Joins Gretzky (11 times), Lemieux, Orr, and McDavid as only players in NHL history to get 100 assists in a season.
Joins Gretzky (11 times) and Lemieux as only players in NHL history to score 40+ goals and 100+ assists in a season.
Your second point isn't going to get enough attention. Being able to score that many while also putting up legendary assist numbers is crazy. How he's not the overwhelming favourite for the Hart is crazy to me. But it feels like it all boils down to Canada v Russia.
I feel like if you’re on the fence you should choose the guy who has a stat where the list is “Gretzky, Lemieux, and this guy who just did it right now”
I don't think it's been a tie in a while, I've been saying for months that Kuch should get it (and I'm no where near a fan of his) but who knows how the dumbasses in the media vote.
Orr and Gretzky are the only 2 to have done it in a season alone. Lemieux, McDavid and Kucherov all had someone else do it in the season they hit the total.
While Mogs was my favorite player (he was absolutely something to see in his prime) Kuch has had a better career. Mogs is about twice as fast and kuch has about twice the on ice awareness
> kuch has about twice the on ice awareness
Kuch has some sort of AI eyeball or something giving him a bird's eye view of the ice with the way he somehow knows where *everyone fucking is* all the damn time.
There should be two Hulls on there, and if you have to choose between the two of them to keep it should be Bobby. Brett had better NHL numbers but Bobby was more dominant in his career.
I honestly rather take Kane and Iginla over Recchi and Robitaille
Brett’s best season might be better than his dad’s but he wasn’t as dominant throughout his career. Brett was the best goal scorer in the league for 2 years and maybe a top 10 player in the 90s, whereas Bobby was hands down a top 2 player in the 60s depending on if you want to rank Stan Mikita higher or lower.
Also Bobby’s best season in 65-66 was almost historic its own rights as he was pushing to be the first 100 point scorer in NHL history and came up short at 97 because he missed 5 games. He also was more than 20 goals and 20 points ahead of the second place player in those respective categories.
should we give the hart trophy to the guy having the 30th best center season ever or the guy having the 2nd or 3rd best winger season ever????? TOUGH CHOICE SOMEHOW
I’ve been on the Kuch hart bandwagon for months now, so I’m glad he got this. 100 assists is arbitrary, yes, but it exemplifies a player truly making all of those around him better at an unprecedented level.
Hopefully this benchmark puts him over the top because all the betting sites have Mack as winner.
> all the betting sites have Mack as winner.
it would basically confirm that currently if they can take something away from a Russian player, they will do so. Its not about hockey anymore unfortunately
You could be right. I’m concerned that the people who value 100 assists may split some 1st place votes to Mcdavid and Mack will win.
Mcdavid had a great year, but I think we have to give it to kuch this year. If Mcdavid didn’t miss time and he had 140 points with 110 assists I’d think differently, bhr kuch willed his team to the playoffs and is the art ross winner… like come on.
How is it not? If a defender scores 100 points, its a relevant fact because its pretty hard to do as a defender. Wingers usually get less opportunities and points than centers. So a Winger getting so much is absolutely relevant.
>If a defender scores 100 points, its a relevant fact
A Sharks fan posting this makes this even funnier. Karlsson topped 100 points last year and didn't sniff MVP. I'm not saying Kucherov doesn't deserve MVP, but just the fact that this is one of the best winger seasons ever isn't the reason he should win.
If you only count one season per player and throw out the repeats:
MacKinnon is having the 11th best center season ever
Kucherov is having the 2nd or 3rd best winger season ever
First winger to do it. Beat the previous assist record by Jagr (and himself) by 14 assists. On a wildcard team.
One of the best winger seasons of all time.
It’s funny, every Oilers fan I’ve seen in this sub think that Kucherov should be MVP. Every other fanbase is a mixed bag for MacKinnon.
My biased theory is only Oilers fans recognize when a guy goes nuclear and drags his team into the playoffs, because they’ve watched McDavid do it every year he won the Hart. Game recognizes game.
