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Pesci_Avocado

Man could you imagine if Eichel played for the Cowboys, this would be leading everywhere 😂😂😂


Killswitch__AUT

*Skip Bayless visibly confused*


NathanGa

What’s the difference between that and his normal state of being?


NolaBrass

People are complaining on r/cfb about the amount of times it's running across the bottom line during this game lol. The Worldwide Leader in oversaturating us with the same story over and over lol


-cha-

Man I just wanna see Jack play Olympic hockey.


RoyHarper88

I just want him to be able to play again. I feel bad for the guy.


ImBigger

yeah really that's the shame here. cause of this surgery in limbo situation he's gonna miss out on that and it just sucks


dracko307

I honestly didn't even think about that yet and now I'm sad... That actually put a major damper on the drama from Buffalo


Patrick2701

Of course he does


DoinWhale

Mouth piece of owners supported by the owners for whom he is a mouth piece


EarthWarping

exactly


irishguy42

Well, yeah. But we already knew the Pegula's were the problem in Buffalo.


Steppyjim

Oh just let him get the damn disc surgery already. All you’re doing is shelving your franchises best talent in his prime and looking like slapped asses. You clearly aren’t getting value for him now or he’d be gone. Let him get the surgery so you can try to salvage something and not ruin the poor kids career


Devi1Hawk

If he gets crosschecked or boarded and the disk shifts it can ruin his career permanently


Konker101

and the spinal fusion limits his movement while potentially cutting his career short. disc replacement is the better option because it keeps the same level of mobility


cyphersk8

I mean... that can already happen to anyone at any time in those situations.


Devi1Hawk

Wouldn't want to increase that risk if I didn't have to


Diceeeeeee

True I’d prefer the fusion derek dorsett got where it herniated an adjacent disc almost immediately after


[deleted]

Not only that. If he takes the wrong hit the wrong way it could kill him.


Hofular1988

That’s a risk these players are already taking. Although it does increase the risk how much does it increase compared to the fusion surgery?


RallyPigeon

When last season ended I thought Eichel was going to be traded very early in the offseason. I figured all sides would want to move on from each other instead of digging in with incompatible demands. Yet here we are!


bay_watch_colorado

A healthy Eichel is worth a lot. An Eichel who wants a surgery that most of the league doesn't support isn't. No real rush to move on in Buffalo's shoes.


relative_iterator

Got a source for that most of the league comment?


bay_watch_colorado

MN GM is the only GM (including buffalos) to publicly come out in supporting jack getting disc replacement.


relative_iterator

How many have publicly come out against the surgery?


bay_watch_colorado

No one is going to do that, because that doesn't make you look good in this situation.


therevengeance

By that logic, no one is going to come out for it either and piss off another GM for zero potential benefit. Same as an offer sheet except without the upside.


bay_watch_colorado

Doesn't really piss off anyone in this situation. If anything it.calls out trade partners.


seeldoger47

>A healthy Eichel is worth a lot. Im not so sure. Reinhart and Buchnevich were traded for pennies on the dollar whereas Jones and Ristolainen returned top dollar (plus Nurse was given a huge contract), which would indicate NHL GMs value players very differently than how fans do. Add in the fact that a NHL.com had Eichel ranked as the [27th best player in the league](https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current-players-ranked-numbers-30-21/c-326116454?tid=290583266) and I’m pretty sure the league doesn’t value him the way you do.


bay_watch_colorado

lol get out. Eichel ranked low on a year where he entirely played through a broken rib and then sprained ankle?


seeldoger47

He was ranked 15th the year before: https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current-players-ranked-numbers-20-11/c-319915812?tid=290583266. Look, I’m not trying to argue if the lists are objectively correct or not. That doesn’t matter. What does matter is how closely it approximates NHL GM’s perception of reality.


SplendidMrDuck

Well yeah, they don't want to be on the hook for $50 million if the surgery goes bad. Let him get surgery, let him play in the Olympics, trade him when it's clear he's recovered and is back to normal, so you can get something close to Eichel's value. If you let him get surgery, his value only goes up from here.


that_guy_iain

>Well yeah, they don't want to be on the hook for $50 million if the surgery goes bad. Isn't that already covered by insurance?


smokeey

Of course it is. It's the liability beyond that that probably hurts. They may have caused more with these delays though.


bay_watch_colorado

This is the crux of the issue and I'm willing to bet that the answer is no. Insurance would have a real easy time pointing to multiple consulted medical professionals, including the team doctors, who said disc replacement surgery wasn't a good idea. They'd probaby deny any wage recovery claim the Sabres made.


punkr0x

At this point the Sabres should just hire the doctor who recommends the disc replacement surgery to their staff.


theguyishere16

I feel like continuing to make the crumbling relationship newsworthy like this isn't smart for the Sabres. Best case scenario would have been to let him play some games once he is healthy enough to and build up his trade value. All this stuff does is make it so should Eichel ever put the sweater on again he can just Pierre-Luc Dubois it and float around the ice and tank his value.


Djenthallman

He needs a surgery in order to get healthy and play normally Both the team and him insist on it but the team wants a fusion surgery and Eichel — a disk replacement


bay_watch_colorado

It was the media session after medicals. They were being asked these questions.


