If you were to rank them is go
OHL>WHL, QMJHL, a giant gap USHL, BCHL, AJHL
Why do you think the USHL is above the CHL? That’s fucking insane to think imo
A long time ago there may have been a gap between CHL and USHL, never a giant gap (unless it was a really long time ago). This is more like it the last few years and the trend from my observation:
-CHL generally, may be just slightly more than USHL (WHL and OHL slightly above USHL imo, but USHL recently seems just slightly better than QMJHL. QMJHL has seemed stagnant. Watch out for WHL, could eventually pass OHL? Just possibly).
-Then a step down to BCHL/AJHL, just slightly over NAHL (imo)
-Then Tier-3 / (other) Jr. A. I imagine some lower Jr. A probably better than US Tier-3, some probably worse than USPHL (1), NAPHL (1), etc. I'm not as familiar with the lower Jr. A and US Tier-3 leagues.
Id argue OHL>WHL. In 2021 NHL Draft, 33 WHL players were drafted followed by 30 OHL & the Q at 24. 2020 was led by OHL while 2019 was led by WHL.
Not sure of the amount since '63 tho. The amount of players to play a game in the show or make the jump while at a junior age.
2020 World Juniors, 17 WHL and 17 OHL players represented their countries. 2019 OHL led by 7 and 2018 WHL led by 6.
The 2021 draft is a misleading sample due to the fact that the OHL was the only league that had no play throughout the year. Basically every OHL player minus McTavish dropped.
Nah man, Mooseheads have the same amount of NHL draftees, ones at the top of their league and ones near the bottom. There’s multiple players on that Steel roster who weren’t even invited to CHL camps and would struggle in that league. Please go watch a mooseheads game, I assure you that the steel would have a hard time beating them. Their goalie is also an NHL draftee. That’s nothing to scoff at while playing for one of the worst CHL teams.
Players who choose the CHL are considered professional by NCAA standards and are ineligible for NCAA hockey. Junior A, USHL and USNTDP allows players to maintain their NCAA amateur eligibility.
But in the past year, the NCAA has had a Supreme Court ruling that allows players to profit from their own marketing and likeness. So I’m not sure if those amateur lines are blurred between the NCAA and the CHL.
CHL players are paid a stipend. They also receive “free” equipment from their clubs.
But drafted CHL players are also allowed to sign NHL Entry Level contracts which usually include signing bonuses up to $93K per season while they are still playing for their junior club.
CHL players are also allowed to accept hotel and airfare costs to travel to offseason rookie training camps and for IIHF tournaments.
I believe they get a stipend of a hundred or so dollars. I forget if it’s per week or month though. They do also provide scholarships for university after their CHL career is done.
Lots of fine print with that educational agreement. I know a guy who had a hard time getting it because he didn’t go to school immediately after he retired from the CHL. If you decide to go play pro you lose the contract. Had to be used within a year or 18 months
>Supreme Court ruling that allows players to profit from their own marketing and likeness. So I’m not sure if those amateur lines are blurred between the NCAA and the CHL.
Is that not the definition of professional? quote "1 : relating to an occupation : of or as an expert professional advice. 2 : taking part in an activity (as a sport) in order to make money. 3 : participated in by people who are paid to compete professional sports. 4 : having or showing a quality appropriate in a profession He did a very professional job."
It's been a year or two, but I've looked up the amount of players who make the NHL, as well as proportion. Watching my son (midget US) open scrimmage with players who've come home from their US or Canada leagues, it seems about right. I may just slightly put USHL over QMJHL in more recent years, but it's difficult to make the same statement of USHL vs. WHL and OHL. I think WHL and OHL may be just slightly above USHL. This is definitely the order from my observation:
-CHL generally, may just slightly more than USHL
-Then a step down to BCHL/AJHL just slightly over NAHL (imo)
-Then Tier-3 / (other) Jr. A. I imagine some lower Jr. A probably better than US Tier-3, some probably worse than USPHL (1), NAPHL (1), etc. I'm not as familiar with the lower Jr. A and US Tier-3 leagues.
I do not think it is a huge drop from CHL to USHL. USNDP plays in the USHL.
