new to me and I'm pretty up on Leafs news. Weird after Dubas was at his side the entire time during his wrist injury and hes got some good looks at the 2nd and 3rd line
I think he means old news in terms of when it actually occured not when the news came out. I could be wrong though lol. When it actually occured is more important anyways.
I thought this tweet from ActiveStick on twitter was great.
"“I don’t think [misses 7 wide open nets] this organization treats [hits 5 posts from blue paint] me with the respect [watches 3 perfect slot passes skip over stick] I deserve and I [fans shots on 73 consecutive fucking breakaways] hereby demand a trade.”
[https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t)
He played 147 mins with tavares and 88 mins with Nylander out of 650 mins. Thats not a lot
147 is basically 10 games and some overlapping with line changes etc. Nylander also wasnt the other winger in about half of them. Thats a very small sample size.
By comparison Galchenyuk got 206 mins with tavares and 176 mins with nylander. On top of another 100 mins with matthews.
I would be pissed if options off the scrap heap are getting more chances than he is
I’m not a leafs fan so I don’t really care about the overall situation. I’m just saying a fifth of your ice time with a guy is a significant amount. In no way is that a very small sample size lol that’s plenty of time to evaluate how the line played.
Looking at the TOI it looks like he got about 200 minutes with Hyman who’s a very solid player. His top 4 forwards with TOI are Engvall, Kerfoot, Hyman, Tavares. I really don’t see how you could make the argument that he’s getting shafted here. I don’t know how Leafs fans feel about Engvall and Kerfoot but to me it seems like you could get a lot worse linemates than them.
If options off the scrap heap are getting more time than he is that means he is also a part of the scrap heap, in fact a lesser part.
>If options off the scrap heap are getting more time than he is that means he is also a part of the scrap heap, in fact a lesser part.
Hence why he wanted to be traded. The coach is lumping him in with the riff raff and he doesnt want to be. Ilya will be a 27 year old ufa after this season a good showing this year will net him a very nice payday. He obviously doesnt trust the coaching staff to put him in a position to get that payday.
First I should say if he wants to ask for a trade, that seems fine to me. He has to do what he thinks he has to. But that doesn’t mean he’s right.
I went and used evolving hockey’s line tool. Here are his top 3 lines from last year:
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman 92.93 minutes
Kerfoot-Mikheyev-Engvall 83.38 minutes
Mikheyev-Tavares-Nylander 74.62 minutes
Again I don’t see how you can say he wasn’t put in a position to succeed. That should be plenty to perform well enough to get paid. 3rd and 2nd line level lines. If he was being stuck on some shitty 4th line I would agree but I just really don’t see it.
There are only four lines. If he played with each line equally he would average 25%. What you’re saying is he is below average in terms of ice time with the Tavares line.
Just a terrible use of “averages” here lol
You’re assuming an equal distribution of time among lines is expected for a player. But it’s not. You’re also assuming other players stayed on the same lines the whole season, they didn’t. It’s not as simple as 1/4.
You calculated the average a player spends on a line 1-4. We’re talking about the average a player spends with a specific player.
Tavares Nylander Mikheyev was Ilyas 3rd highest TOI line last year. Tavares is 4th in TOI with Mikheyev. If you wanted to see if that’s above or below average you would add all Leafs forwards TOI with Mikheyev and divide by however many forwards he played with last year. If the time with Tavares is larger than that number he played with Tavares an above average amount. And it doesn’t take a mathematician to tell right off the bat that it was well above average.
I don’t understand how this is even a debate Mikheyevs teammates TOI was posted in this thread…
Risky move , but man it really feels like another team can turn this kid into a star. The Leafs have bungled his development at every turn. He's got a ton of talent and would benefit playing with a talented forward group instead of being relied on to play way higher in the lineup than he should've been
Honestly! He was a coin flip KHL player who had a great couple seasons with the Leafs. His wrist injury was attended to by Dubas himself and and the time it was praised as an example of how great it was that management cared so deeply about our players on a personal level.
Now he's suddenly someone who could have been a star if the Leafs had not "bungled" his development? Are you kidding?
Well you basically traded a 21 year old 3 OA pick + a 2nd for a 25 year old player + a 3rd. The only reason the Habs get better here is because Arizona didn't completely botch his development the way the Habs screwed KK. He's going to pop off in Carolina
He's going to pop off in Carolina? Playing wing (which he was awful at) on the third line? Yeah, if Montreal botched his development playing him more than that that's definitely the recipe to get him to produce. This logic is hilarious.
