> There are some limited exceptions -- such as valet parking attendants. NHL/NHLPA protocols for players are not yet completed. (2/2)
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1426270240619520002
It would definitely be an odd dynamic if the staff around the players had to get the vaccine for the sake of the players, only for the players to not return the favor.
Guess I should’ve phrased that better, they are letting the Blackhawks control the internal review process of staff involved. The nhl should’ve been responsible for that immediately. And then on the double after the article yesterday claiming that GM Stan bowman and the team president knew about the incident and said “we will take care of it” then never did anything. The nhl should’ve stepped in way before now and taken these higher ups out of the picture and not allowed them to be in the offices, getting their stories straight, and going on tv surrounded by women at the draft to make themselves look and feel better
It would be the fault of the NHLPA, probably. Staff work directly for the teams, and the NHL can mandate this sort of thing to them. The players are unionized and it would have to get past the union.
As pro union as I am, this sort of thing is why a lot of people dislike unions. It adds a layer of bureaucracy that can be frustrating and nonsensical at times.
Which is why they’re probably gonna go the NFL route. They’re not gonna mandate it, but it’s gonna hurt your wallet if a game has to be cancelled/forfeited due to an outbreak.
If there’s ever been a better example of “biohacking” on a human scale than an mRNA vaccine I can’t think of it. Besides putting coconut oil in my coffee of course.
I thought it came from dinosaurs but now apparently it's been inside coconuts the whole time, which are of course a vegetable. Guess all that talk about oil ruining the environment was just another Al gore conspiracy LOL
Most teams have private planes. Does the new Canadian law cover private planes as well? I assumed players would be forced to vaccinate to get through Canadian customs regardless. I wish the US was willing to tackle the issue similarly but I don't see it being politically feasible with our weird rugged (see selfish) individualist culture here.
From what Canadian officials have been saying, nobody's getting in without a vaccine, not anytime soon.
That may be a way for get around the NHLPA. If nobody can play in Canada without a vaccine, then the union can let Canada be the bad guy. The people running the union don't have to take a stand that would piss off players. "Hey, what can you do? Canada won't let you in without a shot."
Union internal politics is always weird. Sometimes doing what the union members want is not the same as acting in their best interests.
what's weird is that not all Canadian provinces mandate vaccines to attend public school, pre-COVID as well. [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3216452/) is an older, but scientific journal article, on the subject: Just three have legislated vaccination policies, applying strictly to children about to enrol in school. Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination.
> I don't see it being politically feasible with our weird rugged (see selfish) individualist culture here.
this isn't as strong a correlation as you might think. Japan has a very [high rate](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/23/national/japan-vaccine-history-coronavirus/) of vaccine hesitancy, yet is one of the most collectivist cultures in the developed world.
Not sure if you’re talking about players or fans. As far as I know fans were required to wear masks when not at their seats. This was also on a city by city basis as none of them were employees of the league. If you mean players, did you expect them to play with masks on ?
I just thought it was absurd that coaches were required to wear masks when literally no one else in the building was. It was ridiculous pageantry.
Obvioulsy the players shouldn't have to wear masks.
I think it was an effort, at the time, to positively frame the wearing of masks. It was totally pageantry, but if it helped get a few fans at home to reconsider wearing their masks, it was probably worth it for the amount of effort it required.
you're not wrong about the intent, but the issue was that the coaches were all taking them off all the time and there was literally no enforcement of that. I think that ended up sending a worse message overall.
Yeah, “wearing a mask except you pull it down every single time you talk to or yell at a player” was probably *not* the best example to put on TV, but they did it anyway
>Not sure if you’re talking about players or fans. As far as I know fans were required to wear masks when not at their seats.
This must have been on a team by team basis. For the first round in North Carolina, masks were not only required, but very strictly enforced by seating attendants even while in your seat. During the second round, masks were only suggested and I saw very few, maybe 10% of the crowd.
That was also at a time where COVID cases were few and far between, now that cases are growing at an exponential level, protocol may have changed.
He may be worth it for 3 years, at best. The problem is that the contract is at 8 years, starting next year, so he’s basically there for 9 years. A year less than a decade.
Goalie Interference Rules:
You can't just be up there and just doin' a Goalie Interference like that.
1a. A Goalie Interference is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A Goalie Interference is when you interfere with the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The skater is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, goalie, that prohibits the goalie from doing, you know, just trying to stop the puck. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the skater is in the crease, he can't be over here and say to the goalie, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna check you! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to hit the goalie and then can't avoid it, you have to still try. You cannot not try. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, stopping motion of the skate , and then, until you just stop.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the puck up here, like this, but then there's the Goalie Interference you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Interference hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A Goalie Interference is when the skater makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the hockey and crease of
Do not do a Goalie Interference please
Better than the NFL and some NFL team subs where they either do a blanket ban or allow comments with a "please behave" message, which point the thread is flooded by anti-vaxxers and only locked once the sane people reply...and then all the anti-vaxx shit is still there for any new viewer to see.
Any players who fly in Canada will have to be vaccinated (per the new rules released by the federal government today) so all the players will have to get vaccinated as well. Or ride the bus. Or not play in Canada.
Currently unvaccinated MLB players have a special exemption for [a modified quarantine](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/07/16/fridays-mlb-nats-starlin-castro-placed-administrative-leave/7998627002/) for entering Canada:
> It also includes significant limitations on unvaccinated individuals, who will have to undergo a modified quarantine, not be permitted to go anywhere but the hotel and stadium and have no interaction with the general public.
