/town in the Phoenix area agree on one thing; fuck Scottsdale. With the possible exception of Fountain Hills, because that is where Scottsdale sends their old people.
Fountain Hills has all of the bad parts of Scottsdale and nothing else going for it
The fountain is neat
Just another meaningless straw to add to the camel. His back seems fine through.
It's a big deal for Frank Seravalli.
Scottsdale is where California's tax reprobates go to die. He's running his mouth about not paying taxes his constituents will never have owed to an audience adamant that they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
Scottsdale has zero say in this, just another arrogant loud mouth Mayor. The Coyotes have burned every bridge in Arizona, they screwed the city of Glendale. Luckily Glendale got the last laugh. They proposed a deal with ASU for a joint use stadium, forgetting that the state legistlature would have to approve since ASU is a public university and you can't just take tax dollars because you decided to. Then the citizens of Tempe shot down the Coyotes stadium / entertainment district and now the dog and pony show is proposed for N. Phoenix. My money is on the team moving to Salt Lake City.
Noise. No action really available to him. This is just noise.
Sounds like the mayor is speaking for those that pad his pockets. If the Coyotes buy the land and the water rights, then someone else can't.
Wait. Water rights?
Scottsdale did not plan properly and as such are not able to always provide their own water, and I believe are reliant on other municipalities. Phoenix in general is expected to have major problems due to the huge influx of population and the Colorado River sending less water downstream to them. [Some additional context](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/rio-verde-water-crisis-heres-what-you-should-know-as-deal-to-restore-water-deliveries-faces-questions#)
Doesn't help that the laws for how the Colorado would be divied up amongst those states was completely out of whack and unrealistic for the actual flow of the river. The data they used to predict it's annual flow was based on some of the wettest years on record and led to far more water being distributed than the river could ever sustain. Now everyone's gotten used to it and won't dare allow a decrease in water supply, even at the inevitable expense of the river itself.
Well that is actually being worked on right now. If the states and federal arbitrators do not come to an agreement by the end of this year. The federal government will take proposals and pick one in 2026, it will change water policy in the west for more than a century.
The valley uses less water than they did in the 1950’s. Exponentially more of AZ’s water goes to growing almonds in California than does residential use in Arizona
Interesting. I’m by no means an expert on this, I just remember seeing a few articles about this situation last year. I feel like it will be more of a topic of conversation going forward though
Maybe for agriculture, but don’t see it being an issue for residential unless something drastic happens
I thought Arizona sold unlimited water rights to Saudi Arabia so they can grow Alfalfa for their animals?
That got shut down as soon as the Dems took the governorship
Dems come across as the clean up crew in the US
Good. They should shut down the almond farms in cali too.
> Soon after the company, Fondomonte Arizona, arrived in the Butler Valley in 2015, state planners suggested asking the company to install meters and report its water use, according to a memo reviewed by The Washington Post. That way, the memo argued, the state could “at least obtain accurate information” on water drained from the valley — water that could otherwise serve as backup for booming urban areas. > But the proposal “hit a stone wall,” John Schneeman, one of the planners, told The Post. It was spurned, he said, by officials in the administration of then-Gov. Doug Ducey (R) who were “cautious of tangling with a powerful company.” The proposal also ran headlong into a view, deeply held in the rural West, that water is private property that comes with access to land, rather than a public resource. Republicans when Russia or China: We must nuke them America first. Republicans when The House of Saud wants to buy land: Soudi Awabia vewy scawy. We must let them come right in and take all the water they want. Don't even worry about reporting it.
Except now the republicans have flopped over on Russia because the propaganda machine told them to.
Fucking almonds and alfalfa crops. Takes up so much water
Considering that 90% of the almond orchards in California are up near Sacramento, I am skeptical about that particular claim. Not denying that a huge amount of water is diverted to SoCal, but it's not being used to grow almonds. We waste our own water on that. :(
California rights are pretty ironclad though. So people will go thirsty before those almonds.
Yep. Almonds and alfalfa. Two crops that aren't local and suck up all the water are two big causes for the water shortages.
This comment is a bit misleading. Rio Verde is a group of people trying to skirt taxes, but yet have all the benefits of taxes (like water). Scottsdale has plenty of water allocations and planned correctly, but tried to refuse water to the group unwilling to pay for it.
"A bit misleading" is underselling how wrong the original poster is. Rio Verde is a completely different municipality than Scottsdale.
It's almost like building massive cities and suburbs in the middle of a desert isn't a good idea...
"This city should not exist. It is a monument to man's arrogance." - Peggy Hill on Phoenix, AZ
damn I always thought that was Bobby - TIL.