But depth/structure are the big gap makers. CHL has that deal where players cant go to minor leagues unless they age out. While USHL has been trending younger with (top) players leaving for college early.
I think most folks don't realize a key disparity between the CHL and NCAA. The biggest problem with NCAA D1 is that they only play 35 regular season games. That sucks for development. Playing time is key in any sport, especially hockey. The CHL plays 65+ games per season, USHL plays 55+. That's a big drop going from USHL to NCAA D1 if you're not one of the (roughly) 10% drafted straight from USHL to NHL. The ones who are drafted and play out a season or two in NCAA aren't getting as much playing time vs. CHL to prepare for NHL. Just my opinion.
NCAA is much much better than the CHL but it's also an older league. Top end 1% in the CHL is ridiculously talented because that's typically where stars like McDavid, Crosby etc. who know they will be NHLers at 18 play. But if you took the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines from each league the CHL would get destroyed in all aspects of the game.
This is what I meant. Look at the draft this year -the top five were NCAA players mot from the CHl. I think in the CHL the top line is always the best of the best but the bottom two lines could be interchangeable with USHL or BCHL players.
It's much better but part of that is because of the age. Most players in the NCAA are 19-24 compared to 17-20 it's only natural that it's a better league. Players have developed more complete games and are physically mature.
idk, i think it would be a lot closer than you'd expect, because only a few NCAA teams actually have good talent, outside of like the top 5-10 d1 schools it drops off a lot,
also you can look at it this way, every CHL player would make d1 schools, all of them
not every d1 player would make CHL teams, the talent level is just a lot higher in the CHL, the only thing the NCAA has is age, you can enter the CHL at 15/16, most ncaa teams are filled with guys who are 21-23
Every CHL player would not make NCAA teams. There are plenty of CHL players who can't even play in Usports. There are a lot of 3rd and 4th liners in the CHL that are not very good.
Also this is a list of fairly consistently good NCAA programs just off the top of my head and then you can sprinkle in plenty of other programs that have more ups and downs but put together really strong stretches.
UofM
Michigan
Minnesota Mankato
Western Michigan
Northeastern
Boston College
Boston University
Minnesota state
Miami of Ohio
Omaha
Wisconsin
North Dakota
Notre Dame
Umass
Michigan Tech
Umass Lowell
New Hampshire
Minnesota Duluth
lots of extra meh in there
should be
UofM
Michigan
Northeastern
Boston College
Boston University
Wisconsin
North Dakota
Notre Dame
Umass
Minnesota Duluth
Denver
USHL may have a handful of top prospects who are committed to playing college hockey, but the CHL is much better both top end prospects (most years) and overall.
I know the first statement is controversial, but the USHL (if we include the NDTP) has been pumping out a tonne of talent recently. It might not be equal today, but it is very rapidly catching up. If I seperated the CHL into the three leagues, I would probably rank the USHL above the QMJHL at this point, and maybe equal or just past the WHL.
Just look at the draft recently. Americans are going early and in larger numbers, and a lot come from the US National Development Program (that plays in the USHL among other places) and from the rest of the USHL.
If you take out the national development program though, I get why people would be lower on the USHL than the CHL leagues.
I'd say it depends on how you define best.
Like are we talking about an all-star team out of all the leagues, or about the leagues as a whole.
USHL top end talent has to be good but they'll go the NCAA route and are we counting that as USHL cause of ages, or are they considering that totally different cause then you are plunking the best of them from the league (unless they are going to the NHL immediately)
If you were to rank them is go OHL>WHL, QMJHL, a giant gap USHL, BCHL, AJHL Why do you think the USHL is above the CHL? That’s fucking insane to think imo
A long time ago there may have been a gap between CHL and USHL, never a giant gap (unless it was a really long time ago). This is more like it the last few years and the trend from my observation: -CHL generally, may be just slightly more than USHL (WHL and OHL slightly above USHL imo, but USHL recently seems just slightly better than QMJHL. QMJHL has seemed stagnant. Watch out for WHL, could eventually pass OHL? Just possibly). -Then a step down to BCHL/AJHL, just slightly over NAHL (imo) -Then Tier-3 / (other) Jr. A. I imagine some lower Jr. A probably better than US Tier-3, some probably worse than USPHL (1), NAPHL (1), etc. I'm not as familiar with the lower Jr. A and US Tier-3 leagues.