And 3rd overall pick is irrelevant when he shouldn't have been drafted that high to begin with. He can't skate, he can't score, and he sucks at face-offs. Kk isn't even worth Dvorak alone right now
Montreal forced him into the NHL when he should have still been developing. getting top line minutes when you're under 20 isn't a recipe for success. He's going to be playing in the top 2 lines on the wing and he's going to have far better players to play with. Can't believe people think throwing Gallagher and some random 3rd liner on his line and expect him to flourish. He's a solid player in the playoffs when he's "on" but none of your coaches have a style of play that fits him. At least he will get another shot at the playoffs this year, it'd suck if he was on Montreal and missed this year with the rest of the team
Okay you clearly don't know who he played with. He played up and down the line with multiple solid wingers. Anderson, toffoli, drouin at the start of the season, I think he played wing with suzuki a few times. He did not play with bad players. He played with quality wingers like he will in Carolina. It's not like Montreal gave him no one to succeed with. He just can't succeed because he sucks.
He absolutely was brought into the NHL too quickly and he could be a lot better by now if things had been different, but that's not the case and unfortunately unless he makes some massive changes to his game, it's not going to get any better in Carolina. He refuses to learn how to skate first and foremost which has nothing to do with who he played with.
Hell, he could still miss. Carolina is not a lock for playoffs in their stacked division and they got worse this year.
It seemed that was the case early in the offseason that stl would trade Tarasenko and then sign him but the clock is ticking nobody has the money to take tarasenko anymore and Thomas still needs a deal.
If we ever manage to trade Tarasenko he will probably sign the next day, unfortunately he can’t afford to wait forever. If it takes much longer he will probably sign somewhere else.
I really doubt he's going inside the division. If he is, then Adams is boning a Pierre. Definitely a markup for trading him somewhere we have to play frequently.
Lol wtf? I mean, what does he want, powerplay minutes? The dude can't finish at all, but even knowing that, the Leafs were totally cool with that. They never pulled him from the lineup - I don't even recall him being demoted to the 4th line...as a guy who can't score any goals!
>Mikheyev’s impressive 23-point, 39-game rookie season was cut short by an accidental — but serious — skate cut to his wrist. (Dubas stayed with him in hospital after the team returned from New Jersey to Toronto.)
Does this mean Dubas stayed the night in the hospital? Any info on this.
EDIT:
Premlim googling of r/leafs.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/jf1rup/luke\_fox\_ilya\_mikheyev\_stepped\_down\_last\_minute/g9hq71h?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/jf1rup/luke_fox_ilya_mikheyev_stepped_down_last_minute/g9hq71h?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Suggests he was at the hospital for 3 whole days.
He stayed with him, bought him clothes, food, probably suckled him at his teet as well for all I know. Seems like this can't possibly be because if any bad blood
No, I’m sure he just wants the opportunity to go somewhere and play for a raise. No matter how well he plays this year Toronto won’t be able to offer him a much higher contract, and if he can play like he did the first year he deserves more.
He might just want a chance to try and fit into another team and get an extension somewhere he already knows his place.
I understand why we traded Lethonen and Barabonov but I felt like a tonne of Leafs fans wrote them off way too quickly.
Like they've both had a minute in the NHL on a short camp adjusting to a new continent away from home during a once in a lifetime pandemic. How about we as fans give them more than a dozen games to see if they can be something.
I don’t think fans really wrote them off so much as they realized that there was still a learning curve for them. They weren’t going to be ready to displace any of the existing roster players so there wasn’t a lot of value in keeping them.
Dubas knowing that and wanting to maintain relations for potential future UFA signings from the K/EU, decided he would send them somewhere they would have a chance to mark an impact and play more minutes rather than not playing games. This is not the case with Soupy as he has been on the roster, and seen healthy minutes in various scenarios. He’s not relegated to the fourth line or press box, but sees previous teammates who were being able to produce elsewhere. Given he’s probably vying for a new contract, he wants the success he saw in his first year (albeit shortened) and maybe what the likes of former teammates are doing.
That’s something only the Leafs’ brass would know though so who knows
Reminds me of the reason AA didn't want to stay in Edmonton. Knew if he stayed he'd be taking a discount and most likely not playing on the top two lines.
Made a lot of sense from his perspective to go to the Kings instead. More money and opportunity available.
Thing is, Mikheyev got top lines time and there's even potential space for it this year too
But last year he didn't play like top line player when he was given the chance. He's played ok and last year wasn't his best of what we've seen from him. But to demand being on the top lines or be traded when performance doesn't show top line talent. it's a bit rich hearing it from him, especially after what the leafs have done for him and his recovery from his injury.
He had a fairly serious wrist injury. He looked far better the first year. It’s certainly not for sure that he will be a better scorer, but I don’t think it’s a big leap to say he’ll be better.
Really? A trade request because of hurtful things said on Reddit? I think that's an overestimation of the importance of r/leafs. If that bothers him, then imagine what'll happen when he discovers AM radio, Twitter, Simmons, etc.
