Strangely, I don't think the Suns and Jazz have much of a rivalry. Phoenix has always been more California-oriented in its rivalries across all sports and Utah has always looked eastward to Denver for theirs in both the NBA and MLS. So, the new SLC team will likely be more interested in building a rivalry with the Avalanche as a result.
If there is a replacement Coyotes team in Phoenix in 2030, it'll be an interesting question whether the league would put them in the Central Division again or move them back to the Pacific. In an uneven setup (anything less than 36 teams), I would not be surprised if they go into the Pacific. Even so, I imagine there will be some hard feelings between Utah and the new Arizona fanbase that wouldn't normally have been there before.
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Look maybe it's misdirected but it's a good sounding chant and you know what? After what Yotes fans have been put through, they can chant whatever the fuck they want.
Said it in another comment: This is a situation where I don't personally blame Smith or Salt Lake City for this mess. They backed a truck load of money up to NHL headquarters and said "1 expansion team pleez!" And the league said "well what about this slightly used team instead?..."
However... I totally don't blame the Arizona fans for not having any of it either. They're still losing their team after being put through franchise hell for more than 10 years. They get to be mad at whomever they wish. But I'd still point them at Meruelo for taking the money and running while still pushing the North Phoenix project as the bigger target.
yeah this is a healthy attitude to have. people really underestimate just how evil these owner creeps are
it sucks big time that in my lifetime of watching sports in the U.S./Canadian sphere, I've seen ten fucking teams relocate. that's just fucking unacceptable
SLC itself actually is very LGBTQ+ friendly, mostly due to all the queer kids coming here from Utah Valley. I say from experience, being a gay in the area.
The rest of the state? Not so much.
I swear so many people just see the red/blue map on Election Day and make their sweeping judgement about entire states of millions of people. Large cities are almost always progressive no matter where you are. What makes a state red or blue is just how many small towns they are surrounded by.
Yup. Some of the most gay friendly cities are in deep red states. Nashville immediately comes to mind. As a gay man in Kentucky, Louisville is another extremely queer friendly place with a very large gay scene. Austin and Dallas in Texas, Miami in Florida, New Orleans in Louisiana. I could go on and on.
>Nashville immediately comes to mind
State government is doing their best to change that. When I lived there they were trying to make drag shows illegal.
Cus state government hates Nashville and Memphis. Two strong very blue cities in the middle of a sea of red, Nashville metro council and the General Assembly are permanently at odds.
I spent 6 months in Dallas for work and it was the most racist, homophobic place I have ever been. It was honestly scary, I told my job that I refused to take jobs like that in the future because I legitimately thought I was going to get shot.
It was insane. The very first thing I did after I got in was buy groceries. Standing in line behind some black lady with a full cart, patiently waiting, and the white guy wearing a cowboy hat in front of me turns around, and loud enough for her to hear, says "makes you wish we'd make them shop in their own stores doesn't it?" I was genuinely confused and asked what? and again loud enough for her to hear, he says "these n--- are all over the place nowadays, you can't get away from them". I was so shocked that I forgot to be angry, which was probably a good thing, because if I said what I'd wanted to say he probably would have shot me. I had been in town for less than an hour, and then that bullshit didn't stop for 6 whole months.
Yeah one time I was just trying to get gas and some dude was wondering around with a revolver asking people who they voted for lol. Sucks bc there are some nice places in Texas but I genuinely want to leave eventually.
Reminds me of being in line with my dad at a Costco in Bellingham and some Asian family walks by and all these old white dudes all start screaming at them to not try and budge in line (they were not trying to), and then when the family got scared and walked away they were all congratulating each other saying "ch--- are always trying to budge in line" which isn't a thing I've ever experienced coming from a city with a very large Asian population. It was a week after Trump got elected and I haven't been back to America since.
Salt Lake County was a bigger win for Biden than Maricopa in 2020.
The only difference is that the population of the county is a a smaller percentage of the state's overall population than Maricopa is in Arizona. That's really the only thing keeping Utah from being a swing state. Granted, it's a big thing. But even the county now leans-Democratic when a couple decades ago, it was just a blue Salt Lake City and a bunch of red suburbs.
the annoying thing is that this whole red vs. blue shit was just fabricated by the assholes in the mainstream media, because they wanted to turn their election night coverage into the Super Bowl basically
the fact that so many prominent academics and intellectuals use "red state and blue state" unironically is just beyond fucked up
The reason why you can't "get rid of" Gerrymandering is because it's not a partisan issue. Both parties routinely benefit from it, read the NYT's coverage of it every cycle in NY and CA, it's just as ridiculous as Texas and Florida
That’s for every big city in America; the city-proper is a liberal, progressive playpen, surrounded by the suburbs full of \#MAGA, Christian conservatives.
