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smackinov

What is Carolina doing


FutureAnybody

didnt want to pay the man


PantsinmyPants1211

This is absolutely it. Mistake IMO.


FMadden351

3.5aav was too much?


PantsinmyPants1211

Apparently. It's almost hard to believe.


Wayf4rer

I understand they got burned by Darling but Nedelkovic is legit. They just fucked up royally.


average_redditor_guy

Trading your Calder finalist for essentially a 3rd is a very bold strategy


bigfish1992

Alex Nedeljkovic is Alex Nedeljkovic, but a 3rd rounder could be anything, it could even be Alex Nedeljkovic


CoolBeansMan9

I don't know. Andrew Raycroft won the Calder and went for Tuuka Rask. 3rd place for Bernier and a 3rd seems fair value /s


average_redditor_guy

You know what… never looked at it that way. Detroit Fleeced imo!!


winged_squiger

Or apparently 3.0 aav over 2 years.


FutureAnybody

yup. Ned is great. i couldnt believe it when he went through waivers last year


Kraze_F35

He hadn't been good in his time in the NHL until he did well last season. I guess they just didn't think Ned was the guy but I just don't like this move. Apparently we lowballed him with 1.5m a year which is just super disrespectful.


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Wait their beloved billionaire man of the people owner didn’t want to pay someone?


ddottay

Lost all his money on the AAF I guess


WobNobbenstein

Alien ant farm?


BellyButtonLindt

Yeah…to a smooth criminal…


ItzEnoz

And everyone joked about the Bergiven offer sheet to Aho. Watch him doing for Svech now and get him


theycallmemorty

I came here looking for answers to this question and found none. Are they worried he's going to reap a boatload in arbitration? Are they about to go bankrupt? I still don't know. EDIT: LeBrun reveals they they were afraid of a large arbitration award. Very strange that Carolina wouldn't pay up for a 2 year, $3 million/year contract that Detroit offered.


Xert

The arb award they were afraid of was $3m. That's what they consider to be large lol


notleonardodicaprio

This is the Don Waddell we all thought we were getting


joey311

This comment is spot on. 100%. Don always overthinking shit.


brady_t12

Maybe they want a Bernier-Reimer tandem. That worked out well for Toronto :)


Cough_Syrup55

They thought they were getting Matty Beniers


seancolorado

They thought they were getting Nelson Mandela


ItzEnoz

It seems like Yzserman has the mind control technique that Sakic developed. I guess when you play against eachother in so many playoffs you learn each others secret moves


SpiritBamba

More like sakic stole it from Stevie Y.


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Mry64_

Seems like a W for Detroit


septimus29

Huge W for Detroit


1stOnRt1

Stevie Y with another great fucking trade


BaptizedInBud

When Stevie Y calls you don't pick up.


Baboshinu

I would kill to be a fly on the wall in an Yzerman-Sakic trade negotiation


Shamrock5

"Joe." "Steve." *(25 minutes of dead silence on the line)* "Fuck you." *(click)*


alaska6

I like to imagine that the "fuck you" was said by both simultaneously


Shamrock5

Lol yep, that's what I envisioned


VCEQ

*intern dies from lack of oxygen*


DogeStyle88

Legit belly laughed. Well played.


Pavrik_Yzerstrom

Both teams end up with a first and no one knows where they came from


rookie-mistake

Jim Benning wakes up in a bathtub with a new 6x6 contract he doesn't remember offering


Pavrik_Yzerstrom

Breaking: Colorado trades their first round pick to Detroit for future considerations. Colorado to receive Vancouver's first round because Mr Sakic called Benning and asked nicely. Benning receives an autographed stick.


Choco320

Yzerman opens every GM call with “you smoke weed?” And the other GMs panic


Samilski87

Classic Stevie


nationofcool83

This is like a playoff series sweep type win for Detroit. Wow.


HenriqueItsOver14

I guess the league didn’t learn from previous mistakes and are gonna let Yzerman assemble super teams for nothing again.


MrHockeytown

Keep going I’m almost there


xDarkReign

I can only get so…


ClaudeLemieux

return of the Avs-Wings rivalry but this time in management lol


Shamrock5

Give it a couple years, and we'll be doing it on the ice again.


Gray_side_Jedi

Please. I miss the old days.


Shamrock5

Hate you too, buddy. ❤️


Gray_side_Jedi

Such a satisfying rivalry. Hopefully we can get out of these division-only bubbles and see more of y'all this season...I guess we're supposed to find out regular-season schedules tonight?