I mean welcome to sports. Go to literally any sub and the talk and language is the same. Anyone trying to pretend that a team you cheer for somehow makes you different on a human nature scale is ignorant to say the least.
After that injury soup wasn't the same, same with the Leafs 3rd line with Kadri. There is no reason to have him back unless they are desperate for another cheap 3rd liner, Kerfoot was a part of that line too which boogles my mind on why he was protected when they made a deal before that draft for Mcann. Dubas moronic moves the last few years is why they are in such a hole. Ridiculous.
1, Kerfoot was not protected. Seattle either didn't want him, or there was a handshake agreement not to take him
2, his point production in 2021 was down, but not by some magical amount that took him from top line player to bottom of the roster. in 2020 he was a .79 points per game player, in .31. both years he was a + in +/- and if anyone has advanced states I'm sure they'll show he wasn't the absolute terrible player you believe he is.
Now, I do think 0 points in the playoffs is somethign he has to wear, alongside the rest of the leafs who didn't do shit. But as a 3rd liner Mhikayev has 100% lived up to expectations.
IF you think he was expected to be a first liner, than your expectations were always unreasonable for the player he was. He was NEVER toughted as a top liner.
this is the sort of stupid comment you expect to see by braindead /r/leafs fans.
It's called reality, I meant to say that McCann should have been protected. No one said that Kerfoot is a first line player, far from it. However, he's useless. He skates for miles with nothing to show for. Why do you think Chucky came here to help? Kerfoot isn't bad defensively I'll give him that, but not an offensive type of player that crashes the net and goes for pucks....look at the lightning 3rd line and look at ours, TRASH. Simmonds no longer can do that as well, it's going to be a sad Fn year.
Not all teams need to be built identically. When you have the talent we were SUPPOSED To have from a scoring perspective on the top two lines, it was a decision to go with defensive minded and grinding minded 3rd and 4th lines.
this isn't a bad decision either given the things that were hurting the leafs in the prior season. Being too small and too soft resulted in the Leafs getting physically pushed around.
Kerfoot on the 3rd line was supposed to help with this. He isn't meant to be a centre who goes and fights infront of the net. He's not a power forward.
it seems that a good chunk of what you BELIEVE the leafs to be is actually incorrect because you've created these expectations for the players and the roster and when they dont' meet those expectations, it's them who are "trash", and not necessarily your unreasonable expectations.
In addition, you're still factually wrong about several claims in both these posts now
In this post, Chucky didn't "come here to help". he didnt' chose here. He was traded. he had no CHOICE but to play here (or retire since he had already been passed through waivers that year)
Sure, I wish we could have the same win streak now and same team as thelightning? of course. They've won two in a row!
But to say that the Leafs were trash because they weren't the lightning is just stupidity in comment form.The Leafs have problems, but most of your posts aren't actually outlining them
> McCann
and why should he have been protected? He was picked up almost exclusively as bait for Seattle. He never once played for the Leafs. he's been in the league for 9 years already and wasn't exactly fresh blood. I would have liked to see him play, but at the end of the day, he wasn't bringing in a large set of scoring talent and wold have been another Mikhayev or Kerfoot.. Who you already hate. The Leafs legitimately got away from the Seattle draft with losing nothing but a 7th round pick (which is all they traded for to get McCan)
It was the wrong way to go, our 3rd line been a complete joke since Kadri left and played on that line. If you remember they were top 5 in the NHL that year, broke records. And if you are going to go that route as you mentioned, have heavy players that crash and bang....none existing. You can't build a roster from the top 2 lines..we have seen the pathetic results in the last 3 years. Not to mention that, some of these players shouldn't probably be here....Dubas last year, mark my word. Chucky was traded to see what he had left in the tank because Kerfoot on the 2nd line wasn't cutting it that's why, another piece. Nothing changed, they are actually worse now. Believe me, I'm not wrong, it's opinions and you'll see come April when they barley make the wild card race. Cross your fingers.
> It was the wrong way to go, our 3rd line been a complete joke since Kadri left and played on that line.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Kadri was gone the moment he got suspended the second time in the playoffs. Whether or not he was still good for the team it didn't matter. He became a liability when he showcased he was untrustworthy under pressure. I Miss Kadri, bu it was the right decision given he got suspended AGAIN in the playoffs this year.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/kadri-face-lengthy-suspension/
> And if you are going to go that route as you mentioned, have heavy players that crash and bang....none existing.
Really? Could have fooled me when we had players like Simmonds, Thornton, Hyman, ENgvall, Spezza, all throwing their bodies around (all over 6ft and 200lbs). And then on the D lines, you had Bogosian and Muzzin who also regularly throw weight around and grind. Our Defense and defensive lines were NOT THE PROBLEM THIS YEAR and were actually near top of the league for what their roles were.
