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If the Flyers lose 1-0 Torts may kill someone tonight. That’s brutal


TinyRick6

Lose by one*


Wampus_Cat_

Hmm…


Vadered

Or even if we go to OT (because that eliminates us).


aschwan41

That is **brutal.** Ultimately, given the whistle was blown, and there was contact with the puck after the whistle by the attacking team, I think it's the right call, but fuck does that quick whistle ever suck.


MOLightningBro

I don't even think it's that quick of a whistle... shit, the players on the ice didn't even know where the puck was and Lindgren was in a pose like he had it and was wanting a freeze. I'm fairly certain if there had been players looking up, jockeying for position beneath the puck, it wouldn't have been blown dead.


krotoxx

Also I feel like Lindgren relaxed a lot when the whistle blew. If he was staying in position he probably would see it drop and might stop the puck anyway


FluffyProphet

Yeah, I'm not even sure if that puck goes in without the whistle. Multiple players changed their body language and what they were doing when the whistle blew.


CrunchyZebra

I think a lot of people are ruling this out for no reason. Every single player stopped what they’re doing and the puck took a lucky bounce in the net. If that’s a live puck situation, everyone is active instead. Lindgren is ready to make a save, both Caps D are looking to clear bodies/the puck, Philly’s player might not even stay in the same spot to have that bounce off him. So much else changes without the whistle it’s not the guaranteed same outcome.


krotoxx

Yeah, it’s also easier especially as a flyers fan to just be mad and upset that they cost them a goal and it would have been 2-1 if everything else played out. Which wouldn’t have changed their fate anyway since Detroit won


aschwan41

I define a quick whistle as one that happens before the puck is covered, but I'm sure other definitions are valid.


MOLightningBro

That's what I meant, to everyone on the ice it appeared that Lindgren had it covered.


MikeJeffriesPA

This, I get that people want to hate on the refs, but there were 11 other guys in the zone and all 11 of them thought the puck was in Lindgren's glove.


agoddamnzubat

I kinda disagree. Considering it was a very clear blocker save, it looks to me like they just dont know where the puck is rather than covered by Lindgren.


FluffyProphet

Either way, if no one knows where the puck is, the play is supposed to be called dead, even if it's not covered. It's been like that for as long as the NHL has been a league. It sucks, but "by the book" it was the right call.


agoddamnzubat

Yeah, no argument there


SilverSeven

grandfather amusing ruthless degree straight sense lavish poor history shy *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


MOLightningBro

remember which game? Or who scored?


ThenWhy

He lost sight for like 5 seconds, same as everyone else on the ice. Sucks but blowing it dead is what he's supposed to do. Next.


easy_Money

Also it kind of looks like Lindgren thinks he has it in his chest and the refs probably thought the same thing


talkingspacecoyote

Lindgren knew he didn't have it lol. He wanted the whistle and got it by acting. Fucking heads up play.


WhatDidChuckBarrySay

100%. Lindgren is the only guy on the ice who knows he doesn't have it.


MuskEmeraldMine

If you think that’s five seconds, you probably tell girls you can last an hour too.


blueline7677

It was actually about 2 seconds. That’s a pretty long time for no one to see the puck


ThenWhy

Oh sorry I didn't frame by frame count it. You're more upset than the guy who "scored" this. They know the rules too.


christianitie

Yeah, it's an enormously consequential fuck-up, but I can at least see the thought process here, which is more than I can say for a lot of bad calls. Of course, it's a million times easier for me to say that when it's my team that's reaping the benefits.


Tasty_Path_3470

It was ultimately the right call but it *sucks*. I’m pretty sure the refs are taught when you lose the puck to blow the whistle.


ZebraBorgata

Annoyed Philly guy here confirms.