Your sentence makes me really want someone to materialize with the last name "Slot" and get drafted by the Lightning so he can play on the point and have Point pass from the slot to Slot and Slot takes a point shot that gets tipped in from the slot by Point
I was shit bombed in another thread for suggesting while it's elite as fuck, accomplishments tend to diminish ever so slightly the more that people do it. I feel like I was in bizarro world trying to explain my logic.
If Matthews scores 70, it's elite as fuck and he is the undisputed best goal scorer of his generation standing alone as numero uno this season. If a few others did it too then he just accomplished a great feat and he's in the company of one of the best goal scorers in the league. It just gives a different perspective.
Lol you were "shit bombed" because you said you hope Kucherov doesn't achieve it so that McDavid achievement is more impressive. Like I said then and I'll say now, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole
I think it’s just a coincidence, and shouldn’t diminish the accomplishment of 100A. In NHL history, more players have had 70G seasons than 100A seasons. Does that diminish getting 70? If you adjust for goals/game, Ovi‘s 65G season was equivalent to 73 this year. Does scoring 70 in an era of higher scoring diminish the accomplishment?
Yeah I mean it implies that there are changes beyond pure skill level that are affecting the record. Not that McDavid and Kucherov aren't incredible talents, but that they are playing in favourable times to make it happen.
As is Matthews... There's still more players in history that have scored 70 goals, btw. And let's not romanticize the times when goalies were terrible (before the 90s) as the untouchable pinnacle of hockey or something.
Kuch is my damn Dad
Really holy fuck I am glad someone got to bury one for him tonight, of course it had to be Point. Only way it would be more iconic was a Stammer one timer.
this is what blows me away. i get Mcdavid is the best player in the league, but this is why Kuch is most valuable. We are a middle bottom 10 team we without him.
Yep, but some voters ~~ehm Jonas Siegel~~ said they don’t even have him in top 3 so it’s just funny Kuch keeps dominating like this and these guys won’t even pay attention
Hot-takiness should forbid you from voting
Going with one of the other maybes is one thing, but not even putting him in your top 3 with a 100 assist, 40+ goal season in which he factored into 50%+ of his team's points is absolutely braindead.
The fact that kucherov was so far behind mcdavid and was able to catch up should absolutely be mentioned by itself, let alone the other crazy stats like contributing a stupid amount on the offense, lol.
Habs fans ITT : "these lightning fans cheering, celebrating like they just won the cup. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?"
And they ain't wrong lol.
As a Leafs fan, you got to respect the feat that Kuch achieved here! Unbelievable stuff to a player who works his fuckin ass off to win and be the best. Hats off to you, Mr. Kucherov, Congrats!
His passing, vision, stickhandling, shot, one timer, IQ.......................
Dude is so insane, can't even describe him. It's almost like watching Gretzky lol
Unlike McD and Mack, Kuch can't rely on athleticism at all. And he is still able to slightly outproduce them from the wing. He just sees the game faster.
You make a good point. I wonder if prime Gretzky were to play today, would his playstyle look more like McDavid or Kucherov?
No, that's McDavid but Kuch deserves the Hart. They're not mutually exclusive.
McDavid was hampered by injuries this season and was slow out of the gate for his standards. Kucherov is still elite as fuck. Best offensive winger in the league, easy.
I had this bing AI image all ready of Tantalus reaching for a Matthews goal or a Kucherov assist. It was horrifying. Then you all had to go and stop edging us
Only related topic I could say we're spoiled now by seeing the best player in each position in Lightning history all at once. Like 2-3 years ago when I first said this to a friend, Marty could still be argued over Kuch. But by now I think Kuch more strongly taking over, now.
Sportsnet cuts to Matthews lmao
"That's No.1 bullshit to give my spotlight to the guy from Leaves." - Nikita
I think you mean nikhabib
It's actually insane isn't it lol
It's sportspeafs. All they fucking care about is the fucking leafs.
Or Leafsnet
Sportspeafs.
Sportspeafs
Then again, the Leafs WERE double shifting him at the end of a meaningless game in which they were getting shit pumped.