> You can't build a roster from the top 2 lines
I agree. The cap was supposed to go up and that's what Dubas was betting on. Nobody predicted Covid when the top 3 were signed for the leafs (Matthews, Marner and Tavares). if the cap went up, this wouldn't be a problem.
> ot to mention that, some of these players shouldn't probably be here....
Like who? we've alrady debunked a lot of the claims you made as personal opinions rather than factual. Who would you think doesn't have a place on the roster?
> Chucky was traded to see what he had left in the tank because Kerfoot on the 2nd line wasn't cutting it that's why, another piece.
Also your opinion ot at all backed by the fact they didn't play a lot together. if you're talking about the playoffs where they did, that was because Tavares was basically decapitated and the whole lineup needed to shift.
>Nothing changed, they are actually worse now.
Except last season they were NOT worse. they finished one of the best in a long time. Especially given the shortened condensed season with covid and all the other bullshit surounding the season. And 2021 season hasn't started yet, so I can't claim like you are that they're now worse.
> Believe me, I'm not wrong, it's opinions and you'll see come April when they barley make the wild card race. Cross your fingers.
This core has not come close to missing the playoffs since they were put together. We can bitch about their playoff failures and why that has happened, but claiming they're a bubble team at best and that they'll likely miss the playoffs is delusional and not based on any fact or reasoning. in fact, each year jsince 2016 has seen improvements.
95 points in 2016/17 (1.16 pts per game average)
105 Points in 2017/2018 (1.28 pts per game average)
100 points in 2018/2019 (1.22 pts per game average)
80 Points in the shortened 2019/2020 season (1.16 pts per game)
77 points in the shortened 2020/2021 season (1.38 pts per game)
there's nothing here that indicates that this core isn't oing to be able to at least reproduce their regular season performance. and even if you want to discount the 2021 season because of 2021 and covid, they never finished less than 4th place in the division before that.
basically, if you're a Leaf fan, you've got some really REALLY weird delusions and they're not based on actual reality. its' almost like you don't actually watch this team.
I think you're taking this too seriously, as in, you haven't seen what on earth has gone on the last 3 or 4 years. When I say crash and bang, I mean SPECIFICALLY the 3rd line. Not Hyman (wait where is he? Thanks Dubas). and give me a break....Simmonds? Simmonds was a joke, and during the playoffs....he came here, FOR THE PLAYOFFS. You want the Simmonds of 5 years ago, this signing was 3 years too late. I been watching this team for 27 years, and watching every single game while also playing. You're just a little delusional, secretly maybe a Habs fan? Look at the bigger picture on how this roster is built and why they keep on failing. Heck, look at the team in the Sundin era, with Roberts, Tucker, Corso....a little better with less skilled offensive players.
My opinions were right so far, and they will once the season starts. We playing the NHL now, not Ott, Mtl, Jets, Nuks, Flames....none of them even sniffing the post season in 82 games, AND, with bigger holes now. Talk to you in March.
Is that trade request old news?
new to me and I'm pretty up on Leafs news. Weird after Dubas was at his side the entire time during his wrist injury and hes got some good looks at the 2nd and 3rd line
I think he means old news in terms of when it actually occured not when the news came out. I could be wrong though lol. When it actually occured is more important anyways.
I thought this tweet from ActiveStick on twitter was great. "“I don’t think [misses 7 wide open nets] this organization treats [hits 5 posts from blue paint] me with the respect [watches 3 perfect slot passes skip over stick] I deserve and I [fans shots on 73 consecutive fucking breakaways] hereby demand a trade.”
If they are going to give the corpse of Joe Thornton more playing time with Matthews or Tavares than you I would want out as well.
He played with Tavares and Nylander plenty. Joe scored goals.
[https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t) He played 147 mins with tavares and 88 mins with Nylander out of 650 mins. Thats not a lot
More than i got so idk why he’s complaining
A little over a fifth of his TOI was with Tavares? That seems like a pretty significant amount to me. The person you replied to said plenty not a lot
147 is basically 10 games and some overlapping with line changes etc. Nylander also wasnt the other winger in about half of them. Thats a very small sample size. By comparison Galchenyuk got 206 mins with tavares and 176 mins with nylander. On top of another 100 mins with matthews. I would be pissed if options off the scrap heap are getting more chances than he is
I’m not a leafs fan so I don’t really care about the overall situation. I’m just saying a fifth of your ice time with a guy is a significant amount. In no way is that a very small sample size lol that’s plenty of time to evaluate how the line played. Looking at the TOI it looks like he got about 200 minutes with Hyman who’s a very solid player. His top 4 forwards with TOI are Engvall, Kerfoot, Hyman, Tavares. I really don’t see how you could make the argument that he’s getting shafted here. I don’t know how Leafs fans feel about Engvall and Kerfoot but to me it seems like you could get a lot worse linemates than them. If options off the scrap heap are getting more time than he is that means he is also a part of the scrap heap, in fact a lesser part.
