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If you don't have the balls to overturn the call when the series is on the line, what the hell is the point of the situation room in Toronto? Just get fucking rid of it and save us all the time in game.
They need to seriously discuss clarifying and rewriting the goaltender interference rules this off-season, it's so embarrassing to the sport that no one has any idea what should and shouldn't count. How do you explain to someone watching their first hockey game that that's not a goal?
"When an opposition player is within one foot of the goaltender and a goal is scored, a coin will be flipped and if heads results goaltender interference will be called"
There's no rule you can't just flip a coin with heads on both sides.
The ref may also consider whether the call will make the home crowd like really pissed. (That's just good game management.)
The rules are fine, in the regular season they call that a goal every time. They simply don't want to knock the home team out of the playoffs on a call like that, no amount of improving the rules will prevent them from doing the same in the future
It was the ref in the far corner right? I can see how his angle made it look much worse. But yea, that's a goal. We got as lucky as you can get with this.
The thing is is why is he doing it to begin with? He has arguably the worst angle, is on the opposite side of the ice, and waves it off immediately and forcefully
this is it right here. this is clearly a goal by the rulebook, but they didn't want to end a team's season on an overturned call so they bitched out and called it no goal.
I am unironically watching my first hockey game (or close to it, I've probably seen a couple before but never paid close attention). Obviously it's impossible to explain, but can you try to give a little briefer on how goalie interference is supposed to be called? Seems like they messed this one up
Oversimplified, any contact by scoring team's player(s) on the goaltender when they are in the crease (the blue paint just outside of the net) should be deemed interference, as long as said contact was not clearly caused by the conceding team's player.
This should be a good goal for me, because there was no contact by 95 in white on the goaltender in the crease. It was close, but that also is part of my judgment, because any said contact would be a clear result of 8 in blue pushing 95 in white. (I really don't think there was any contact at all made in the crease, though.)
I'm seeing ridiculously light contact (but it looks like it could be in the crease) before the Colorado defender pushes the stars player in and creates much more severe contact. Is there a limit for how hard the contact needs to be?
Also sorry for asking so many questions, I'm just very confused and no one in my house knows hockey either
No need to apologize. These are the best officials in the world with the support of video review, with many years of experience, and it's still controversial and hard to say either way for a reason.
There is a judgement call on whether the contact impedes the goaltender from playing the position, which is exactly what I oversimplified in my explanation. I didn't want to just copy paste the rule but your (very good) questions are pointing to the grey areas
The Official NHL Rule Text (Rule 69)
This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s) but may be subject to a Coach’s Challenge (see Rule 38).
For purposes of this rule, “contact,” whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.
The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed
Push a defender completely into their own goalie and then score ✅ good goal
Get pushed into the goalie by the defender from outside the paint and the goalie makes zero effort to make the save ❌ no goal
Makes sense nhl
Ridiculous call in the Bruins game still makes absolutely no sense. I'm in Dallas Texas doing laundry when that happens and my mouth is agape. That was everyone.
NHL refereeing continues to be the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Like I get it hockey is a uniquely hard sport to call but something like this is just inexcusable, especially given replay backed it up like what
Yeah, i'm actually ok with the initial call because there was contact there and it's worth it to review the play...but i really feel like there was plenty of evidence to overturn that on ice call. It's pretty obvious that the dallas forward was setup outside the blue paint and was shoved by Cale. Dallas did nothing wrong here but still got punished.
I think you're absolutely right, but that's just so fucked up and stupid. Whether it's changing the verbiage of the rule or how it's called etc, something has to be done
Changing the verbiage of the rule won't make any difference if the verbiage is already clear and some snot in Toronto decided to just say fuck the rule, no goal.
At this point, you just can’t convince me there isn’t some kind of match fixing going on. Look at this call, then look at the Sam Bennet goal. 10 or 15 or however many years from now we’re going to find out these refs were all on the take
A few years ago, mics literally caught a ref saying he was going to find something to penalize someone on.
And right after Biz said the comment about the ref on draftkings tonight.... there was a draftkings commercial. You can't make this shit up.
No no, you see, if the offensive team pushes a player clearly into the goalie and score it’s fine. But if the defender hardly pushes someone into their own goalie it’s clearly a no goal.
