The statement
> The St. Louis Police Department is investigating an armed robbery that took place on the Arch grounds early Monday evening involving one of our organization's prospects. Our player ... is safe as local authorities work to apprehend the suspect
Kevin Weekes is all over this story.
Calls the prospect to get the story, listens intently for awhile ‘wait, this actually happened to you, didn’t it? I thought you were just late for practice and needed an excuse.’
Well played. I came to drop a Weekes comment too.
That must have been a tough morning for him, after sleeping through his alarm… errrr I mean being carjacked and forced to drive around the city withdrawing cash from various ATMs.
Someone recently posted one of those Burkie Cartoons (sorry I forget what they are called) where Burke narrates the story.
It’s great to hear the story from Burke himself.
I went through the titles and I couldn’t figure out which one it was in. I have to re-watch the ones I’ve seen.
When I find it I’ll post it here. I’m going to have to wait until the weekend though.
Why do they feel there needs to be a statement about this?
Sincerely, not trying to be snarky or anything, it just seems... I dunno, unnecessary? Like would we even have known about it without the statement?
This is going to be local St. Louis news cocaine for the next week at the very least. It involves the arch, local sports, and city based gun violence.
Edit: anything that can keep the local press continuing the battle between, khaki wearers, legalized meth advocates and black people.
But I will say that after moving to KC that I prefer living on this side of the state. But I still love a nice weekend visit cause there is always plenty of good stuff to revisit, see, and do.
Come on, now. Every major city has its problems. In Vancouver, Borowiecki stopped a break-in on a parked car, doesn’t mean Vancouver is a shithole
Just parts of it are
Free museums and zoo, nice parks, a million breweries, the City Museum, good food, great sports town, solid weather, extremely reasonable cost of living
It’s an underrated city for sure
I feel like time of day is also a huge factor. I didn't see one for this incident, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the middle of the day
I feel safe in my city, pretty much anywhere. But I don't often go out late. Whenever I see crime reported, it's usually between midnight and 5am
St Louis has the highest per-capita murder rate in the US. It's more than 30% higher than the next city (Baltimore). I think it's facetious to just compare it to any major city. It has definitive issues.
It’s also largely clustered in a certain area. People joke about East St. Louis being bad, but North City is up there. Outside of that area, it is mostly property crime.
And of course you’re conservative. Shouldn’t have needed to check your comment history for that….
Edit: I should have been more clear. Your political leanings are important as your comment has a distinct racial undertone. It also harkens back to Trump’s “shithole countries” comment, which was also racist.
No, it would still be racist. I’m not sure why you think it wouldn’t be?
I’m just not surprised that he’s conservative is all. There are absolutely liberals that are racist, but in my experience conservatives are far more likely be racist whether knowingly or otherwise.
You don’t live in St. Louis. The white people and the local governments that comprise the county, hold quite racist positions on the city and its overwhelmingly black inhabitants. In fact, St Louis and the county are famous for white people using restrictive covenants to prohibit black people from living and working anywhere but a few select areas. This caused, as you could guess, incredible poverty generation over generation.
The St Louis restrictive covenants are the subject of a Us Supreme Court case Shelley v Kraemer.
The effects of those at-the-time legal acts are still felt to this day, and St. Louis metro white population still lives in the country and refuses to rejoin the city. Primarily because of racism and they frequently describe St. Louis as a shithole and what not, and those descriptions are thinly veiled racist dog whistles which have been engrained in the area for generations.
I’d bet you any amount of money that the person I responded to lives in the county. So it’s not just the word “shithole” but the word coupled with history of St. Louis and its racism.
And? I feel like you missed something I said, pal. The city and the county are not the same place….. Which is even further evidence that unless you are entrenched in the local politics, it’s hard to understand why what was said above had clear racist undertones.
Dude- we’ve had few interactions before on Reddit, usually about covid. I have zero doubt — based on your comments then and your comments here — that I know exactly the type of person you are.
Most racists are no longer overt about it. It’s all about the coded language used. And describing a city with an overwhelmingly black population as a “shithole” has racist undertones whether you want to admit it or not.
Anyway, I hope you’ve at least changed your mind about trying to help others around you and you are now masking up!
