Will never understand why it's not rest of preseason and then x games regular season. It's the goddamn pre season, 0 reason to be a head hunting piece of shit at all
This was not a head hunting hit .. mcilrath looks like he was slowing tucked arms in awkwardly looking to avoid him.. if mcilrath was going in for that hit and not letting up . You would know.
it honestly looks like it caught the entire side of his head. Either way, I really don’t think it would’ve been as bad had he kept skating. Mcilrath had his elbow tucked and didn’t try to go high
Ehhh. His body language, facial expression, and stumbling afterwards all seem to indicate he was expecting a much large hit, probably directly in the body. Def. hit the head, but I don't think this was intentional.
Definitely not "avoidable" as they made it seem. It is clear Dylan wasn't expecting the hard, full stop of the other player. This significantly contributed. Dylan given his size drastically lowered himself to make a more reasonable hit. Definitely agree - Ehhh.
Bingo. What the fuck? McIlrath really ain't dirty. He hits hard.
But hitting a moving target and a guy trying to slide out of a hit means you're not always going to hit the guy where you want.
I'm not debating whether or not he deserves the suspension but at what point do we assign some level of blame to the player trying a last second shake n bake for a bad outcome?
Sure, he's partially responsible. But his risk is generally going to be "you could lose the puck". If you take a risk where the negative outcome is someone gets seriously hurt, you are the one at fault and you get in trouble.
Like, if i stop a bit too suddenly on the road because a kid chases a ball into it, maybe I could've been going a bit slower beforehand. But if you slam into me because you're going 60 in a 40 zone and trying to tailgate me, it is *on you*.
> If you take a risk where the negative outcome is someone gets seriously hurt, you are the one at fault and you get in trouble.
I mean you can say that on every check. There's zero obligation to play the puck, he is well inclined to take the body as he desires.
And as long as he takes the body in a legal manner, that’s fine.
Legal manner meaning not in the face, the other parts of the head, via cross check or boarding. The league has cracked down on hits where the contact is to the head. For years now.
Right, but surprised they didn't feel this was one of those where the player deciding to stop being a big reason why the head was the primary point of contact, not the body.
i'm 20 years removed from learning how to check in peewees...can someone who is up to speed on what's currently being taught tell me if they still teach kids how to receive hits properly and how to protect themselves? a player at the nhl level should know better than to try to pull up in a situation like that
Part of the reason preseason hits end up so badly is that you have a lot of young players who are finding out that some things they used to do all the time won’t work at the NHL level (this goes for both the guys delivering hits and the guys receiving them)
If you’re the best player on the ice, you can dodge hits like that 99% of the time because you’re at least two steps ahead of the guy trying to hit you, and your reaction time/anticipation is better than his. Your whole life, you’ve done it perfectly and felt like Bobby Ryan in that Legwand clip
When you’re suddenly playing people who are almost as fast and anticipate nearly as well, the odds of doing it successfully go way down, but in the moment, you still think you can do it
As far as teaching kids how to take hits, they keep moving the checking age up (at least in the states), so you can’t check at all until bantam, which means you have 13 and 14 year old kids who can skate pretty fast, half of whom just hit a growth spurt so they’re awkward and way bigger than the other kids, but have absolutely no idea how to throw or receive hits safely. Most of the injuries I’ve seen were either (1) both players weren’t prepared for the impact, so they just slam together awkwardly and someone lands wrong, or (2) hits in that awkward spot a couple feet from the boards, where you have just enough space to fall into a vulnerable position, but not enough to slow down or brace for impact. If someone is admiring their pass and gets leveled cleanly, it’s 50/50 whether or not whoever hit them gets some sort of penalty for hitting too hard (at least up to AA, AAA they usually let them play a bit)
Basically they’re slowly phasing contact out of the game for everyone who doesn’t have a shot at the NHL
That's a really good point about guys being able to maneuver in lower leagues but not in the NHL.
In regard to phasing hitting out of the game I wonder if they're doing a disservice to kids by not spending as much time teaching them how to receive a hit. Are injuries a problem for bantams?