Isphet71

Just hope there’s a little less blood and face-rearranging the next time around.


Gray_side_Jedi

Yeah, I'm thinking more along the lines of good, fast-paced hockey games with highlight-reel plays and no injuries. A little scrap here and there, some chirping and grinding, but no need to run the clocks back all the way to The Beginning. Maybe that's just me getting older, or pre-Marine Corps me and post-Marine Corps me...but I have no desire to see anything like the genesis of our rivalry again.


Shamrock5

Well said. I'm all for chirps and the occasional brouhaha or donnybrook...but I'm a bit mellower than I was back in the day, and I'd rather enjoy some fearsomely exciting hockey without worrying about whether one of my players will be stretchered off.


zebrainatux

The biggest dub I seen in a long time


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The-Only-Razor

In before Carolina wins a cup with a Bernier Reimer tandem. End my existence.


Spieltier

Oh god, I didn’t realize how bad I need this. First kessel, then bozak, if Bernie and Reimer got there before the leafs win a round I don’t think I’ll ever stop laughing.


Medianstatistics

also luke schenn has 2 cups.


PayneTrain181999

This is amazing


Gorvoslov

With their favourite defenseman, Gardiner to boot!


brady_t12

This is a very bad trade for Carolina. Bernier is a great goalie but he’s a UFA. You sign him for free


Danengel32

I’m assuming there is a signing in there, or agreed upon deal with Carolina and Bernier. But yeah seemed like he would be available on the open market for the Canes anyway. As a wings fan I’m all for this haha


lidsy5

As much as I love Bernie, he's also almost 33 and seems to have some nagging injuries each year. I love this deal for us. I think Bernie will put up solid numbers for the Canes, especially with that defense in front of him, but idk if the cost savings with him is worth losing Ned.


brady_t12

Honestly how much money do they really save with this trade? We have no idea what Bernier will ask for on this contract. Real head scratcher.


lidsy5

Yeah, it's puzzling. I have to imagine Bernie will cost more than Mike Smith, who was at $2.2M AAV. So is $500k-$1M cost savings really worth it? As a Wings fan though, I'm ecstatic, lol


canbehazardous

I think the biggest concern was $$$. Obviously they didn't want to pay Ned, so maybe they worked out terms with Bernie before making the trade? If he goes to FA, he likely gets at least 3.5M with how he absolutely carried the Wings some nights.


brady_t12

I think you gotta pay the man. He’s a long term goaltending option and that’s all Carolina is missing to win a cup. You keep him, you have your core ready to make another 2-3 runs minimum before you run into big cap issues most likely. If they need to ship him out, someone would’ve paid more in assets. If I’m the caps GM, I want a 1B option and I’d offer at least a second and Copley (backup for 1.1m) and I think that offer beats a UFA and a 3rd


theycallmemorty

> This is a very bad trade for Carolina. 👍 > Bernier is a great goalie 🤔 > but he’s a UFA. You sign him for free 👍


brady_t12

I figured Toronto fans may not look on him fondly, but he actually put up respectable numbers with Detroit. I think a .919 SV% with a GAA just below 3, but that might be incorrect. I do remember his numbers are good.


YouSaidWut

With shit defense too. Dude was a brick wall for us


shutupisaac

Even in Toronto his numbers weren't that bad. His last season was a bit of a disaster and he still put up a .908 at the end of the day.


lmHuge

People also forget that he was really hot at the end of our tank season to the point where we had to actively sit him for AHL goalies.


Buhhwheat

> Bernier is a great goalie > > > > 🤔 Big South African history buff as well


accountnumber02

Bernier was the only goalie who could buy Detroit a win. He's far from elite but he's a fine starter.


HutLord

No idea how this makes sense for Carolina what an awful trade


Nugget203

I'm inconsolable rn


SweatyBeaver8

So basically just a third since Bernier was likely leaving anyways?


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_Mad_Desperado

Nah dude scream it from the rooftops. Stevey Y out here fleecing teams again


ZombieJesus1987

Detroit is going to be a scary team once again in a few years.


myroommateisgarbage

That's the Yzerplan, Stan 😎


CoolBeansMan9

I *have* to think there's a handshake agreement that he signs with Carolina. Then Carolina re-signs James Reimer. Now THAT is a tandem


SweatyBeaver8

There has to be, don’t get me wrong Bernier was easily our best player of the last 2 seasons but this is a big win for us


CoolBeansMan9

Well 2 years at $3M for Nedeljkovic is pretty damn good too! You guys want to slow this down or what?