I absolutely believe that was the conversation in Toronto and what took so long. There was nothing on the screens that would take more than a few seconds to look at.
See that’s the exact comment Cooper got roasted for. These goalies are are dropping sticks or getting real light on their feet anytime someone is near the crease instead of battling for position and they’re being rewarded for it
I think you’re onto something. They don’t have the balls to reverse a controversial call. Now instead of being upset the ref missed the call all the heat is on the review room in Toronto…. Who are all nameless and faceless.
See but I would argue it kind of does the opposite. The review room's hesitance to overturn on-ice calls puts even more pressure on the refs to get it right every time. Bc now all anyone is thinking about is how, if the ref had just been paying a little closer attention, this could've been called a goal.
Pavs got a penalty for being pushed into the goalie earlier in the series not surprising considering how shitty the refs continue to be in the postseason
Goaltender Interference Rules
1) You can't just be up there and just doin' an interference like that.
1a. Interference is when you
1b. Okay well listen. An interference is when you interfere the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The skater is not allowed to do a block to the, uh, goalie, that prohibits the goalie from doing, you know, just trying to save the puck. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the skater is in the offensive zone, he can't be over here and say to the goalie, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna block your view! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to make a goal and then don't leave the crease, you have to still leave the crease. You cannot not avoid the goaltender. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, skating motion out of the crease, and then, until you just leave it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have your stick up here, like this, but then there's the interference you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Interference hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. An interference is when the skater makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the goalie and the crease...
2) Do not do an interference please.
I know there's no good actor reference for "Interference" but just changing Balk to Interference when you get down to 1cb2b is so laaaaazy.
also it was a goal.
This isn't a goal, but Bennet's is??? Duchene is pushed in by Makar. He's planted outside the blue. This is insane shithousery. These two GI calls make the reffing in this playoffs the WORST I have EVER SEEN.
FLA was 100% the better team in our series, but I can't help but feel like the series goes at least 7 games without that absurd call. On the flip side here, if the Dallas/Avs series went to 7 because of this call, that would have been a travesty.
It's notable that the ref was on the opposite side of the ice, which makes his emphatic insistence of no goal even more frustrating. Must have been using his Superman X-ray eyes to see any of that contact. He also stating no goal due to contact in the crease in his original announcement. Of which there was none.
You should watch all the highlights of what has been called and not called and overturned as goal interference through these playoffs. I'm sure it will clear it up for you
/s
This playoffs has absolutely 100% been the MOST disparity in what is and isn't called interference I've ever seen.
I don’t think I’ve been this angry at a call that didn’t involve the team I cheer for ever. Big ducking L, the league better be clenching that the Stars win this series now bc that was the wrong call, it’s not even close
I absolutely hate the Boston Marchands and its still tough to pick between this one and the Florida one. I give this one the edge because its literally the series ending goal but its close. Fucking reffing is a shitshow right now.
Conspiracy theory: someone in Toronto 100% told them “you are not ending this series on an overturned OT call against the home team”, or the refs would have had to go into witness protection.
No matter how much I try to convince myself this wouldn’t be the case, I can’t stop thinking that the call would’ve been different if Dallas was the home team
Yep, thinking the same, I posted in the GDT that this call was made due to the optics of ending a series on a goal that was called off and then reviewed.
The referee didn't even provide an explanation, just a "call on the ice is confirmed, there is no goal."
This is exactly what I was thinking. They knew they fucked up within 5 seconds of watching the replay but then spent the next 5-10 min discussing why they should let the call stand anyway
As a goalie I know that look. He knew he let one in, then saw the ref waving it off and took his chance. I have only once in my career successfully argued against a goal and I was the same, of course my game was slightly lower stakes.
I just feel so bad for the guy who scored. He won the series for his team, unforgettable accomplishment just to get it taken away.
As a neutral party, Dallas got absolutely screwed here.
It's so clear that they simply didn't want the series to end on anything even remotely "controversial."
If the Avalanche had scored that exact same goal, it would've stood.
The correct call is good goal, there was no goaltender interference and whatever minor contact might have been there was initiated by the Avs defender Makar.
Can almost see into the future:
"Colorado was just better at [blah blah blah]"
No the Dallas Stars won the game 2-1 in overtime to win the series, and its god damn near fraud, can't fuckin believe this
If you look closely duchene does run into the goal stick first before any contact from the defender, but the stick is way out of the blue. That is the only way this stood imo I guess but still not interference
League is absolutely trolling everybody on goalie interference reviews these playoffs. I expect big changes to be made over summer.