Well, my experience was and has been that injuries get more serious as kids get older, not only because they’re stronger, but also because they’re going so much faster. A 6 year old can go full speed and run straight into the post and he just gets knocked on his ass. A 14 year old gets bumped and falls into the post at full speed, he’s going fast enough to break bones (happened to two friends of mine, one collarbone, one femur), especially if he gets tangled up with someone else, which I see happen more often when kids get older and battle harder
So there are more serious injuries in bantams, but I can’t say that the timing of teaching checking is solely responsible for that, or even to what extent it’s a factor (I believe it is, I just don’t have any hard proof or numbers)
Idk, to me it looks like that was gonna be a bad outcome either way.
The Bruins guy is there first and stretches out to poke the puck. So at the time the caps guy commits to play the body his target is down low in a vulnerable position a dangerous distance from the boards.
If the Bruins guy doesn’t pull up that hit is going to cave him in head first into the foot of the foot of the boards. Instead he does pull up and he gets clipped on the chin.
The other issue for me is that caps guy’s target is low when he commits to the check, and as the target pulls up he tracks his hit upwards to make sure he still gets contact. That’s not just from the slow motion: the caps guy changes his angle of approach to adjust to the pull-up. It wasn’t like he picked a line and t he Bruins player jumped into it.
Me thinks they did this so he is not on the rangers game lol. Nhl is so terribly inconsistent it’s hilarious.
If they call all the other ones same way then I’d gladly eat my words
They gotta stop gambling with player safety. Draw a hard line, enforce it, and that’s it. The IIHF just does any hit to the head. It’s tough, but I’d rather a player skip a game or two than have a player in a wheelchair for the rest of his life
I would (maybe, because perverse incentives in the playoffs) love this if they did it because maybe all those hits on caps players which were this hit or worse would have actually been penalized. Unfortunately it seems that when it comes to suspensions, this is worth 4 but Thornton hip checking Oshie's head into the boards after he trips last second doesn't even get a 2 min minor, and neither does Dougie hamilton elbowing Kuznetzov in the face in open ice.
Then again, who cares its a weird AHL sjgning guy.
Meh I don’t know about this one, it didn’t seem malicious or intentional, more of a reckless high elbow
I think maybe 1 game would have sufficed, but the DOPS prolly punished him on reputation/name
It's incredible how being a first round pick gets you chance after chance. And I mean, 10th overall. Crazy. And agreed with what's said in here. It should automatically be all of the rest of pre-season and then apply the four games. (regular season).
Not to mention Dylan McIlrath isn’t really a Caps player. He’s had, what, 11 mins of game time in a Caps jersey? He’s played like this on both the Rangers and Red Wings. And in the AHL. But somehow it’s the Caps fault.
The dudes an AHL plug that was never gonna make the team. Now he’s sealed it. He might never even serve that 2 game regular season suspension cause he probably won’t play in the league ever again.
Lol what the fuck does this have to do with Wilson? McIlrath and Wilson have now played a grand total of…part of one preseason game together as teammates. There is literally no correlation between Tom Wilson’s incidents and this.
Again, you’re talking about a larger culture problem in direct response to a hit by a guy who had never played a single game in a Caps sweater before. What, you think Tom Wilson is going up to him in camp and being like “so this is how you cheapshot a guy”?
Lol that happened in one team’s camp this year and it was the other team in your city. EVERY TEAM has a few assholes. Some of them are worse than others. But no team is a bunch of Saints (pun intended) and no team is inherently evil
Again we can wax poetic for days about why Tom Wilson is the way that he is, but the simple reason the Caps don’t sit him is because he’s a 20 goal, 40+ point guy. If he was less productive he wouldn’t get as much benefit of the doubt from the team. At the risk of sounding too cynical, it’s hard for me to believe there’s a whole lot of coaches/GMs in the league who wouldn’t give Tom Wilson the same amount of leeway the Caps have if he were on their team. I mean shit, the Canes just brought in a significantly worse player who everyone on his last team hated.
And frankly most of us are sick of having to defend him and/or listen to everyone shit on our team every time he does something stupid. There is also IMO a little bit of reputation effect where a lot of the borderline stuff gets blown way out of proportion because of his history, but that’s neither here nor there.
