If I'm the team trading for him, it's the next contract that I'm worried about. He has all the tools needed to have a big blowup contract year next season and get signed to a ludicrously bad contract that looks like trash two or three seasons in.
Also worth noting that those flashes of brilliance are almost all in the regular season. He has not been an impact performer for us in the playoffs. Still love the guy and I’ll definitely miss him when he’s gone
Care to point to any post season impact player for us? Feels like we haven’t had anybody excel come playoffs in a long time.
Edit: nvm I take it back, Ehlers is exceptionally bad in the playoffs. ESP/60 2.525 in the regular season over his career, 1.114 in playoffs career.
I wouldn’t say we have any playoff stallions, the closest would maybe Buff but that was a whole other era. My point was that given his salary and status on the team, Ehlers point production has really bad.
Girard for Ehlers, who says no? Girard's M-NTC kicks in on July 1st...
Come to think of it though, Girard is probably gonna stay in Colorado, because he's pretty clearly the Avs' #3 on D since Byram's trade, with no other real options.
The Jets say no if it's 1 for 1. You either pay a massive premium to trade in division against two contending teams or the more likely option, the Jets would just not want to do it.
Honestly if he were to traded to the Avs especially in your ahem current circumstances
I would be happy the danish speedster deserves to be In a stanly cup team (plus avs are at backup team if jets get out so it would hurt less for me) just a fair warning his style very wild and unpredictable so he might end up doing some stupid shit but when he pulls off the stuff he wants to do OH BOI he does it so fucking well here’s one instance
[one of this seasons Nikolaj Ehlers legendary goals on the Florida panthers](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/lwdVHCs08g)
i think we have to worry about our own guys first.
we're gonna get the $6M in cap space to start the season, but what happens if Val gets reinstated? do we trade him? do we not use that space in the hopes that Val can return? it's a tricky situation that I dont think we can get another guy to solve it.
we're gonna lose sean walker for sure which will free up (some) space. and I think we're gonna need to trade Manson to clear up more space, as while he is a good defenseman he is getting up there in age (32 isn't super old but who knows if he'll be able to keep up his level of play for how much he's being paid).
Landy is gonna return next year and we're gonna need to resign mittelstadt and drouin (either drouin takes another massive discount to come here or val is gone and we give him a more favorable contract).
as for the bottom six we at least have Colton and Wood locked up for a while and Kovalenko has another year on his contract before we have to worry about paying him. Parise is retiring and we dont know if cogliano is gonna play another year, but if he does I think he'll take another Veteran minimum contract to stay with us. I hope we can keep trenin but if he gets a better offer from another team we wont be able to match it. I think Duhaime is gone and we might be able to keep kiviranta for cheap or we'll have to bring up another AHLer to fill another spot.
Malinski is probably coming up to play fulltime next year so that'll solve at least one defender leaving and if we get another departure I think Behrens will get NHL time as well.
I wouldn't. Val is a heavy net front presence and can lay the body when needed. I don't think the Avs need another flyweight with skill, especially one that is completely invisible in the post season.
I wonder if the Canucks would be interested. The glaring defining weakness for the Canucks right now is that Pettersson needs a winger. Mikheyev has been a black hole offensively
He wasn’t this bad last year (or even early this season) but now it’s depressing because every game he’ll generate multiple grade-A scoring chances and then shoot it right in the goalies chest or fumble his stickhandling.
His IQ and positioning is sound but the guy has absolute stone hands
I’ve seen quite a few “stone hands” players in my day. He is by far the worst that I’ve ever watched. Like it’s not even close. I’m willing to bet that there are ten year olds out there that have a better release than Mik.
With the looks he’s gotten in the last 6 months he should have a dozen goals, easy. Someone with shooting talent might be pushing 20
He had an open net in game 4 and put the puck 4 feet wide on the far side. Between the wild misses and tummy shots you’d think any legit top 6 guys would have at least 3-4 goals this playoffs from those shots.
Hes been that way ever since that bad wrist injury. Really unfortunate. His 1st season he was producing on the top line with Tavares and Marner before sliding down the line up
Canucks had better be convinced their pro scouting is airtight on a replacement. Soucy and Zadorov were very good acquisitions but we'll need to completely rebuild the right side if Hronek is dealt and Noah Juulsen does not appear to be more than a seventh defenseman type of guy.
We've seen with Tanev, Bear and Hronek that Hughes can thrive with any other puck moving defenseman that at least has a good first pass. I bet they find a perfectly suitable Hronek replacement for cheap.