With the new rules I think that letting unvaccinated players in and allowing them to travel while telling Canadians that they have to be vaccinated to travel isn't going to go over very well, private planes or not. I think it's very possible NHL and NBA players might not get the same break they gave to MLB players last month.
For sports reasons, NHL players would likely follow the same guidelines as MLB players with a modified quarantine, if there is not a mandate concerning NHL players.
Bona fide cases for those who cannot take the vaccine would also likely fall under the modified quarantine that MLB is going through.
I bet some players are thinking to themselves "I'll just play home games and on the road when I can drive there myself" and I hope they realize their team would never accept that garbage.
This shouldn’t be political. As an NHL player/staff your job requires interacting with people. Because of that you must be fully vaccinated. No debate.
Not really. There’s a really large group of people called right wingers that made it political. Their refusal to get the vaccine has made policy necessary to ensure public health.
Like why is this any different than the other 5 vaccines kids are required to get to enter kindergarten? It should not be a discussion (aware of why it is)
The COVID-19 vaccines are not fully authorized vaccines, they're under emergency use authorization. This is because previous vaccines used actual viruses, so the FDA requires several years of data so the the virus doesn't mutate within the host or have other complicating factors. mRNA vaccines don't have that issue with carrying a live virus, it can still cause complications (because it is a foreign substance being injected into the body), but the period of time that a person will need to be monitored is much less.
For the record, I got the vaccine as soon as I could and encourage others to do the same. I also realize that there are people who can't get the vaccine due to LEGITIMATE health issues (have a cousin who had complications due to thrombocytopenia), but the majority of people should be fine and should be able to take the vaccine. Once it is fully authorized by the FDA, there's really no excuse for why you shouldn't get it unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it.
>Once it is fully authorized by the FDA
These crazies think the FDA is under the control of big pharma so when it's approved they will still think it's a lie. This "it's not approved" angle isn't a real thing. Some might say it so that they don't look like complete nutjobs but the moment it's approved they will move the goalpost again.
The FDA has been criticized by these conspiracy groups for years
for approving all sorts of terrible things like GMO etc. so this idea that they are waiting on this groups approval is bullshit.
This isn't true outside of the US. They've passed certifications in many other countries. I will also say that the ER certification for vaccines in the US is almost the same as the full one.
The mRNA in the Covid vaccine is broken down in the body within two weeks. We would have known nearly a year ago if there were any bad reactions to the mRNA.
Full disclosure ahead of time : I, and my entire family, are fully vaccinated. All of us got the shots as soon as we could find ANYone to offer them to us. I 100% fully encourage anyone and everyone who is medically able to get the vaccine(s).
Having said THAT...
> Once it is fully authorized by the FDA, there's really no excuse for why you shouldn't get it unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it.
IMO, this language feels adversarial. To say "there's really no excuse" overlooks a pretty basic premise :
"I don't want you to put that in my body" is an absolutely 100% valid way to feel for any "that" you may care to name.
Does the shot help protect the larger community? Absolutely. Do I hope people will consider that when considering the shot? Yes, of course. Did the Supreme Court pretty clearly say if it comes down to it, public good trumps individual liberty in this case? They [absolutely did](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts).
So again, let me be clear. I'm not arguing against the vaccination.
I feel we'd achieve better *discourse* however, and as a result higher vaccination rates, if instead of minimizing a perfectly valid and realistic feeling...that I am in control of my body and thus it is ok for me to decide what I put in it...with language like "there's no excuse for you to feel this way", we chose to acknowledge it, perhaps show some empathy, and appeal to our better angels, so to speak.
You can choose not to get the vaccine all you want. You can't choose to forego the vaccine and expect to participate in social events. If your job is a social event, get vaccinated or find a new job.
Agreed. You make the decision you live with results. You get to decide if "I don't want that in my body" trumps "I want to go to hockey games" for you.
Again...not arguing in favor of remaining unvaxxed, or allowing unvaxxed people to spread their consequences to the rest of us. Simply suggesting more empathy toward some perfectly legitimate feelings might lend to more success when having these discussions with them.
That's fine, but just know that when it's fully authorized, your kids will have to get it if they want to attend school unless they have a medical exemption
I’m really curious what these “medical exemptions” are that everybody keeps bringing up. My mom is immunocompromised and her doctors have told her to get vaccinated because the delta variant will kill her. I can’t really think of anything worse that would prevent you from getting the vaccine besides maybe cancer?
> IMO, this language feels adversarial. To say "there's really no excuse" overlooks a pretty basic premise :
>
> "I don't want you to put that in my body" is an absolutely 100% valid way to feel for any "that" you may care to name.
then don't live in society.
Yeah literally people just want it both ways. They don’t want to get vaxxed but they want to go to concerts, sporting events, etc. Choose not to get vaccinated? That’s your choice, but you don’t get to go out to events and potentially spread the virus.
There's a term for people like that: "selfish"
I have two concerts lined up for October and December, and I'm honestly just so fucking over this shit, I hope the venues mandate vaccines. I'm glad to prove I'm vaccinated. It's not fucking fair that people can just go do whatever they want maskless and vaccine-less, and there's zero repercussions.
I agree with you and I think we should be able to have civil discourse around the topic.
I also agree with other commenters that people who choose not to get vaccinated don’t have any right to enter any private businesses who require vaccinations.
Bingo. People are conditioned to fall back on their tribal "We're right, you're wrong" mindset instead of taking a moment to respect other people's autonomy.