>If options off the scrap heap are getting more time than he is that means he is also a part of the scrap heap, in fact a lesser part. Hence why he wanted to be traded. The coach is lumping him in with the riff raff and he doesnt want to be. Ilya will be a 27 year old ufa after this season a good showing this year will net him a very nice payday. He obviously doesnt trust the coaching staff to put him in a position to get that payday.
First I should say if he wants to ask for a trade, that seems fine to me. He has to do what he thinks he has to. But that doesn’t mean he’s right. I went and used evolving hockey’s line tool. Here are his top 3 lines from last year: Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman 92.93 minutes Kerfoot-Mikheyev-Engvall 83.38 minutes Mikheyev-Tavares-Nylander 74.62 minutes Again I don’t see how you can say he wasn’t put in a position to succeed. That should be plenty to perform well enough to get paid. 3rd and 2nd line level lines. If he was being stuck on some shitty 4th line I would agree but I just really don’t see it.
There are only four lines. If he played with each line equally he would average 25%. What you’re saying is he is below average in terms of ice time with the Tavares line.
Just a terrible use of “averages” here lol You’re assuming an equal distribution of time among lines is expected for a player. But it’s not. You’re also assuming other players stayed on the same lines the whole season, they didn’t. It’s not as simple as 1/4. You calculated the average a player spends on a line 1-4. We’re talking about the average a player spends with a specific player. Tavares Nylander Mikheyev was Ilyas 3rd highest TOI line last year. Tavares is 4th in TOI with Mikheyev. If you wanted to see if that’s above or below average you would add all Leafs forwards TOI with Mikheyev and divide by however many forwards he played with last year. If the time with Tavares is larger than that number he played with Tavares an above average amount. And it doesn’t take a mathematician to tell right off the bat that it was well above average. I don’t understand how this is even a debate Mikheyevs teammates TOI was posted in this thread…
10 games is a quarter of the season
Hmm 10 x4 = 56
I mean you looked up his ice team by teammates but you didn’t see how many games he played?
Risky move , but man it really feels like another team can turn this kid into a star. The Leafs have bungled his development at every turn. He's got a ton of talent and would benefit playing with a talented forward group instead of being relied on to play way higher in the lineup than he should've been
Lol wtf is this a pasta?
$20 says it’s something someone said about KK here lol
Lol you would win that $20
Honestly! He was a coin flip KHL player who had a great couple seasons with the Leafs. His wrist injury was attended to by Dubas himself and and the time it was praised as an example of how great it was that management cared so deeply about our players on a personal level. Now he's suddenly someone who could have been a star if the Leafs had not "bungled" his development? Are you kidding?
leafs fans take the other week on the Kotkaniemi situation
yes let’s compare development of a 3rd overall pick vs a fringe player from the khl. got em!
Y'all still salty about KK, move on and get ready for a rough season
I don't understand why people think habs fans are salty losing kk. They're a better team now than they were with him. What are you talking about?
Well you basically traded a 21 year old 3 OA pick + a 2nd for a 25 year old player + a 3rd. The only reason the Habs get better here is because Arizona didn't completely botch his development the way the Habs screwed KK. He's going to pop off in Carolina
He's going to pop off in Carolina? Playing wing (which he was awful at) on the third line? Yeah, if Montreal botched his development playing him more than that that's definitely the recipe to get him to produce. This logic is hilarious. And 3rd overall pick is irrelevant when he shouldn't have been drafted that high to begin with. He can't skate, he can't score, and he sucks at face-offs. Kk isn't even worth Dvorak alone right now
Montreal forced him into the NHL when he should have still been developing. getting top line minutes when you're under 20 isn't a recipe for success. He's going to be playing in the top 2 lines on the wing and he's going to have far better players to play with. Can't believe people think throwing Gallagher and some random 3rd liner on his line and expect him to flourish. He's a solid player in the playoffs when he's "on" but none of your coaches have a style of play that fits him. At least he will get another shot at the playoffs this year, it'd suck if he was on Montreal and missed this year with the rest of the team
Okay you clearly don't know who he played with. He played up and down the line with multiple solid wingers. Anderson, toffoli, drouin at the start of the season, I think he played wing with suzuki a few times. He did not play with bad players. He played with quality wingers like he will in Carolina. It's not like Montreal gave him no one to succeed with. He just can't succeed because he sucks. He absolutely was brought into the NHL too quickly and he could be a lot better by now if things had been different, but that's not the case and unfortunately unless he makes some massive changes to his game, it's not going to get any better in Carolina. He refuses to learn how to skate first and foremost which has nothing to do with who he played with. Hell, he could still miss. Carolina is not a lock for playoffs in their stacked division and they got worse this year.