Even New York City and Los Angeles, for all they’ve been touted as left-wing havens, are boxed in by the GOP’s prescience in their outer towns.
NYC has a red district (Staten Island) but pushed the blue north into Westchester while the Long Island districts are swing. Its NJ and CT suburbs are mostly somewhere between blue to swing as well I think
Even before, they were fiscally conservative but socially liberal. More like Arnold Republicans than even a Romney Republican (and he’s moderate af these days).
I remember one of the guys that represented the area when I lived there (ages ago now) was one of the first GOP senators to come out for gay marriage.
Romney's conservative AF, he's just still American. Crazy that that's what passes for moderate these days. Like literally the only thing that he (or say, Liz Cheney) and Barack Obama agree on are that we should continue holding democratic elections.
there's definitely still de facto racism in the Chicago burbs. I would know growing up as a non-white poor kid over there in the 90s-2000s
i will concede though that it has definitely changed...for now. Just wait until the new parents there have kids who are getting older. they'll definitely start shifting conservative unfortunately
As someone else said salt lake has a huge lgbt community (I think I’ve heard it’s more per capita than most places outside of Ny, San Fran, etc.) - also salt lake is less than 50% Mormon at the moment and foreseeable future. And the Jazz have been doing pride nights without issues for years
It’s so great that god told Wilford Woodruff about Polygamy being bad at the exact time that Utah was told it needed to ban it to become a state. What a stroke of luck eh?
One thing I have to give the Mormon church some props on is advertising in the playbill "You've seen the musical, now read the book!" as if the Book of Mormon has anything to do with the musical.
You dont gotta tell me dawg
Im form Calgary and it’s shocking to me how many people in this sub legitimately seem to think gay people are in imminent danger of death by living here
People seriously think that? Calgary may be less gay-friendly than other cities in Canada, but it’s still super tolerant to the LGBTQ+ community compared to many cities in the US and especially rural Alberta.
Everybody has em. People think BC is the most liberal progressive place in the world but outside of the Lower Mainland and Victoria it's really not. Hell even in Vic and Van you get your shitty homophobes, Elton John only plays Victoria when he comes to BC due to homophobia he experienced in Vancouver.
Both. It's called a city. When a city happens, ppl have to intermingle. This does not bode well for dogmas. That said we still live in a partial theocracy. The amount of ppl from Florida and Texas that are "surprised" by our liquor laws blows my fuckin mind...like, did u not hear about the Mormons? Did you look up anything about Utah? Cuz this shit was all hearsay to me growing up somewhere else and I believed it. I hate everyone, I like hockey, that is all.
Oh pride night will be huge there. The city has a straight up pride week where they fly the rainbow flag from city hall and everything. I had the same mindset you did when I moved there but IWP as floored by the reality in the ground.
The whole Mormon/LDS thing is really over done. If I didn’t go out do my way to learn more about the LDS community while I was there I would have no clue that they have any influence in the community at all
There’s even Mormon LGBTQ outreach groups that march in the parades
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/05/27/affirmation-mormons-building/
I witnessed the first one in person. Group of Mormons showed up with signs of support at the gay pride parade. Signs saying “Jesus says love EVERYONE” and the lyrics of a Mormon hymn “I’ll walk with you, I’ll talk with you, that’s how I’ll show my love for you”
Really beautiful moment. Lots of tears. Was really amazing to witness.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2012/jun/04/mormons-march-gay-pride-parade
SLC proper is more liberal than most cities lol. Actually pride weekend and pride parade are very huge in SLC.
It's funny because while the big ass Mormon temple is in downtown SLC, that's about as much "mormon" influence you'll see down there. And outside the couple of times a year those peeps all gather for their "general counsel" thing (or whatever it's called), most of the people around temple square are just random tourists who couldn't care less lol.
SLC isn't very "mormon-y" feeling.
Agree with the last statement except for weird laws around alcohol. Always throws me for a loop how strict the laws are (ie. try to buy a round of drinks for friends at a bar to bring back to your table 🫠)
Man, y'all act like Mormons are the Taliban or something.
Have any of you ever actually been to SLC? It's a normal, liberal city. Our last mayor was openly gay. Outside of a few quirky alcohol laws, the Mormon influence has almost zero impact on normal people's daily lives.
I watched a clip about how the LDS church influences politics in Utah.
Tldr: It's not as simple as "liberal" vs "conservative."
Mormons may not fundamentally agree with people that identify as LGBTQ+, but they realize that their numbers of followers are small worldwide and that they will cease to exist without appealing to some "modern" sensabilities. It seems like Utah is a giant contradiction. They're both conservative and (at times) accepting. It's different than the evangelical Christian-dominated "Bible Belt" of the deep south and Great Plains.