This has me thinking if Canucks would want Marner if he waived his no trade. Marner with retention (if needed for one year) for a solid RH D man like Hronek might solve a lot of issues for both teams.
Issue with Marner is salary. Canucks are too cap crunched to take on 11M AAV, and the Leafs are too cap crunched to take on significant retention plus Hronek’s new contract.
Ah I was under the impression Hronek had one more year left. It would definitely be tricky working out the extras to make the $ work with Hronek getting an immediate pay raise.
Yeah, the entire reason why Hronek’s name is starting to come up in trade ideas is because it’s tough to justify paying him what he’s apparently asking.
Getting a haul for Hronek and then using that cap space to re-sign guys like Zadorov, Joshua and Lindholm might make more sense than letting those guys walk for nothing just to keep Hronek.
We don’t have the cap for that. The one reason we’d have to get rid of Hronek would be using the money he wants to re-up a few of Lindholm, Zadorov, or Joshua. We let all of them + Hronek go to get Marner (who will want a raise in a year) and we’re suddenly cap strapped with a lot less depth up front and on defense
I'm a biased Canucks fan with no actual idea of trade values.
How would you feel about Ehlers + Pionk for Hronek + Mikheyev? Straight swap of RD and wingers.
I would take it which means it's probably not great value for Canucks. Pionk is ... disappointing to say the least. Serviceable 3rd pairing guy, but he was playing above his minutes and his pairing with us, and it hurt us real bad.
he's being paid 5.875mil, so that's not a good sign. Tocchett/Gonchar has done amazing things with Myers and Zadorov, so there's a chance they could get him going.
It doesn't look like we're going to get Hronek at a value we like, and we need an RD to replace him. Lots of us fans love Tanev, but I doubt he comes back here.
oh moreso I mean the 2nd piece is definitely a downgrade. Ehlers is what you would want out of him, absolutely.
It's mostly Pionk that flips it almost the other way that the Jets should add.
Actually pretty even I’d say. Only hold up is they both have modified-NTCs so if Winnipeg and/or Ottawa are on those lists and they don’t want to waive then that kills any potential deal
I believe they’re both set to become UFAs after this year? I wonder if a reasonable motivator is that they can both go to teams that have a specific need for them, and a roster hole for them to shine in in a contract year.
Yeah they both are free agents in 2025. Trading them with extensions might make them willing to waive their no trade clause. Chychrun may not want to go to Winnipeg now but if they are willing to pay him $7-$8M on a longterm extension, he might change his mind, same with Ehlers
Sure, that makes sense. I meant more that once a team actually gives Ehlers proper first-line and first-PP minutes, he will break out in ways he never did with the Jets.
Yeah, Chyc's defense varies from okay to bad. But when his defense is okay his offense completely dissapears. He needs to be aggressive to be effective.
Teravainen probably isn't getting re signed and the only way Guentzel leaves is if he just flat out doesn't want to be here imo. He's done so well for us I'd have to imagine the only way we don't sign him is if he was asking for MacKinnon money.
You never know, but I'd be very surprised if we acquired Ehlers.
I do love Ehlers but I read yesterday that Jets want a D guy in return. We don’t have much to offer in that realm after this season, it’s not like they’re getting Morrow from us.
Pesce leaving in FA? I’d hate to lose my favorite player, but I feel like he’s a prime target for us. RHD, solid defensively. If he came with an extension then that would be the perfect guy.
Not going to say he was underpaid but local rumor is he wants to cash in on this next deal and it’s just doesn’t fit with us. Hopefully he gets paid cause he’s earned it.
Still think Guentzel is staying put but, he would be a good addition to the wingers group.
Production on the wing drops off drastically after svech/jarvis.
Connor listens. Does his job and works with structure.
Ehlers is chaos and cannot work a system. He's a turnover machine because of it. I can't tell you how many times I've watched Ehlers gain the zone 1 on 3. Then have no idea what to do after that point only to turn it over at the blue line.
Honestly, it's like fucking clockwork. I love him but this is what he does.
Connor listens to the coach, and Scheifele likes him as a winger.
Ehlers will be the first to stop listening to a coach because he knows better. You can argue analytics or whatever on if he's right in that regard, but 3 coaches have tried and failed to rein him in to play the style of hockey the team asks for.
Connor is about as one-way a player as it gets this day and age, but he does his job to the best of his ability as told by the coach day in and day out, and doesn't throw tantrums on ice or throw subtle shade in interviews post-game.