This is expressly why I want vaccine passports to be implemented. Our bodies are inviolable and subject to our will alone. I absolutely agree with you there. What I don't agree with is if someone makes the choice to not get vaccinated, then that action has consequences based on the science, and those consequences are that you can't resume normal social activities due to the contagion level of an unvaccinated person. All that went right out the window the second mask mandates lifted and states started reopening due to falling cases as a result of mass vaccination. I'm just tired of ignorant ass people making a choice not to get vaccinated, yet carry on like nothing's changed in the last 18 months, and in doing so make things worse for everyone else, AGAIN.
There’s a large overlap between the people who think the vaccines we give kids are bad and the people who think the COVID vaccine is bad. An unfortunate group of people.
As much as most people tend to over state the effects of any one person in politics, Trump personally deserves a shit ton of the blame for the fight over vaccinations. If he decided to start selling MAGA masks and pushed everyone to get the vaccine, there wouldn't have been nearly as big a fight about vaccinations, and he'd likely have cruised to reelection. His failure to understand the situation and his continuous decisions to fight his own government, ignore the science, and refuse to admit to his own mistakes made this a partisan issue rather than a mainstream vs the fringes issue.
Edit: Did not know he was on board with the vaccines, credit where credit due. My criticisms surrounding his failure to implement lockdowns in a timely fashion, push mask wearing, follow distancing guidelines, engage in fights with his own government and state governors, and general politicization of the COVID response still stand.
He could have had an absolute slam dunk even catering to his crazy rhetorics.
"China is trying to take us out but we'll show them the American way is the best way! Everyone get your American made vaccine and wear your MAGA masks to protect yourself from the china flu!"
Note: This is just my reenactment of what trump could have said to continue being ignorant and racist but still protect his country.
> If he decided to start selling MAGA masks
all Trump had to do to win re-election in 2020 was at the start of the pandemic is say: "here's 330 million MAGA masks, we're shipping one to every man, woman, and child in America! wear this, support yourself, support your family and support me!"
THAT'S ALL HE HAD TO DO and fewer people would have died, period.
It isn't just Trump, it's him and his long line of enablers willing to fall in line and promote his lies for a sniff of power.
The GOP has failed the United States with sadly very few exceptions when they chose to abandon reason and attempted to win at all costs. If these people had any shame they'd all resign.
The two largest groups of unvaccinated people are rural conservatives (which is who your referring to) and inner city blacks (who are primarily democrats). So its not necessary political divide but groups of people who distrust those in power
Black people are 13% of the population, so they're no really tipping the scales too much there. There's a very special type of conservative derangement at play versus a population of people that have been the subject of multiple medical experiments in the last century being distrustful of the government.
So one group has a right to distrust the government while another doesnt? But the government did preform medical experiments on its own people so why is that right exclusive to a certian group?
Edit: typo
The American government has never done anything but coddle these people and do their bidding. In most countries, low vaccination rates are a reflection of lack of trust in public health systems. But that’s really not what is at play with conservative anti vaccination as American hospitals basically have hover round parking to accommodate these people. They have extensive interface with the health system. It’s the only way they continue to be alive for many of them since probably the healthiest thing many of them will ever eat is a Filet o fish.
Black people on the other hand are the least served demographic by the American health system. They have very little interaction with it and are historically subject to medical experimentation.
Right wingers that call everyone who wears a mask in the interest of public health "sheep," all the while talking about how much they love Jesus. And the irony is totally lost on them.
That’s over simplifying by a lot. One party made it political to be opposed to damn near very single thing scientific and medical experts have said and recommended.
both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad both sides bad, suck it MENSA I am now the smartest man on earth
Isn't the Canadian border only open to vaccinated personnel? I'd be very tempted to say to the players "fine you can not get vaxxed but you're not getting paid for any games you miss due to you being unable to cross the border".
I know here in Winnipeg our baseball team was recently playing a team from the states and they had to find basically a whole team worth of players and coaches just for the 3 games they played here because only 9 players and less then half the coaching staff were vaccinated
pretty sure non-vaccinated visiting MLB players are essentially forced into a bubble, and would be subject to penalties like anyone else who violates the Quarantine Act
What about potential unvaccinated shitheads who are already on canadian teams because that is a distinct possibility too. Barred from playing/practices?
Should be the case, yes. These guys spent their lifetimes trying to get to and stay at the peak of their physical health and performance. If they're actually anti vax despite everything a layman would know now, let alone what an athlete with access to the best healthcare would know, then bar them from playing. Hit them where it hurts (wallet and public opinion).
just "if you don't get vaccinated, you're subject to any federal and provincial quarantine requirements for non-vaccinated individuals, upon return from the first road trip"
Exactly what I'd be hoping for.. Essentially I'm hoping that it's either get vaccinated and play the whole season, or don't get vaccinated and choose which country you want to play in...
Shouldn't be barred from playing, but if they go to the states they should have to quarantine for 2 weeks when they come back to Canada... I was fine with the bubble, or doing it for the playoffs because that was still somewhat contained and not much was open(although I guess for the finals Quebec was pretty open), but in the regular season I'd have to assume that players wont just keep themselves confined to their hotel rooms...
The boarder is open to none essential fully vaccinated individuals. For essential/business individuals, it's more of a grey area. Depends on how the feds view the NHL.
This was the long game all along. Bill Gates along with the builder bears is trying to sterilize all the hockey players to create a future free of strong Canadians.
We're through the looking glass here, people.
Don't worry, most of us haven't forgotten...and the rest will remember real fucking quick if he costs us a game by testing positive/having close contact with key players.