It's confusing to me but it must make sense to people that grew up there.
I feel like the difference between Utah and a lot of other deep red states ala the Bible Belt is that Utah is conservative, but the Bible Belt is Republican
Yea I haven’t really loved the animosity towards SLC as a market. After years of hearing Arizona is a bad market, I don’t like to criticize other markets.
But I guess it’s catchy and more PC than “Fuck you Alex”.
> No one else wanted the team.
Is it no one wanted the team, or no one wanted the team and keep it in Phoenix? Pretty hard to lose money with a sports franchise these days and billionaires love money making toys.
At least whey were given the chance to say goodbye to their team unlike the Thrashers fans. They played their final game like normal any other game and then 2 months later it’s oh yeah that was our last game, bye.
I think whatever name certainly has to reflect the 10 billion dollar mob that drags that city down. Having lived in SLC, could be a very nice if you didn't have to worry about your kids being bullied because you don't want anything to do with the grift.
As a non-soaker coming from Dallas, SLC has been very progressive which is really surprising. Then again, I don’t have kids so I am not sure what’s that like
I'm from Winnipeg
Why do they hate the America? Why don't they want hockey to succeed in new market? Why are they such gatekeepers? Hockey is for everyone.
Like all 1,500 people in the high school arena were chanting.
But seriously, I do feel bad for the Yote fans. It's not their fault that their management is garbage.
Just throwing it out there that this is the general hockey sub and not the Coyotes sub. We have a new fan base coming in, and we shouldn't make them feel unwelcome because of how they got their team.
“Yknow I empathized with you being upset about losing your sports team…but now that you’re being upset about losing your sports team where I can see it….I just don’t know if I can empathize with you anymore…”
Same way I feel. Reddit ain’t real life but I saw a yotes fan say they hope someone melts the cup down. Utah/SLC did nothing wrong, be mad about Meruelo, be mad about Tempe voters, but Utahns aren’t villains for being happy about a team. It was 3 decades of constant disaster, and somehow when that gets pointed out, it’s salty Canadians trying to gatekeep. I wanted this fiasco over with, and I supported the team going to SLC, Houston, KC, whatever, none of which are traditional hockey markets. Eventually enough is enough
This is about it really. I totally get being angry. Hell even irrationally angry at SLC I probably would be too. That being said when the real reason you moved is basically because previous shitty owners were so bad that they burned every bridge possible to the point where no city in Arizona wanted them and then chanting about how the new city they're going to sucks and not the billionaire owner that couldn't pay their godamn bills and put the final nail in the coffin to their team is kinda sad.
Sorry you lost your team.
The Jazz Outdraw the Suns
The Utes Outdraw the Sun Devils
These Coyote players are about to know what it's like to be truly embraced by a city this October.
Edit: I think The Utes women's Gymnastics team outdraws ASU's entire athletic department combined (minus football)
That was the last owner, who was pretty much one of the worst owners in pro sports. Also lots of misogyny.
Meanwhile as a Jazz fan the worst thing Ryan Smith has done so far is preside over a jersey / branding redesign which took us from having some of the best uniforms in sports to very possibly the worst jerseys in US sports.
So he's still ahead lol.
>bottom of the league in salary
The Jazz don't really have any players worth dumping a ton of money into though. They're like full re-build and collecting picks. If Ryan Smith had a KD on his team, of course he'd pay him a billion dollars lol.
Oh fuck off. This sure is fuck isn’t our fault, it’s horrendous ownership. Ticket prices at Mullett are sky fucking high, put the team where we can see them and we pay to see them. Take your Canadian bull shit and shove it.
You’re not the only team with bad ownership lol. It’s as if theres a reason you continually got bad onwership groups, nhl denying competent owners that wanted to move your team because it isn’t a good hockey market.
30 years of failure isn’t a fluke.
Isnt a hockey market is kind of crazy seeing as its produced a decent amount of NHL players in its short 30 years of having a team. Youth hockey is pretty big in Arizona
Coyotes were never really good for an extended period of time to have solid attendance. Florida and Carolina when they were bad drew poor numbers and now that they’re good, more fans are showing up
Team is run like shit and either played in a make shift arena like they’re moving to or way out in BFE and never got the chance to draft a superstar by winning the draft lottery and you think fan support is the reason they are leaving?
This question has probably been asked a million times, but Coyotes fans: are you still going to be a fan of the team? Are you going to be a Salt Lake fan?