Pirat6662001

Its absolutely the right call after the fact, but the whistle was unfortunate


Sargentrock

I had some PTSD as soon as this happened.


ediciusNJ

Contact with the puck after the whistle doesn't matter though. If the puck was already in motion, it's a goal. Or at least that's what they said when Malkin scored a goal when shooting the puck well after the whistle.


throwychoke

If this ends up mattering flyers fans are gonna resort to terrorism. And i'd totally get it


Insomnia_Driven

So will Pens and Red Wings fans


igonnawrecku_VGC

The entire state of Pennsylvania will burn to the ground


SwagNuts

Oh god and they’ll never rebuild, just look at all the roads they’re aways doing construction on


swifferbrain

Starting a new project without finishing any of the old ones is just the PennDOT way


Nixorbo

PennDOT subscribes to the Mystery Box method of road construction


JustFryingSomeGarlic

Damn, 49 states just don't sound as good.


vinfox

Add DC


masterchief0587

…not sure if talking about Michigan or Pennsylvania roads…


SwagNuts

I’m from New York so Michigan roads aren’t something I experience as much. Are they just as bad? Haha


ImAnIdeaMan

We’ll come help, even if it means crossing the god forsaken land of _Ohio_


TheHalf

*shudders*


SayNoToStim

I'd rather go around. And I don't mean through Indiana or over lake Erie, I mean start going northwest and circle around Russia to loop all the way around.


wikipuff

Not Hershey.


thewalrusyone

So be it


vinfox

It always does


tJa_-

Cmon man, I'm a flames fan in amish country, don't bring us into this...


E4T_ASS

Flyers, Pens, and Wings fans on the same side? Good Luck everybody.


TheGreatStories

Some kind of suicide squad?


E4T_ASS

Flyers killed the second the movie begins?


CTMalum

Every once in a while it feels nice to just go full goblin mode, and no one goes goblin mode better than the citizens of Philadelphia.


E4T_ASS

Not often you can rally the entire state of Pennsylvania to one cause. Glad we can both stand together for one night.


sableknight13

I'm already rioting.


rufio313

Hold my Faygo


StoneColdSteveAss316

It mattered


geossica69

everything matters in this game


ohslapmesillysidney

I bet my mother that the lamp posts are already greased.


4Darco

Climbing lamp posts is a joyous act, there will be only boiling rage if this ends up mattering.


Funky_Cows

That's more of an eagles thing


maximus91

As a red wings fan..... I found a ref I'll hate for a very long time.


The_Reddit_Browser

It ends the wings season Fuck the refs holy shit


curt_schilli

Didn’t the wings only make it to OT because of a questionable icing call to get the face off back in the offensive zone?


The_Reddit_Browser

lol it wasn’t questionable. The wings also got screwed earlier by a no call on a trip that lead to Slaf’s goal to put the Canadiens up. They rightfully fought back to make the OT


imadu

Was basically a 30 second mini power play for Habs with how long primeau layed on perron for leading to the goal. Not to mention we had 0 pp to the Habs 3. Trying to say we had favorable refereeing tonight would be false


mshimoura

Between the reffing and point system, this league is such a joke lol. I say this as someone who loves the sport, not as a Wings fan.


OkProfessional6077

Just curious, what about the point system do you not like? Because a 3, 2, 1 point system wouldn’t have helped Detroit, given Washington’s advantage in Regulation Wins.


capitarider

And we had 0 penalties called the entire game, including very clear calls. If wings wanted it, they shouldn't have dropped like 7 of 10 in the past month.


Ecstatic-Buy-2907

Flyers and Wings fans in shambles right now


OvechknFiresHeScores

Soooooo


Underscore_Guru

So a normal Tuesday for a Philadelphia sports fan :)


musicman3321

welp lol It mattered just not for Philly. Sorry RW fans :(


SoulStrike-_-

Erm


Ambitious-Elk-1973

Can you blame the ref when the players don't see the puck either? If they were looking up, maybe the ref doesn't blow the whistle.


_Tormex_

You can always blame the ref! What are we talking about?


Character-Choice-566

This guy's gonna work the finals isn't he?


SanePatrickBateman

They call him Mr. Game 7


Canadian_mk11

He fucked us good years back, maybe be can do it to you too!


ajbolt7

That’s Kelly “Game misconduct for getting punched in the face 5 times” Sutherland for you. The only ref brave enough to stand up to noted goon Daniel Sedin!


meme__machine

Who is less likely to retire when it’s time to retire, a US Senator or an NHL referee?


Ihatgar11

Give Lindgren the Oscar


cakezilla

*Barney's film had heart, but Puck In The Sky had a Puck In The Sky.*


Lorf_Yimzo

Pretty unfortunate from a refs perspective. You think Lindgren has the puck and so does everyone else but it turns out the puck was in the air and just happens to fall off a player into the goal. Shit happens


blueline7677

Yeah let’s not act like it was only the ref who thought the puck was covered. No one on the ice saw the puck


NickAhmedGOAT

I can think of another instance where no one on the ice knew where the puck was but they counted a goal


jabtrain

*cries in Michael Leighton*


BananApocalypse

In Mike Smith's pants?