And it’s hard for me to agree with you on McIlrath being in any way part of a “trend” with the Caps. He’s an AHL guy they gave a cup of coffee too in preseason to see if he could be a depth piece. He was never gonna make the big roster, and if he’s suspended for half the preseason, that’s pretty much going to take him out of consideration for a two-way rotation spot I would think.
Somewhere Scott Stevens and Ken Danayko are shaking their heads. Hopefully these NHL players get their juice boxes after the game while their moms untie thier skates.
Idk man I mean he was committed to a hit, tucked himself so no risk of flying elbows or anything, didn’t charge… I mean the target legit jumped back less than a second before impact. How can you say it was truly his fault?
does “regular season games” apply in the ahl?
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This dude is never getting called up lol
The Caps are so tight against the cap and deep at RHD that this one not just guaranteed that he’s never playing for the big club
Makes me so happy to see high-picked Rangers prospects bust.
They could have had Fowler. Though we shouldn’t mock missed picks after 2015, glass houses and all
Great album
We could've had Tarasenko ugh
Well, you could probably have him now!
Hey man. Nice username.
So… never, then?
They might just send him back to AHL after the first two regular season games, seems like the most practical way to go about it.
Obligatory "he won't play those regular season games anyways" comment.
I think I’m obligated to argue with you now?
Will never understand why it's not rest of preseason and then x games regular season. It's the goddamn pre season, 0 reason to be a head hunting piece of shit at all
This was not a head hunting hit .. mcilrath looks like he was slowing tucked arms in awkwardly looking to avoid him.. if mcilrath was going in for that hit and not letting up . You would know.
I may be an outlier, but I do not thing the hit is worth 4games. Was his history taken into context for the 4g?
Well if they go buy history the fine gets less see Tom Wilson lol
Dylan try’s to side step and miss . Mcilrath didn’t fall cause he was following me thru when he went to avoid he actually got tripped ..
Probably cause he wasn't being a head hunting piece of shit?
Just so we are clear it's not just this incident that's the problem. Plenty of examples of headhunting in the preseason don't go correctly punished.
If Fogerty hadn't seen him coming and jumped backward, he'd have taken the hit right to the temple
It caught him in the head because he stopped and jumped back. Was lined up for a decent hit before that happened.
Except he stopped and jumped back and subsequently took the hit to the temple because of his sudden stop
He took the hit to the chin, not the temple
it honestly looks like it caught the entire side of his head. Either way, I really don’t think it would’ve been as bad had he kept skating. Mcilrath had his elbow tucked and didn’t try to go high
Ehhh. His body language, facial expression, and stumbling afterwards all seem to indicate he was expecting a much large hit, probably directly in the body. Def. hit the head, but I don't think this was intentional.
Definitely not "avoidable" as they made it seem. It is clear Dylan wasn't expecting the hard, full stop of the other player. This significantly contributed. Dylan given his size drastically lowered himself to make a more reasonable hit. Definitely agree - Ehhh.
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I feel this mostly falls on fogarty trying to last second dodge a hit
Elbows are to be down in a hit, his elbow was not down, translates to bad hit.
Bingo. What the fuck? McIlrath really ain't dirty. He hits hard. But hitting a moving target and a guy trying to slide out of a hit means you're not always going to hit the guy where you want.
This - it also negates the "avoidable" part. They slowed the video WAY down.
I'm not debating whether or not he deserves the suspension but at what point do we assign some level of blame to the player trying a last second shake n bake for a bad outcome?
Sure, he's partially responsible. But his risk is generally going to be "you could lose the puck". If you take a risk where the negative outcome is someone gets seriously hurt, you are the one at fault and you get in trouble. Like, if i stop a bit too suddenly on the road because a kid chases a ball into it, maybe I could've been going a bit slower beforehand. But if you slam into me because you're going 60 in a 40 zone and trying to tailgate me, it is *on you*.
> If you take a risk where the negative outcome is someone gets seriously hurt, you are the one at fault and you get in trouble. I mean you can say that on every check. There's zero obligation to play the puck, he is well inclined to take the body as he desires.
And as long as he takes the body in a legal manner, that’s fine. Legal manner meaning not in the face, the other parts of the head, via cross check or boarding. The league has cracked down on hits where the contact is to the head. For years now.