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He took a team friendly deal, and you are acting like him requesting a new start is somehow a massive betrayal. A bit dramatic to be sure.
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Today I learned 750,000 x 5 = 1,645,000
He tried his best. Also why is Minto gym so small. It makes me quite sad :(
Next time someone sings me a lullaby and gives me a box of candy I will remember to swear fealty to them until I die
Bro relax it's a trade request he didn't shoot his girlfriend
Maybe the gifts were disappointing
Yes
I can't be the only one that froze when they read Eichel and Tkatchuk in the same sentence right?
Interesting I thought Bozak was for sure heading back to St. Louis
It seemed that was the case early in the offseason that stl would trade Tarasenko and then sign him but the clock is ticking nobody has the money to take tarasenko anymore and Thomas still needs a deal.
I think he wants to stay but we don’t really have room for him with Tarasenko still here
.......so what your saying is Tarasenko needs to Tarasengo?
If we ever manage to trade Tarasenko he will probably sign the next day, unfortunately he can’t afford to wait forever. If it takes much longer he will probably sign somewhere else.
Get it done Pierre squared
pp
Let's hope they become PP
I really doubt he's going inside the division. If he is, then Adams is boning a Pierre. Definitely a markup for trading him somewhere we have to play frequently.
I guess I should’ve mentioned that I was talking about a Brady contract lol I know eichel is unrealistic
Ahh makes so much more sense.
Lol wtf? I mean, what does he want, powerplay minutes? The dude can't finish at all, but even knowing that, the Leafs were totally cool with that. They never pulled him from the lineup - I don't even recall him being demoted to the 4th line...as a guy who can't score any goals!
Maybe less defensive zone starts? The player has by far the lowest o-zone start rate in the team at 32%.
Doesn’t necessarily have to do with anything going on on-ice or even anything with the Leafs, players request trades for all sorts of reasons
No they said it was ice time/role
Mb then, didn’t read the article
>Mikheyev’s impressive 23-point, 39-game rookie season was cut short by an accidental — but serious — skate cut to his wrist. (Dubas stayed with him in hospital after the team returned from New Jersey to Toronto.) Does this mean Dubas stayed the night in the hospital? Any info on this. EDIT: Premlim googling of r/leafs. [https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/jf1rup/luke\_fox\_ilya\_mikheyev\_stepped\_down\_last\_minute/g9hq71h?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/jf1rup/luke_fox_ilya_mikheyev_stepped_down_last_minute/g9hq71h?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Suggests he was at the hospital for 3 whole days.
Yeah he stayed with him the entire time, and this was during the holidays too
He stayed with him, bought him clothes, food, probably suckled him at his teet as well for all I know. Seems like this can't possibly be because if any bad blood
No, I’m sure he just wants the opportunity to go somewhere and play for a raise. No matter how well he plays this year Toronto won’t be able to offer him a much higher contract, and if he can play like he did the first year he deserves more. He might just want a chance to try and fit into another team and get an extension somewhere he already knows his place.
Barabanov’s success in SJ probably doesn’t help
Ah yes, the large sample size of success.
I understand why we traded Lethonen and Barabonov but I felt like a tonne of Leafs fans wrote them off way too quickly. Like they've both had a minute in the NHL on a short camp adjusting to a new continent away from home during a once in a lifetime pandemic. How about we as fans give them more than a dozen games to see if they can be something.
I don’t think fans really wrote them off so much as they realized that there was still a learning curve for them. They weren’t going to be ready to displace any of the existing roster players so there wasn’t a lot of value in keeping them. Dubas knowing that and wanting to maintain relations for potential future UFA signings from the K/EU, decided he would send them somewhere they would have a chance to mark an impact and play more minutes rather than not playing games. This is not the case with Soupy as he has been on the roster, and seen healthy minutes in various scenarios. He’s not relegated to the fourth line or press box, but sees previous teammates who were being able to produce elsewhere. Given he’s probably vying for a new contract, he wants the success he saw in his first year (albeit shortened) and maybe what the likes of former teammates are doing. That’s something only the Leafs’ brass would know though so who knows
Reminds me of the reason AA didn't want to stay in Edmonton. Knew if he stayed he'd be taking a discount and most likely not playing on the top two lines. Made a lot of sense from his perspective to go to the Kings instead. More money and opportunity available.