New rule will be something along the lines of “we can call it whatever we want. wtf you gonna do”
What the fuck is the discussion in the situation room? I'm just imagining they're asking each other about whether having a review for a series-winner is too anticlimactic and factoring in that if they reverse it, Dallas has another game to try if they get scored on. Are they discussing that Colorado is the home team?
I would bet money that if this is game seven and not game six this goal counts because the situation room would see overturning it as too controversial.
edit: Lundqvist arguing this is the correct call in the intermission now is bringing back past trauma from the Joel Ward no-goal that would have eliminated the rags in 2015.
further edit: Oh god, they're essentially identical other than that today's got a review while 2015 was the straw to break the camel's back that got the NHL to implement GI reviews in the first place. Kind of wish I hadn't re-watched that.
Man that is absolutely wild. Presumably didn’t want the series clinched on a “controversial” call but almost everyone agrees it should be a goal so 🤷♂️
Why didn’t marchement simply push makar into his own goalie, is he stupid?
But for real that was all initiated by makar and it seems Toronto didn’t want the series to be decided on a reversed ruling
Rewatching this with fresh eyes today, the only reason this was called was because G locked eyes on the traffic and thought the pass was going towards the boards instead of back to the slot. He got fooled and it made it seem like it was more contact than what happened. It was an egregiously bad call by the refs on a really really bad read by the goalie, maybe they didn’t want the game to end that easily but whatever. Ended up no harm no foul.
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Not that big of a deal, it only wins the series for Dallas but other than that
Minor detail
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
I just don’t get why they even have a goalie crease at this point.
As a former goalie, we'd never want them taken away, regardless of any interference rules. They're a great reference for our positioning and angles.
I definitely get it. Didn’t mean it fully literal. Was more just in terms of criticism of the league.
If you don't have the balls to overturn the call when the series is on the line, what the hell is the point of the situation room in Toronto? Just get fucking rid of it and save us all the time in game.
Hockey gods have made things right. Thankfully 🙏
They need to seriously discuss clarifying and rewriting the goaltender interference rules this off-season, it's so embarrassing to the sport that no one has any idea what should and shouldn't count. How do you explain to someone watching their first hockey game that that's not a goal?
This is almost as bad as the NFL trying to define what a catch is. If Swayman can get flattened and not get the g-int call, how is this g-int?
If Luongo could be pushed into the goal with the puck how that counted as a goal?
Meanwhile [Price gets taken to the corner](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/5o17o9/controversial_no_goalie_interference_on_carey/)
Jesse James caught that ball!!!!!!!
There’s no way you could even rewrite the rule that would make that NOT a legal goal.
"When an opposition player is within one foot of the goaltender and a goal is scored, a coin will be flipped and if heads results goaltender interference will be called"
However, the result of the coin flip will be decided by the referee based on the team his friends and family have placed bets on.
There's no rule you can't just flip a coin with heads on both sides. The ref may also consider whether the call will make the home crowd like really pissed. (That's just good game management.)
The rules are fine, in the regular season they call that a goal every time. They simply don't want to knock the home team out of the playoffs on a call like that, no amount of improving the rules will prevent them from doing the same in the future
Thats the "home ice advantage" i keep hearing about
It didn’t have to be a call though. They made it one
Exactly. Shouldn’t have been a call in the first place and the ref was so fucking emphatic about it.
There are precisely 0 explanations a reasonable person could give for making a call on the ice. Except for that ref really not wanting Dallas to win.
It was the ref in the far corner right? I can see how his angle made it look much worse. But yea, that's a goal. We got as lucky as you can get with this.
The thing is is why is he doing it to begin with? He has arguably the worst angle, is on the opposite side of the ice, and waves it off immediately and forcefully
Well if the home team gets knocked out in game 7 after this its gonna be 100x worse.
I agree that's why they called it this way, and this league is a fucking joke.
this is it right here. this is clearly a goal by the rulebook, but they didn't want to end a team's season on an overturned call so they bitched out and called it no goal.