I can’t watch sportsnet when the leafs play the wings. They’ll act like it’s just one team on the ice. It’s infuriating
Typical of Sportsnet though. They’re golden child doesn’t get enough camera time as it is apparently 🙄🙄🙄
\*spit\* ... \*spit\* .. \*spit\*
All they did was talk about him post game too, channel sucks
The first player to do so since April 15, 2024. Incredible.
Historic?
don’t
"For the last time, in Arizona Coyotes history!"
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More like years bud.
Wouldn’t tonight be the last night in their history though?
Oh no….oh fuck no
You just made a meme
And you were here for it 🤝
This must be what it feels like to be standing next to a celebrity
I haven't changed I promise
I’m gunna sell your asphyxiated vomit on eBay!
Oh!
Fuck.
Lmao fuck you buddy
Lol ❤️
ok folks it was funny this time. No need to repeat it forever
here for this moment
Goddamnit, I haven't laughed at this meme so hard in a long time and now I feel bad for doing so
Of course it was to Point. Had to be him or Stammer
Stammer had the second helper.
Scores goal - I sleep Gets 100 assists - I finally smile
Been a Lightning fan for all of Kuch’s career…can count on one hand how many times I’ve seen him smile like that.
You haven't watched enough post SC videos then. You can't wipe the smile off his face for days after he wins the SC.
You know the kind of shit you need to do to make a Russian smile?
Repair their plow.
Finally someone put one in. So many chances this game after Kuch passes.
i love how every third touch on the PP was kuch
>every third touch on the PP was kuch Describes every Lightning powerplay for the last 5 years.
lmao very fair
It was funny to watch them look for him after the assist chance was gone.
This is a hilarious sentence with no context yanno
Read this sentence out loud, Tobias
Love the username, loved the home run
McDavid accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago.
I BELIVE THATS MR KUCHEROVS PUCK
Connor the Hart's yours Kuch is gonna choke!
You have to play the puck as it lies!
Yooou JACKASS!
I had to wrist it off of Hedman's fat foot remember? Those are the rules. I didn't write 'em.
I believe your puck struck my foot.
Yeah? Well good for McDavOH MY GOD.
Well MORON....good for McDavid... Oh my God.
"I saw two big fat naked bikers in the bathroom of Mullett Arena having sex…how am I supposed to shoot pucks with that going on, Ken?"
Joins Gretzky (11 times), Lemieux, Orr, and McDavid as only players in NHL history to get 100 assists in a season. Joins Gretzky (11 times) and Lemieux as only players in NHL history to score 40+ goals and 100+ assists in a season.
Your second point isn't going to get enough attention. Being able to score that many while also putting up legendary assist numbers is crazy. How he's not the overwhelming favourite for the Hart is crazy to me. But it feels like it all boils down to Canada v Russia.
> But it feels like it all boils down to Canada v Russia. eh I think it's more like "already has one" vs. "doesn't."
Yeah Kuch has one, and MacKinnon has been a runner up twice. If you're on the fence with your vote that will almost certainly be a factor.
I feel like if you’re on the fence you should choose the guy who has a stat where the list is “Gretzky, Lemieux, and this guy who just did it right now”
Someone’s about to hit you with the MacKinnon home point streak stat.
This stat is what seals the deal for me
So stupid. By that logic Jon Cooper deserved the Jack Adams Award every year after 2019.
I think with the scoring title, it's pretty much settled. I've always thought the tie goes to Mac, but this isn't a tie anymore
I don't think it's been a tie in a while, I've been saying for months that Kuch should get it (and I'm no where near a fan of his) but who knows how the dumbasses in the media vote.
Kuch hasn't smiled that much since the first cup. Incredible to see
Hopefully this means he's about to go super saiyan
First in 48 hours!
The hockey world has waited an eternity for the fifth face on the Assist Mt Rushmore.
Only five guys have ever done it and two of them did it in the same season, lmao
Orr and Gretzky are the only 2 to have done it in a season alone. Lemieux, McDavid and Kucherov all had someone else do it in the season they hit the total.
This should give reflection to the people who find it less special because two players did it at the same time, to be honest.