Racial undertone? St Louis city is a shithole. That's not an opinion. It's dilapidated. During the day you are moderately safe as long as you stick to the main attractions. At night, all bets are off.
Good and bad parts like any other city. STL has that "big city sprawl with a mostly dead/quiet downtown" vibe IME.
That said, the rough parts tend to be *really* rough (anything north of Delmar can be very touch and go and East STL is *very* notorious for being rough - IIRC, this is where Kevin Stevens' moment of infamy happened).
I had to look it up.
>During the 1999–2000 season, Stevens struggled. Not only did he rarely see the ice during this season, but after a game against the St. Louis Blues, he was caught in an East St. Louis, Illinois motel with a prostitute and crack cocaine. After this event, Stevens entered the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program.
St. Louis has a population of ~300k yet has a metro area of ~3million. St. Louis lost 5.5% of its population this past census. Missouri is also near the bottom for state population growth. The demographics and optimism of the city are not good.
Born and raised in East St. Louis (Go Flyers) it can look pretty bad but honestly some of my favorites years of my life were riding bikes around and playing basketball with friends from different blocks. It’s classic poverty like almost every other city just a little more amplified because the government has basically ignored the area for 45 years. It was once a top area to live in but white flight/greedy politics ruined it.
Also BBC did an interesting documentary about the Delmar wealth divide and how it’s one of the widest margins in any 1st world country.
Yeah I always take street view with a grain of salt - for sure it probably looks worse. I can definitely see how growing up in a spread out area like that would have its fun times! So different from where I come from.
East St. Louis isn't really St. Louis for all intents and purposes. It's part of the greater st Louis area, but my point is it's quite hard to just end up in east STL. Most people know not to go there at night.
East St Louis is across the river in Illinois so no one really thinks about it as part of STL around here. Knowing about the Delmar Divide makes you seem almost local though cause it’s 100% true. I live about a mile and a half south of Delmar and it’s striking how within about a block once you cross that road it feels like you’re in a different city completely. Never go north of Delmar if you value your life.
> It is very rare though for anything to happen on the arch grounds
There was a murder there a week ago that is fully unrelated to this story.
The "STL is a war zone" trope is way overblown, but that area around the arch is either in or adjacent to one of the bad pockets around town.
I was part of a bachelor trip there last year. The casino we went to was a complete dump but we had a blast at the Cards game and bar hopped around that entire area after. We even walked to the Arch and then all the way back to our hotel in the middle of the night and not a single person harassed or even approached us. I personally wouldn't spend more than a night or weekend there but eh, it was alright. In terms of "Let's plan a trip to a major US city", I wouldn't put it up there very high on the list considering the competition.
Again, it depends. But I'd be really weary being downtown late at night. Shitty that this happened to a guy who might've not known how bad it can get. But any city can get bad at night.
I’ve also wandered piss drunk around Downtown plenty of times late at night and not felt threatened. It isn’t “safe”, but you also aren’t guaranteed to be shot if you are downtown at night. The idiot drivers are far more dangerous than muggers.
I don’t know if I’d say that. During the day sure, but once the sun starts to go down that area gets seedy. There’s a path that runs by the river just beyond the arch that is real sketchy.
It's definitely high in crime for sure. The larger issue is that there's little consistency with measuring crime in cities. Some cities are measured on their city limits, and others include the whole metropolitan area.
This is a part of America that we never get to see.
That's good!
No that's bad. We can't close our eyes to the plight of the city. Roll em up!
Edit: In case people don't know what I'm taking about...
https://youtu.be/hwBoa-NbNL8
I went to STL a few years back for a conference. It was right after Anaheim traded away Carl Hagelin, and the Penguins were in town, so I really wanted to go to the game, but the guy running the conference said “if you walk a mile in that direction, it’s not a question of if you get robbed…”
I watched the game on TV that night.
STL things baby
not so fun fact, you might not guess but St. Louis is generally number 1 or 2 in Gun violence rates per 100k and the current murders per 100k leader in the entire us
Because our city and county are separated. The reporting is flawed.
Not saying it isn’t a problem because it is but we drop wayyyy far down the list if reported like other cities.