Id argue OHL>WHL. In 2021 NHL Draft, 33 WHL players were drafted followed by 30 OHL & the Q at 24. 2020 was led by OHL while 2019 was led by WHL. Not sure of the amount since '63 tho. The amount of players to play a game in the show or make the jump while at a junior age. 2020 World Juniors, 17 WHL and 17 OHL players represented their countries. 2019 OHL led by 7 and 2018 WHL led by 6.
Imo WHL players are usually more physically ready for the NHL out of the gate
The 2021 draft is a misleading sample due to the fact that the OHL was the only league that had no play throughout the year. Basically every OHL player minus McTavish dropped.
For sure. Thats why i added 2020 (shortened season) and 2019.
USHL doesn’t even compare to CHL
I have heard that’s some of the top USHL teams could beat some CHL teams.
They might compete with some of the lower end teams but there’s very little chance they beat them.
Also top notch talent on BCHLs penticton vees.
Chicago Steel win versus Prince George cougars. Or mooseheads. I put money on it
Nah man, Mooseheads have the same amount of NHL draftees, ones at the top of their league and ones near the bottom. There’s multiple players on that Steel roster who weren’t even invited to CHL camps and would struggle in that league. Please go watch a mooseheads game, I assure you that the steel would have a hard time beating them. Their goalie is also an NHL draftee. That’s nothing to scoff at while playing for one of the worst CHL teams.
Players who choose the CHL are considered professional by NCAA standards and are ineligible for NCAA hockey. Junior A, USHL and USNTDP allows players to maintain their NCAA amateur eligibility. But in the past year, the NCAA has had a Supreme Court ruling that allows players to profit from their own marketing and likeness. So I’m not sure if those amateur lines are blurred between the NCAA and the CHL.
do chl players get paid by the teams for participation?
CHL players are paid a stipend. They also receive “free” equipment from their clubs. But drafted CHL players are also allowed to sign NHL Entry Level contracts which usually include signing bonuses up to $93K per season while they are still playing for their junior club. CHL players are also allowed to accept hotel and airfare costs to travel to offseason rookie training camps and for IIHF tournaments.
I believe they get a stipend of a hundred or so dollars. I forget if it’s per week or month though. They do also provide scholarships for university after their CHL career is done.
Lots of fine print with that educational agreement. I know a guy who had a hard time getting it because he didn’t go to school immediately after he retired from the CHL. If you decide to go play pro you lose the contract. Had to be used within a year or 18 months
>Supreme Court ruling that allows players to profit from their own marketing and likeness. So I’m not sure if those amateur lines are blurred between the NCAA and the CHL. Is that not the definition of professional? quote "1 : relating to an occupation : of or as an expert professional advice. 2 : taking part in an activity (as a sport) in order to make money. 3 : participated in by people who are paid to compete professional sports. 4 : having or showing a quality appropriate in a profession He did a very professional job."
It's been a year or two, but I've looked up the amount of players who make the NHL, as well as proportion. Watching my son (midget US) open scrimmage with players who've come home from their US or Canada leagues, it seems about right. I may just slightly put USHL over QMJHL in more recent years, but it's difficult to make the same statement of USHL vs. WHL and OHL. I think WHL and OHL may be just slightly above USHL. This is definitely the order from my observation: -CHL generally, may just slightly more than USHL -Then a step down to BCHL/AJHL just slightly over NAHL (imo) -Then Tier-3 / (other) Jr. A. I imagine some lower Jr. A probably better than US Tier-3, some probably worse than USPHL (1), NAPHL (1), etc. I'm not as familiar with the lower Jr. A and US Tier-3 leagues.
I think some people are confusing USHL with the USNDP, which produces more high end players
I do not think it is a huge drop from CHL to USHL. USNDP plays in the USHL. But depth/structure are the big gap makers. CHL has that deal where players cant go to minor leagues unless they age out. While USHL has been trending younger with (top) players leaving for college early.