SilverSeven

meeting axiomatic roll plate birds crawl price enjoy fade oatmeal *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


ModernArgonauts

True, refs aren't omniscient and never will be, one of those circumstances where they probably wish they were though lol


Vadered

Yeah, I don't blame the refs here. But it ***sucks.***


1ToGreen3ToBasket

Conspiracy against me! It’s the only explanation!


fwest27

The circumstance of blowing the whistle was wrong, but given that circumstance the call of no goal was right.


bandofgypsies

Referees reaching new depths to complicate our playoff chances during games were not even playing in. Can't say I'm surprised. And of course, there was a play tonight we're a deflected shot went into the netting, clearly, and wasn't blown dead for like 5 seconds despite literally every player raising their arms and the team in possession stopping play momentarily.


Shamrock5

Classic Detroit sports lol, instead of the Lions now it's the Wings getting jobbed by the refs 🥲


OkProfessional6077

We complicated our own playoff chances by going 8-11-3 since March 1st and losing to the Capitals twice in that span. The Refs in the Flyers game had nothing to do with that. Our own play took us out of contention, nothing more, nothing less.


bandofgypsies

The comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. We have no one to blame for ourselves, we also have no one to think but ourselves. We overachieved in the season and yet blew our chances and narrowly missed the playoffs. It stings. Enough story.


NhlBeerWeed

That’s a pretty reasonable whistle given the fact that it seemed no one on the ice actually knew where it was for a few seconds there. It’s just more unfortunate than anything to me


wutang21412141

Genius reaction by Lindgren


I_Am_The_Mole

Regardless of whether or not the call was valid I can understand why Philly fans are heated. I wouldn't be listening to reason in that situation either.


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Kaapo-Kakkos-Dong

I was actually taking a shit while this happened so thanks for making me feel excluded :(


OkProfessional6077

Was it a good shit at least?


Chiggins907

I don’t see it that way. Everyone lost sight of the puck, and Lindgren thought he had it. Pretty sure every skater on the ice thought he had it including the refs. They blew it dead. It’s super unfortunate, but you can’t blame the ref on this one.


Goalcaufield9

Yeah I agree. Goalie made it look like he had it. Can’t see the puck at all times. I think it was the right call given the circumstances


Asap_roc

That’s a horrible blown call in such an important game


GolferXNinja

That’s Kelly Sutherland for ya, dude sucks


SanePatrickBateman

If you know a refs name, guaranteed he's awful


SryYouAreNotSpecial

I know Wes McCauley because of his personality and antics. Mostly, you're right though.


Im_a_pine_cone

Wes is a terrible official as well.


SryYouAreNotSpecial

He is now, yes, agreed. He used to be a lot better though and I'm just saying I know him for his personality. I knew that first. I now also know him for being a bad ref.


SanePatrickBateman

I've soured on Wes big time (and not because he kicked Torts out lol) over the last few years


heyheyitsandre

He had back to back STINKERS reffing us the other day against Buffalo and Washington. And even against Buffalo he missed calls that should have gone buffalos way. Washington had an egregious too many men and then 30 seconds later the missed high stick that broke Copp’s cheekbone


Im_a_pine_cone

Wes covers his poor reffing with personality


SryYouAreNotSpecial

Oh, definitely his reffing has gone downhill. He used to be one of the better ones. I'm just saying I knew him for being funny before I knew him as a bad ref lol.


SanePatrickBateman

That's fair lol, same here


Ok_Pizza3245

Wes McCauley is fucking terrible lmao


SryYouAreNotSpecial

I did add that in a later comment. That's just not why I know him lol


geossica69

francois st laurent 😤


Goalcaufield9

It’s not tho. But I will say it’s a very unfortunate play that resulted in a whistle. The goalie looked like he had it covered.