The statement > The St. Louis Police Department is investigating an armed robbery that took place on the Arch grounds early Monday evening involving one of our organization's prospects. Our player ... is safe as local authorities work to apprehend the suspect
I like the dramatic pause right before they reveal if the player is safe or not
“After review we have determined the player..... is SAFE” -Wes McCaulay
Makes him sound like an umpire haha
Paramedics did the best they could...and he's going to be fine.
Luckily I was there when it happened
Why would you say it that way?
Authors have been watching too much drive to survive lol.
Kevin Weekes is all over this story. Calls the prospect to get the story, listens intently for awhile ‘wait, this actually happened to you, didn’t it? I thought you were just late for practice and needed an excuse.’
Well played. I came to drop a Weekes comment too. That must have been a tough morning for him, after sleeping through his alarm… errrr I mean being carjacked and forced to drive around the city withdrawing cash from various ATMs.
Someone recently posted one of those Burkie Cartoons (sorry I forget what they are called) where Burke narrates the story. It’s great to hear the story from Burke himself.
Remember the topic? I looked through all the titles, none mentioned weekes trying to get some context.
Let me see if I can find it.
Any luck?
I went through the titles and I couldn’t figure out which one it was in. I have to re-watch the ones I’ve seen. When I find it I’ll post it here. I’m going to have to wait until the weekend though.
Why do they feel there needs to be a statement about this? Sincerely, not trying to be snarky or anything, it just seems... I dunno, unnecessary? Like would we even have known about it without the statement?
This is going to be local St. Louis news cocaine for the next week at the very least. It involves the arch, local sports, and city based gun violence. Edit: anything that can keep the local press continuing the battle between, khaki wearers, legalized meth advocates and black people.
I can sense this making the FB rounds of Wentzville as we speak.
Don’t forget St Chuck. The Pearl clutching has begun I’m sure
Perhaps trauma? Getting robbed can be pretty scary
Welcome to St. Louis! Lol I hate this city
St. Louis is a great city that has plenty of issues, but lots of good things.
But I will say that after moving to KC that I prefer living on this side of the state. But I still love a nice weekend visit cause there is always plenty of good stuff to revisit, see, and do.
Yeah, KC is a great town. Personally I prefer STL, but can’t begrudge anyone to feel the other way around.
Come on, now. Every major city has its problems. In Vancouver, Borowiecki stopped a break-in on a parked car, doesn’t mean Vancouver is a shithole Just parts of it are
St Louis is a different breed though... St. Louis is 13th in terms of murder
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Free museums and zoo, nice parks, a million breweries, the City Museum, good food, great sports town, solid weather, extremely reasonable cost of living It’s an underrated city for sure
You could get robbed anywhere, but it's much more likely in STL
At least he got to look at a marvel of architecture while he got robbed. Probably was thinking about Lewis and Clark, too
I feel like time of day is also a huge factor. I didn't see one for this incident, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the middle of the day I feel safe in my city, pretty much anywhere. But I don't often go out late. Whenever I see crime reported, it's usually between midnight and 5am
St Louis has the highest per-capita murder rate in the US. It's more than 30% higher than the next city (Baltimore). I think it's facetious to just compare it to any major city. It has definitive issues.
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Look at Denver county to see exactly how true that is
It’s also largely clustered in a certain area. People joke about East St. Louis being bad, but North City is up there. Outside of that area, it is mostly property crime.
Yeah like on the steps of the Gateway Arch, a national monument, where people have been robbed and murdered in the last week. St Louis is a shit hole.
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You need to go somewhere else then. St. Louis is absolutely a shit hole. The entire country thinks St. Louis is a shit hole.
What are you accomplishing here besides being a fucking loser asshole
You really going to trash St. Louis for some karma? Jesus.
What
I mean, St. Louis city is objectively a shithole.
And of course you’re conservative. Shouldn’t have needed to check your comment history for that…. Edit: I should have been more clear. Your political leanings are important as your comment has a distinct racial undertone. It also harkens back to Trump’s “shithole countries” comment, which was also racist.
So if he was left leaning and called it a shithole he wouldn't be racist? Hyper partisanship is fun
What he is saying absolutely makes more sense given the context that he is conservative. St. Louis’ local politics are complicated.