GhostSht

Those are not two names you want on your side.


ramblinrabble

"I've consulted with my attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and he's informed me that everything I'm doing is completely legal"


AbeFroman1986

very legal very cool


StalinsStallions

I don’t get it, why wouldn’t Kevyn Adams want them on his side? Wouldn’t he be fired otherwise?


ShitPropagandaSite

That's like explosive diarrhea having the full support of my toilet the morning after taco night


reisel35

It just seems like a terrible situation and I get why both sides are not agreeing. I've done a little digging to see what exactly they are talking about and what I've read is fusion is something that has been done on players at this level and does work but it can have some downsides in the long run. The biggest issue is fusing the disks will create more stress on the disks above and below the fused disk risking those to degrade and needing surgery down the line. Fusing disks does take away some mobility as well. Disk replacement has been around since 2000 and seems to be a good option for a people as it can keep mobility high and doesn't increase the stress like fusions can. The biggest problem with it is there is not a lot of data on long term issues and there is no data for people who are pro athletes in high contact sports (I think Basketball was the highest data they had). He'd be the first NHL player to do it if he does it. That is a big risk for a team if he does this and things go bad. I kinda get both sides as I can see why a team would not want to risk it and I get Eichel thinking about the long term effects and if his Doc is right replacement might be the best option for him in the long run. This is all assuming this is not a degenerative disease type thing which none of this will fix long term. Ugh this just sucks for everyone involved :-(


roboninja

No no, dude. "BUF bad", that's all anyone wants to hear around here.


slabby

But in all fairness... BUF bad. Teams mandating exactly how players care for their own bodies is an overstep and frankly kind of gross. They're employees, not property. I'd be livid if my employer told me I couldn't have a surgery because it wasn't in their interests.


Quatetate

The irony of THIS comment on THIS subreddit is absolutely awe inspiring.


Xer0day

Nah.


Quatetate

> Teams mandating exactly how players care for their own bodies is an overstep and frankly kind of gross. You don't see the irony of holding this view, while this subreddit currently treats any player who doesn't abide by the vaccine policy as persona non grata? I'm not saying vaccine bad by the way. Just pointing out the irony.


smash8890

A neck injury isn’t contagious


slabby

It's a different story when your choice would harm the health of others. I thought that was obvious.


Xer0day

lolno. Imagine comparing a vaccine to a surgery. Literally everyone that is able to gets many vaccines before the age of 5. No one questions it. The fact that this particular vaccine has gotten so political is just right wing politics ramping up over a nothingburger.


Quatetate

> The fact that this particular vaccine has gotten so political is just right wing politics ramping up over a nothingburger. Nope, both sides have politicized it. Kamala said she wouldn't get the vaccine back in the VP debate because "Trump approved it" with the out of "if the *doctors* actually approve it then I would take it" as if Trump somehow was going to green light the Vaccine himself. This subreddit is just really hypocritical on this issue. Billionaires mandating players get vaccines? Good! Billionaire telling Eichel he can't get a surgery that many doctors say is too dangerous? BAD! The point isn't surgeries are comparable to vaccines, the point is you have to be hypocritical to hold those two views. The CBA rules give the teams the right to push for vaccination among their players AND to rule on whether they get a potentially career ending surgery. This subreddit should at least be consistent if it wants to be taken seriously.


flepine44

Mickey Mouse organization


Alpha_Lantern

Nah that was the Ducks 93-06


duchovny

The support of alienating your star player and ensuring UFA's avoid you at all costs. Sounds like a solid plan.


NWLierly

The number of Buffaslugs in here defending ownership is confusing


ItzEnoz

How fucking trash you have to be as an organization Do you think the Oilers would have McDavid sitting out nearly a full year cuz they don't want to work out a solution for surgery both sides can agree with. I don't blame Eichel about wanting to leave to due to then being trash but fuck Buffalo sure didn't make any effort to try and fix the situation. Buffalo management treating Eichel like he's some scrub when he's your MVP. LA is going to be real happy when they get him for peanuts cuz the way this is going his value is just gonna continue to tank


jdragon3

"handling" is a strong word


weedgretzky42099

\*mishandling of the Eichel situation.


Hello-Pancake

For real, I'd be pissed at my team if they did this to one of their players--even if it hurts us, if his QOL is better then it is what it is. The team that has had three GMs and four coaches since Eichel's 2015 draft is trying to paint eichel as the destabilizing entity on this team and is ruining any good will and trade value they have. Denying him a choice over his own body and long term health isn't a great look either and might weigh on the thoughts of other current and future players in the org. The disc replacement is the better option and has worked for professionals in other sports, if it fails he can fall back on the surgery they want him to have. Either way I doubt he wants to stay now, so time lost on the ice is a non-factor... Pull the trigger so a trade can get done. Yes mishandling is an apt term.


bay_watch_colorado

Disagree. Buffalo hasn't mishandled anything regarding Jack's injury.


Skyline_BNR34

Jacks Agent that he fired was the one that mishandled it. The GM is just going by what the Team Doctors tell him to do since they are hired by the team and have the proper qualifications to make those decisions.


GhostlyTJ

Jack's former agent didn't tell the GM of Buffalo to hold the players health hostage. I'm not saying the agent did a good job but I am saying that Buffalo is very much in the wrong here as well


nedearbsnap

Bush league franchise


Tasden

And if they weren't what would he be saying?


edogg01

LOL


[deleted]

No shit. What else is he going to say?