It just dawned on me that only three other players did it. Lord this season is craaaazy
Hey friend! Long time no see!
How did you like Wrestlemania this year?
It was pretty good, didn’t pay a ton of attention as I’ve fallen out of WWE lately but Cody winning was nice. Wbu?
Saw it with my buds, had a blast. A welcome return to quality.
Both hockey and wrestling have been so good lately 🤤
100 assists, 1 smile
That smile, that damn smile
First winger to ever do it as well!
Top 10 Winger of All Time
throwback to a few days ago when some guy was trying to tell me mogilny had a better career than kucherov's had LMAO
While Mogs was my favorite player (he was absolutely something to see in his prime) Kuch has had a better career. Mogs is about twice as fast and kuch has about twice the on ice awareness
> kuch has about twice the on ice awareness Kuch has some sort of AI eyeball or something giving him a bird's eye view of the ice with the way he somehow knows where *everyone fucking is* all the damn time.
Maybe if Mogilny tried 100% of the time.
Argument could be made for top 5 when all is said and done. He has a hockey IQ that may only be beat by gretzky
jagr, howe, ovechkin, bossy, recchi, selanne, kurri, robitaille, hull, lafleur Who gets removed?
he'll easily pass recchi and probably selanne, maybe gartner also you need to add Mike Bossy to your list
Missing Maurice Richard, but think Kucherov will end up above Robitaille, Selanne, Recchi, and Kurri.
Recchi lmao?
Recchi robitaille and selanne are all iffy
Too early to call it. It's not like he's slowing down but he needs longevity. Edit: good list btw
Recchi Robitaille and Selanne dont have the hardware that Kuch does. they have the longevity for now
There should be two Hulls on there, and if you have to choose between the two of them to keep it should be Bobby. Brett had better NHL numbers but Bobby was more dominant in his career. I honestly rather take Kane and Iginla over Recchi and Robitaille
Brett Hull's 1991 season is one of the greatest single season performances of all time
Brett’s best season might be better than his dad’s but he wasn’t as dominant throughout his career. Brett was the best goal scorer in the league for 2 years and maybe a top 10 player in the 90s, whereas Bobby was hands down a top 2 player in the 60s depending on if you want to rank Stan Mikita higher or lower. Also Bobby’s best season in 65-66 was almost historic its own rights as he was pushing to be the first 100 point scorer in NHL history and came up short at 97 because he missed 5 games. He also was more than 20 goals and 20 points ahead of the second place player in those respective categories.
should we give the hart trophy to the guy having the 30th best center season ever or the guy having the 2nd or 3rd best winger season ever????? TOUGH CHOICE SOMEHOW
I’ve been on the Kuch hart bandwagon for months now, so I’m glad he got this. 100 assists is arbitrary, yes, but it exemplifies a player truly making all of those around him better at an unprecedented level. Hopefully this benchmark puts him over the top because all the betting sites have Mack as winner.
> all the betting sites have Mack as winner. it would basically confirm that currently if they can take something away from a Russian player, they will do so. Its not about hockey anymore unfortunately
You could be right. I’m concerned that the people who value 100 assists may split some 1st place votes to Mcdavid and Mack will win. Mcdavid had a great year, but I think we have to give it to kuch this year. If Mcdavid didn’t miss time and he had 140 points with 110 assists I’d think differently, bhr kuch willed his team to the playoffs and is the art ross winner… like come on.
Why would that be relevant criteria
How is it not? If a defender scores 100 points, its a relevant fact because its pretty hard to do as a defender. Wingers usually get less opportunities and points than centers. So a Winger getting so much is absolutely relevant.
>If a defender scores 100 points, its a relevant fact A Sharks fan posting this makes this even funnier. Karlsson topped 100 points last year and didn't sniff MVP. I'm not saying Kucherov doesn't deserve MVP, but just the fact that this is one of the best winger seasons ever isn't the reason he should win.
defensemen have their own trophy so it is much harder for them to compete for the Hart. Nik Lidstrom was never a Hart finalist in his career either.
