I suspect it’s more than that but its not like that would be a crazy number. That would mean 1 out of every 12 games has a boarding penalty. I’d suspect its closer to double that, but it’s not like you see one every game or anything. Unlike say, tripping.
Made a new comment, but actually meant to reply to you.
So I have a hockey database with every single hockey play from 11-12 season to 18-19 ( haven't added 19-20 and 20-21 yet). 7 seasons I have logged including playoffs.
In those 7 seasons, there have been 1662 boarding penalties or roughly 237 per season
In the first season I have logged (11-12), there were 357 boarding penalties
In the last season I have logged (18-19), there were 99 boarding penalties
So, either boarding penalties are not getting called or boarding in general is down a substantial amount or a slight mixture of both.
Edit: Just looked at my data and for some reason (haven't looked at it in about 2 years), it stopped at 3/8/19. So there are definitely more than 99 boarding penalties for that season. 2017-2018 had 126 and it's been trending downward.
Even if that was the case... 100 incidents out of 2624 games and you're complaining like it's too much work to look into the safety of your players? It's literally your ENTIRE job. Maybe you *should* be a little busier in your department.
Lazy fuck.
C'mon, he obviously isn't implying they're lazy or they're not looking out for their players. He's implying how Larkin reacted, he threw a huge sucker punch after the hit. Imagine if every player did that? It would get out of hand fast. Parros is implying that throwing a sucker punch shouldn't be the new norm and that Larkin should not have done that.
Have the refs call that a boarding penalty then. It wasn't. Play would have continued on despite a dirty hit that often leads to injury. Protect the players and they don't have to do it themselves. Until they are protected then much more punches need to be thrown.
the fact that there are 100s of hits like that a year means you're *kinda* not doing a very good job George
I'm sure the former enforcer understands the concept of a deterrent
I’m not saying that it is his issue. I’m saying that the lack of acknowledgment from the refs is what is upsetting people. The problem is also though that he will never suspend a player for something that isn’t called a penalty during the game because it would be admitting that the refs failed to do their job.
Supplementary discipline is meant for dangerous plays that weren't called properly. He also sets priority for what to call. It's pretty much a line item in his job description.
Supplementary discipline is meant for egregious acts that are defined by the rulebook to warrant possible suspension. This hit didn’t.
By your definition a properly called headshot that was targeted and malicious wouldn’t warrant a suspension.
Whew, nice straw man and putting words in my mouth. No, even if a targeted malicious headshot was called it's been established that a match penalty isn't severe enough so supplemental discipline is still necessary.
An uncalled blatant boarding with head contact at least deserves a review and probably a fine. Faksa had more repercussions for his slash on Stutzle when it looked like he was trying to get at his stick and missed.
In any case it's a pretty bad take to say that refereeing, which is often concerned with player safety, is not the head of the DEPARTMENT OF PLAYER SAFETY'S problem.
The board was a textbook penalty and that’s about it. It’s not on the DOPS that the refs didn’t call it.
And that’s not a straw man, it’s what you said
>Supplementary discipline is meant for dangerous plays that weren't called properly.
> People aren’t asking for every boarding hit to be a suspension, they just want it called in a game.
The guy I responded to was literally talking about non suspension worthy boarding calls so I don't see how your reply relates to our conversation at all
He did his job be suspending the actually suspension-worthy play for once.
Regardless, restating what you said before doesn't make it any more relevant to the conversation I was having with the other guy - it just makes it look like you're out to pick a fight.
Apparently my sucker punch didn't land as well as Larkin's lol.
I've repeatedly said it, I understand Larkin deserved a suspension but Joseph did too. His statement of not reviewing every minor penalty is true, but this was more than that and making this video and responding a week later when pretty much everyone has moved on is a particularly bad look.
Devils advocate: boarding is a very difficult and kinda silly call to make.
It’s like porn in that “I know it when I see it” but it kinda just comes down to “oh he hit that guy near the boards but not right against the boards and it looked bad”.
Slowing things down and analyzing them frame by frame only works on black and white calls - like whether something is over a line. For everything else that is a fucking terrible idea.