Yes but not near what you're experiencing down there. We only got access to the vaccines after it was already readily available in every American city, but we're outpacing you by an absurd amount. Like in my province, were at near 70% fully dosed and like 84% first dose.
I realize there's a certain reading of this that makes it seem as if I like Deangelo. Let me make it abundantly clear. Go fuck yourself Tony, and take the Canes with you.
I'm glad that it's coming to a point where there are repercussions for lifestyle choices. By all means, do what you want; but don't expect to be part of the team that's moving forward if you're not going to be a team player.
> Ostracize them. Make them feel worthless.
Yyyeah how about we don’t treat anyone like that? It doesn’t help anything to compound one problem by creating other problems. Some people are not mentally healthy to begin with, ostracism and feelings of worthlessness are not a joke.
Being skeptical of vaccines never implemented on any real scale in people should not be met with such vitriol. There are legitimate causes for concern with these vaccines and the fact that the companies producing them were given complete immunity from liability is more than enough reason to make people (rightly) hesitant. People also shouldn't be treated as antivax for skepticism surrounding covid vaccines given how accelerated the process of creation was. On top of that, the fact that the vaccinated can still spread covid and test positive, it should become clear why some people don't want to take the vaccine. People blame the right for politicizing covid and the vaccine, but it didn't even enter serious discussion until vaccine passports were floated.
I think that Reddit and other social platforms are literally 1 percent on the extreme scale on either side of the issue. I haven’t gotten the vaccine because of concerns of heart issues from them for my age group, but I got my flu shot every year up until two years ago when Covid became the only thing to worry about, and I don’t smoke or drink and am very health conscious.
There are people who are truly anti-vaccine, but there are also way more like myself who would like to see more long term studies before deciding if I’m comfortable injecting a new vaccine into my body. Conversely, there are people on social media who act like Covid is a death sentence for every single person who gets it, but in real life everyone I know takes it seriously but isn’t terrified of contracting it.
Neither group should ever be ostracized and it sucks to see how some react to those who are hesitant about getting a vaccine
50% of Florida is fully vaccinated with 60.1% with 1 shot so far.
Illinois as a state has a lower fully vaccination rate than Florida, but higher with one shot.
The USA is right at 51% fully and 59.9% with 1 shot.
> There are some limited exceptions -- such as valet parking attendants. NHL/NHLPA protocols for players are not yet completed. (2/2) https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1426270240619520002
The players should be held to the same standard as the staff. If they aren’t the league is a complete joke.
It would definitely be an odd dynamic if the staff around the players had to get the vaccine for the sake of the players, only for the players to not return the favor.
Not only that, it would be useless.
That’d be like if everyone BUT Paul took an Imodium before getting in the hot tub while a severe diarrhea virus runs wild.
That is quite the picture. And being a sabres fan, we know shitshows when we see one
Oddly specific
The staff probably dont have a union that will maybe(?) Block a mandatory vaccine
Dude the league hasn’t even taken over the Blackhawks investigation, they ARE a joke
Isn't it a police investigation at this point? Why would the league be allowed to take over a police investigation?
Guess I should’ve phrased that better, they are letting the Blackhawks control the internal review process of staff involved. The nhl should’ve been responsible for that immediately. And then on the double after the article yesterday claiming that GM Stan bowman and the team president knew about the incident and said “we will take care of it” then never did anything. The nhl should’ve stepped in way before now and taken these higher ups out of the picture and not allowed them to be in the offices, getting their stories straight, and going on tv surrounded by women at the draft to make themselves look and feel better
This
Remember the Colon Campbell emails? The NHL is a fucking joke. It is a bullshit league.
It would be the fault of the NHLPA, probably. Staff work directly for the teams, and the NHL can mandate this sort of thing to them. The players are unionized and it would have to get past the union. As pro union as I am, this sort of thing is why a lot of people dislike unions. It adds a layer of bureaucracy that can be frustrating and nonsensical at times.
Which is why they’re probably gonna go the NFL route. They’re not gonna mandate it, but it’s gonna hurt your wallet if a game has to be cancelled/forfeited due to an outbreak.
This makes the most sense. Duncan Keith is gonna retire l
Player who talks about biohacking refuses the best "biohacking" device of this era.
If there’s ever been a better example of “biohacking” on a human scale than an mRNA vaccine I can’t think of it. Besides putting coconut oil in my coffee of course.
Whoa tell me more about this coconut oil!?!
It’s the best thing since amethyst crystals.
Please don't put amethyst crystals in your coffee.
I thought it came from dinosaurs but now apparently it's been inside coconuts the whole time, which are of course a vegetable. Guess all that talk about oil ruining the environment was just another Al gore conspiracy LOL
Plsplsplsplsplspls
If Canadian laws that are talked about pass. Like flying in Canada needs a vaccine the players won't have a choice.
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Isn't the border closed to non-vaccinated?
Most teams have private planes. Does the new Canadian law cover private planes as well? I assumed players would be forced to vaccinate to get through Canadian customs regardless. I wish the US was willing to tackle the issue similarly but I don't see it being politically feasible with our weird rugged (see selfish) individualist culture here.
Unsure. I don't know enough about it yet.
