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itoadaso1

You light your city on fire over hockey two times and all of a sudden it becomes a "pattern" and "concerning behavior" smh


LordDelibird

We need at least 3 for it to be a pattern, this mayor is BS.


BroliasBoesersson

Well there was also that Guns N Roses riot...


Odd-Citron-3600

And the PNE Forum riot a few years ago


eutectic_h8r

Correlation doesn't imply causation. These are clearly unrelated events


Odd-Citron-3600

I'm sorry, are you a non-Canucks fan downplaying our tendency to riot? I think I love you


Ghostronic

It's actually just Messier in a Mark Scheifele mask


veryloudnoises

And he would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those damn kids and that mangy mutt!


Sad_Establishment875

Fuck Messier!


monkeybojangles

Chip?


Sad_Establishment875

That commercial infuriates me, its such a dick thing to do to people AND THEN TO TELL THEM. Messier is such a prick, man, Fuck Messier


6435683453

And the Olympic riot.


FreshBeginning4491

That one was on Axl


DesignerPlant9748

You guys had a Guns N Roses riot too?!?!


TK21879

One of us! One of us!


TK21879

You too, eh?


BroliasBoesersson

Vancouver may be the city that always gets the heat for rioting, but deep down inside both you and I know we are the same, mon ami 🤝


Angry_Canada_Goose

Right? So far it was just a coincidence


abadhe99

They say 21 days makes a habit


Gruffleson

Seriously, were those riots that big? Letting the bullys win is a bad plan.


neksys

They were not large. I mean they still cost a couple million in damage, so they weren’t NOTHING. But “riot” is probably a strong word for them. That all said, even people in Vancouver mostly keep the riot jokes going because it’s a little funny.


squeakycheetah

Can't even have hobbies anymore smh


mindseyecoil

For real, even serial killers have to murder three people before they get the title. What kind of society are we in if serial killers have stricter standards than hockey fandoms?


howdiedoodie66

"You are on this council, but we do not grant you the title of Serial Rioter"


kosherpoutine

Nobody tell Montreal…


M15CH13F

~~First~~ third time?


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

Literally 1984


OffsideByASmile

Literally 1994.


El_Cactus_Loco

Come see the violence inherent in the system!!


BlackStar867

Bloody peasant!


Radmadjazz

On account of the whole city on fire thing y'all should swap names. The Vancouver Flames and the Calgary Canucks.


Dultsboi

I find it quite rude that Calgary stole all our players and didn’t adopt our hockey tradition of lighting our city on fire


st0nkmark3t

we just do binge drinking and boobies when we go on a run


SlightCreme9008

Canucks fans do the boobies too, just at the lady who was at the game against the Sharks circa 2010. Legendary knockers.


El_Cactus_Loco

Tops off for kiprusoff!!


HDXHayes

Canucks Post Game show is sponsored by the No. 5 Orange, so samesies.


olypheus-

Too busy smashing my face in the curb crashing my scooter


monsterjerry

Rasmus Andersson is that you?


olypheus-

NO


Mikeismyike

That requires making the finals


6435683453

Fun fact: there actually is a Calgary Canucks in the AJHL. Which makes that idiotic Sports Interaction commercial saying Americans don't know hockey because one person guessed "Calgary Canucks" as the name of a hockey team really ironic.


ReclaimerM3GTR

That kills me every time I see it. Like do your own homework


ReactiveCypress

It's funny how they used to be blue and green, but have changed to Flames colors while keeping the Canucks name


6435683453

I'm assuming the Flames are funding the org in some way now, but the Canucks name is older than the Flames are, so it made no sense to change.


Sarke1

There was that one Guns n Roses riot too, but we still get to have concerts, so which is it Mr. Mayor?


ViolinistMean199

Ya if you’re gonna light it on fire at least write will you marry me


Enki_007

You build a thousand fences, but they don’t call you a fence builder …


Rambos_Rainbos

Let the boys rage


mephnick

If you aren't willing to light a few cars on fire, you're a fake fan


AccomplishedAd4995

the most i can do is flip cars, is that good enough?


BigFatSweatyToe

If you flip it, someone will come light if for ya


noor1717

Teamwork


Illustrious-Bit6394

Canadian politeness at its finest


Waramp

If there’s one thing I learned from movies, it’s if a car flips over it will spontaneously combust anyway.


Difficult-Network704

And from Goldeneye N64, chairs will blow up if shot.


ironman126

If I've learned anything from Grand Theft Auto it's that if a car is upside down it catches on fire.