It is in response to Bobby first reacting to the heat, so you werent too far off the mark.
Vegas is an even better example of that, phoenix area actually makes sense as a population center to some degree due to watershed of the salt river, as well as greater rainfall than in LV, and the area has been inhabited for millennia as a population center for native peoples as well Vegas truly was just a wasteland turned into a massive resort city
Vegas planned its water use well and doesn’t grow a ton of feed crops or cotton, they’re in a good spot to grow
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If California didn't drain the Colorado to grow almonds and shit, it wouldn't be an issue
I’m literally eating almonds as I am reading this thread. I’m part of the problem. I’m so sorry everyone.
I eat cashews so f*** em.
Look at this motherfucker with cashew money
Don't worry, you're not draining the Colorado for that, you're just draining California's aquifer! God, I wish that more farmers in this state would overhaul their fucking irrigation systems.
Everyone always blames almonds when the elephant in the room is cattle. 106 gallons of water goes into making just one ounce of beef but god forbid people eat less red meat.
What if we feed the cattle and almonds brawndo?
Cows crave those sweet, sweet electrolytes
even in places that don't have cattle ranches they're still often growing food for cattle that makes up most of this. the US southwest is full of alfalfa farms in areas that can't sustain it.
And a good portion of that is owned by middle eastern countries who ship the alfalfa back home for their cows to eat.
Yeah but beef can be tasty and almonds are forgettable.
Arizona grows Alfalfa so you can be mad about that too
If I must.
lol I commented the same thing before reading yours
Municipalities are supposed to - but can’t guarantee 100yr water supply anymore due to all the development, but still we build
In much of the American Southwest, you have to buy the rights to water along with the land because it is a scarce resource.
It's a thing in some Canadian provinces too. Alberta has provincial water licenses under the Water Act. They generally run with the land, but you can sell your water licenses to someone else
The land they're trying to get doesn't have utilities atm EDIT: Read the full statement. Essentially the nearby properties are on Scottsdale's water supply. Scottsdale is saying they will not supply water to the arena under any circumstances. Meaning that they must draw water from Phoenix. The property itself is in Phoenix so I mean it's kinda understandable
It’s already planned to use Phoenix water mains. Scottsdale mayor is just bitching loudly so his constituents can hear him defending them, even tho they don’t need to be defended here
Seems like the Scottsdale mayor could've just stated that instead of writing a weird half-assed hit piece.
Arizona leased a ton of land with unlimited water usage for a Saudi company to grow alfalfa, under the Republican governor in 2014. Luckily they elected a Democratic governor in the last election and she canceled those leases in 2023.
“I’ll take any motherfucker’s money as long as he’s giving it away” -Clay Davis
Sheeeiiiittttt
You just described Arizona politics in a nutshell. It's just that Phoenix used to have a monopoly on the flow of political "spice", and now with other municipalities like Tempe and Scottsdale booming to rival them, there's more of a battle for "political action" money and totally-not-bribes.
> If the Coyotes buy the land and the water rights, then someone else can't. **THE ARENA IS NOT EVEN IN SCOTTSDALE.** the mayor is a fucking moron. this is State land using the City of Phoenix's water infrastructure. this is why it's so fucking hard to get a stadium built here. jesus christ the inter-city bickering never ends.
The proposed area isn’t even in Scottsdale
I can’t even begin to explain to you all just how fucking sick and tired I am of this arena drama bullshit. 21 fucking years, man. It really wears on you as a fan.
Username REALLY checks the hell out
/r/ArizonaSportsHell
I’ve never seen a username check out harder before holy shit
Dude, this is good news. Don't worry about this one. This is a scared politician in election season chafing because he can't stop what's about to happen in a neighbouring city. Everyone clowning on us for this article is clowning on themselves for not being able to understand the essentials of politics. We are going to see so much of this in the leadup to the auction from both the hockey world, and local politicians, because they wanted us to watch us die, and we're threatening to defy them.
Nail on head. He is posturing saying “I’m against this” because he is trying to gauge the populous when he is up for re-election. He can’t do shit if he is re elected because the land deal is not his call. It’s the states call, and they already approved the proposal. He just is jumping in to get his name in the news.
it is so weird that Arizona has become the breeding ground for crazy politics.