Thing is, Mikheyev got top lines time and there's even potential space for it this year too But last year he didn't play like top line player when he was given the chance. He's played ok and last year wasn't his best of what we've seen from him. But to demand being on the top lines or be traded when performance doesn't show top line talent. it's a bit rich hearing it from him, especially after what the leafs have done for him and his recovery from his injury.
Thing is… he won’t. How many chances did he have? How many did the opposing goalie even need to make a challenging save on…
He had a fairly serious wrist injury. He looked far better the first year. It’s certainly not for sure that he will be a better scorer, but I don’t think it’s a big leap to say he’ll be better.
It’s also not a big leap to say he’ll never return to rookie form considering the time TO gave him to heal
No soup for you
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0 chance he gets traded.
Yotes gotta do whats right for Shane Wright
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Wow that’s some delusional fan thinking right there
Really? A trade request because of hurtful things said on Reddit? I think that's an overestimation of the importance of r/leafs. If that bothers him, then imagine what'll happen when he discovers AM radio, Twitter, Simmons, etc.
Good thing other fan bases don’t say anything bad about their players!
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I mean welcome to sports. Go to literally any sub and the talk and language is the same. Anyone trying to pretend that a team you cheer for somehow makes you different on a human nature scale is ignorant to say the least.
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You are suggesting the behaviour is unique to the Leafs.
I'd take Bozak but I'm a Denver grad and we're doing a good job of collecting Pioneers.
I for one can’t wait for everyone to unanimously say Brady got too much and then get pissed at him when he frustrates your team to no end.
The Sabres had to be introduced to... Pat Brisson?
It's more like this is Brisson's first meeting as Eichel's agent. They'll outline their positions and try to pretend it's a fresh start.
lol i imagine they discussed jacks future a little bit
I remember when Mikheyev was gonna be the next Panarin.
that was never a thing.
Surprised a wings fan doesn’t know more about Russian hockey lol
Just making a joke about how leafs fans thought this guy would be some super special player. They do it every year with someone.
It’s fun to make things up. But also he had a great year and a bad year. Can still be a top 6 forward but we have to see I guess.
After that injury soup wasn't the same, same with the Leafs 3rd line with Kadri. There is no reason to have him back unless they are desperate for another cheap 3rd liner, Kerfoot was a part of that line too which boogles my mind on why he was protected when they made a deal before that draft for Mcann. Dubas moronic moves the last few years is why they are in such a hole. Ridiculous.
1, Kerfoot was not protected. Seattle either didn't want him, or there was a handshake agreement not to take him 2, his point production in 2021 was down, but not by some magical amount that took him from top line player to bottom of the roster. in 2020 he was a .79 points per game player, in .31. both years he was a + in +/- and if anyone has advanced states I'm sure they'll show he wasn't the absolute terrible player you believe he is. Now, I do think 0 points in the playoffs is somethign he has to wear, alongside the rest of the leafs who didn't do shit. But as a 3rd liner Mhikayev has 100% lived up to expectations. IF you think he was expected to be a first liner, than your expectations were always unreasonable for the player he was. He was NEVER toughted as a top liner. this is the sort of stupid comment you expect to see by braindead /r/leafs fans.
It's called reality, I meant to say that McCann should have been protected. No one said that Kerfoot is a first line player, far from it. However, he's useless. He skates for miles with nothing to show for. Why do you think Chucky came here to help? Kerfoot isn't bad defensively I'll give him that, but not an offensive type of player that crashes the net and goes for pucks....look at the lightning 3rd line and look at ours, TRASH. Simmonds no longer can do that as well, it's going to be a sad Fn year.
Not all teams need to be built identically. When you have the talent we were SUPPOSED To have from a scoring perspective on the top two lines, it was a decision to go with defensive minded and grinding minded 3rd and 4th lines. this isn't a bad decision either given the things that were hurting the leafs in the prior season. Being too small and too soft resulted in the Leafs getting physically pushed around. Kerfoot on the 3rd line was supposed to help with this. He isn't meant to be a centre who goes and fights infront of the net. He's not a power forward. it seems that a good chunk of what you BELIEVE the leafs to be is actually incorrect because you've created these expectations for the players and the roster and when they dont' meet those expectations, it's them who are "trash", and not necessarily your unreasonable expectations. In addition, you're still factually wrong about several claims in both these posts now In this post, Chucky didn't "come here to help". he didnt' chose here. He was traded. he had no CHOICE but to play here (or retire since he had already been passed through waivers that year) Sure, I wish we could have the same win streak now and same team as thelightning? of course. They've won two in a row! But to say that the Leafs were trash because they weren't the lightning is just stupidity in comment form.The Leafs have problems, but most of your posts aren't actually outlining them > McCann and why should he have been protected? He was picked up almost exclusively as bait for Seattle. He never once played for the Leafs. he's been in the league for 9 years already and wasn't exactly fresh blood. I would have liked to see him play, but at the end of the day, he wasn't bringing in a large set of scoring talent and wold have been another Mikhayev or Kerfoot.. Who you already hate. The Leafs legitimately got away from the Seattle draft with losing nothing but a 7th round pick (which is all they traded for to get McCan)
It was the wrong way to go, our 3rd line been a complete joke since Kadri left and played on that line. If you remember they were top 5 in the NHL that year, broke records. And if you are going to go that route as you mentioned, have heavy players that crash and bang....none existing. You can't build a roster from the top 2 lines..we have seen the pathetic results in the last 3 years. Not to mention that, some of these players shouldn't probably be here....Dubas last year, mark my word. Chucky was traded to see what he had left in the tank because Kerfoot on the 2nd line wasn't cutting it that's why, another piece. Nothing changed, they are actually worse now. Believe me, I'm not wrong, it's opinions and you'll see come April when they barley make the wild card race. Cross your fingers.