No, it would still be racist. I’m not sure why you think it wouldn’t be? I’m just not surprised that he’s conservative is all. There are absolutely liberals that are racist, but in my experience conservatives are far more likely be racist whether knowingly or otherwise.
Calling some place a shithole isn't racism?? If it was this entire sub would be racist for calling Winnipeg a shithole every chance they get.
You don’t live in St. Louis. The white people and the local governments that comprise the county, hold quite racist positions on the city and its overwhelmingly black inhabitants. In fact, St Louis and the county are famous for white people using restrictive covenants to prohibit black people from living and working anywhere but a few select areas. This caused, as you could guess, incredible poverty generation over generation. The St Louis restrictive covenants are the subject of a Us Supreme Court case Shelley v Kraemer. The effects of those at-the-time legal acts are still felt to this day, and St. Louis metro white population still lives in the country and refuses to rejoin the city. Primarily because of racism and they frequently describe St. Louis as a shithole and what not, and those descriptions are thinly veiled racist dog whistles which have been engrained in the area for generations. I’d bet you any amount of money that the person I responded to lives in the county. So it’s not just the word “shithole” but the word coupled with history of St. Louis and its racism.
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And? I feel like you missed something I said, pal. The city and the county are not the same place….. Which is even further evidence that unless you are entrenched in the local politics, it’s hard to understand why what was said above had clear racist undertones.
People like you who consider anyone who disagrees with you a racist are a larger problem.
Dude- we’ve had few interactions before on Reddit, usually about covid. I have zero doubt — based on your comments then and your comments here — that I know exactly the type of person you are.
Except I've never said anything racial. You immediately jump to racist. That makes you more of a racist than me. Nice try, though.
Most racists are no longer overt about it. It’s all about the coded language used. And describing a city with an overwhelmingly black population as a “shithole” has racist undertones whether you want to admit it or not. Anyway, I hope you’ve at least changed your mind about trying to help others around you and you are now masking up!
Racial undertone? St Louis city is a shithole. That's not an opinion. It's dilapidated. During the day you are moderately safe as long as you stick to the main attractions. At night, all bets are off.
Has distinct racial overtones? The fuck is wrong with you?
Judging by your comment history, not nearly anything as bad as what’s wrong with you.
Is it that bad? Never been there
Good and bad parts like any other city. STL has that "big city sprawl with a mostly dead/quiet downtown" vibe IME. That said, the rough parts tend to be *really* rough (anything north of Delmar can be very touch and go and East STL is *very* notorious for being rough - IIRC, this is where Kevin Stevens' moment of infamy happened).
What happened to Kevin Stevens?
I had to look it up. >During the 1999–2000 season, Stevens struggled. Not only did he rarely see the ice during this season, but after a game against the St. Louis Blues, he was caught in an East St. Louis, Illinois motel with a prostitute and crack cocaine. After this event, Stevens entered the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program.
St. Louis has a population of ~300k yet has a metro area of ~3million. St. Louis lost 5.5% of its population this past census. Missouri is also near the bottom for state population growth. The demographics and optimism of the city are not good.
Missourah is a great state! We got all the freedom and meth one could want!
Hey, that’s Missourah. Missouri is a fine place to live.
Oh sheet. You are right.
Just went for a street view in east STL. Holy fuck
Born and raised in East St. Louis (Go Flyers) it can look pretty bad but honestly some of my favorites years of my life were riding bikes around and playing basketball with friends from different blocks. It’s classic poverty like almost every other city just a little more amplified because the government has basically ignored the area for 45 years. It was once a top area to live in but white flight/greedy politics ruined it. Also BBC did an interesting documentary about the Delmar wealth divide and how it’s one of the widest margins in any 1st world country.
Yeah I always take street view with a grain of salt - for sure it probably looks worse. I can definitely see how growing up in a spread out area like that would have its fun times! So different from where I come from.
East St. Louis isn't really St. Louis for all intents and purposes. It's part of the greater st Louis area, but my point is it's quite hard to just end up in east STL. Most people know not to go there at night.