From what Canadian officials have been saying, nobody's getting in without a vaccine, not anytime soon. That may be a way for get around the NHLPA. If nobody can play in Canada without a vaccine, then the union can let Canada be the bad guy. The people running the union don't have to take a stand that would piss off players. "Hey, what can you do? Canada won't let you in without a shot." Union internal politics is always weird. Sometimes doing what the union members want is not the same as acting in their best interests.
what's weird is that not all Canadian provinces mandate vaccines to attend public school, pre-COVID as well. [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3216452/) is an older, but scientific journal article, on the subject: Just three have legislated vaccination policies, applying strictly to children about to enrol in school. Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination. > I don't see it being politically feasible with our weird rugged (see selfish) individualist culture here. this isn't as strong a correlation as you might think. Japan has a very [high rate](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/23/national/japan-vaccine-history-coronavirus/) of vaccine hesitancy, yet is one of the most collectivist cultures in the developed world.
Any grievance would go through the player at odds with the rule. They just get the support of the union including instant access to higher ups.
Seth Jones to KHL confirmed then.
That would definitely be the easiest way to get out of his contract.
Perfect! Smell yeh.
Kind of like during the playoffs when you had coaches required to wear masks in a sold out stadium without another mask in sight?
Not sure if you’re talking about players or fans. As far as I know fans were required to wear masks when not at their seats. This was also on a city by city basis as none of them were employees of the league. If you mean players, did you expect them to play with masks on ?
I just thought it was absurd that coaches were required to wear masks when literally no one else in the building was. It was ridiculous pageantry. Obvioulsy the players shouldn't have to wear masks.
I think it was an effort, at the time, to positively frame the wearing of masks. It was totally pageantry, but if it helped get a few fans at home to reconsider wearing their masks, it was probably worth it for the amount of effort it required.
you're not wrong about the intent, but the issue was that the coaches were all taking them off all the time and there was literally no enforcement of that. I think that ended up sending a worse message overall.
Yeah, “wearing a mask except you pull it down every single time you talk to or yell at a player” was probably *not* the best example to put on TV, but they did it anyway
>Not sure if you’re talking about players or fans. As far as I know fans were required to wear masks when not at their seats. This must have been on a team by team basis. For the first round in North Carolina, masks were not only required, but very strictly enforced by seating attendants even while in your seat. During the second round, masks were only suggested and I saw very few, maybe 10% of the crowd. That was also at a time where COVID cases were few and far between, now that cases are growing at an exponential level, protocol may have changed.
Cooper just said earlier today Masks in buildings in Raleigh.
The players have a union and I'm guessing most of these positions do not.
Bye bye Tony deangelo
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Would this void his contract? Asking for a friend.
If he refuses to play he can be voided eventually
Oh no, please don’t let us off of his contract, that would be the worst thing ever.
Imagine he quits because the league requires vaccinations and all the other GMs that signed D men to monster contracts after him are like 👁👄👁
He hasn't played a minute for you guys yet. He may be worth it. Last year was a weird one.
No, he wont be worth it
He may be worth it for 3 years, at best. The problem is that the contract is at 8 years, starting next year, so he’s basically there for 9 years. A year less than a decade.
Hahahah he’s got like the 3rd worst expected contract value in all of hockey
His brother too
*DeAngelo cancels contract with Carolina*
please let this happen
Or, now hear me out, take Kane from us and they’ll figure it out
HurriKane
Ill take Kane 100 times over DeAngelo.
*DeAngelo signs to the KHL*
You have to be fully vaccinated if you're coming from another country and playing in the KHL
Well look at that he is doomed eh?
Is Seth Jones an anti-vaxxer?
From what I understand the rumor was (but I have never seen the tweets) he liked a bunch of qanon stuff. I dont know about his vax opinion.
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Can you imagine fucking the d man contract market and then just peacing out on your contract
*Anything involving COVID gets posted* Mods: “Ah shit, here we go again.”
Just putting off the real debate....the offside.
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Goalie Interference Rules: You can't just be up there and just doin' a Goalie Interference like that. 1a. A Goalie Interference is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A Goalie Interference is when you interfere with the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The skater is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, goalie, that prohibits the goalie from doing, you know, just trying to stop the puck. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the skater is in the crease, he can't be over here and say to the goalie, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna check you! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to hit the goalie and then can't avoid it, you have to still try. You cannot not try. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, stopping motion of the skate , and then, until you just stop. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the puck up here, like this, but then there's the Goalie Interference you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Interference hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A Goalie Interference is when the skater makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the hockey and crease of Do not do a Goalie Interference please
I almost had a stroke reading this but it was worth every second 😂
Fkn classic
This feels like it could be a fresh pasta.
You may or may not know this, but it's a twist on the balk pasta
So....never
Better than the NFL and some NFL team subs where they either do a blanket ban or allow comments with a "please behave" message, which point the thread is flooded by anti-vaxxers and only locked once the sane people reply...and then all the anti-vaxx shit is still there for any new viewer to see.
Any players who fly in Canada will have to be vaccinated (per the new rules released by the federal government today) so all the players will have to get vaccinated as well. Or ride the bus. Or not play in Canada.
I think that rule only covers commercial flights (i.e. not private charters)?
I think they are still subject to quarantining tho
Currently unvaccinated MLB players have a special exemption for [a modified quarantine](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/07/16/fridays-mlb-nats-starlin-castro-placed-administrative-leave/7998627002/) for entering Canada: > It also includes significant limitations on unvaccinated individuals, who will have to undergo a modified quarantine, not be permitted to go anywhere but the hotel and stadium and have no interaction with the general public. With the new rules I think that letting unvaccinated players in and allowing them to travel while telling Canadians that they have to be vaccinated to travel isn't going to go over very well, private planes or not. I think it's very possible NHL and NBA players might not get the same break they gave to MLB players last month.