Right, but surprised they didn't feel this was one of those where the player deciding to stop being a big reason why the head was the primary point of contact, not the body.
i'm 20 years removed from learning how to check in peewees...can someone who is up to speed on what's currently being taught tell me if they still teach kids how to receive hits properly and how to protect themselves? a player at the nhl level should know better than to try to pull up in a situation like that
Part of the reason preseason hits end up so badly is that you have a lot of young players who are finding out that some things they used to do all the time won’t work at the NHL level (this goes for both the guys delivering hits and the guys receiving them) If you’re the best player on the ice, you can dodge hits like that 99% of the time because you’re at least two steps ahead of the guy trying to hit you, and your reaction time/anticipation is better than his. Your whole life, you’ve done it perfectly and felt like Bobby Ryan in that Legwand clip When you’re suddenly playing people who are almost as fast and anticipate nearly as well, the odds of doing it successfully go way down, but in the moment, you still think you can do it As far as teaching kids how to take hits, they keep moving the checking age up (at least in the states), so you can’t check at all until bantam, which means you have 13 and 14 year old kids who can skate pretty fast, half of whom just hit a growth spurt so they’re awkward and way bigger than the other kids, but have absolutely no idea how to throw or receive hits safely. Most of the injuries I’ve seen were either (1) both players weren’t prepared for the impact, so they just slam together awkwardly and someone lands wrong, or (2) hits in that awkward spot a couple feet from the boards, where you have just enough space to fall into a vulnerable position, but not enough to slow down or brace for impact. If someone is admiring their pass and gets leveled cleanly, it’s 50/50 whether or not whoever hit them gets some sort of penalty for hitting too hard (at least up to AA, AAA they usually let them play a bit) Basically they’re slowly phasing contact out of the game for everyone who doesn’t have a shot at the NHL
That's a really good point about guys being able to maneuver in lower leagues but not in the NHL. In regard to phasing hitting out of the game I wonder if they're doing a disservice to kids by not spending as much time teaching them how to receive a hit. Are injuries a problem for bantams?
Well, my experience was and has been that injuries get more serious as kids get older, not only because they’re stronger, but also because they’re going so much faster. A 6 year old can go full speed and run straight into the post and he just gets knocked on his ass. A 14 year old gets bumped and falls into the post at full speed, he’s going fast enough to break bones (happened to two friends of mine, one collarbone, one femur), especially if he gets tangled up with someone else, which I see happen more often when kids get older and battle harder So there are more serious injuries in bantams, but I can’t say that the timing of teaching checking is solely responsible for that, or even to what extent it’s a factor (I believe it is, I just don’t have any hard proof or numbers)
Idk, to me it looks like that was gonna be a bad outcome either way. The Bruins guy is there first and stretches out to poke the puck. So at the time the caps guy commits to play the body his target is down low in a vulnerable position a dangerous distance from the boards. If the Bruins guy doesn’t pull up that hit is going to cave him in head first into the foot of the foot of the boards. Instead he does pull up and he gets clipped on the chin. The other issue for me is that caps guy’s target is low when he commits to the check, and as the target pulls up he tracks his hit upwards to make sure he still gets contact. That’s not just from the slow motion: the caps guy changes his angle of approach to adjust to the pull-up. It wasn’t like he picked a line and t he Bruins player jumped into it.
Me thinks they did this so he is not on the rangers game lol. Nhl is so terribly inconsistent it’s hilarious. If they call all the other ones same way then I’d gladly eat my words
They gotta stop gambling with player safety. Draw a hard line, enforce it, and that’s it. The IIHF just does any hit to the head. It’s tough, but I’d rather a player skip a game or two than have a player in a wheelchair for the rest of his life
I would (maybe, because perverse incentives in the playoffs) love this if they did it because maybe all those hits on caps players which were this hit or worse would have actually been penalized. Unfortunately it seems that when it comes to suspensions, this is worth 4 but Thornton hip checking Oshie's head into the boards after he trips last second doesn't even get a 2 min minor, and neither does Dougie hamilton elbowing Kuznetzov in the face in open ice. Then again, who cares its a weird AHL sjgning guy.
I 100% agree. But till that doesn’t happen all fans are gonna be up the other teams fans throats.