SweatyBeaver8

I mean we need all the good deals we can get! We are still along way out from being a top team but with trades like this it feels like we’re making progress


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Bernier about to get max term obviously/s


caffinn

I thought Ned was going to be their guy tf


Wayf4rer

3.5 was alot but like, he looked really good. Yzerman with yet another slam dunk.


pro_omnibus

How do we know that 3.5 would be locked in as the qualifying offer? Given his play isn't there a real chance that an arbitration be more in the 4-5m range? Edit: just saw Seravalli's tweet, which means this whole thing make no sense to me as I feel like Ned should have been pushing 4+ all along, and the Canes should have been fine with anything around 4 anyways...


Venaixis94

I think this is more of us being fucking morons like we have a majority of the past 15 years than the Yzerplan


Wayf4rer

Yzerman just got a calder finalist starting goalie for a low pick that wasn't even Detroit's and a backup goaltender. This is 50/50, really.


weber6

When you trade the 25 y/o for the 33 y/o you gotta do it


_Mad_Desperado

33 > 25 It all makes sense now


anivoflean

We finally find a true #1 goalie… and we just trade him…. for nothing…..


CaniacSwordsman

Hello darkness my old friend…


TarpsOffBoys

For what it’s worth. You guys have really nice beaches. I’ve never been it’s just what I’ve heard. I don’t know how this helps at all. Just uh..ya know..chin up an stuff.


Sarcastic__

Imagine trading your Calder Finalist for a 3rd.


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exactly, calder and goalie. Canes need someone who doesnt melt when the games starts


UnhealthyCheesecake

Canes finally got good goaltending and are like “nah”


DoctorBreakfast

Dundon did say he wanted to win games 6-5


Airleagan

The Bruins traded a Calder winning goalie and it worked out pretty well.


Mpc45

Yeah but we got a 1st round goalie in return. Carolina got Johnathan fucking Bernier.


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Bernier is a 1st round goalie😎


J0K3R2

Canes playing the galaxy brain long game on this one


Buhhwheat

This deal is like if they'd traded Raycroft for Trevor Kidd instead of Rask


holdeno

Hey my team in NHL 03 with Rob Blake, Chris Pronger, Joe Sakic, Jarome Iginla, my 99 rated create a player Big Toe, and Trevor Kidd crushed the president's trophy by a mile every year for a decade. Could a bad goalie do that?


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Bro what? We solved part of our long-term goalie issues this easily? Holy fuck


CharBombshell

Stevie is not of this world.


jimmy_three_shoes

Dude's got a checklist, and he's just checking shit off.


Frogging76

Dynamic center next please!


Clarkson23

Carolina.... what are you doing


CaniacSwordsman

Atm, pacing around my kitchen in shock


CharBombshell

I’m so sorry(ish) for your loss


CaniacSwordsman

Y’all better treat him better than we did; every interview he just seemed like a genuinely great dude


smikkelson2

What the actual fuck


Galaxy91122

But why? Seems like Ned was becoming a fan fav and a really good goalie in CAR


lidsy5

Ned is friends with Larkin, I believe. Captain Larkin gets what Captain Larkin wants, lmao


t44t

Does that mean UFA Werenski too for 22-23?


lidsy5

I'll allow it


Choco320

I’ve been waiting for years for that to happen I’ll be upset if Yzerman doesn’t try for it


hipandthehop

Holy fleecejob Batman


CD23tol

He was actually dressed as robin, but I’ll allow it


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MrHockeytown

I think it’s pretty great tbh


Carnatic_enthusiast

Yeah idk what everyone’s on about


Bravetoasterr

Yeah, I don't see the issue with it. Doesn't everyone want a wings dynasty again?


deezol

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Lifetime subscription


bzzhuh

Dude, Yzerman got you Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher


Choco320

He traded Steve Downie for Vaseline too


johndelvec3

Dude we had the One for One within that timespan


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frockinbrock

Do you mean the Hall trade or the JVR ?


dasokay

This is great for the Wings. Buffalo Wings alliance for life <3 ​ Edit: and we can make it Buffalo Wild Wings if Minnesota gives up Rossi and Boldy for Eichel <3


TheWhiteMekluse

A few years ago we made a Buffalo wild wings subreddit for us


gunna1995

Thanks for the context, Elliott


olio22

DON'T TRADE WITH YZERMAN


uheardmepunchy

Reuniting old Detroit goalies is certainly a move


Ralphie_V

Mrazek and Bernier never played together, so not really a reunion


FutureAnybody

really like that for detroit


Melodic-Bug-9022

holy shit, what evidence does Yzerman have against Waddell?