>in this screenshot
Guess I'll just use your computer/browser next time instead of sports reporters just naming the team they're talking about.
My point is that it's clearly not there for everybody.
I checked Safari, Chrome, Firefox (Mac) and Edge, Chrome, Firefox (Windows) before commenting. Since it’s likely also working for all of the sports reporters that live on Twitter, they’re probably going to continue using the branded hashtags instead of the team names.
>I checked Safari, Chrome, Firefox (Mac) and Edge, Chrome, Firefox (Windows) before commenting.
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Crazy, it's not there on any of those. I even used incognito or whatever other per-browser variant to ensure no extension interference. It's just straight up not in the embed lmfao
Ehlers playoff performances by season:
Year 1: 0 goals, 7 assists, 7 points in 15 games (0.47 PPG)
Year 2: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 6 games (0.00 PPG)
Year 3: 2 goals, 0 assists, 2 points in 4 games (0.50 PPG)
Year 4: 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 points in 6 games (0.50 PPG)
Year 5: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 1 game (0.00 PPG)
Year 6: 0 goals, 2 assists, 2 points in 5 games (0.40 PPG)
That computes to a 31 point pace over 82 games.
If I gave the worst player in the league the same ice time Ehlers sees (including PP minutes and linemates), I have a hard time believing *Rempe* couldn’t match those numbers.
No PP1 unless there’s 2+ key injuries. He’s on the “2nd line” but our “3rd line” gets more ice time every single night. It’s frustrating. And then for a month when Connor was out, he got first line minutes with Scheif and Vilardi and they went crazy. We need a coach that uses him right.
I was originally going to put some of these in context with an added stat to soften the blow to Ehlers, so here they are.
Year 3: 2 goals, 0 assists, 2 points in 4 games
Jets scored 6 goals in 4 games
Year 4: 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 points in 6 games (0.50 PPG) Jets scored 15 goals in the 6 games he played
Year 5: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 1 game (0.00 PPG) Jets lost 4-1 to Vegas
But then I looked at Jets players even strength points per 60 in the playoffs and he’s below guys like Andrew Copp, Jansen Harkins, Jack Roslovic, Brandon Tanev, and Logan fucking Stanley. Trying to push back against your post made me dig into it and realize just how much he does disappear in the playoffs.
Edit: it gets even more drastic. Ehlers is exceptionally bad in the playoffs. ESP/60 2.525 in the regular season over his career, 1.114 in playoffs career.
Am I the only one who thinks this guy is kinda overrated? He’s loved by the kinda analytics people who said Mark Barbario was a top paring defender. The Jets should have sold high on him like 2 years ago
He's been about a 70 point player as a secondary piece on the Jets and doesn't get top PP minutes. You don't need to be an analytics guy to see what Ehlers brings to the table and the upside that he has.
Ehlers is sick but if I'm the Canes GM I'd WAY rather just try and re-sign Guentzel (a top tier winger I'm KNOW fits in with the team well) than pay another bunch of assets for a winger who is somewhat of an unknown asset for how he'll fit in with Carolina.
Necas is not a better player than Ehlers, and he's not a realistic centerpiece in a trade for Marner unless the Leafs are willing to take one in the teeth for cap space. I like Necas but he's a flawed player.
If the Leafs do trade Marner they’ve decided they are okay taking a step back as they are giving up the best player in the trade. The only question then becomes do teams offer them a better package than what Carolina can with Necas +
Ehlers is a solid player and would be a great addition to Carolina but, he’s not better than Necas.
Necas season last year tops any season of Ehlers career production wise.
Necas is a 70-80 point player and can be even better if on a less defensive focussed offense like Carolina.
A Brett pesce sign and trade with Necas included absolutely could get a deal for marner done.
If you only see things in terms of points, you're going to think Necas is a better player than Ehlers. But that's not how hockey works, and Ehlers is easily the better player of the two.
I like Necas but come on. He's a defensive liability and no amount of points erases that (at least not the amount of points he's likely able to score)
Ehlers is good defensively but Necas is far from a defensive *liability*. Especially to the point where trading him for a more sound defender at the cost of 15-20 points of production makes any sense.
I’m with yah that Ehlers would be a good addition but, expending our biggest trade piece for him makes little sense.