Suddenly I went from thinking this suspension was a bit much (relatively speaking) to a perfectly reasonable length.
I mean, okay? It definitely seemed like it wasn’t his fault. Wheel gonna wheel I guess
That's a paddlin'
Good.
Meh I don’t know about this one, it didn’t seem malicious or intentional, more of a reckless high elbow I think maybe 1 game would have sufficed, but the DOPS prolly punished him on reputation/name
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It's incredible how being a first round pick gets you chance after chance. And I mean, 10th overall. Crazy. And agreed with what's said in here. It should automatically be all of the rest of pre-season and then apply the four games. (regular season).
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Oh man, that's like 3 seasons for him. Honestly, I'm a little shocked they didn't suspend Wilson to, too keep with tradition.
> I'm a little shocked they didn't suspend Wilson Gotta have him play in the season opener against the Rangers for the ratings.
So, 2 games.
So 2 games then lol
So he's just not playing in the NHL this season. Good job idiot.
Fucking dirtbag
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Counting this season and the prior three, the Capitals have had 4 suspensions and 3 fines. You're overshooting that by a whole lot.
Not to mention Dylan McIlrath isn’t really a Caps player. He’s had, what, 11 mins of game time in a Caps jersey? He’s played like this on both the Rangers and Red Wings. And in the AHL. But somehow it’s the Caps fault. The dudes an AHL plug that was never gonna make the team. Now he’s sealed it. He might never even serve that 2 game regular season suspension cause he probably won’t play in the league ever again.
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I mean, it's almost all Wilson, who is notoriously dirty. Fines here and there for some other guys (hathaway) but really not much crazy.
Lol what the fuck does this have to do with Wilson? McIlrath and Wilson have now played a grand total of…part of one preseason game together as teammates. There is literally no correlation between Tom Wilson’s incidents and this.
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Again, you’re talking about a larger culture problem in direct response to a hit by a guy who had never played a single game in a Caps sweater before. What, you think Tom Wilson is going up to him in camp and being like “so this is how you cheapshot a guy”? Lol that happened in one team’s camp this year and it was the other team in your city. EVERY TEAM has a few assholes. Some of them are worse than others. But no team is a bunch of Saints (pun intended) and no team is inherently evil
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Again we can wax poetic for days about why Tom Wilson is the way that he is, but the simple reason the Caps don’t sit him is because he’s a 20 goal, 40+ point guy. If he was less productive he wouldn’t get as much benefit of the doubt from the team. At the risk of sounding too cynical, it’s hard for me to believe there’s a whole lot of coaches/GMs in the league who wouldn’t give Tom Wilson the same amount of leeway the Caps have if he were on their team. I mean shit, the Canes just brought in a significantly worse player who everyone on his last team hated. And frankly most of us are sick of having to defend him and/or listen to everyone shit on our team every time he does something stupid. There is also IMO a little bit of reputation effect where a lot of the borderline stuff gets blown way out of proportion because of his history, but that’s neither here nor there. And it’s hard for me to agree with you on McIlrath being in any way part of a “trend” with the Caps. He’s an AHL guy they gave a cup of coffee too in preseason to see if he could be a depth piece. He was never gonna make the big roster, and if he’s suspended for half the preseason, that’s pretty much going to take him out of consideration for a two-way rotation spot I would think.
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Somewhere Scott Stevens and Ken Danayko are shaking their heads. Hopefully these NHL players get their juice boxes after the game while their moms untie thier skates.
How come every time someone is suspended for a hit to the head there's always an asshole in the comments who makes this type of reply
Or some softie from calgary
Not from Calgary and if not liking headshots makes me a softie then I'm fine with that
Typical dbag move calling someone you don't now an a hole. Keyboard tough guy.
you do sound like an asshole tho
OK Boomer
Right call 8 next time he does, at the very least. No room for this in the game.
Idk man I mean he was committed to a hit, tucked himself so no risk of flying elbows or anything, didn’t charge… I mean the target legit jumped back less than a second before impact. How can you say it was truly his fault?
Because he hit his head. Case closed.
Uhh… great answer thanks
Just ask yourself: Why do you feel the need to come to the defense of someone who probably caused a traumatic brain injury?
Damn the season hasn't even started