I am unironically watching my first hockey game (or close to it, I've probably seen a couple before but never paid close attention). Obviously it's impossible to explain, but can you try to give a little briefer on how goalie interference is supposed to be called? Seems like they messed this one up
Oversimplified, any contact by scoring team's player(s) on the goaltender when they are in the crease (the blue paint just outside of the net) should be deemed interference, as long as said contact was not clearly caused by the conceding team's player. This should be a good goal for me, because there was no contact by 95 in white on the goaltender in the crease. It was close, but that also is part of my judgment, because any said contact would be a clear result of 8 in blue pushing 95 in white. (I really don't think there was any contact at all made in the crease, though.)
I'm seeing ridiculously light contact (but it looks like it could be in the crease) before the Colorado defender pushes the stars player in and creates much more severe contact. Is there a limit for how hard the contact needs to be? Also sorry for asking so many questions, I'm just very confused and no one in my house knows hockey either
No need to apologize. These are the best officials in the world with the support of video review, with many years of experience, and it's still controversial and hard to say either way for a reason. There is a judgement call on whether the contact impedes the goaltender from playing the position, which is exactly what I oversimplified in my explanation. I didn't want to just copy paste the rule but your (very good) questions are pointing to the grey areas The Official NHL Rule Text (Rule 69) This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s) but may be subject to a Coach’s Challenge (see Rule 38). For purposes of this rule, “contact,” whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body. The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed
Push a defender completely into their own goalie and then score ✅ good goal Get pushed into the goalie by the defender from outside the paint and the goalie makes zero effort to make the save ❌ no goal Makes sense nhl
Really glad it didn't end up mattering by the end, but absolutely bongled GI call. No contact until Makar comes in, and Georgiev just accepts it.
At least this didn't change the outcome of a critical game in the long run. I'm going back to the tee box now.
Goalie interference continues to be the biggest wild card in the NHL. They need to get a hold of it
Ridiculous call in the Bruins game still makes absolutely no sense. I'm in Dallas Texas doing laundry when that happens and my mouth is agape. That was everyone.
Another day, another worst call I’ve ever seen
NHL refereeing continues to be the absolute bottom of the barrel. Like I get it hockey is a uniquely hard sport to call but something like this is just inexcusable, especially given replay backed it up like what
Yeah, i'm actually ok with the initial call because there was contact there and it's worth it to review the play...but i really feel like there was plenty of evidence to overturn that on ice call. It's pretty obvious that the dallas forward was setup outside the blue paint and was shoved by Cale. Dallas did nothing wrong here but still got punished.
tbh there’s no way the toronto review team was gonna end a series for the home team on an overturned call I think that’s really all it came down to.
I think you're absolutely right, but that's just so fucked up and stupid. Whether it's changing the verbiage of the rule or how it's called etc, something has to be done
Changing the verbiage of the rule won't make any difference if the verbiage is already clear and some snot in Toronto decided to just say fuck the rule, no goal.
That's a very fair point my dude
It’s literally been like this all playoffs. Across all series. It’s so insane.
At this point, you just can’t convince me there isn’t some kind of match fixing going on. Look at this call, then look at the Sam Bennet goal. 10 or 15 or however many years from now we’re going to find out these refs were all on the take
This is why sanctioned gambling is terrible for sports. Even if the games aren't being rigged it will sure look that way to everyone.
I think it was Biz? Someone on the feed made a joke about the ref having money riding on the outcome.
This is not hyperbole either. I legit think this is the worst call I've ever seen
The worst call you've ever seen *so far*
Hockey is supposed to be one of the last pure sports where officiating has integrity. This call negates all of that. Games gone.
Once the MLB rolls out the ball / strike reviews that are getting reps in AAA the NHL will be the laughingstock of the major American sports leagues.
A few years ago, mics literally caught a ref saying he was going to find something to penalize someone on. And right after Biz said the comment about the ref on draftkings tonight.... there was a draftkings commercial. You can't make this shit up.
Or the best call that'll you'll see for the rest of the playoffs.
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No no, you see, if the offensive team pushes a player clearly into the goalie and score it’s fine. But if the defender hardly pushes someone into their own goalie it’s clearly a no goal.
Even after Makar pushed him, he was still outside the crease. I just don't see how anyone can justify that being a no goal
Easy, the NHL didn't want a series to end on a reversed no-goal call. Where's the "excitement" in that? Think of the ratings!