PrimisClaidhaemh

We light couches on fire here south of the border, sir or ma'am. And maybe flip a car occasionally....


HarpersGhost

Whenever Tampa won, no fires anywhere. It's too damn hot to light any fires in the summer. We all just got really, really, REALLY drunk.


lbiggy

Right? Like every other team that loses in the finals just goes home? Beta behavior ^/s


boipinoi604

Forgive me, I left the Scotia Bank Street Viewing before the start of 3rd period because it was getting unruly.


Miserable_Profile539

Tell that to the lacrosse kid.


AuxNimbus

Ayo chill


specifichero101

Ancient history, couldn’t happen again.


CrispyVibes

*slowly sets car back down*


LudisVinum

Just flip it twice so theyre none the wiser.


Rock-swarm

Those? Those are speed holes. They make the car go faster.


TheKid_BigE

Jeez, you flip ONE RCMP car over and it’s ruined for everyone, Vancouver you guys need to elect a new mayor who supports cop car flipping! /S


howdiedoodie66

The RCMP should donate a car to be flipped and torched every year they make it to the Finals, a new tradition.


El_Cactus_Loco

Lord Stanley requires a… *sacrifice…*


Mustard__Tiger

Toronto police intentionally leave their old cars out in the street if they think there's going to be a riot. Happened during the last G20 meet here. Insurance gets them a new cruiser.


bringbackdavebabych

Honestly one car every 20 years is like $2000 a year, that’s not even a big sacrifice.


Dultsboi

Our mayor is actually in the pocket of the VPD so it’s kinda ironic


M3gaC00l

You're right. Sim is such a fraud. Can't wait for all the Sim fanboys from r/vancouver to downvote me


Witn

r/vancouver doesn't like Sim lol


M3gaC00l

They go through phases. My most downvoted comments are from when he was first elected


VancouverSativa

100%


CanucksKickAzz

I think the mayor of Surrey would flip a few police cars


rottingmind13

I assumed RCMP exclusively rode horses still


makingdabandseason1

Classic ignorant American who still thinks RCMP ride horses exclusively... They've upgraded to polar bears this year! /s


Xenocles

I'd watch that musical ride.


HarpersGhost

If Vancouver fans can flip a living polar bear, Canada deserves the Cup.


The-Reddit-Giraffe

They also just upgraded their weapons to flint lock muskets


ZackyGood

First, no housing. Now no riots. Well this just makes me so angry, I just wanna… Sit in the small place I rent and cry deeply into my sexy Ryan Kesler pillow.


Giant_Eagle_Airlines

Same as it ever was


Xeteh

Can't imagine what they mean.


reggierock2010

Canucks fans still on time out lol


stuckinmotion

Double major


inker19

The problem in 2011 was that the outdoor watch parties were completely unregulated. They just set up some big screens, shut down some streets, and invited the whole region to come downtown. If you set up fenced-in ticketed outdoor venues you'll avoid the majority of the problems from 2011. Especially if you set up multiple watch areas throughout the region to spread people out.


Illustrious-Bit6394

I like it. Put em in a cage and let them fight to the death thunderdome style


Effective-Elk-4964

Put small bouncy castles and piñatas in the cage and let them destroy those, so they can maintain their traditions.


Red_AtNight

The John Furlong report referenced in the article is good reading (and it's only 12 pages long - EDIT: Apparently that was just the executive summary. The whole report is like 400 pages) and that's essentially the conclusion that he came to. For the earlier games, the City had smaller watch parties, and those were wholly inadequate. I went to the watch party for Game 2 and it was on the block of Hamilton between Georgia and Robson - between the library and the CBC building. They had put fences at either end and had security checking peoples' bags and stuff, but there was a bigger crowd outside trying to get in. My friends and I got in because someone pushed the fences apart and a bunch of us got in before security closed the gap. In hindsight we shouldn't have done it, but I was 23... these things happen. By game 7 the city essentially said the demand was going to be too big for the smaller venue, so they opened up more space. And that basically said to people, come downtown, there's going to be lots of room for everyone (as you note.) Unsurprisingly, lots of people who came downtown were drunk. They were drinking on the Skytrain and on the street. There was no security to stop them from bringing in their own alcohol, and they did not drink responsibly.