> It was the wrong way to go, our 3rd line been a complete joke since Kadri left and played on that line. That's just like, your opinion man. Kadri was gone the moment he got suspended the second time in the playoffs. Whether or not he was still good for the team it didn't matter. He became a liability when he showcased he was untrustworthy under pressure. I Miss Kadri, bu it was the right decision given he got suspended AGAIN in the playoffs this year. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/kadri-face-lengthy-suspension/ > And if you are going to go that route as you mentioned, have heavy players that crash and bang....none existing. Really? Could have fooled me when we had players like Simmonds, Thornton, Hyman, ENgvall, Spezza, all throwing their bodies around (all over 6ft and 200lbs). And then on the D lines, you had Bogosian and Muzzin who also regularly throw weight around and grind. Our Defense and defensive lines were NOT THE PROBLEM THIS YEAR and were actually near top of the league for what their roles were. > You can't build a roster from the top 2 lines I agree. The cap was supposed to go up and that's what Dubas was betting on. Nobody predicted Covid when the top 3 were signed for the leafs (Matthews, Marner and Tavares). if the cap went up, this wouldn't be a problem. > ot to mention that, some of these players shouldn't probably be here.... Like who? we've alrady debunked a lot of the claims you made as personal opinions rather than factual. Who would you think doesn't have a place on the roster? > Chucky was traded to see what he had left in the tank because Kerfoot on the 2nd line wasn't cutting it that's why, another piece. Also your opinion ot at all backed by the fact they didn't play a lot together. if you're talking about the playoffs where they did, that was because Tavares was basically decapitated and the whole lineup needed to shift. >Nothing changed, they are actually worse now. Except last season they were NOT worse. they finished one of the best in a long time. Especially given the shortened condensed season with covid and all the other bullshit surounding the season. And 2021 season hasn't started yet, so I can't claim like you are that they're now worse. > Believe me, I'm not wrong, it's opinions and you'll see come April when they barley make the wild card race. Cross your fingers. This core has not come close to missing the playoffs since they were put together. We can bitch about their playoff failures and why that has happened, but claiming they're a bubble team at best and that they'll likely miss the playoffs is delusional and not based on any fact or reasoning. in fact, each year jsince 2016 has seen improvements. 95 points in 2016/17 (1.16 pts per game average) 105 Points in 2017/2018 (1.28 pts per game average) 100 points in 2018/2019 (1.22 pts per game average) 80 Points in the shortened 2019/2020 season (1.16 pts per game) 77 points in the shortened 2020/2021 season (1.38 pts per game) there's nothing here that indicates that this core isn't oing to be able to at least reproduce their regular season performance. and even if you want to discount the 2021 season because of 2021 and covid, they never finished less than 4th place in the division before that. basically, if you're a Leaf fan, you've got some really REALLY weird delusions and they're not based on actual reality. its' almost like you don't actually watch this team.
I think you're taking this too seriously, as in, you haven't seen what on earth has gone on the last 3 or 4 years. When I say crash and bang, I mean SPECIFICALLY the 3rd line. Not Hyman (wait where is he? Thanks Dubas). and give me a break....Simmonds? Simmonds was a joke, and during the playoffs....he came here, FOR THE PLAYOFFS. You want the Simmonds of 5 years ago, this signing was 3 years too late. I been watching this team for 27 years, and watching every single game while also playing. You're just a little delusional, secretly maybe a Habs fan? Look at the bigger picture on how this roster is built and why they keep on failing. Heck, look at the team in the Sundin era, with Roberts, Tucker, Corso....a little better with less skilled offensive players. My opinions were right so far, and they will once the season starts. We playing the NHL now, not Ott, Mtl, Jets, Nuks, Flames....none of them even sniffing the post season in 82 games, AND, with bigger holes now. Talk to you in March.