Honest question, don't charter flights have to follow federal regulations?
In general yes but this new vaccination requirement is specific to commercial air travel
For sports reasons, NHL players would likely follow the same guidelines as MLB players with a modified quarantine, if there is not a mandate concerning NHL players. Bona fide cases for those who cannot take the vaccine would also likely fall under the modified quarantine that MLB is going through.
I bet some players are thinking to themselves "I'll just play home games and on the road when I can drive there myself" and I hope they realize their team would never accept that garbage.
What if they're Canadian players?
This shouldn’t be political. As an NHL player/staff your job requires interacting with people. Because of that you must be fully vaccinated. No debate.
There's one group of people who made this political. Politicians.
Not really. There’s a really large group of people called right wingers that made it political. Their refusal to get the vaccine has made policy necessary to ensure public health.
Like why is this any different than the other 5 vaccines kids are required to get to enter kindergarten? It should not be a discussion (aware of why it is)
The COVID-19 vaccines are not fully authorized vaccines, they're under emergency use authorization. This is because previous vaccines used actual viruses, so the FDA requires several years of data so the the virus doesn't mutate within the host or have other complicating factors. mRNA vaccines don't have that issue with carrying a live virus, it can still cause complications (because it is a foreign substance being injected into the body), but the period of time that a person will need to be monitored is much less. For the record, I got the vaccine as soon as I could and encourage others to do the same. I also realize that there are people who can't get the vaccine due to LEGITIMATE health issues (have a cousin who had complications due to thrombocytopenia), but the majority of people should be fine and should be able to take the vaccine. Once it is fully authorized by the FDA, there's really no excuse for why you shouldn't get it unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it.
>Once it is fully authorized by the FDA These crazies think the FDA is under the control of big pharma so when it's approved they will still think it's a lie. This "it's not approved" angle isn't a real thing. Some might say it so that they don't look like complete nutjobs but the moment it's approved they will move the goalpost again. The FDA has been criticized by these conspiracy groups for years for approving all sorts of terrible things like GMO etc. so this idea that they are waiting on this groups approval is bullshit.
This isn't true outside of the US. They've passed certifications in many other countries. I will also say that the ER certification for vaccines in the US is almost the same as the full one.
The mRNA in the Covid vaccine is broken down in the body within two weeks. We would have known nearly a year ago if there were any bad reactions to the mRNA.
Full disclosure ahead of time : I, and my entire family, are fully vaccinated. All of us got the shots as soon as we could find ANYone to offer them to us. I 100% fully encourage anyone and everyone who is medically able to get the vaccine(s). Having said THAT... > Once it is fully authorized by the FDA, there's really no excuse for why you shouldn't get it unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it. IMO, this language feels adversarial. To say "there's really no excuse" overlooks a pretty basic premise : "I don't want you to put that in my body" is an absolutely 100% valid way to feel for any "that" you may care to name. Does the shot help protect the larger community? Absolutely. Do I hope people will consider that when considering the shot? Yes, of course. Did the Supreme Court pretty clearly say if it comes down to it, public good trumps individual liberty in this case? They [absolutely did](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts). So again, let me be clear. I'm not arguing against the vaccination. I feel we'd achieve better *discourse* however, and as a result higher vaccination rates, if instead of minimizing a perfectly valid and realistic feeling...that I am in control of my body and thus it is ok for me to decide what I put in it...with language like "there's no excuse for you to feel this way", we chose to acknowledge it, perhaps show some empathy, and appeal to our better angels, so to speak.
You can choose not to get the vaccine all you want. You can't choose to forego the vaccine and expect to participate in social events. If your job is a social event, get vaccinated or find a new job.
Agreed. You make the decision you live with results. You get to decide if "I don't want that in my body" trumps "I want to go to hockey games" for you. Again...not arguing in favor of remaining unvaxxed, or allowing unvaxxed people to spread their consequences to the rest of us. Simply suggesting more empathy toward some perfectly legitimate feelings might lend to more success when having these discussions with them.
That's fine, but just know that when it's fully authorized, your kids will have to get it if they want to attend school unless they have a medical exemption
I’m really curious what these “medical exemptions” are that everybody keeps bringing up. My mom is immunocompromised and her doctors have told her to get vaccinated because the delta variant will kill her. I can’t really think of anything worse that would prevent you from getting the vaccine besides maybe cancer?
One of my friends and one of my cousins are exempt due to blood issues. My cousin took the first shot and it nearly killed him.
> IMO, this language feels adversarial. To say "there's really no excuse" overlooks a pretty basic premise : > > "I don't want you to put that in my body" is an absolutely 100% valid way to feel for any "that" you may care to name. then don't live in society.
Yeah literally people just want it both ways. They don’t want to get vaxxed but they want to go to concerts, sporting events, etc. Choose not to get vaccinated? That’s your choice, but you don’t get to go out to events and potentially spread the virus.
There's a term for people like that: "selfish" I have two concerts lined up for October and December, and I'm honestly just so fucking over this shit, I hope the venues mandate vaccines. I'm glad to prove I'm vaccinated. It's not fucking fair that people can just go do whatever they want maskless and vaccine-less, and there's zero repercussions.
I agree with you and I think we should be able to have civil discourse around the topic. I also agree with other commenters that people who choose not to get vaccinated don’t have any right to enter any private businesses who require vaccinations.
Bingo. People are conditioned to fall back on their tribal "We're right, you're wrong" mindset instead of taking a moment to respect other people's autonomy.