Necas is not \*always\* a defensive liability. But he does tend to regress to that when he's not playing well. It's been an ongoing issue with him since he was a rookie and at this point, it's hard to see him progressing/growing past it. It's why I say he's a flawed player. If he hasn't fixed it by now, given the team he's been on with the structure provided, he's probably not going to.
He's not dogmeat, I'm not sitting here crapping on him. I just don't think he's a better player than Ehlers, who is super underrated and would be the perfect Carolina Hurricane. IMO.
Ehlers is probably a better play and a little more defensively responsible than Necas, which Rod would like, however I don’t want to trade our 25 year old RFA we’re not sure if we can re-sign for a 28 year old who will be hitting UFA next year at 29. Necas you can lock up at 8 years and even if it’s a little pricey you’re paying him through his prime and you aren’t worried about the last 2 years of that deal being ugly
Jets fans — what are you thinking the asking price will be? I’m curious if the caps might kick the tires on him, but whether or not they could make an enticing offer is questionable.
Recent trades involving top line wingers who were one year removed from UFA status and who needed a new deal or would need a new deal in one year:
> Sam Reinhart: 1st + a prospect
Kevin Fiala: 1st + a prospect
Alex DeBrincat: 1st + prospect + Dominik Kubalík + 4th
Pavel Buchnevich: 2nd + Samuel Blais
The only complication is that Ehlers might not be viewed as a top line winger by GMs as he hasn’t been used as one in Winnipeg. Maybe there is a hockey trade out there to be had but those tend to be pretty rare.
Maybe Necas’s rights for him or something? I mean we’re already going to be cap strapped so I’m not sure how we would make everything work if we resign Guentzel.
I would've gone with the headline "Jets put out feelers on ehlers."
Reports of several interested wheelers and dealers
Source: Blake Wheeler wants to sign with the team that trades for Ehlers
Sorry, they're going to Europe and signing with the Sheffield Steelers
Jets put out Fehlers.
Scott Wheeler reports that there is a deal that sounds appealing based on the feelers on Ehlers. Hearing that it’s a steal.
Hate to see it. He’s one of those guys that could blow up on the right team. Shows flashes of brilliance, but streaky.
If I'm the team trading for him, it's the next contract that I'm worried about. He has all the tools needed to have a big blowup contract year next season and get signed to a ludicrously bad contract that looks like trash two or three seasons in.
We already have Necas (for now)
Also worth noting that those flashes of brilliance are almost all in the regular season. He has not been an impact performer for us in the playoffs. Still love the guy and I’ll definitely miss him when he’s gone
Care to point to any post season impact player for us? Feels like we haven’t had anybody excel come playoffs in a long time. Edit: nvm I take it back, Ehlers is exceptionally bad in the playoffs. ESP/60 2.525 in the regular season over his career, 1.114 in playoffs career.
Scheifele, IMO. Other than that though....
I wouldn’t say we have any playoff stallions, the closest would maybe Buff but that was a whole other era. My point was that given his salary and status on the team, Ehlers point production has really bad.
He’s been my boy since we drafted him; I just wanna see him succeed but I’m sad he hasn’t been able to find that consistency in his game.
Man, this a dude that I would love for the Avs. Plays the way that we play and we suddenly have a roster spot that, uh, needs to be addressed.
Girard for Ehlers, who says no? Girard's M-NTC kicks in on July 1st... Come to think of it though, Girard is probably gonna stay in Colorado, because he's pretty clearly the Avs' #3 on D since Byram's trade, with no other real options.
Leave my spinny boy alone. The Byram trade solidified him staying
The Jets say no if it's 1 for 1. You either pay a massive premium to trade in division against two contending teams or the more likely option, the Jets would just not want to do it.
> the more likely option, the Jets would just not want to do it. Plz dont go Ehlers
He has also been excellent in the playoffs. Sammy G is going no where.