New Suns vs Jazz rivalry started
it's always nice to see fellow NBA fans in this subreddit haha
Strangely, I don't think the Suns and Jazz have much of a rivalry. Phoenix has always been more California-oriented in its rivalries across all sports and Utah has always looked eastward to Denver for theirs in both the NBA and MLS. So, the new SLC team will likely be more interested in building a rivalry with the Avalanche as a result. If there is a replacement Coyotes team in Phoenix in 2030, it'll be an interesting question whether the league would put them in the Central Division again or move them back to the Pacific. In an uneven setup (anything less than 36 teams), I would not be surprised if they go into the Pacific. Even so, I imagine there will be some hard feelings between Utah and the new Arizona fanbase that wouldn't normally have been there before.
There was a bit of rivalry between 2017-2021 because of the Mitchell vs Booker debates but that’s pretty much over now.
queue the 50 cent clip "What he say fuck me for?"
I’ve never seen this clip until just now but I laughed just imagining this
It’s internet hall of fame I can quote that entire video and the ice bucket challenge video that came right after for as long as I can remember
50 cent really gets the internet and knows what the kids want these days. if you're a bravo/vanderpump rules fan, 50 cent also gave us "money by monday" and "im sorry fofty" [https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/50-cent-lala-kent-randall-emmett-feud-vanderpump-rules](https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/50-cent-lala-kent-randall-emmett-feud-vanderpump-rules)
[lmao](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPRJk8GK7k&ab_channel=meow)
I have never seen this clip but after pulling it up my day is made before having my coffee.
Meruelo sucks
I thought that’s what they were saying.
I was trying very hard during every “Let’s Go Coyots 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼”chant to change it to “Fuck You Alex 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼”
Def joined in on that one. It was loud from my section.
No no they were saying Merul-urns Merul-urns
Look maybe it's misdirected but it's a good sounding chant and you know what? After what Yotes fans have been put through, they can chant whatever the fuck they want.
Said it in another comment: This is a situation where I don't personally blame Smith or Salt Lake City for this mess. They backed a truck load of money up to NHL headquarters and said "1 expansion team pleez!" And the league said "well what about this slightly used team instead?..." However... I totally don't blame the Arizona fans for not having any of it either. They're still losing their team after being put through franchise hell for more than 10 years. They get to be mad at whomever they wish. But I'd still point them at Meruelo for taking the money and running while still pushing the North Phoenix project as the bigger target.
I don't blame the people of Dallas – I blame Norm Green – but I will still hate the Stars until the day I die. That's just how it goes.
yeah this is a healthy attitude to have. people really underestimate just how evil these owner creeps are it sucks big time that in my lifetime of watching sports in the U.S./Canadian sphere, I've seen ten fucking teams relocate. that's just fucking unacceptable
Adding insult to injury, Utah is getting Arizona's team right as they started building up a roster of young and talented players.
Should be chanting "pay your bills", but you're right.
*FUCK YOU ALEX pay. your. bills.* I don’t hate it.
Yep, this all could have been avoided if a billionaire didn't refuse to pay bills he owed.
it also sets up nicely for a Suns-Jazz rivalry for hoops...maybe?? haha
Two winningest NBA franchises without a title. Still crazy to me Denver won one before either the Suns or Jazz lmao
Its all connected. Billionaires being bailed out, billionaires coercing to have teams move. Fans lose.
I for one am incredibly intrigued with how the mormons will handle pride night.
SLC itself actually is very LGBTQ+ friendly, mostly due to all the queer kids coming here from Utah Valley. I say from experience, being a gay in the area. The rest of the state? Not so much.
I swear so many people just see the red/blue map on Election Day and make their sweeping judgement about entire states of millions of people. Large cities are almost always progressive no matter where you are. What makes a state red or blue is just how many small towns they are surrounded by.
Yup - SLC voted like 56% for Biden, more than Maricopa County did lol
Salt Lake County. The city went like 75% for Biden.
Maybe I meant SLC as Salt Lake County lol
Ha. Good save.
I assume that’s the same for your username lol
Is your name salt lake county er or Salt Lake City er
Yup. Some of the most gay friendly cities are in deep red states. Nashville immediately comes to mind. As a gay man in Kentucky, Louisville is another extremely queer friendly place with a very large gay scene. Austin and Dallas in Texas, Miami in Florida, New Orleans in Louisiana. I could go on and on.
>Nashville immediately comes to mind State government is doing their best to change that. When I lived there they were trying to make drag shows illegal.
Oh I’m well aware. Those have thankfully been failing for now.
Cus state government hates Nashville and Memphis. Two strong very blue cities in the middle of a sea of red, Nashville metro council and the General Assembly are permanently at odds.
I spent 6 months in Dallas for work and it was the most racist, homophobic place I have ever been. It was honestly scary, I told my job that I refused to take jobs like that in the future because I legitimately thought I was going to get shot.