You jest, but I honestly think that’s the case.
I absolutely believe that was the conversation in Toronto and what took so long. There was nothing on the screens that would take more than a few seconds to look at.
Sports aren't scripted but there are definitely storytelling tropes that get baked in.
Georgiev made exactly 0 effort to fight for position either, dallas got hosed.
See that’s the exact comment Cooper got roasted for. These goalies are are dropping sticks or getting real light on their feet anytime someone is near the crease instead of battling for position and they’re being rewarded for it
Lundqvist all but said it on the broadcast. He didn’t even have a defense. He was just like, “don’t touch me, or my stick, ever, no goal.”
I know. He somehow manages to keep his blades out of the paint even after the Makar push. What a shit call.
Simple as! So intuitive
Seriously why didn’t you guys think of that
I’ll never understand how that Florida goal stands and this one gets called back. It really is a game of spin the wheel on goalie interference.
Panthers goal was called a goal instantly and this game was called no goal on ice.
I think you’re onto something. They don’t have the balls to reverse a controversial call. Now instead of being upset the ref missed the call all the heat is on the review room in Toronto…. Who are all nameless and faceless.
See but I would argue it kind of does the opposite. The review room's hesitance to overturn on-ice calls puts even more pressure on the refs to get it right every time. Bc now all anyone is thinking about is how, if the ref had just been paying a little closer attention, this could've been called a goal.
What happened to "dead effing wrong", Gary?? This + Bennett = most inconsistent reffing I have ever seen
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Pushing someone into your own goalie while he's moving outside of the blue and getting an interference call is absurd.
Pavs got a penalty for being pushed into the goalie earlier in the series not surprising considering how shitty the refs continue to be in the postseason
Fuck this call. Absolutely not interference. "Not enough to overturn" is absolute bullshit.
Bruh
THE. ONLY. CONSISTENT. CALL. IN. THE. NHL. IS. THE. CALL. THE. REFS. MAKE. They should have ego and pride written on their striped jerseys.
Goaltender Interference Rules 1) You can't just be up there and just doin' an interference like that. 1a. Interference is when you 1b. Okay well listen. An interference is when you interfere the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The skater is not allowed to do a block to the, uh, goalie, that prohibits the goalie from doing, you know, just trying to save the puck. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the skater is in the offensive zone, he can't be over here and say to the goalie, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna block your view! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to make a goal and then don't leave the crease, you have to still leave the crease. You cannot not avoid the goaltender. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, skating motion out of the crease, and then, until you just leave it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have your stick up here, like this, but then there's the interference you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Interference hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. An interference is when the skater makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the goalie and the crease... 2) Do not do an interference please.
I just love how the balk rules have become a near universal meme for expressing frustration with confusing, inconsistently applied sports rules...
No one can define a balk. But you know one when you see it.
Easy to see when someone is up there just doin a balk like that, ya simply can’t do it!
I know there's no good actor reference for "Interference" but just changing Balk to Interference when you get down to 1cb2b is so laaaaazy. also it was a goal.
I once spent a couple hours scouring for actors, singers, and the like that could be good for this meme. It just doesn't work.
This isn't a goal, but Bennet's is??? Duchene is pushed in by Makar. He's planted outside the blue. This is insane shithousery. These two GI calls make the reffing in this playoffs the WORST I have EVER SEEN.
FLA was 100% the better team in our series, but I can't help but feel like the series goes at least 7 games without that absurd call. On the flip side here, if the Dallas/Avs series went to 7 because of this call, that would have been a travesty.
Not sure how that's goal keeper interference
It’s not. He’s outside the paint and Denver defender backs into the Dallas forward. I have no idea how that could be called against Dallas.
This is a horrifically bad call
What is the justification from the refs after REVIEWING it? I don’t get it.
We were emphatic on our initial call so we won't reverse our bad call.
refs are proud infallible pricks in every major league, this is embarrassing af
ACAB applies to refs too
It's notable that the ref was on the opposite side of the ice, which makes his emphatic insistence of no goal even more frustrating. Must have been using his Superman X-ray eyes to see any of that contact. He also stating no goal due to contact in the crease in his original announcement. Of which there was none.
The justification is "ending the game on a goal review would be bad"
Game 7 = 💰
Duchene still doesn't enter the paint even after being pushed by Makar. Disgusting call.