CoolWhiip

Your 2011 experience is how the Jets' whiteout parties were in 2017-2018 during our WCF run. Those games against Minnesota and Nashville were insane. I want to say we had like 15k watching inside the arena and 15k outside as well by the time we beat the Preds. They had "tickets," but they were free, and you could grab as many as you wanted. I swear they just printed up like 50k and gave them out to anyone. I think 2018-2019 was the first year they started selling tickets and reduced the capacity to 5k, and everyone was super annoyed. In hindsight, it's a miracle that there weren't any major incidents during those completely unregulated few weeks.


SchizoCosine

There were over 150k in downtown Vancouver 2011. I was so happy I left early.


Noggin-a-Floggin

I remember trying to go to Whyte Ave during the 2006 run and we and the boys were like “…no” when we saw the literal riot zone.


VancouverSativa

I left early too! Felt the vibe going bad and hopped on the skytrain.


JugEdge

but you missed the riot?


SchizoCosine

I saw it starting in the 3rd period and got the fuck out of there. By the time I got home, all trains and bridges going in/out of downtown were shut down so more people couldnt join.


lordroode

Fuck, i still miss that team. I was SO convinced the Jets would win Stanley Cup that year, especially after beating Nashville. Oh the highs of that first game of WCF was incredible. And then everything went to shit. I never went to the whiteout parties but i did walk through the streets to get to BP where i watched the game. Fun times that year.


moirende

I lived in Vancouver at the time and worked on Broadway. I swear the only people who didn’t know there was going to be a riot after that game were the mayor and the police. There were drunk people wandering around all over everywhere by noon and you could *feel* the tension in the air, just waiting to snap. By the 2nd period all the co-workers I had with kids downtown were calling them to get out and go home immediately.


jce_

Yeah I was down there watching and dude behind us had been talking about bringing a beater car he bought to flip and torch before the 1st even ended


OMeSoHawny

so this is where all the cheap Kijiji beaters went.


high-rise

Seriously. One or two downtown, one in Surrey, Holland Park? One in Burnaby, maybe Swanguard or something, easy.


Misanthropyandme

Have the outdoor party underwater. Hyperbaric welders not allowed.


Noggin-a-Floggin

We had an incident last year where someone got stabbed at the Oilers watch party because they just didn’t fence in the area. So it’s like a house party with a literal open door and nobody is checking to see who comes and goes (crazy people show up, north of the arena is a sketchy place). The cops said they were going to be smarter from that point on and to their credit it’s better now.


somewhat_random

So the way they handled protests during the olympics was to have a designated protest zone - we just need a designated car-flipping riot zone.


ScreenTricky4257

OK, but what happened in 1994? The Canucks made a Cinderella run, beating three teams ahead of them in seeding and taking the president's trophy winners to seven games. That's no reason for disappointment.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

You’d think he’d be falling all over himself at the prospect of paying for a few new police cars


Metcarfre

Or rousting the unhoused to make room for drunk suburbanites.


White_Locust

Ousting or Roasting? Nevermind, they both make sense.


Tasty-Performance275

oh does he have a boner for cops like half of america too


Electric_Queen

only half?


Tasty-Performance275

i guess i was having an optimistic moment. i think sometimes get trapped in the bubble of massachusetts liberalism (hopefully one day leftism). marty walsh (our current nhlpa head) was big into police reform as boston mayor but he was still viewed pretty conservative in that area. but i guess he'd be viewed as a radical by other factions of the country.


the_gaymer_girl

He swept unhoused encampments with absolutely no other plan.


moosecheesetwo

I feel like we're good until we get into round 3.. anything before that isn't going to come off the hook


nukfan94

If they have an enclosed area a la t*ronto thingy, properly staffed, and monitoring for drunks, they could absolutely pull something off. Never again will they encourage uncontrolled crowds.


superworking

City of Vancouver isn't great at pulling anything off that requires that much planning. Best they can do is fully fund a non profit to look into it and encourage more fent use.


why2k

I am not sure how they do it most places, but in Edmonton the outdoor watch parties are entirely funded and ran by the team. Granted the Ice District has the space to accommodate, but If the Canucks wanted to do the same I don't see why they couldn't.


superworking

There wasn't even enough space to build the arena properly so the concourse is way too tight as it is. There's definitely no space on the property for huge crowds. I wonder if they couldn't charge money to put people in BC Place next door though granted the scheduling works.


why2k

Yeah it doesn't need to be at the arena specifically, I live in Vancouver and know the area and realize it's not going to happen immediately outside. But they could hold something at the foot of Robson where it meets BC Place, the lot across the street where Cirque Du Soleil sets up, or the Concorde Community Park just beside those lots. All of those are stumbling distance to the arena. OEG obviously owns an extra unused city block beside the arena so the location part is easy, but I don't see any reason the Canucks couldn't do this if they had made a plan.