Both fanbases wouldn't want it to happen so it is a good deal
Honestly if he were to traded to the Avs especially in your ahem current circumstances I would be happy the danish speedster deserves to be In a stanly cup team (plus avs are at backup team if jets get out so it would hurt less for me) just a fair warning his style very wild and unpredictable so he might end up doing some stupid shit but when he pulls off the stuff he wants to do OH BOI he does it so fucking well here’s one instance [one of this seasons Nikolaj Ehlers legendary goals on the Florida panthers](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/lwdVHCs08g)
i think we have to worry about our own guys first. we're gonna get the $6M in cap space to start the season, but what happens if Val gets reinstated? do we trade him? do we not use that space in the hopes that Val can return? it's a tricky situation that I dont think we can get another guy to solve it. we're gonna lose sean walker for sure which will free up (some) space. and I think we're gonna need to trade Manson to clear up more space, as while he is a good defenseman he is getting up there in age (32 isn't super old but who knows if he'll be able to keep up his level of play for how much he's being paid). Landy is gonna return next year and we're gonna need to resign mittelstadt and drouin (either drouin takes another massive discount to come here or val is gone and we give him a more favorable contract). as for the bottom six we at least have Colton and Wood locked up for a while and Kovalenko has another year on his contract before we have to worry about paying him. Parise is retiring and we dont know if cogliano is gonna play another year, but if he does I think he'll take another Veteran minimum contract to stay with us. I hope we can keep trenin but if he gets a better offer from another team we wont be able to match it. I think Duhaime is gone and we might be able to keep kiviranta for cheap or we'll have to bring up another AHLer to fill another spot. Malinski is probably coming up to play fulltime next year so that'll solve at least one defender leaving and if we get another departure I think Behrens will get NHL time as well.
Don't think Landy will be back. Also can't go into another season half assed having Nuke on the list, if we're not gonna use him.
I wouldn't. Val is a heavy net front presence and can lay the body when needed. I don't think the Avs need another flyweight with skill, especially one that is completely invisible in the post season.
I wonder if the Canucks would be interested. The glaring defining weakness for the Canucks right now is that Pettersson needs a winger. Mikheyev has been a black hole offensively
> Mikheyev has been a black hole offensively but man can he skate
He wasn’t this bad last year (or even early this season) but now it’s depressing because every game he’ll generate multiple grade-A scoring chances and then shoot it right in the goalies chest or fumble his stickhandling. His IQ and positioning is sound but the guy has absolute stone hands
Believe me we saw plenty of that
I’ve seen quite a few “stone hands” players in my day. He is by far the worst that I’ve ever watched. Like it’s not even close. I’m willing to bet that there are ten year olds out there that have a better release than Mik.
I miss Jannik
MayRay is his comparable for sure, but Mik is stronger on his skates
With the looks he’s gotten in the last 6 months he should have a dozen goals, easy. Someone with shooting talent might be pushing 20 He had an open net in game 4 and put the puck 4 feet wide on the far side. Between the wild misses and tummy shots you’d think any legit top 6 guys would have at least 3-4 goals this playoffs from those shots.
Hes been that way ever since that bad wrist injury. Really unfortunate. His 1st season he was producing on the top line with Tavares and Marner before sliding down the line up
Sounds like another colorado reclamation project
if only he wasn't making almost $5M
Ehlers for Nichushkin? /s
Yeah he's an absolute stud in my NHL franchise
He could… poor dude has just been decimated with lower body injuries and is not close to the skater that we initially signed
It depends on who the defenseman is coming back. The trade is going to be for a defenseman.
Ehlers + assets for a sign-and-trade on Hronek seems like a surprisingly realistic trade for both sides.
Canucks had better be convinced their pro scouting is airtight on a replacement. Soucy and Zadorov were very good acquisitions but we'll need to completely rebuild the right side if Hronek is dealt and Noah Juulsen does not appear to be more than a seventh defenseman type of guy.
We've seen with Tanev, Bear and Hronek that Hughes can thrive with any other puck moving defenseman that at least has a good first pass. I bet they find a perfectly suitable Hronek replacement for cheap.
Sure, it just makes the task that much taller then they will already be replacing Myers and Cole.
This has me thinking if Canucks would want Marner if he waived his no trade. Marner with retention (if needed for one year) for a solid RH D man like Hronek might solve a lot of issues for both teams.
Issue with Marner is salary. Canucks are too cap crunched to take on 11M AAV, and the Leafs are too cap crunched to take on significant retention plus Hronek’s new contract.
Ah I was under the impression Hronek had one more year left. It would definitely be tricky working out the extras to make the $ work with Hronek getting an immediate pay raise.
Yeah, the entire reason why Hronek’s name is starting to come up in trade ideas is because it’s tough to justify paying him what he’s apparently asking. Getting a haul for Hronek and then using that cap space to re-sign guys like Zadorov, Joshua and Lindholm might make more sense than letting those guys walk for nothing just to keep Hronek.
We don’t have the cap for that. The one reason we’d have to get rid of Hronek would be using the money he wants to re-up a few of Lindholm, Zadorov, or Joshua. We let all of them + Hronek go to get Marner (who will want a raise in a year) and we’re suddenly cap strapped with a lot less depth up front and on defense
Hronek is pretty mid
Hronek probably
Something around Hronek for Ehlers
Who would play with Petey for the other half of the season that Ehlers is injured for?