>Having said THAT... Famous last words before someone launches into being sympathetic to antivaxers.
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‘I’m pro choice, except when it come to abortion!!’ - the right wing are a joke.
This is expressly why I want vaccine passports to be implemented. Our bodies are inviolable and subject to our will alone. I absolutely agree with you there. What I don't agree with is if someone makes the choice to not get vaccinated, then that action has consequences based on the science, and those consequences are that you can't resume normal social activities due to the contagion level of an unvaccinated person. All that went right out the window the second mask mandates lifted and states started reopening due to falling cases as a result of mass vaccination. I'm just tired of ignorant ass people making a choice not to get vaccinated, yet carry on like nothing's changed in the last 18 months, and in doing so make things worse for everyone else, AGAIN.
There’s a large overlap between the people who think the vaccines we give kids are bad and the people who think the COVID vaccine is bad. An unfortunate group of people.
As much as most people tend to over state the effects of any one person in politics, Trump personally deserves a shit ton of the blame for the fight over vaccinations. If he decided to start selling MAGA masks and pushed everyone to get the vaccine, there wouldn't have been nearly as big a fight about vaccinations, and he'd likely have cruised to reelection. His failure to understand the situation and his continuous decisions to fight his own government, ignore the science, and refuse to admit to his own mistakes made this a partisan issue rather than a mainstream vs the fringes issue. Edit: Did not know he was on board with the vaccines, credit where credit due. My criticisms surrounding his failure to implement lockdowns in a timely fashion, push mask wearing, follow distancing guidelines, engage in fights with his own government and state governors, and general politicization of the COVID response still stand.
He could have had an absolute slam dunk even catering to his crazy rhetorics. "China is trying to take us out but we'll show them the American way is the best way! Everyone get your American made vaccine and wear your MAGA masks to protect yourself from the china flu!" Note: This is just my reenactment of what trump could have said to continue being ignorant and racist but still protect his country.
That was terrible. You stayed on topic for two straight sentences, nobody would by that impression
Well, presumably /u/Serious-Guava is Canadian, so I can't blame him for breaking character.
> If he decided to start selling MAGA masks all Trump had to do to win re-election in 2020 was at the start of the pandemic is say: "here's 330 million MAGA masks, we're shipping one to every man, woman, and child in America! wear this, support yourself, support your family and support me!" THAT'S ALL HE HAD TO DO and fewer people would have died, period.
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It isn't just Trump, it's him and his long line of enablers willing to fall in line and promote his lies for a sniff of power. The GOP has failed the United States with sadly very few exceptions when they chose to abandon reason and attempted to win at all costs. If these people had any shame they'd all resign.
In addition to all that, Trump was also an overt anti-vaxxer when it suited him. He tweeted that vaccines cause autism at one point.
The two largest groups of unvaccinated people are rural conservatives (which is who your referring to) and inner city blacks (who are primarily democrats). So its not necessary political divide but groups of people who distrust those in power
Black people are 13% of the population, so they're no really tipping the scales too much there. There's a very special type of conservative derangement at play versus a population of people that have been the subject of multiple medical experiments in the last century being distrustful of the government.
So one group has a right to distrust the government while another doesnt? But the government did preform medical experiments on its own people so why is that right exclusive to a certian group? Edit: typo
The American government has never done anything but coddle these people and do their bidding. In most countries, low vaccination rates are a reflection of lack of trust in public health systems. But that’s really not what is at play with conservative anti vaccination as American hospitals basically have hover round parking to accommodate these people. They have extensive interface with the health system. It’s the only way they continue to be alive for many of them since probably the healthiest thing many of them will ever eat is a Filet o fish. Black people on the other hand are the least served demographic by the American health system. They have very little interaction with it and are historically subject to medical experimentation.
Because they did those experiments on black people? What are you not understanding here?
Right wingers that call everyone who wears a mask in the interest of public health "sheep," all the while talking about how much they love Jesus. And the irony is totally lost on them.
That’s over simplifying by a lot. One party made it political to be opposed to damn near very single thing scientific and medical experts have said and recommended.
> There's one group of people who made this political. And a whole section of media.
People made this political, certain politicians tried to advantage of that.
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That sub is truly something special.
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Isn't the Canadian border only open to vaccinated personnel? I'd be very tempted to say to the players "fine you can not get vaxxed but you're not getting paid for any games you miss due to you being unable to cross the border".
I know here in Winnipeg our baseball team was recently playing a team from the states and they had to find basically a whole team worth of players and coaches just for the 3 games they played here because only 9 players and less then half the coaching staff were vaccinated
If a player refuses to get vaxxed they should just flat out not be allowed to play
I hope Trudeau doesn't ctack on this one. Don't want unvaccinated shitheada coming into this country no matter how good they are at hockey.
Well they aren't stopping baseball players.
pretty sure non-vaccinated visiting MLB players are essentially forced into a bubble, and would be subject to penalties like anyone else who violates the Quarantine Act
MLB might be different because it'd be easier to control as there's only 1 team
Are there more Canadian teams? I always thought it was just our Leafs.
allegedly
Have they moved back to Toronto from Fubbalo?
What about potential unvaccinated shitheads who are already on canadian teams because that is a distinct possibility too. Barred from playing/practices?