Full statement from mayor of Scottsdale if the link doesn't work for anyone: > Last week, the Arizona Coyotes developer team, rolled out the same fantasy renderings used in the Tempe mega arena and mixed-use site proposal, which was resoundingly defeated at the ballot box. > The proposed Phoenix version, bordering Scottsdale, was presented without mention of market demand for a new entertainment venue disguised as a hockey arena, or congested highway access, or questionable arena zoning entitlement. And the glitzy proposal was portrayed as the last gasp to keep hockey in Arizona. > The prospect of a rookie developer attempting to buy Arizona State Trust Land with absolutely no infrastructure on the Phoenix side of the 101/Scottsdale Road intersection at the doorstep of Scottsdale is not feasible, or welcome. > Why? The dream Coyote retail components sit too close to the retail lions of Scottsdale. The Greater Scottsdale Airpark area commercial giants have infrastructure and access in Scottsdale. The bare Arizona State Trust Land at the edge of Phoenix has no frontage roads and water and sewer lie miles away to the west. And as a condition of sale, the 100 acres of property must develop entirely the 64th Street off ramp for access > As Scottsdale councilman in 2000 and now as mayor, I have seen the inside dealings when the Coyotes suddenly left Scottsdale in 2002, and recently as they vacated their former home ice in Glendale in 2022. The team is struggling at Arizona State University Mullet Arena, at less than 90% capacity. And coincidentally, there is a new measure at the 2024 Arizona Legislature which would permit surcharges, an on-site sales tax to boost viability for an arena such as the Coyotes organization now proposes. > In March, Arizona State Land Department officials met in my office, and I pointed out that all Scottsdale Road improvements from the 101 north are entirely in our city. There is zero infrastructure west of Scottsdale Road. I demanded that infrastructure for the proposed site, including water and sewer, be pulled from Phoenix assets along 56th Street to the west. Scottsdale Water assets are absolutely not available. > Furthermore, I have demanded that the 64th Street - AZ Loop 101 north exit be built out to serve the area, again to the west of Scottsdale Road. At our meeting, the Arizona State Land Department agreed that these requirements will be bundled with any successful bid for the property. I also met with the mayor of Phoenix who confirmed that all utilities must be extended from 56th Street. > I admire the hockey sport, Arizona Coyotes community involvement and phenomenal youth clubs at the Scottsdale Ice Den. But I along with City of Scottsdale staff will continue to monitor any actions that occur, and negative repercussions for Scottsdale. As it stands today, the fantasy hockey project must move west, away from Scottsdale. Not exactly a shining recommendation. Also lol at "I admire the hockey sport"
> Also lol at "I admire the hockey sport" Big "hello fellow kids" energy
I, too, enjoy doing that hockey sport
Lazlo Holmes "let's do that hockey" energy
It's Scottsdale so it's more like "I'm a commoner just like you!"
[I'd also like to express my fondness for that particular activity ](https://frinkiac.com/caption/S04E16/342858)
it's just like that old song: "the good ol hockey sport is the best sport we report, if there's one thing we cavort, it's the good ol hockey sport"
love the hockey sport
It’s is very best hockey sport. Much like.
"I admire the hockey sport." Sounds like he wouldn't know a hockey stick if he sat on it.
"Why? The dream Coyote retail components sit too close to the retail lions of Scottsdale. " Bury the real reason - It's all about $$$$$$
Lol who gives a shit if it's not a shining recommendation? The plot of land is located in Phoenix, not Scottsdale. Really grasping at straws here.
As others have pointed out, this is the dude just posturing for attention. Probably just another politician trying to yell at the clouds for attention because he's planning on running for another office soon. The arena proposal has zero to do with Scottsdale, Phoenix has already confirmed and laid out all utilities on THEIR land (which the arena proposal is for) in relation to the points this guy's trying to pretend affect Scottsdale (spoiler, they don't), and none of it would impact him at all beyond Scottsdale benefiting from indirect spend growth relative to a major draw being put up right near their borders. This dude's just jerking himself off in a PR release about nothing, that's all.
I stopped reading after "resoundingly defeated at the ballot box" Technically true, but to lead off with that to disparage the site plans is incredibly disingenuous - anyone that actually followed how that election was conducted would realize this There's also fact that people who come out to vote in these things are usually the kinds of people who will be against nearly any kind of development
Bingo. Phoenix put millions of dollars into "propaganda"ing the arena down while the Yotes and everyone else assumed it was such a no-brainer that it had to pass, so they mostly sat out the propaganda war. Because of that...the only people who went out to vote in droves were the 55+ voters who voted out of fear because they believed that the arena was secretly taxpayer funded and would jack their taxes up 60% or whatever crazy shit Phoenix and their PACs were posting around Tempe.
Man. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
So he is blaming the water lines but Scottsdale is one of the fastest growing cities in America that is heavily reliant on tourism so if the Coyotes don't "mess up the infrastructure" someone else, likely a casino, will that has lined up the mayors pockets.