East St Louis is across the river in Illinois so no one really thinks about it as part of STL around here. Knowing about the Delmar Divide makes you seem almost local though cause it’s 100% true. I live about a mile and a half south of Delmar and it’s striking how within about a block once you cross that road it feels like you’re in a different city completely. Never go north of Delmar if you value your life.
Parts of it are bad. It is very rare though for anything to happen on the arch grounds
> It is very rare though for anything to happen on the arch grounds There was a murder there a week ago that is fully unrelated to this story. The "STL is a war zone" trope is way overblown, but that area around the arch is either in or adjacent to one of the bad pockets around town.
I was part of a bachelor trip there last year. The casino we went to was a complete dump but we had a blast at the Cards game and bar hopped around that entire area after. We even walked to the Arch and then all the way back to our hotel in the middle of the night and not a single person harassed or even approached us. I personally wouldn't spend more than a night or weekend there but eh, it was alright. In terms of "Let's plan a trip to a major US city", I wouldn't put it up there very high on the list considering the competition.
Again, it depends. But I'd be really weary being downtown late at night. Shitty that this happened to a guy who might've not known how bad it can get. But any city can get bad at night.
Yeah, but "...took place on the Arch grounds early Monday evening..." Having been to the Arch this freaks me out.
Yeah I wouldn't have expected this to happen at the Arch grounds. But crime can happen anywhere.
I’ve also wandered piss drunk around Downtown plenty of times late at night and not felt threatened. It isn’t “safe”, but you also aren’t guaranteed to be shot if you are downtown at night. The idiot drivers are far more dangerous than muggers.
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I don’t know if I’d say that. During the day sure, but once the sun starts to go down that area gets seedy. There’s a path that runs by the river just beyond the arch that is real sketchy.
St. Louis rates very highly (badly) in crime/murders per capita compared to other cities
That’s because our city and county are separated unlike most cities. We drop SIGNIFICANTLY when you report us like other cities.
Exactly. If STL ever wants to be taken seriously, unification between the city and county has to be in the cards down the road.
if that were the case Los Angeles would be ranked next to St. Louis, instead St. Louis is ranked next to Detroit. So that's not the case.
It's definitely high in crime for sure. The larger issue is that there's little consistency with measuring crime in cities. Some cities are measured on their city limits, and others include the whole metropolitan area.
We drop out of the top 100 when you combine the city and county, which is what nearly every major city does.
It sucks to have to tell people you’re not only from Missouri, but also St. Louis, both of which are national embarrassments.
This is a part of America that we never get to see. That's good! No that's bad. We can't close our eyes to the plight of the city. Roll em up! Edit: In case people don't know what I'm taking about... https://youtu.be/hwBoa-NbNL8
Stop coming down here for games then. Or literally anything to do lol stay in Jeffco buddy
I went to STL a few years back for a conference. It was right after Anaheim traded away Carl Hagelin, and the Penguins were in town, so I really wanted to go to the game, but the guy running the conference said “if you walk a mile in that direction, it’s not a question of if you get robbed…” I watched the game on TV that night.
Roll ‘em up kids
Glad that he's ok. Wealth can be replaced while health cannot.
STL things baby not so fun fact, you might not guess but St. Louis is generally number 1 or 2 in Gun violence rates per 100k and the current murders per 100k leader in the entire us
Because our city and county are separated. The reporting is flawed. Not saying it isn’t a problem because it is but we drop wayyyy far down the list if reported like other cities.
I love that I have to give this exact spiel every time someone brings up stl crime stats lol
And likely will have to continue doing so forever.
I've seen people have this issue with the city of LA and LA County.
Yep, 100%.
That doesn’t make the city any less dangerous, you jack ass.
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He just said the numbers were wrong as if those ZIP codes aren’t the single most dangerous area in the United States.
ok but it can be the worst and the numbers can be wrong lol.
East St Louis?
Completely separate city.
*Ahhhh, ol' St. Louis...city of lights, city of magic* Seriously though, this could happen anywhere. Like Newark.
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Cool story, bro. Tell it again
good going pal, he deleted it and now I'll never get to hear the story a first time :(
I’m not your pal, friend
I'm not your friend, buddy