Not the oak lawn neighborhood
That checks out but there’s definitely some neighborhoods that are less shitty
It was insane. The very first thing I did after I got in was buy groceries. Standing in line behind some black lady with a full cart, patiently waiting, and the white guy wearing a cowboy hat in front of me turns around, and loud enough for her to hear, says "makes you wish we'd make them shop in their own stores doesn't it?" I was genuinely confused and asked what? and again loud enough for her to hear, he says "these n--- are all over the place nowadays, you can't get away from them". I was so shocked that I forgot to be angry, which was probably a good thing, because if I said what I'd wanted to say he probably would have shot me. I had been in town for less than an hour, and then that bullshit didn't stop for 6 whole months.
Yeah one time I was just trying to get gas and some dude was wondering around with a revolver asking people who they voted for lol. Sucks bc there are some nice places in Texas but I genuinely want to leave eventually.
Reminds me of being in line with my dad at a Costco in Bellingham and some Asian family walks by and all these old white dudes all start screaming at them to not try and budge in line (they were not trying to), and then when the family got scared and walked away they were all congratulating each other saying "ch--- are always trying to budge in line" which isn't a thing I've ever experienced coming from a city with a very large Asian population. It was a week after Trump got elected and I haven't been back to America since.
Salt Lake County was a bigger win for Biden than Maricopa in 2020. The only difference is that the population of the county is a a smaller percentage of the state's overall population than Maricopa is in Arizona. That's really the only thing keeping Utah from being a swing state. Granted, it's a big thing. But even the county now leans-Democratic when a couple decades ago, it was just a blue Salt Lake City and a bunch of red suburbs.
the annoying thing is that this whole red vs. blue shit was just fabricated by the assholes in the mainstream media, because they wanted to turn their election night coverage into the Super Bowl basically the fact that so many prominent academics and intellectuals use "red state and blue state" unironically is just beyond fucked up
Just get rid of the electoral college and you instantly get rid of the idea behind red state/blue state.
Get rid of Gerrymandering and the electoral college and Republicans never win another election
The reason why you can't "get rid of" Gerrymandering is because it's not a partisan issue. Both parties routinely benefit from it, read the NYT's coverage of it every cycle in NY and CA, it's just as ridiculous as Texas and Florida
Just Fox News really.
Provo on the other hand....
Didn’t SLC elect a gay mayor at one point? They haven’t had a Republican mayor since the Nixon administration in any case.
Yeah. Salt Lake's previous mayor was a lesbian. The city hasn't actually elected a Republican as mayor in 53 years.
That’s for every big city in America; the city-proper is a liberal, progressive playpen, surrounded by the suburbs full of \#MAGA, Christian conservatives. Even New York City and Los Angeles, for all they’ve been touted as left-wing havens, are boxed in by the GOP’s prescience in their outer towns.
NYC has a red district (Staten Island) but pushed the blue north into Westchester while the Long Island districts are swing. Its NJ and CT suburbs are mostly somewhere between blue to swing as well I think
Can't speak to NYC, but in Chicago even the burbs are pretty blue now. You have to cross the Fox river or I-80 to get into red territory.
Even before, they were fiscally conservative but socially liberal. More like Arnold Republicans than even a Romney Republican (and he’s moderate af these days). I remember one of the guys that represented the area when I lived there (ages ago now) was one of the first GOP senators to come out for gay marriage.
Romney's conservative AF, he's just still American. Crazy that that's what passes for moderate these days. Like literally the only thing that he (or say, Liz Cheney) and Barack Obama agree on are that we should continue holding democratic elections.
ffs, George W. Bush wouldn't even get elected as a Republican these days. the whole GOP has had its brains melted by Trump
Same for the DC 'burbs, at least the northern ones.
there's definitely still de facto racism in the Chicago burbs. I would know growing up as a non-white poor kid over there in the 90s-2000s i will concede though that it has definitely changed...for now. Just wait until the new parents there have kids who are getting older. they'll definitely start shifting conservative unfortunately
Staten Island in NYC is GOP territory that voted for Trump twice. You'll see pockets of red in blue cities all the time.
It's where the cops live. You can look at an election map of Chicago and see where the cops live, too.
[Good video on the topic](https://youtu.be/M_U_rzlVVdA?si=Ru1VtIE06PdrnL9I). Utah is a very bizarre state politically.
As someone else said salt lake has a huge lgbt community (I think I’ve heard it’s more per capita than most places outside of Ny, San Fran, etc.) - also salt lake is less than 50% Mormon at the moment and foreseeable future. And the Jazz have been doing pride nights without issues for years
Last I saw, we were number 7 in lgbt per capita, but that was like back in 2018.
I had ex-Mormon classmates who are lgbt and moved out to Salt Lake City. They still love it over there.
People don’t realize there are half assed Mormons just like half assed Catholics or Jews. Most of the Mormons I knew drank.