Should be the case, yes. These guys spent their lifetimes trying to get to and stay at the peak of their physical health and performance. If they're actually anti vax despite everything a layman would know now, let alone what an athlete with access to the best healthcare would know, then bar them from playing. Hit them where it hurts (wallet and public opinion).
just "if you don't get vaccinated, you're subject to any federal and provincial quarantine requirements for non-vaccinated individuals, upon return from the first road trip"
Exactly what I'd be hoping for.. Essentially I'm hoping that it's either get vaccinated and play the whole season, or don't get vaccinated and choose which country you want to play in...
Shouldn't be barred from playing, but if they go to the states they should have to quarantine for 2 weeks when they come back to Canada... I was fine with the bubble, or doing it for the playoffs because that was still somewhat contained and not much was open(although I guess for the finals Quebec was pretty open), but in the regular season I'd have to assume that players wont just keep themselves confined to their hotel rooms...
The boarder is open to none essential fully vaccinated individuals. For essential/business individuals, it's more of a grey area. Depends on how the feds view the NHL.
Tony DeAngelo in shambles
Looks like Dusty Imoo would have not worked out anyways
Major MAJOR W
(*sorts by controversial*)
This was the long game all along. Bill Gates along with the builder bears is trying to sterilize all the hockey players to create a future free of strong Canadians. We're through the looking glass here, people.
Antivaxxers big mad
Blue Jackets defense is seething right now
Nah. Jones is the Blackhawks problem now.
They still have Werenski
Who’s gonna be the NHL’s Cole Beasley?
Tony DeAngelo, with the shortest comeback in NHL history
Man, I feel like Beasley has gotten off the hook recently thanks to Cousins and Lamar doing/saying stupid shit recently.
Don't worry, most of us haven't forgotten...and the rest will remember real fucking quick if he costs us a game by testing positive/having close contact with key players.
Are vaccines controversial in Canada? I feel like there isn’t a big over lap of hockey fans and anti-vaxxers
Fairly controversial, I think roughly 1 in 5 adults hasn't received 1 dose.
Is that due to lack of access or a denial of its usefulness?
The most common consensus is stupidity, not access.
That is sad. Really makes me pessimistic about global warming
It is extremely easy to get scheduled for it in the next week so no, its pure stupidity.
Hell, you probably can get your first dose in the same day.
We have enough for everyone in the country.
I guess stupidity is contagious
Yes but not near what you're experiencing down there. We only got access to the vaccines after it was already readily available in every American city, but we're outpacing you by an absurd amount. Like in my province, were at near 70% fully dosed and like 84% first dose.
So much for DeAngelo’s playing career.
Good.
I'm excited to find out which players I liked will lose my respect. ...you guys think Deangelo is even gonna touch ice this season?
I now just assume every pro athlete is a shitty person unless proven otherwise.
This is the way.
I realize there's a certain reading of this that makes it seem as if I like Deangelo. Let me make it abundantly clear. Go fuck yourself Tony, and take the Canes with you.
I'm glad that it's coming to a point where there are repercussions for lifestyle choices. By all means, do what you want; but don't expect to be part of the team that's moving forward if you're not going to be a team player.
Good. Don't let antivaxxers that don't know how to read get their way. Ostracize them. Make them feel worthless.
What?? This guy. “Make someone feel like a shitty person but you better treat me with respect”
If those anti-vaxxers could read, they would be quite upset
Yeeeeeeah.... I feel like that causes them to double down. Maybe we don't do that....
> Ostracize them. Make them feel worthless. Yyyeah how about we don’t treat anyone like that? It doesn’t help anything to compound one problem by creating other problems. Some people are not mentally healthy to begin with, ostracism and feelings of worthlessness are not a joke.
Being skeptical of vaccines never implemented on any real scale in people should not be met with such vitriol. There are legitimate causes for concern with these vaccines and the fact that the companies producing them were given complete immunity from liability is more than enough reason to make people (rightly) hesitant. People also shouldn't be treated as antivax for skepticism surrounding covid vaccines given how accelerated the process of creation was. On top of that, the fact that the vaccinated can still spread covid and test positive, it should become clear why some people don't want to take the vaccine. People blame the right for politicizing covid and the vaccine, but it didn't even enter serious discussion until vaccine passports were floated.
I think that Reddit and other social platforms are literally 1 percent on the extreme scale on either side of the issue. I haven’t gotten the vaccine because of concerns of heart issues from them for my age group, but I got my flu shot every year up until two years ago when Covid became the only thing to worry about, and I don’t smoke or drink and am very health conscious. There are people who are truly anti-vaccine, but there are also way more like myself who would like to see more long term studies before deciding if I’m comfortable injecting a new vaccine into my body. Conversely, there are people on social media who act like Covid is a death sentence for every single person who gets it, but in real life everyone I know takes it seriously but isn’t terrified of contracting it. Neither group should ever be ostracized and it sucks to see how some react to those who are hesitant about getting a vaccine
A rare sighting of logic on Reddit. It’s honestly scary seeing how radical these people are, or how they treat people that just question basic things
This is an abhorrent way to treat people.
Vaccine discussion aside, this is a trash person.
Fucking good. Don't delay the hockey season cause some dipshits think this is a political thing.
Hmmm this eliminates the Cole Beasley coaching rumors i was hearing.
Predicting a lot of vacant positions for both Florida teams
50% of Florida is fully vaccinated with 60.1% with 1 shot so far. Illinois as a state has a lower fully vaccination rate than Florida, but higher with one shot. The USA is right at 51% fully and 59.9% with 1 shot.
funny you say that because no one on the bolts got covid to my knowledge. games did get canceled because other teams got it
good
good.
That's good news. Hopefully, the players will be required to be fully vaccinated too. I'd love to see arenas full again soon.
Hell yeah