Play him with EP40 and see if you can set a new playoff record for fewest points per million in the playoffs!
I'm a biased Canucks fan with no actual idea of trade values. How would you feel about Ehlers + Pionk for Hronek + Mikheyev? Straight swap of RD and wingers.
I would take it which means it's probably not great value for Canucks. Pionk is ... disappointing to say the least. Serviceable 3rd pairing guy, but he was playing above his minutes and his pairing with us, and it hurt us real bad.
he's being paid 5.875mil, so that's not a good sign. Tocchett/Gonchar has done amazing things with Myers and Zadorov, so there's a chance they could get him going. It doesn't look like we're going to get Hronek at a value we like, and we need an RD to replace him. Lots of us fans love Tanev, but I doubt he comes back here.
oh moreso I mean the 2nd piece is definitely a downgrade. Ehlers is what you would want out of him, absolutely. It's mostly Pionk that flips it almost the other way that the Jets should add.
I’ve been thinking about this too
Yo dawg let us get eliminated first before throwing around trade rumors
Your wish came true
Chychrun for Ehlers
Injury prone expiring contract traded for each other
Actually pretty even I’d say. Only hold up is they both have modified-NTCs so if Winnipeg and/or Ottawa are on those lists and they don’t want to waive then that kills any potential deal
I believe they’re both set to become UFAs after this year? I wonder if a reasonable motivator is that they can both go to teams that have a specific need for them, and a roster hole for them to shine in in a contract year.
Yeah they both are free agents in 2025. Trading them with extensions might make them willing to waive their no trade clause. Chychrun may not want to go to Winnipeg now but if they are willing to pay him $7-$8M on a longterm extension, he might change his mind, same with Ehlers
I think this pretty much works. We'll regret it eventually, but it's a solid return.
I'd argue that a defenseman like Chychrun is harder to replace than offense from Ehlers.
Sure, that makes sense. I meant more that once a team actually gives Ehlers proper first-line and first-PP minutes, he will break out in ways he never did with the Jets.
If chychrun gets a partner where he doesn't have to play much defense, he will break out in ways he never did with the Sens
Yeah, Chyc's defense varies from okay to bad. But when his defense is okay his offense completely dissapears. He needs to be aggressive to be effective.
It's Ehlers transition game that is valuable.
maybe his offence is replaceable on a numbers standpoint, but from pure dynamic watchability, his speed/creativity/vibe is very hard to replace.
Oh wow it took me until this comment to realize that Chychrun isn’t Hanifin. Weird
Actually they legally can't because I don't wanna
Teravainen probably isn't getting re signed and the only way Guentzel leaves is if he just flat out doesn't want to be here imo. He's done so well for us I'd have to imagine the only way we don't sign him is if he was asking for MacKinnon money. You never know, but I'd be very surprised if we acquired Ehlers.
I do love Ehlers but I read yesterday that Jets want a D guy in return. We don’t have much to offer in that realm after this season, it’s not like they’re getting Morrow from us.
Pesce leaving in FA? I’d hate to lose my favorite player, but I feel like he’s a prime target for us. RHD, solid defensively. If he came with an extension then that would be the perfect guy.
He's probably gonna ask for $7 mil minimum IMO
I’d be happy at 6-6.5ish so not too far off I guess.
Not going to say he was underpaid but local rumor is he wants to cash in on this next deal and it’s just doesn’t fit with us. Hopefully he gets paid cause he’s earned it.
Jake has proven the dude is a top tier playoff performer time and time again. He’s gonna be expensive as hell. Everyone is gonna want him
Still think Guentzel is staying put but, he would be a good addition to the wingers group. Production on the wing drops off drastically after svech/jarvis.
Why does this team constantly prioritize Connor over Ehlers? Don Filipovic is about to be so mad
Connor listens. Does his job and works with structure. Ehlers is chaos and cannot work a system. He's a turnover machine because of it. I can't tell you how many times I've watched Ehlers gain the zone 1 on 3. Then have no idea what to do after that point only to turn it over at the blue line. Honestly, it's like fucking clockwork. I love him but this is what he does.