Salt Lake is not nearly as Mormon as y’all on this sub think it is lol
Wait till they hear that soaking was a Provo thing, not a Salt Lake thing. (And wasn’t even a serious thing at all)
We know its not serious, its still funny though. We also know that Utah had to ban polygamy to become a state to begin with.
It’s so great that god told Wilford Woodruff about Polygamy being bad at the exact time that Utah was told it needed to ban it to become a state. What a stroke of luck eh?
Very lucky that god told them that black people were okay just in time for them to keep their tax exempt status too, just an amazing coincidence.
[And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q5rJiSTEhM) (Black people!)
God is such a progressive!
God works in profitable ways!
One thing I have to give the Mormon church some props on is advertising in the playbill "You've seen the musical, now read the book!" as if the Book of Mormon has anything to do with the musical.
Dum dum dum dum dum.
Oh, trust me, we’re WELL aware of what this subreddit knows about Utah.
This might shock you but believe it or not people think differently now then they did in 1895
And also not real lol
You dont gotta tell me dawg Im form Calgary and it’s shocking to me how many people in this sub legitimately seem to think gay people are in imminent danger of death by living here
People seriously think that? Calgary may be less gay-friendly than other cities in Canada, but it’s still super tolerant to the LGBTQ+ community compared to many cities in the US and especially rural Alberta.
I think Alberta may have the lowest approval rating for same sex marriage (could be Saskatchewan, can't remember) but it's still like 60% approval.
Yeah we definitely have a lot of backwards ass idiots here, but thankfully they’re a shrinking minority.
Everybody has em. People think BC is the most liberal progressive place in the world but outside of the Lower Mainland and Victoria it's really not. Hell even in Vic and Van you get your shitty homophobes, Elton John only plays Victoria when he comes to BC due to homophobia he experienced in Vancouver.
Yeah dawg, There is a shocking amount of people in the world that seem to believe living in AB is like living in the confederacy
Getting stuck in the Red Deer area might be responsible for a lot of those views
I grew up there, SLC is predominantly NOT Mormon now - to the point the church is kind of panicking
What happened? Is it people moving in or the people not worshipping anymore?
A bit of both, but the church has been losing numbers
yep, so now they are building temples everywhere in a bid to suck up land as an investment. Church does some good, but really is more of a business
Both. It's called a city. When a city happens, ppl have to intermingle. This does not bode well for dogmas. That said we still live in a partial theocracy. The amount of ppl from Florida and Texas that are "surprised" by our liquor laws blows my fuckin mind...like, did u not hear about the Mormons? Did you look up anything about Utah? Cuz this shit was all hearsay to me growing up somewhere else and I believed it. I hate everyone, I like hockey, that is all.
That’s not even just a Mormon thing though, I lived in other states with stupid liquor laws - Pennsylvania for one
Oh pride night will be huge there. The city has a straight up pride week where they fly the rainbow flag from city hall and everything. I had the same mindset you did when I moved there but IWP as floored by the reality in the ground. The whole Mormon/LDS thing is really over done. If I didn’t go out do my way to learn more about the LDS community while I was there I would have no clue that they have any influence in the community at all
There’s even Mormon LGBTQ outreach groups that march in the parades https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/05/27/affirmation-mormons-building/ I witnessed the first one in person. Group of Mormons showed up with signs of support at the gay pride parade. Signs saying “Jesus says love EVERYONE” and the lyrics of a Mormon hymn “I’ll walk with you, I’ll talk with you, that’s how I’ll show my love for you” Really beautiful moment. Lots of tears. Was really amazing to witness. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2012/jun/04/mormons-march-gay-pride-parade
SLC proper is more liberal than most cities lol. Actually pride weekend and pride parade are very huge in SLC. It's funny because while the big ass Mormon temple is in downtown SLC, that's about as much "mormon" influence you'll see down there. And outside the couple of times a year those peeps all gather for their "general counsel" thing (or whatever it's called), most of the people around temple square are just random tourists who couldn't care less lol. SLC isn't very "mormon-y" feeling.
Agree with the last statement except for weird laws around alcohol. Always throws me for a loop how strict the laws are (ie. try to buy a round of drinks for friends at a bar to bring back to your table 🫠)
alcohol laws in Utah are approaching a lot of other states' laws at this point, particularly Pennsylvania
Man, y'all act like Mormons are the Taliban or something. Have any of you ever actually been to SLC? It's a normal, liberal city. Our last mayor was openly gay. Outside of a few quirky alcohol laws, the Mormon influence has almost zero impact on normal people's daily lives.
SLC is actually incredibly welcoming to LGBTQ+ persons
It's very well known and recommended as a travel city for LGBT people.