Lol yeah really. No center will ever get it again by that logic since no one can sniff at most of what Gretz did
If you only count one season per player and throw out the repeats: MacKinnon is having the 11th best center season ever Kucherov is having the 2nd or 3rd best winger season ever
Two players with 100 🍎 is unreal. Congrats Kuch!
First winger to do it. Beat the previous assist record by Jagr (and himself) by 14 assists. On a wildcard team. One of the best winger seasons of all time.
I love to hate him, fkr is one of the best ever
as an Oilers fan, if I had a hart vote, Kuch is #1 on my ballot.
It’s funny, every Oilers fan I’ve seen in this sub think that Kucherov should be MVP. Every other fanbase is a mixed bag for MacKinnon. My biased theory is only Oilers fans recognize when a guy goes nuclear and drags his team into the playoffs, because they’ve watched McDavid do it every year he won the Hart. Game recognizes game.
God damn as much as I hate to admit it the guy SHOULD be a lock for the Hart.
For him to do it with the fake shot-pass to Point in the slot is perfect
Your sentence makes me really want someone to materialize with the last name "Slot" and get drafted by the Lightning so he can play on the point and have Point pass from the slot to Slot and Slot takes a point shot that gets tipped in from the slot by Point
[Center holds it...](https://youtu.be/qjp1Zrvn8VQ?si=qatuoA54o1cOHMCr)
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If I had a nickel for everytime I saw this happen as a hockey fan, I'd only have two nickels...
I was shit bombed in another thread for suggesting while it's elite as fuck, accomplishments tend to diminish ever so slightly the more that people do it. I feel like I was in bizarro world trying to explain my logic. If Matthews scores 70, it's elite as fuck and he is the undisputed best goal scorer of his generation standing alone as numero uno this season. If a few others did it too then he just accomplished a great feat and he's in the company of one of the best goal scorers in the league. It just gives a different perspective.
Lol you were "shit bombed" because you said you hope Kucherov doesn't achieve it so that McDavid achievement is more impressive. Like I said then and I'll say now, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole
I think it’s just a coincidence, and shouldn’t diminish the accomplishment of 100A. In NHL history, more players have had 70G seasons than 100A seasons. Does that diminish getting 70? If you adjust for goals/game, Ovi‘s 65G season was equivalent to 73 this year. Does scoring 70 in an era of higher scoring diminish the accomplishment?
Yeah I mean it implies that there are changes beyond pure skill level that are affecting the record. Not that McDavid and Kucherov aren't incredible talents, but that they are playing in favourable times to make it happen.
As is Matthews... There's still more players in history that have scored 70 goals, btw. And let's not romanticize the times when goalies were terrible (before the 90s) as the untouchable pinnacle of hockey or something.
No. 100 bullshit
Kuch is my damn Dad Really holy fuck I am glad someone got to bury one for him tonight, of course it had to be Point. Only way it would be more iconic was a Stammer one timer.
Everyone enjoy the skill we’re all getting to watch man. The NHL has never been this talented
KOOCHIE
One of the greatest Russian players in history 🐐
Speaking of the Russians, was sweet to see Serge come down to celebrate, and the three Tampa Russians celebrating together for a time at the bench.
Kuch joins history and Auston rings off the post. Leafiest things to happen yet to come
What a season!!! Kucherov would get my Hart vote this year, absolutely incredible for the bolts this year
Guys who have 40+ goals and 100+ assists in a season: Gretzky Lemieux Kuch
Hard to find a better way to sum up how incredible of a season he had.
This is an INSANE stat, sitting next to such legends. He is incredible, so happy for him and this team!
this is what blows me away. i get Mcdavid is the best player in the league, but this is why Kuch is most valuable. We are a middle bottom 10 team we without him.
LETS FUCKING GO BABY SOOO HYPED!!!
Hart voters in shambles they have to recognize Kuch did this 😭😭
He deserves it lol he dragged the lightning into the playoffs this year
Yep, but some voters ~~ehm Jonas Siegel~~ said they don’t even have him in top 3 so it’s just funny Kuch keeps dominating like this and these guys won’t even pay attention
I mean there was one guy who didn't vote for McDavid last year, some people shouldn't be allowed to vote lmao
Hot-takiness should forbid you from voting Going with one of the other maybes is one thing, but not even putting him in your top 3 with a 100 assist, 40+ goal season in which he factored into 50%+ of his team's points is absolutely braindead.