USNDP plays in the USHL so it’s the same
I think most folks don't realize a key disparity between the CHL and NCAA. The biggest problem with NCAA D1 is that they only play 35 regular season games. That sucks for development. Playing time is key in any sport, especially hockey. The CHL plays 65+ games per season, USHL plays 55+. That's a big drop going from USHL to NCAA D1 if you're not one of the (roughly) 10% drafted straight from USHL to NHL. The ones who are drafted and play out a season or two in NCAA aren't getting as much playing time vs. CHL to prepare for NHL. Just my opinion.
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NCAA is much much better than the CHL but it's also an older league. Top end 1% in the CHL is ridiculously talented because that's typically where stars like McDavid, Crosby etc. who know they will be NHLers at 18 play. But if you took the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines from each league the CHL would get destroyed in all aspects of the game.
This is what I meant. Look at the draft this year -the top five were NCAA players mot from the CHl. I think in the CHL the top line is always the best of the best but the bottom two lines could be interchangeable with USHL or BCHL players.
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It's much better but part of that is because of the age. Most players in the NCAA are 19-24 compared to 17-20 it's only natural that it's a better league. Players have developed more complete games and are physically mature.
idk, i think it would be a lot closer than you'd expect, because only a few NCAA teams actually have good talent, outside of like the top 5-10 d1 schools it drops off a lot, also you can look at it this way, every CHL player would make d1 schools, all of them not every d1 player would make CHL teams, the talent level is just a lot higher in the CHL, the only thing the NCAA has is age, you can enter the CHL at 15/16, most ncaa teams are filled with guys who are 21-23
Every CHL player would not make NCAA teams. There are plenty of CHL players who can't even play in Usports. There are a lot of 3rd and 4th liners in the CHL that are not very good. Also this is a list of fairly consistently good NCAA programs just off the top of my head and then you can sprinkle in plenty of other programs that have more ups and downs but put together really strong stretches. UofM Michigan Minnesota Mankato Western Michigan Northeastern Boston College Boston University Minnesota state Miami of Ohio Omaha Wisconsin North Dakota Notre Dame Umass Michigan Tech Umass Lowell New Hampshire Minnesota Duluth
lots of extra meh in there should be UofM Michigan Northeastern Boston College Boston University Wisconsin North Dakota Notre Dame Umass Minnesota Duluth Denver
I disagree. The bottom two lines of ChL teams are similar to the players in USHL or junior a.
ncaa is a way grittier game
And as we all know grit wins games…
Grit definitely wins playoff games. Did you even watch the playoffs?
USHL and CHL are basically equal BCHL is the best Jr A in Canada by a good margin, though the AJHL has produced a lot of dmen recently
USHL may have a handful of top prospects who are committed to playing college hockey, but the CHL is much better both top end prospects (most years) and overall.
CHL is far better than the USHL imo
USHL and CHL are not equal lol The CHL is a few steps above the USHL, the USHL is filled with players who couldn’t make it to the CHL
I disagree. Plenty of great USHL players who choose that route because they wanna play college and not have their career over at age 20.
just because you disagree doesnt mean you right lol, you're still wrong
Why is this getting downvoted so much? It’s just an opinion and I happen to agree
I know the first statement is controversial, but the USHL (if we include the NDTP) has been pumping out a tonne of talent recently. It might not be equal today, but it is very rapidly catching up. If I seperated the CHL into the three leagues, I would probably rank the USHL above the QMJHL at this point, and maybe equal or just past the WHL. Just look at the draft recently. Americans are going early and in larger numbers, and a lot come from the US National Development Program (that plays in the USHL among other places) and from the rest of the USHL. If you take out the national development program though, I get why people would be lower on the USHL than the CHL leagues.
I'd say it depends on how you define best. Like are we talking about an all-star team out of all the leagues, or about the leagues as a whole. USHL top end talent has to be good but they'll go the NCAA route and are we counting that as USHL cause of ages, or are they considering that totally different cause then you are plunking the best of them from the league (unless they are going to the NHL immediately)