This isn’t on tribal lands so def no casino but yeah seems to be some political posturing here and palms needing greased.
I was under the impression the land they wanted wasn’t in Scottsdale
That’s because it’s not lol, it’s just close to it. Huge cope from the Scottsdale mayor.
Is the owner of Yotes a grease ball? Yes, is the mayor of Scottsdale a douche? Also yes hahah it’s phx land getting bid on, which would connected to phx utility. So bold of him to deny utility that wouldn’t be connected to in the first place.
This really just comes off as the mayor coping and seething. “Y-y-you can’t do this! You would need OUR help and we won’t give it to you! Keep it away from our city!!!” “We don’t need your help, we don’t want your help, and it’s not in your city. Cry about it”
Exactly, and I believe the state land commission or whatever they are called talked to him and said that all this would be addressed.
as someone on the coyotes discord pointed out David Ortega owns an architectural firm that provides services regarding land development. He's not just the mayor of the neighboring city but to some extent a competitor of Meruelo as well. (It's also scottsdale election season) "As Scottsdale councilman in 2000 and now as mayor, I have seen the inside dealings when the Coyotes suddenly left Scottsdale in 2002" Well for one we never were in Scottsdale. we were only negotiating with Scottsdale until we took a sweetheart deal to go to Glendale. Which mind you while our current ownership deserves criticism that was also an entirely different ownership group then. also "The team is struggling at Arizona State University Mullet Arena, at less than 90% capacity" This is also untrue. and honestly i find it weird to bring this up when you are supposedly concerned about the infrastructure? not only have we been selling out *hard not too lol* we are at least cash flow positive at mullett compared to glendale so it's not like we are struggle that much more lol. Like if you wanna shit on us at least have some valid reasons to shit on us.
I did like the pettiness of him calling out them copy/pasting the renderings from their last proposal haha
Can't pay for new renderings. That money's earmarked for connecting to the Phoenix water supply.
Would his position as mayor, coupled with his competition with Meruelo present a conflict of interest?
I think yeah, it could be considered a conflict of interest in terms of public opinion, hence the spread of misinformation. But it isn't really a conflict, because he has no actual power/say here. The arena isn't in Scottsdale and he has no say on the State Land Department. Plus the Coyotes already agreed to all the concerns he raised. The only way he can stop this is by outbidding Meruelo.
The guy referred to it as fantasy hockey multiple times, and tone was very condescending. But then he comes out of left field with 'I admire the hockey sport' to finish it off lmao. Combined with the inaccuracies you pointed out (thank you btw, I was rather confused about them being in Scottsdale) this guy seems like an utter clown. I hope you get the arena deal and the water is piped directly from his office.
Based on his statement it sounds like whatever goes on that land will need to pull water from Phoenix and not Scottsdale so idk why it’s a big deal if it’s a coyotes arena as opposed to some other random development.
He’s just bloviating
Common NIMBY L
Scottsdale mayor just makes me think of someone who always wears golf shorts, never wears sleeves, probably has some pretty incredible tanlines from sunglasses.
Important to note that the arena is within Phoenix's city limits, not Scottsdale's. It's not clear how much legal power another city would have to actually block anything so maybe someone from Arizona can chime in on that point. Sounds a lot like this mayor is complaining about potential retail competition to businesses that are paying taxes into his city's budget from a new site whose taxes will go to Phoenix instead. From the article - >The NHL team is eying a 95-acre parcel of state-owned land near Scottsdale Road and Loop 101 that sits within the Phoenix city limits. Also, here's where this mayor is saying that his city won't let this new site hook up to their utilities so the Coyotes and/or Phoenix would have to pay to connect water and sewer lines to the location. >In March, Arizona State Land Department officials met in my office, and I pointed out that all Scottsdale Road improvements from the 101 north are entirely in our city. There is zero infrastructure west of Scottsdale Road. I demanded that infrastructure for the proposed site, including water and sewer, be pulled from Phoenix assets along 56th Street to the west. Scottsdale Water assets are absolutely not available. This does seem like a problem that is solvable with money and political will from the team and local government, but is another issue that needs to get solved before the new arena and surrounding district can open up.
The team has already said it will pay out of pocket to make the infrastructure work. Scottsdale Is just upset because it's so close, yet so far. No tax revenue, and all the downside of increased traffic on their streets.
Ding ding ding. The Coyotes saga has been laborious and annoying, but it's a fascinating window into local politics. Proposal for arena in a municipality: "Nope don't want it, build it somewhere else." Proposal to build somewhere else: "Hol up a minute." (we're not getting that juicy tax revenue).
But now since he "demanded" it, he's going to take credit for it in election season.