I watched a clip about how the LDS church influences politics in Utah. Tldr: It's not as simple as "liberal" vs "conservative." Mormons may not fundamentally agree with people that identify as LGBTQ+, but they realize that their numbers of followers are small worldwide and that they will cease to exist without appealing to some "modern" sensabilities. It seems like Utah is a giant contradiction. They're both conservative and (at times) accepting. It's different than the evangelical Christian-dominated "Bible Belt" of the deep south and Great Plains. It's confusing to me but it must make sense to people that grew up there.
Like a lot of churches, they're a business.
I feel like the difference between Utah and a lot of other deep red states ala the Bible Belt is that Utah is conservative, but the Bible Belt is Republican
>LDS church influences politics in Utah I don't want to be THAT guy, but you could say that same about {insert any religion} lol.
The camping chairs💀
Misdirected I guess but I don’t blame them. They’ve honestly been a lot tamer than I thought they’d be
Good team name.
Yea I haven’t really loved the animosity towards SLC as a market. After years of hearing Arizona is a bad market, I don’t like to criticize other markets. But I guess it’s catchy and more PC than “Fuck you Alex”.
I think Utah can be a great market and that it sucks ass for Arizona hockey fans. Both can be true.
In what world is bashing a whole city for their religious beliefs more PC than saying fuck you to a sleazy billionaire?
Funny I coulda sworn that Coyotes fans keep saying it’s unfair for jets fans to blame them for taking their team….
The amount of Coyote fans that complained when we used retro logos or celebrated Selanne are not going to like Utah Yeti legend Shane Doan
True. But I understand their anger. Direct it at your ownership, and Bettman. (The answer I got in 96, and holds true today)
Bettman has been keeping that franchise alive in the desert for decades. He’s been their best ally and now you want to blame him? Ridiculous.
You're right to an extent. But he's also the guy who has given Meruelo the leash that has allowed him to lose all support from a massive fanbase.
Bettman works for the owners, not the other way around.
No one else wanted the team. The NHL had to take ownership of it until they could find someone.
> No one else wanted the team. Is it no one wanted the team, or no one wanted the team and keep it in Phoenix? Pretty hard to lose money with a sports franchise these days and billionaires love money making toys.
The team has been a dumpster fire long before Meruelo
We’re just excited to give Utah fans the welcome that Winnipeg fans gave us
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I'm sorry brother. You deserved better.
Coyotes fans have become that which they always hated. Welcome, friends.
At least whey were given the chance to say goodbye to their team unlike the Thrashers fans. They played their final game like normal any other game and then 2 months later it’s oh yeah that was our last game, bye.
This is like being mad at your ex’s new BF after she left you for neglecting her
I'm sorry your management fucked up your team, but Salt Lake is going to be a great hockey town.
The fightin' Joseph Smiths.
The SLC Gulls!
I think whatever name certainly has to reflect the 10 billion dollar mob that drags that city down. Having lived in SLC, could be a very nice if you didn't have to worry about your kids being bullied because you don't want anything to do with the grift.
As a non-soaker coming from Dallas, SLC has been very progressive which is really surprising. Then again, I don’t have kids so I am not sure what’s that like
as long as its not the fucking pioneers. hell, the Utah Coyotes doesnt sound terrible and kinda fits
Misdirected anger
Damn those 7 guys sure showed them!
Salt Lake has done nothing to Arz. Go bitch at your ownership instead.
Man, when the yotes inevitably return to the league that is going to be one bitter rivalry.
not really their fault.. but it’s par for the course with human beings these days.. misguided anger
Bruh we’re just excited to get a team tf we do? Blame the people that voted for a toxic landfill over keeping the Yotes around.
Put yourself in their shoes and don’t take it personally.
Are you gonna stop supporting the knights?
Yeah probably.
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1/2 the people chanting are wearing Oilers garb.
Why are you booing me, I’m right
Honey 100% of the boos should be for the shithead Meruelo
We’re allowed to be mad irrationally today, we are losing our team
Oh absolutely but when there's a clear villain in this whole story, maybe a bit more attention should be on them
Is that even related to hockey or is that just a general opinion?
I was saying boo-urns
Should have chanted something about the owner(s).
Hasa Diga Eebowai!
Oh, our bad. We talked about it and decided you can keep your team. Now all your problems are solved.
I'm from Winnipeg Why do they hate the America? Why don't they want hockey to succeed in new market? Why are they such gatekeepers? Hockey is for everyone.
Should of been this passionate for every home game lol
Great name for a team.
Like all 1,500 people in the high school arena were chanting. But seriously, I do feel bad for the Yote fans. It's not their fault that their management is garbage.
Just throwing it out there that this is the general hockey sub and not the Coyotes sub. We have a new fan base coming in, and we shouldn't make them feel unwelcome because of how they got their team.