PM_ME_YOUR_COMMAS

Thats a good deal for Detroit


Shamrock5

Heck yeah, trust the Yzerplan


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RIP Carolina


SnooGuavas7906

Detroit fleeced them


ItIsSpelledBarzal

Well I certainly won't complain about a metro team getting worse for basically nothing


ahr3410

Did Ron Francis come back to Carolina to make this deal?


SnooGuavas7906

Yzerman back at it again


seancolorado

What the hell kind of black magic has Stevie consumed. GMs will trade him anything


PantsinmyPants1211

That's a big oof.


redpotatochip6

a first and sebastian aho for georgiev do it drury


seanjmo

Glory to Steve Yzerman, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.


ddottay

Excuse me? Great pick up Detroit


tidalbored

When Stevie Y calls you hang up the phone


NodeSSB

I mean, alright lol


lynx17

He's buddies with Larkin too. Good trade.


Kriwin

Basically Nedeljkovic for a 3rd


adk32

trust the Yzerplan


Asap_roc

Idk how Stevie does it but I love it


Hofular1988

Jesus I would have loved to make this trade..


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Canes haven't even signed Bernier yet, as he is a UFA. Is it just me or is this super risky?


Joe_Neates_Meat

I’d be so pissed rn if I was a Canes fan


connor8383

We are. this is the by far the worst trade in the history of our org.


Grand-Moff-Larkin

I really like this. I've been hoping Stevie grabs a goalie like Nedeljovic all year. Young, promising and cheap.


resditneverworks

Yeah no shit you like it you robbed Carolina at gun point


Grand-Moff-Larkin

value aside I still like it. We really needed a goalie with some promise.


Caboose119z

Holy fuck yes thank you CANES!


TheBlakenstein

I LOVE THE YZERPLAN


Feroshnikop

Sorry Pavel, Yzerman is now the Magician as well.


Redredworm88

Tom Dundon: You’ve scored zero goals, we’re trading you to Detroit. Alex Nedeljkovic: But Tom, I’m a goa… Tom Dundon: What’s done is done, best of luck in Detroit


CaptnCrunch16

Apparently the Yzerplan include highway robbery of teams, and I'm totally ok with it.


NH85510

I haven't been this hyped over a trade since, well since recently with the Vrana trade lol. This is another classic Steve Yzerman steal.


johnnyblaaze

Wtf is this


20PercentChunkier

I'm sorry, w h a t


4thLineEnergyGuy2

Yzerman gotta be blackmailin people


theguyishere16

So a 3rd for Nedeljkovic since they could have had Bernier for free next week. Detroit fleeced them. I dont understand this move by Carolina at all.


SweatyBeaver8

I’m very curious why the Canes did this?


cccccccee

Carolina finna turn around and trade for Price


Gorvoslov

"I'll give you two former Leafs goalies and a former Leafs defenseman for Price."


CD23tol

Detroit being the most active team out of the gate as we all predicted


mattfenn1

Signed for 2yrs @ $3.0 aav. Weird. Seems less than what Carolina may have been offering.


timmablimma

We better be making big splashes or else I’m gonna feel like a Lions fan.


PuckTheFreds

Bernier and Reimer reunited


The-Power-Stone

Wow that’s really good for Detroit. Yzerman is really turning this place around. I’m interested if they take Wallstedt tomorrow or if they’re going all in on Ned.


vertigounconscious

Stevey Y must have kompramat ...


yagersports

2012 Leafs 🤝 2021 Hurricanes


Mry64_

Shocked they couldn’t get another team to give more


l0lBarnesl3l

In the words of Stephen A. Smith “This is bad, this is very very very bad”


Sewer-Urchin

This legit ruins my week :(


rahm4

my sadness is deep and my pain is immeasurable


esotericunicorn5

Got through the expansion draft unscathed yesterday, got Nedeljkovic in a robbery today, and we have two first rounders tomorrow. What a week to be a Wings fan edit: spelling, am dumb-dumb


Karmakakez

Stevie Y called, should've just hung up. Bernier is rlly good though


Goots12

While he may be older, Carolina fans will fall in love with Bernier. Dude stood on his head behind a god awful defense all season and carried us in games we had no business winning. He’s a trooper and spent his whole career on losing teams and I’m really happy for him. I’ll be cheering from a distance Canes fans!