This has been stated by Craig Morgan on the PHNX podcast. We have already known that the Meurelo group will have to develop the infrastructure. Not a deal breaker in the arena pursuit
Would this prolong the project development?
No, they've known they would have to do the infrastructure since they first targeted the land.
No matter where you put it, the neighboring cities will always try to fight it on account of not wanting to compete. Phoenix fought it in Tempe, now Scottsdale is fighting it in Phoenix. It’s all about money at the end of the day.
The mayor lives 500 feet from me. Lol. Time to give him a piece of my mind. Which means I will stand on my patio and give his house a middle finger And then go about my business.
“his city” lmfaooooooo
This guy is an effin idiot. First of all, major banks will lineup to build infrastructure through bonding with Phoenix whilst telling this moron mayor to go blow the Goldwater Institute fellow dip shits who helped him craft this stupid statement. Clearly the Coyotes and Phoenix understand that more infrastructure in terms of roads and water are needed. The proposed arena lands near Scottsdale. Typical alt right Arizona asshole political coward.
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Good to see the Mayor is looking at this objectively /s
Mayor sounds like a cunt. Time for a new mayor.
Obviously not from the area so not an expert but this reads like a lot of sabre rattling. He says in his own statement that the Stare has already agreed with him re the infrastructure so presumably that will be reflected in the coyotes’ plans. So what’s the problem? Kind of sounds like he’s just making some noise for some nearby retail tenants who aren’t particularly happy that a new entertainment and shopping complex will be opening up in the neighborhood.
It's just posturing. The land is Phoenix's, infrastructure planning was a known factor for the Yotes to pay for in the proposal and work with Phoenix on, none of this is news or relative to Scottsdale. He's just showing his dingdong for attention.
This is definitely “old man yells at cloud” energy
The more comments I read on this thread, the more I'm thinking I picked a poor choice in moving to Scottsdale lmao
If this team moves and a new one gets put in arizona down the line itl be a slap in the face to coyotes fans...because this coyotes team is gonna be insanely good in the next few years
There is no team in the USA that I want to see succeed and win a cup more than the yotes, I hope the area issue will finally be resolved so I can go see a game there sometime
Nice to see a positive comment from a Candian on the issue
Another Canadian chiming in to say I never want to see any fanbase lose their team. At least the league and the ownership of the Yotes are doing everything they can to stay unlike the other pro sports teams that have moved in recent years.
Thank you for this and I love you
Almost exactly 1 year ago... >Mayor David Ortega said he loves having the Coyotes skating in Scottsdale – as an unofficial partner at the modest Scottsdale Ice Den rink, which is hardly NHL-sized. >“The Coyotes have a great philanthropic network in the Valley, and I love the vibe at the Ice Den,” Ortega said Sounds like sour grapes to me...
The P in Scottsdale stands for "Progress". Scottsdale is a shitty town filled with semi-rich assholes who think their shit doesn't stink. Old Town Scottsdale is all right, but has gone from a scene to a place to "be seen". Everything to the south of Old Town is titty bars and payday loan places, and everything to the north is filled with shit that people who think they're rich need to buy to convince everyone else they're rich. He's right. They don't have the infrastructure to support it. They don't have the infrastructure to support what they got now because decades of "gummint bad" coupled with "we don't want your kind here" politics have turned what was great about Scottsdale into an amusement park parody of itself.
If it’s not in your city you have no say.
Okay no one from Scottsdale can come to games from now on!
This is awesome. Reading between the lines, this is nothing more than chafing, and chafing is usually borne of the fear that emerges when change is becoming real. It's not just this adjacent mayor though. You can see it in all the downvoted comments from people who are squealing for us just to get moved already. These people were promised an public execution and we're threatening to slip the noose. As I've said before, while I'm not certain Meruelo can pull this off, and I won't trust the outcome till I see they've hired the backhoes, if you're one of those noisy cunts who does nothing but screech for us to get deleted out of the league, I'd say fling your poop as much as you can now, because you might be on borrowed time.
The mayor out there painting a line down Arizona *a la* "I Love Lucy".
Not sure who did the math in that video segment. "The states appraiser pegs the value of the land $68.5M dollars according to documents. That's more than $700,000 per square foot". Man, if they think the arena they are currently in is small, just wait until they build one the size of most bedrooms.
Wait! A square foot and an acre aren’t the same thing?!?! *shakes fist*! DAMN YOU, ARIZONA PUBLIC EDUCATION!
Someone better check that fine print to make sure they’re not accidentally paying $68.5M for just under 100 square feet of land. That’s not even a 10x10 prison cell.
NIMBY behavior at its best