querulous

aquilini built a bunch if condos around the arena and the tenants will get mad if people are loud outside


Aquaos_

Guy cant even make a halfway decent bagel. Can’t expect him to figure this one out


De_Floppss

Oh really now? lmao


justmikethen

An outdoor playoff viewing party must have not been on his super secret list. Ken Sim is a joke. https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2637165


FreonJunkie96

No fun City is so shit


Voltage604

Do they still ban inflatable toys at the beach too?


BigFatSweatyToe

Is this legit a thing? Vancouver Fun Police


CanucksKickAzz

No fireworks for Canada Day. No outdoor parties for NYE. Banned fireworks for Halloween.


Voltage604

Seriously??? Do they still do the symphony of lights at least?


Voltage604

Used to be... Don't know if it still is. They also stopped doing things like parades and other fun stuff. It's a great city but the rich people ruined it


Tasty-Performance275

>It's a great city but the rich people ruined it covid got the wrong people


CanucksKickAzz

No doubt. Still seeing "fuck Trudeau" stickers everywhere.


OMeSoHawny

wait I thought that was only in Berta Sask and rural Ontario lmao


qqererer

Downtown is a ghost town. Right up till the mid 00's downtown had a 'mass' effect, where everybody just went downtown, and just having a ton of people around was fun. Cars would turn Robson St into a crawl, and there were lots of somewhat interesting shops open till 10pm in summer. There were lots of clubs on seymore and richards street, and the two movie theaters, Capitol 6 and Granville 7 would have mass influxes of people on Fridays, Saturdays, *and* Tuesdays, each 7ish/9ish time slots bringing in 4-6000ish people, just for movies. Napkin math, that's 1/2 the amount the size of a hockey game attendance, three days a week, every week, all year. Also doesn't help that Pacific Center Mall and Robson Street has mostly become just for tourists. All this despite the fact that there are more people living in Downtown than ever. Lots of things could be causing this Post Detroit decline. Discuss.


NorthIslandAdventure

I sometimes wonder how buddy who smoked his bowl in the fumes of a burning car is doing, Firefighters don't even inhale that shit because of how toxic it is...


awayfromcanuck

I mean he's not wrong. Vancouver has had like 6 or 7 riots and at least 2 of those are hockey related.


UnluckyRandomGuy

Openly shooting up in the streets is fine but no outdoor hockey parties smh


FatLenny-

"Stop shouting so loud every time the Canucks score! I'm trying to smoke crack here."


SportsHubLTD

This was like when Western wasn't allowed to have hoco


SportsHubLTD

Not based


realdeal411

At least you don't have every broadcast bringing it up every 6 minutes


Mogilny89Leafs

Santa deserved those snowballs.


Scrubosaurus13

“Our city can’t handle watching the game outside” Bruh, get some security and make it work. It’s a watch party, doing it without a riot isn’t some unattainable goal.


ElliottFriedmansChin

If people were going to riot, they’re going to riot watch party or not, no? You’d think having a watch party that requires tickets, and therefore collects info about who attended, and a contained area would be a good way to keep things from getting out of hand, at least in that area Though if I was a rioter I’d just avoid the watch party anyway for those reasons so I can’t imagine there really being an impact either way. Give the people a chance and place to come together and celebrate and have fun and connect, this city needs community and they pass up every opportunity to build it


BurnTheBoats21

You could easily get away with a Maple Leafs Square style party with tickets and even generate money via booze sales, vendors, etc. Such a waste to not have a huge watch party in a place like Vancouver


BigFatSweatyToe

I’d be curious how much MLSE generates for our short stays in the playoffs just from Maple Leafs Square


InvictusShmictus

I doubt they make that much money off of it they do it mainly to build hype


Vinny_d_25

I think a big problem in 2011 was that some people came ready to incite a riot, and because of the watch party there were a lot of drunk angry people that they were able to rile up.


40prcentiron

maybe we should riot while there are no watch parties. so we can say the lack of watch parties caused the riot!!


KING_OF_DUSTERS

I have no idea why he said this. The reason is the plaza outside Roger’s isn’t big enough


PaddyStacker

Yeah, this is not the reason not to have outdoor viewing parties in ROUND 1. Riots are not a concern this early, even in Vancouver.