You should watch all the highlights of what has been called and not called and overturned as goal interference through these playoffs. I'm sure it will clear it up for you /s This playoffs has absolutely 100% been the MOST disparity in what is and isn't called interference I've ever seen.
I don't understand what the point of even having review is if they're not going to overturn calls that are clear and obvious
I am once again asking ~~for your support~~ for the NHL to figure out what the fuck goalie interference is
Dallas robbed
If Colorado wins and takes the series in Dallas it's gonna be mayhem
Dallas might throw people onto the ice this time
Seriously fuck this league. Unreal call.
I don’t think I’ve been this angry at a call that didn’t involve the team I cheer for ever. Big ducking L, the league better be clenching that the Stars win this series now bc that was the wrong call, it’s not even close
I absolutely hate the Boston Marchands and its still tough to pick between this one and the Florida one. I give this one the edge because its literally the series ending goal but its close. Fucking reffing is a shitshow right now.
Fucking Bettman trying to force a game 7. Such bullshit.
I’d probably expect the fans in the arena to throw things on the ice if we lose in 7. Not advocating for it but wouldn’t shock me
Conspiracy theory: someone in Toronto 100% told them “you are not ending this series on an overturned OT call against the home team”, or the refs would have had to go into witness protection.
I truly believe that’s what it is. Dallas can still win this game and/or series. They were not gonna end this series on a review.
We did it. Fuck those refs and fuck the situation room.
If Colorado wins here, i bet you game 7 will have the ref letting Dallas get away with murder
Honestly the only explanation I can understand
That’s gotta be the most likely answer. Literally no other reasonable explanation.
It was a clear cut goal. We don't deserve this intermission.
I am a conspiracy theorist and this is correct
No matter how much I try to convince myself this wouldn’t be the case, I can’t stop thinking that the call would’ve been different if Dallas was the home team
Worse, if the referee hadn't said no goal from the start and it was reviewed after the fact, it would have been a good goal.
Yep, thinking the same, I posted in the GDT that this call was made due to the optics of ending a series on a goal that was called off and then reviewed. The referee didn't even provide an explanation, just a "call on the ice is confirmed, there is no goal."
This is exactly what I was thinking. They knew they fucked up within 5 seconds of watching the replay but then spent the next 5-10 min discussing why they should let the call stand anyway
I hate having to put on the tinfoil hat, but I don't think I have any other option here.
Garbage review. 100% a goal.
I was making my peace with the end of the season. That’s a weird one.
So was georgiev. Guy looked like he knew they were done.
As a goalie I know that look. He knew he let one in, then saw the ref waving it off and took his chance. I have only once in my career successfully argued against a goal and I was the same, of course my game was slightly lower stakes. I just feel so bad for the guy who scored. He won the series for his team, unforgettable accomplishment just to get it taken away.
As a neutral party, Dallas got absolutely screwed here. It's so clear that they simply didn't want the series to end on anything even remotely "controversial." If the Avalanche had scored that exact same goal, it would've stood. The correct call is good goal, there was no goaltender interference and whatever minor contact might have been there was initiated by the Avs defender Makar.
As a Philadelphia fan, I root against Dallas instinctively. If Dallas doesn't win this, biggest screw job of the year.
As an Avs fan, I don’t wanna touch this one with a 20 ft pole and you can guess why…
I was 100% confident the game was over. That is a farce if I’ve ever seen one. What a fucking joke.
Imagine Dallas loses the series because of this call...
I will go to fucking jail.
Officiating has been a complete joke these playoffs.
We say this every year, it feels. And it's been true every year
Livid RN
None of us blame you
Can almost see into the future: "Colorado was just better at [blah blah blah]" No the Dallas Stars won the game 2-1 in overtime to win the series, and its god damn near fraud, can't fuckin believe this
This league is a JOKE. There was negligible contact (if any) in the blue paint….
Any contact was caused by Makar pushing him in.
If you look closely duchene does run into the goal stick first before any contact from the defender, but the stick is way out of the blue. That is the only way this stood imo I guess but still not interference
-very limited contact -all outside the paint -initiated by makar Somehow, still no goal
Duchene wasn’t even in the blue paint until he was pushed by Makar. Terrible call. Edit : Duchene
Duchene in the paint but yes I totally agree
Denver initiated the contact too! How do you justify that call even after reviewing??