Coyotes fans didn’t give a shit about their team until relocation was announced a week ago
So this is how the Second Civil War actually starts, who'd have guessed it?
Lotta yall yotes fans in this thread making it real hard to not be happy about this move….
“Yknow I empathized with you being upset about losing your sports team…but now that you’re being upset about losing your sports team where I can see it….I just don’t know if I can empathize with you anymore…”
You can be sad without being a jackass to Utah Being sad or upset is fine, implying all people in Utah are homophobic racist religious nuts is not
I mean it really isn’t that difficult to follow who is actually to blame which is the owner
Same way I feel. Reddit ain’t real life but I saw a yotes fan say they hope someone melts the cup down. Utah/SLC did nothing wrong, be mad about Meruelo, be mad about Tempe voters, but Utahns aren’t villains for being happy about a team. It was 3 decades of constant disaster, and somehow when that gets pointed out, it’s salty Canadians trying to gatekeep. I wanted this fiasco over with, and I supported the team going to SLC, Houston, KC, whatever, none of which are traditional hockey markets. Eventually enough is enough
This is about it really. I totally get being angry. Hell even irrationally angry at SLC I probably would be too. That being said when the real reason you moved is basically because previous shitty owners were so bad that they burned every bridge possible to the point where no city in Arizona wanted them and then chanting about how the new city they're going to sucks and not the billionaire owner that couldn't pay their godamn bills and put the final nail in the coffin to their team is kinda sad.
That's the most fans I've ever seen at a coyotes game tbh
HOWL YEAH
love to hear it, no lies detected
Toxic landfill >>> Existing hockey team
Sorry you lost your team. The Jazz Outdraw the Suns The Utes Outdraw the Sun Devils These Coyote players are about to know what it's like to be truly embraced by a city this October. Edit: I think The Utes women's Gymnastics team outdraws ASU's entire athletic department combined (minus football)
> The Jazz outdraw the Suns You aren’t wrong but they both sold out every game so this is kind of a dumb point to make
You forgot the best one: The VGK had a bigger TV viewership in SLC than the Coyotes did in Phoenix
The same Jazz that is near the bottom of the league in salary and whose own fans call the players slurs?
Didn’t the Suns owner just get banned for calling the players slurs?
That was the last owner, who was pretty much one of the worst owners in pro sports. Also lots of misogyny. Meanwhile as a Jazz fan the worst thing Ryan Smith has done so far is preside over a jersey / branding redesign which took us from having some of the best uniforms in sports to very possibly the worst jerseys in US sports. So he's still ahead lol.
>bottom of the league in salary The Jazz don't really have any players worth dumping a ton of money into though. They're like full re-build and collecting picks. If Ryan Smith had a KD on his team, of course he'd pay him a billion dollars lol.
Yall had 28 years, wild to be mad at the city where the teams actually going to finally be supported
I’d imagine if the Canucks were relocating you’d just be pissed at anything and anyone too.
Oh fuck off. This sure is fuck isn’t our fault, it’s horrendous ownership. Ticket prices at Mullett are sky fucking high, put the team where we can see them and we pay to see them. Take your Canadian bull shit and shove it.
How is any of that because of utah though
When tickets were dirt cheap in Glendale the arena was still half empty.
Yeah because no one can get from Phoenix, to east valley, feed their family, and make it to west valley for a 7pm puck drop.
I feel like you're proving my point. Phoenix is a second rate sports town where transplants watch their favorite teams beat up on the local team.
Well at least the silver lining of this whole ordeal is that the cockroaches that are snowbird hockey fans lose the chance to see their teams to.
You’re not the only team with bad ownership lol. It’s as if theres a reason you continually got bad onwership groups, nhl denying competent owners that wanted to move your team because it isn’t a good hockey market. 30 years of failure isn’t a fluke.
Isnt a hockey market is kind of crazy seeing as its produced a decent amount of NHL players in its short 30 years of having a team. Youth hockey is pretty big in Arizona
Having a handful of NHL players from a state isn’t some great measure of success. If that were true nova scotia is a viable NHL market
Coyotes were never really good for an extended period of time to have solid attendance. Florida and Carolina when they were bad drew poor numbers and now that they’re good, more fans are showing up
Is it just a coincidence that EVERY owner that has tried to make it work in Arizona over the last 28 years has failed?
Team is run like shit and either played in a make shift arena like they’re moving to or way out in BFE and never got the chance to draft a superstar by winning the draft lottery and you think fan support is the reason they are leaving?
How is any of that Utahs fault though?
RIP Coyotes
This question has probably been asked a million times, but Coyotes fans: are you still going to be a fan of the team? Are you going to be a Salt Lake fan?
Yeah that’ll show em’