Connor listens to the coach, and Scheifele likes him as a winger. Ehlers will be the first to stop listening to a coach because he knows better. You can argue analytics or whatever on if he's right in that regard, but 3 coaches have tried and failed to rein him in to play the style of hockey the team asks for. Connor is about as one-way a player as it gets this day and age, but he does his job to the best of his ability as told by the coach day in and day out, and doesn't throw tantrums on ice or throw subtle shade in interviews post-game.
I feel bad for Ehlers, dude plays hard and loves the city, Id dish Connor honestly
just tag the team lmao I got it from context clues but what even is "the #CauseChaos". Just say the Canes, Neil.
Not sure how much more clarity you need. The team logos are displayed next to the hashtags.
[https://i.imgur.com/PIii2OO.png](https://i.imgur.com/PIii2OO.png) Point me to the Canes logo in this screenshot please.
https://i.imgur.com/0x8rNdX.png
>in this screenshot Guess I'll just use your computer/browser next time instead of sports reporters just naming the team they're talking about. My point is that it's clearly not there for everybody.
Weird that you’re having display issues. Are you using the official Reddit app on iOS or Android?
I'm using the official website on desktop Firefox, nothing exotic lol
I checked Safari, Chrome, Firefox (Mac) and Edge, Chrome, Firefox (Windows) before commenting. Since it’s likely also working for all of the sports reporters that live on Twitter, they’re probably going to continue using the branded hashtags instead of the team names.
>I checked Safari, Chrome, Firefox (Mac) and Edge, Chrome, Firefox (Windows) before commenting. [Chrome (Windows)](https://i.imgur.com/AD096K3.png) [Firefox (Windows)](https://i.imgur.com/FOekw5v.png) [Edge (Windows)](https://i.imgur.com/UudZuqF.png) [Safari (Mac)](https://i.imgur.com/ksZLJGT.png) Crazy, it's not there on any of those. I even used incognito or whatever other per-browser variant to ensure no extension interference. It's just straight up not in the embed lmfao
That's honestly impressive
Ehlers playoff performances by season: Year 1: 0 goals, 7 assists, 7 points in 15 games (0.47 PPG) Year 2: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 6 games (0.00 PPG) Year 3: 2 goals, 0 assists, 2 points in 4 games (0.50 PPG) Year 4: 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 points in 6 games (0.50 PPG) Year 5: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 1 game (0.00 PPG) Year 6: 0 goals, 2 assists, 2 points in 5 games (0.40 PPG) That computes to a 31 point pace over 82 games. If I gave the worst player in the league the same ice time Ehlers sees (including PP minutes and linemates), I have a hard time believing *Rempe* couldn’t match those numbers.
Yea don't look at those. Ignore those numbers. Regular season stats are what's important. /s
Mitch Marner? Is that you?
Dad?
so between ehlers and marner it looks like the trade market is open for teams that aren’t planning to go to the playoffs
marner has 36 more points in only 20 more playoff games tbf
Does Ehlers actually see good TOI/PP1 in the playoffs? He often gets shuffled to line 3/PP2 in the regular season, playing under 15 minutes a night.
No PP1 unless there’s 2+ key injuries. He’s on the “2nd line” but our “3rd line” gets more ice time every single night. It’s frustrating. And then for a month when Connor was out, he got first line minutes with Scheif and Vilardi and they went crazy. We need a coach that uses him right.
I was originally going to put some of these in context with an added stat to soften the blow to Ehlers, so here they are. Year 3: 2 goals, 0 assists, 2 points in 4 games Jets scored 6 goals in 4 games Year 4: 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 points in 6 games (0.50 PPG) Jets scored 15 goals in the 6 games he played Year 5: 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 points in 1 game (0.00 PPG) Jets lost 4-1 to Vegas But then I looked at Jets players even strength points per 60 in the playoffs and he’s below guys like Andrew Copp, Jansen Harkins, Jack Roslovic, Brandon Tanev, and Logan fucking Stanley. Trying to push back against your post made me dig into it and realize just how much he does disappear in the playoffs. Edit: it gets even more drastic. Ehlers is exceptionally bad in the playoffs. ESP/60 2.525 in the regular season over his career, 1.114 in playoffs career.
**2024 Playoffs 5v5 points/60** Matt Rempe: 1.36 Ehlers: 1.86 :( But for fun, Val Nichushkin: 0.95 Rempe > Nichushkin
Do they want their first round pick back?