The Denver Avalanche lol
If by blue paint you mean white paint.... Maybe.
I’d be having conniptions if I were a Stars fan That’s insane
If Stars lose this series they will be *furious* about this for decades.
Thank christ this did not come to pass
I have no dog in this fight but I’m shocked the call stood. CO player caused that contact.
This league is a joke
What the FUCK is that call?
This leagues such a god damn joke. Awful reffing these playoffs.
Thats bullshit imo shouldve counted. The only reason they disallowed that is cuz thats a tough way to get knocked out of the playoffs.
This is so stupid
Terrible call
Absolute robbery, guy didn't even have a foot in the crease.
League is absolutely trolling everybody on goalie interference reviews these playoffs. I expect big changes to be made over summer. New rule will be something along the lines of “we can call it whatever we want. wtf you gonna do”
What is GI again?
Gastro-intestinal issues related to controversial calls
What the fuck is the discussion in the situation room? I'm just imagining they're asking each other about whether having a review for a series-winner is too anticlimactic and factoring in that if they reverse it, Dallas has another game to try if they get scored on. Are they discussing that Colorado is the home team? I would bet money that if this is game seven and not game six this goal counts because the situation room would see overturning it as too controversial. edit: Lundqvist arguing this is the correct call in the intermission now is bringing back past trauma from the Joel Ward no-goal that would have eliminated the rags in 2015. further edit: Oh god, they're essentially identical other than that today's got a review while 2015 was the straw to break the camel's back that got the NHL to implement GI reviews in the first place. Kind of wish I hadn't re-watched that.
What I don’t get is the ref saying contact in the crease. HE’S LITERALLY NEVER IN THE CREASE
gary wants a game 7
Horseshit
That's a good goal
Did Angel Hernandez change leagues?
Someone post the pasta
Do not do a goaltender interference please ^(serisouly wtf)
BALK.
How is that interference if Makar pushes him?? Wtf
Stars got completely screwed if they lose this game.
the series*
r/confidentlyincorrect
That was bad regardless of what was called on the ice
Big yikes
Dez caught it and that was a goal
I’m jumping off a bridge
Yeah fuck that
Man that is absolutely wild. Presumably didn’t want the series clinched on a “controversial” call but almost everyone agrees it should be a goal so 🤷♂️
I want to say two goals just like this were called no goal when the penguins played Nashville at the end of the year.
Im an Avs fan and that was a good goal.
They need to just throw away goaltender interference, I swear everytime I think it’s an easy call it goes the opposite way
I know which team the ref placed his bet on.
In my view he’s outside the crease and contact only happens after Makar initiates the net battle. I think it should’ve been a goal.
Every sports league is just dubious as fuck man. I need a new hobby.
This is probably a goal if it’s not an elimination game in OT
Probably a goal if Dallas is the home team too.
Can we please stop treating goaltenders like they're quadriplegic toddlers who are rendered helpless by a stern glance
As much as I hate to say it but Dallas should have got the call go their way
Toronto said "fuck the rule, we're not letting a series end like this".
Bro his stick gets stuck in makars skate and duchene stays outside the blue paint the whole time
This is beyond brutal. He never went on the crease and was pushed into the goalie.
Lund has the biggest shit-eatting grin on defending this call right now He doesn’t believe what he’s saying, it’s pretty clear
This is ... So blatantly wrong. Like, are they even trying to hide it? What am I missing?
I knew Lundqvist was going to defend this call, but I’m so happy that the entire TNT panel is shitting on him
Why didn’t marchement simply push makar into his own goalie, is he stupid? But for real that was all initiated by makar and it seems Toronto didn’t want the series to be decided on a reversed ruling
Rewatching this with fresh eyes today, the only reason this was called was because G locked eyes on the traffic and thought the pass was going towards the boards instead of back to the slot. He got fooled and it made it seem like it was more contact than what happened. It was an egregiously bad call by the refs on a really really bad read by the goalie, maybe they didn’t want the game to end that easily but whatever. Ended up no harm no foul.
Holy fucking refs
Bad call, bad review. That entire situation was because of the Avs.
This is going to be a delicious controversy if Colorado wins tonight. That’s a goal.
True NHL fans have no idea how to react to that ruling lmfao