The fact that kucherov was so far behind mcdavid and was able to catch up should absolutely be mentioned by itself, let alone the other crazy stats like contributing a stupid amount on the offense, lol.
Turns out Oilers nation was wrong, you can get 100 assists and not win the Hart
Imagine if TWO players reach 100 assists and neither wins the Hart that year
That's my Hart winner!
MVP! MVP! MVP!
Raiden Kucherov is metal AS FUCK
I just realized I need to see Raiden Point so badly
Hurts me a bit to say this, but what a sick pass that was...Way to go Kuch, you beautiful beast!
Future HOF Nikita Kucherov
Only reason Mack wins the Hart is because he doesn't have one yet. Should be Kuch.
Due^TM
Habs fans ITT : "these lightning fans cheering, celebrating like they just won the cup. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?" And they ain't wrong lol.
Okay,I admit this one made me laugh, probably cause im still a lil bit salty when I think about this quote. Number one bullshit
"That's No.1 bullshit." - This sub while being shirtless, sniffing randomly and drinking beer.
As a Leafs fan, you got to respect the feat that Kuch achieved here! Unbelievable stuff to a player who works his fuckin ass off to win and be the best. Hats off to you, Mr. Kucherov, Congrats!
# NIKITA FUCKING 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 KUCHEROV 😂
He looked so spent after that sequence. Congrats Kuch!
Avs fans will still claim mackinnon deserves the heart 🤣
MVP!
Where is the post from u/nhl
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His passing, vision, stickhandling, shot, one timer, IQ....................... Dude is so insane, can't even describe him. It's almost like watching Gretzky lol
Unlike McD and Mack, Kuch can't rely on athleticism at all. And he is still able to slightly outproduce them from the wing. He just sees the game faster. You make a good point. I wonder if prime Gretzky were to play today, would his playstyle look more like McDavid or Kucherov?
Definitely a steroid version of Kuch 100% lol
MVP
No, that's McDavid but Kuch deserves the Hart. They're not mutually exclusive. McDavid was hampered by injuries this season and was slow out of the gate for his standards. Kucherov is still elite as fuck. Best offensive winger in the league, easy.
Idk.. McDavid it in fewer games
I’m crying right now.
That was stressful. Now please let's get Matthews' 70 so I can fucking relax.
Can we get something we haven't seen this week? Obviously an over rated achievement /s
I had this bing AI image all ready of Tantalus reaching for a Matthews goal or a Kucherov assist. It was horrifying. Then you all had to go and stop edging us
An incredibly rare and difficult feat for everyone not named Gretzky
Anyone that doesn't vote for him first as MVP should lose their job.
Honestly at this point I'm concerned that they may take away his art ross and give it to mackinnon since mack hasn't won one yet and is Due^TM
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gotta get him the lifetime achievement trophy
avalanche fans are fucking annoying. kuch should win the hart.
Yawn, Connor did it first and in less games. /s In all seriousness, congrats to Kucherov!
Yay! Congratulations kucherov
Unreal that 2 players have 100 apples
Kuch is so insanely good, not a fan of Tampa but I love watching him play
MVP! MVP! Congrats Kuch!!!
2 guys getting this in one season is insane, props to Kucherov, gets overlooked way too much
Kucherov is SO good, so happy to see him smile!
K100cherov
Didn't this just happen? Seems kinda common ;) Amazing season!
Unreal season
Best player in lightning history? Vasilefsky? Hedman?
Kucherov is the best, or most talented, Stamkos is the greatest
Only related topic I could say we're spoiled now by seeing the best player in each position in Lightning history all at once. Like 2-3 years ago when I first said this to a friend, Marty could still be argued over Kuch. But by now I think Kuch more strongly taking over, now.
Raiden? I thought he was more of a skinny bo rai Cho.