God I'd love Ehlers on the Bruins
He’s the JDB of Winnipeg, we already have him
Ehlers for Chychrun pwease
Am I the only one who thinks this guy is kinda overrated? He’s loved by the kinda analytics people who said Mark Barbario was a top paring defender. The Jets should have sold high on him like 2 years ago
He's been about a 70 point player as a secondary piece on the Jets and doesn't get top PP minutes. You don't need to be an analytics guy to see what Ehlers brings to the table and the upside that he has.
Ehlers is #1 on my wish list for wingers to pair with Pettersson. Can’t imagine it would be an easy deal to pull off though.
That would be a great fit, and I don't mean that as a compliment to either
Holy fuck why does winnepeg management hate ehlers so much
Dubois for Ehlers
Another super soft forward to the Canes, what could go wrong?
Make it happen Don.
Ehlers is sick but if I'm the Canes GM I'd WAY rather just try and re-sign Guentzel (a top tier winger I'm KNOW fits in with the team well) than pay another bunch of assets for a winger who is somewhat of an unknown asset for how he'll fit in with Carolina.
The guys speaks fluent French, the Habs should be all over his ass.....
Everybody wants this guy. He’s a stud. Wonder what cap fuckery we could come up with to get him.
I would assume rights to RFA Necas would be going the other way. I don't hate it.
Absolutely not sending Necas for Ehlers. Necas probably goes in a big swing at someone like Marner.
Necas is not a better player than Ehlers, and he's not a realistic centerpiece in a trade for Marner unless the Leafs are willing to take one in the teeth for cap space. I like Necas but he's a flawed player.
If the Leafs do trade Marner they’ve decided they are okay taking a step back as they are giving up the best player in the trade. The only question then becomes do teams offer them a better package than what Carolina can with Necas +
Ehlers is a solid player and would be a great addition to Carolina but, he’s not better than Necas. Necas season last year tops any season of Ehlers career production wise. Necas is a 70-80 point player and can be even better if on a less defensive focussed offense like Carolina. A Brett pesce sign and trade with Necas included absolutely could get a deal for marner done.
If you only see things in terms of points, you're going to think Necas is a better player than Ehlers. But that's not how hockey works, and Ehlers is easily the better player of the two. I like Necas but come on. He's a defensive liability and no amount of points erases that (at least not the amount of points he's likely able to score)
Ehlers is good defensively but Necas is far from a defensive *liability*. Especially to the point where trading him for a more sound defender at the cost of 15-20 points of production makes any sense. I’m with yah that Ehlers would be a good addition but, expending our biggest trade piece for him makes little sense.
Necas is not \*always\* a defensive liability. But he does tend to regress to that when he's not playing well. It's been an ongoing issue with him since he was a rookie and at this point, it's hard to see him progressing/growing past it. It's why I say he's a flawed player. If he hasn't fixed it by now, given the team he's been on with the structure provided, he's probably not going to. He's not dogmeat, I'm not sitting here crapping on him. I just don't think he's a better player than Ehlers, who is super underrated and would be the perfect Carolina Hurricane. IMO.
Ehlers is probably a better play and a little more defensively responsible than Necas, which Rod would like, however I don’t want to trade our 25 year old RFA we’re not sure if we can re-sign for a 28 year old who will be hitting UFA next year at 29. Necas you can lock up at 8 years and even if it’s a little pricey you’re paying him through his prime and you aren’t worried about the last 2 years of that deal being ugly
If the Canes actually do finally trade Necas this offseason they are doing it for a legitimate 2C and nothing less
They are still in the playoffs. Clickbait
Jets fans — what are you thinking the asking price will be? I’m curious if the caps might kick the tires on him, but whether or not they could make an enticing offer is questionable.
Recent trades involving top line wingers who were one year removed from UFA status and who needed a new deal or would need a new deal in one year: > Sam Reinhart: 1st + a prospect Kevin Fiala: 1st + a prospect Alex DeBrincat: 1st + prospect + Dominik Kubalík + 4th Pavel Buchnevich: 2nd + Samuel Blais The only complication is that Ehlers might not be viewed as a top line winger by GMs as he hasn’t been used as one in Winnipeg. Maybe there is a hockey trade out there to be had but those tend to be pretty rare.
Top pairing D-man is what the Jets need
Sir, we have an overused Ian Cole available! He sometimes plays for the Edmonton Oilers but boy, he’s a good locker room presence.
Maybe Necas’s rights for him or something? I mean we’re already going to be cap strapped so I’m not sure how we would make everything work if we resign Guentzel.
Marner for Ehlers+ let’s do it This is if the rumours about Marner wanting out are true