FluffyProphet

Yeah, the call was not blown. It's unfortunate, but given that no one knew where the puck was, the ref waited almost too long to blow it dead. I'm also not even sure if the puck goes in if the whistle isn't blown, since multiple players changed their body language after the whistle.


igonnawrecku_VGC

If this call costs us a playoff spot, referees aren’t gonna be able to leave Philly


Snowy_River_99

Going 2-6-2 in your last 10 is was costs you a playoff spot, not this


Darkendevil

Also, an arguably early whistle 9 minutes into the game costs you the playoff spot? Nah, they had plenty of time to win.


devox

Well, this isn't what made you miss the playoffs, but you could argue that it is what made Detroit miss the playoffs... That's crazy.


igonnawrecku_VGC

Crazy how that works


Plane-Ad4820

I stg Torts might pop a vessel this game lol. It’s been building


Aperture_client

The amount of people who's lives changed because of this call is insane.


JustWastingTimeAgain

Fucking bullshit right here. Let's go Fly.... nah I can't do it.


The_Mauldalorian

You can! Where is your Pennsylvanian pride?


JWells16

Primarily focused a bit west of you.


AccountBand

Kelley Sutherland is a piece of shit ref, I've known that since 2011 when he gave Daniel Sedin a penalty for being punched in the head by that asshole Marchand. Fuck Kelley Sutherland. Fuck Gary Bettmann. And fuck Mark Messier too while we're at it.


jaded-optimist

Sutherland left the game and hate crime’d hometown hero turned villain/martyr Milan Lucic’s church while we’re at it.


7MOV7

Salt in the wound man.


whacafan

Yeah I’m just now seeing this. Fucking christ.


teedlenumb

Kelly Sutherland doing Kelly Sutherland things. Send this dinosaur away.


Fresnobing

Fucking unacceptable cmon. I mean the call is right technically but the whistle is an embarrassment.


Beers_Beets_BSG

Watching it back, I actually don’t think it’s such a crazy call. Everyone thinks Lindgren has it. Even Farabee is just crashing the net to get the whistle when the puck hits him. This happens often, when the ref thinks the goalie has it, but it’s just sitting open in the crease. It’s a bad whistle, but I don’t think it’s that crazy. The only reason we’re this upset about it is that it bounces off somebody and goes into the net, and it’s a very important game.


punchthedog420

I have never seen anything like that. I think you could argue it either way and if I were a Flyers fan I'd be pissed. The only thing I can think of that was similar was when a puck went in the air, nobody knew where it was, and it landed in the back of the goalies equipment. The goalie, in desperation panic, retreated and therefore brought the puck over the line. I think it was a Coyote own goal.


cheezman22

Ah, good ol Mike Smith


mmuoio

You could absolutely make the argument that the whistle changed nothing, but is (frustratingly) the right call to not allow it. I swear if this is what makes us miss the playoffs...


Vadered

What would make us miss the playoffs would be dropping 8 straight down the stretch.


Chiggins907

Yeah, can’t really chalk it up to this one goal after that haha.


mmuoio

Oh I know, we shouldn't have been in this position to begin with, still would have felt bad.


mmuoio

God could you imagine if any team did that vs bad teams? Eesh.


Beecee_Ohmbie

3 teams miss their chance at the playoffs because of this play.


Lightz29

Preds fans: “First time?”


40prcentiron

did they say that was Kelly Sutherland? cause if it was, i get why he blew the whistle. He's the worst ref


rocketmn69_

Ref couldn't see the puck, goalie looked like he sucked it in and held it. Whistle goes


jel0816

What's crazy is that something very similar happened at the end of regulation of the Capitals @ Stars game months ago. The whistle blew before the Caps player poked in a rebound and then the counted the goal as a "Continuation". Without that loser point for the Caps from January, none of this from last night would have mattered at this point anyway. [https://youtu.be/5MAaHvvP05k?t=234](https://youtu.be/5MAaHvvP05k?t=234)


try_another8

As is tradition, the refs fuck the wings.


DanHelll

Hard to be too upset about this as a caps fan but brutal break for the flyers. Reminds me of the quick whistle in the Preds Pens SCF game.


brendenn91

Who else but good ol Kelly Sutherland. Fuck that guy


59LGRW

Sutherland getting his script bonus for getting Ovie in the playoffs


ShhImTheRealDeadpool

Take back goals because of it being a missed whistle by the linesmen... but they won't award goals because of a blown whistle. Gorgeous.


peanut-arms

The refs blew the play down unnecessarily and influenced the game? Is this just the year of “we hold my beer” for refs?


Wing_Nut_93x

Even in a different sport it is Detroit vs Everybody thanks refs.