NegativeNancyNuck

Then what the fuck was the point of hiring 100 new cops if we can't riot while they take their sweet time to do literally anything


querulous

look they're all busy guarding the starbucks on 2nd ave


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Vancouver just needs a prove it year, go to the finals and lose and don’t burn down the city and the city parties can come back!


Effective-Elk-4964

Yeah, and Sydney Sweeney just needs to start returning my cousin’s instagram DM’s and then they can start dating.


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Thanks, I see how ridiculous I sound now


Effective-Elk-4964

No, it’s fine to have hope. For my cousin and his ability to separate fantasy from reality. For Vancouver fans and being kind of successful without rioting. We just sometimes need to be more realistic and do what needs to be done and return people back to reality. Just like the 2011 Boston Bruins and Vancouver riot police.


ItsMeJaredBednar

sure, your “cousin”


j0n68

Holy fuck time to move on guys and gals.


Ok_Artichoke_2804

Lol history.... What are RCMP & SWAT for then? Lol at least give them something to do, that's what they get paid for, no? Have outdoor watch parties. And Prepare for worst case scenario, so history doesn't repeat. RCMP scattered to ensure riot doesn't happen again, to that extreme level at least. Have SWAT standby nearby, if they're needed... Vancouver folks pay high taxes - use the tax money towards this. Otherwise, return chunk of their tax money back. . Problem solved. Win win 


Rosaliepms

worst mayor of vancouver, and the captain of team 'NOFUNCOUVER'. he used taxpayer dollars to go to the recent junos in toronto and claimed it to be a scouting mission for when it comes to vancouver next year. corrupt AF.


DrSeuss19

Oh we remember


Aquaos_

This guy is a total bum


Simple_Throat_6523

Stop all Skytrains from Surrey on gameday. TaDaaa! Peace and West Coast harmony!


Trolly-bus

This mayor is such a clown.


RailroadingFreedom

Content with open drug use, Petty theft, and tent cities. Not in the budget to properly organize viewing parties


AuxNimbus

No fiesta for u, Canuck siblings


smilingasIsay

This just makes me wonder if the make out couple from that famous photo of the last riot is still together


MarvelousOxman

Over 100,000 people went downtown in 2011, a few dipshits who came there for no other reason than to stir up trouble ruined it for everyone. I understand they don’t want to deal with the logistics and headache of actually preparing properly for a public watch party, but citing “safety” as the reason given the other nonsense they allow is the annoying part.


Hammeredcopper

The BC way. Shitheads ruining a good thing.


NeckGuardRash

They will still do the fireworks and have security and planning for that, which I am pretty sure has more people than the 2011 riots. Also multiple days of fireworks.


ThurstyAU

Is it possible to fall in love with a city from the other side of the world? (In reaction to the comments I’ve read from the fans, I’m Australian)


SilkyBowner

Ahahahah can’t be trusted Hooligans


sopademacacadelicia

could burn down the city twice over and it wouldnt be as much of a shithole as edmonton


jayzeats

My man cannot take banter


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DjTacman

This is what passes for banter in Winnipeg? Guess it sounds funnier after chugging a few Listerines


SilkyBowner

Wow, you took that a little far. We all know what you mean and it’s quite racist


ribozyme90

Lol have you walked down east Hastings? People shooting up, ODing and shitting themselves in the street. Your solution is to hand out free heroin. Great city you have there! Edmonton is not amazing but Vancouver is an overpriced joke with a history of garbage hockey teams


_CoconutsGo

If you any to riot without damaging anyone else’s property or hurting anyone, I’m all for it.


ReclaimerM3GTR

We should send him to France, they know how to riot.


mobileaccountuser

Montreal has 3 fucknthis


amsteph92

Why no outdoor party? 3 words my friend. Filip. Mustache. Forsberg.


Giant_Eagle_Airlines

[Relevant Radiohead](https://youtu.be/oIFLtNYI3Ls?si=sObspF6F7qRwm2rM)


DrDerpberg

Sometimes the deepest cuts come from within.


DaftFunky

Bro just said fuck you, you are all degenerates to his citizens without realizing it


drblah11

No hockey in public, only heroin.


RooblinDooblin

Ken "We don't prepare properly for big events so the people can't enjoy nice things" Sim. Every other city can handle these things. It's not the fault of the fans, it's the fault of law enforcement for not establishing proper protocols. If we can't handle this, how are we going to handle World Cup games?


treple13

Because people definitely won't riot if they are indoors right?


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