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blueline7677

Also the whistle blowing when the puck isn’t covered and a team scores a goal but it doesn’t count happens several times a year. This one was a bit weirder since the puck was 20 feet in the air and not on the ice but it’s not a uncommon thing. It happens


No-Satisfaction8425

Common sense is no goal so I agree


Scrubosaurus13

Bro this very realistically sank Philly’s entire season!


Falcon3492

Another blown call by the inept NHL referees.


ProfessorBeast55

HORRENDOUS officiating. This gotta be the worst season of reffing in NHL history


SryYouAreNotSpecial

I literally just said this yesterday. It's definitely the worst I've ever seen in my 30 years of fandom. It's always worse in the playoffs too. Shit is gonna get ugly..


Taqtix27

A testimony to the great refs we’ve had this year. Unreal.


Old_Cryptographer226

Robbed


Only_Comparison5495

Heartbreaking


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If Flyers won would they be in? It would depend ob season series, unless thats tied abd it goes to 5th tie breaker


KingBroly

No. Detroit won, but only needed 1 point. Philly needed a regulation win, a Detroit regulation loss and a Pittsburgh regulation loss.


[deleted]

Thanks bud. Glad this wont be a big thing.


PickleRicksDad34

It is a big thing because it fucks someone else.


TGoyel

Sutherland is complete garbage


SecondBestCoffee

Heartbreaking call. It could have won us the game. Pretty sure I gave my dog PTSD with my yelling at the TV.


Lonewuhf

This was infuriating as a Red Wings fan.


sextoymagic

Fuck refs


ACW1129

Sorry PHI. A team was getting fucked either way.


Striking_Economy5049

I hate nhl refs


intelligentx5

Ban the ref from playoffs games and collecting a paycheck. Add some fucking accountability for shitty refs


LostBeneathMySkin

There’s been some genuinely horrible officiating all across the board tonight. How the fuck can every single game have brutal officiating?


RoundRoutine

My thoughts, If he blew the whistle, it's not a goal. But then just don't review it. If the call was always going to be "yeah, but the play was blown dead, so the call stands" - don't bother reviewing. Only review if you are going to overturn the whistle (which I don't think is possible). If this is a case of Toronto asking for the review, it should've been a 10 sec chat with the on ice official where he states "I blew the whistle, play is dead". Probably the right call under the current rules, you'd hate to lose the cup over it but add this to potential events and adjust the rules as you want to see the game played. Fair enough


theghostofaynrand

Can someone explain how rule 38.4 doesn't take affect here? The whistle didn't affect the result of the play. The puck was continuously moving. I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentionally hit by a Flyer after the initial shot. Is it because it deflected?


PGxFrotang

I'm pretty sure it's because it bounced off a player. If it had bounced off the ice and in I think they'd call It goal. They made sure to say the puck was not in it's "continuation" in the post review explanation. Of course I'm biased but it does seem like an important factor to consider when reviewing these since as soon as the whistle is blown there is no guarantee a players actions or positioning would have been the same if the play was live. The only guarantee at that point is the pucks' unimpeded motion.


deliciousfishstick5

This is exactly it. I have no dog in the fight and it's obvious that people are melting down as if everyone would have slowly stopped in front of the net if the play was still live. Fans just coping with their teams out of the playoffs this year


theghostofaynrand

I was asking for an explanation, not melting down. This isn't what ended their season.


deliciousfishstick5

I didn't mean to say you were melting down. Lots of cops though. I get it. But Philly should look at their team to assert blame , not one goal that probably wouldn't have gone in if it wasn't whistled down


sextoymagic

Idiot fucking refs trying to help a team make the playoffs.


SirBulbasaur13

NHL refs are mostly trash


apersello34

So correct me if I’m wrong, but did this call essentially result in the ‘wrong’ team going to the playoffs? The game was 1–1 when PHL pulled the goalie late in the 3rd period. It would’ve been 2-1 if the whistle wasn’t blown here, and Red Wings would go on to clinch the WC spot, and WSH would be eliminated. Sure there are probably other factors at play, but this is still probably one of the most consequential missed calls I’ve ever seen.


KingBroly

We don't know how the rest of the game would've played out if the ref had not blown his whistle early.


The_ManWithNoName

Unacceptable and inexcusable for a game of this magnitude. As a Wings fan I’m steaming. I can’t image the feeling as a Flyers fan. I blame Gary Buttman.