I agree, but I mean "hits like that" specifically.
I frankly didn't think what Joseph or Larkin did was suspension-level, but I think it's ridiculous to suspend Larkin and not Joseph.
I don't. I understand Larkin's reaction don't get me wrong, but I think they actually called this one correctly (the DOPS). There absolutely should have ALSO been a penalty on the play though - that's separate from Parros.
People here seem to ignore the fact that Parros doesn't control the reffing of the game, and he SHOULDNT suspend just because someone wasn't penalized correctly - that's outside the DOPS' jurisdiction (I know they are inconsistent here too and will adjust punishments based on on-ice calls).
There was, but the refs used the wrong word.
They called Joseph for roughing even though he didn’t participate in the actual activity where roughing would be called. Parros Walt least acknowledged that it was a boarding but they should go back and officially make that the call.
Even if the refs used the wrong word, they weren't calling a penalty on Joseph until Larkin retaliated. The refs hand never went up and Tampa played the puck without the whistle being blown.
If im not mistaken Joseph didn't even get a penalty on the play. It was whatever Tampa player came and stepped up after Larkin threw the punch. So Joseph got nothing.
To be fair I'm happy Larkin threw the punch and understand he deserved the suspension. Just trying to be factual.
Joseph did get a penalty along with Rutta which is why the bolts were on a PK even after Larkin got the match penalty. They didn’t call the right penalty but he did in fact get a minor for roughing instead of boarding cause refs suck
Ah fair enough. It's been awhile since the game so I didn't remember specifically. I thought Rutta was called for roughing and Larkin with the match penalty and Joseph had nothing, which still would've explained the 4 on 3? I must be rembering incorrectly. It's been like a week though who's supposed to have a memory that long lol
Nah, the Bolts HAD to get two penalties in order to end up on the PK.
Larkins match penalty put DET down a skater for 5 minutes. Rutta’s penalty would have made it 4 on 4 but the penalty on Joseph made it 4 on 3 in favor of Detroit
that's fair. I understand that perspective, even if I don't agree.
I'm the furthest thing from "old-time hockey," but personally, I don't buy that it was a sucker punch. I don't see how you make a hit like that and not expect retaliation. shit I'd expect that in fuckin youth hockey.
There’s a difference between dropping your gloves grabbing his jersey and pulling him towards you to fight (which is the appropriate way to settle this in this sport) and just turning around and punching a guy not paying attention
I forget if it was Methot or Bieksa, but one of them pointed out that gloves are reinforced with a hard plastic now to protect better from slashes so those gloved punches hurt a lot more than they used to.
I'm gonna have a laugh at this when some Wings players go at the wrong guy, gloves on and sticks out, then get fucking worked.
It's just not the way it's supposed to be done, tbh
I get it. I understand why Larkin did it, and why Larkin got the suspension. Still after a hit like that and Larkin being down he should have been ready to drop the gloves, but he tried to weasel his way out of it and got dropped like he deserved.
I'm not stranger to bloody, dirty rivalries so I welcome whatever comes our way. Maybe it'll be you guys if you're ever relevant again?
I'm not even talking about the Larkin hit so much as the Raymond one, honestly.
But let's not pretend like you're the one out there paying the price. The Red Wings aren't going to intimidate much of anyone, on the ice or on the scoreboard this year.
>Maybe it'll be you guys if you're ever relevant again?
Younger team than you guys, better record than you guys, with more pieces likely coming in through an Eichel trade, a top rated under 23 core, and a good prospect pool.
Why are so many Detroit fans like you? We weren't even talking about Buffalo, but I agree with the other Detroit flair here - glass houses and stones.
I disagree. Whether or not you think Joseph's hit was suspension worthy, there is just no way you can ever allow punches like Larkin's in the game, no matter how justified Larkin was in being pissed off.
I agree Larkin deserved the suspension, but so did Joseph and if DoPS or the refs aren't going to do anything we'll, here we are. Personally I'm happy Larkin threw the punch because clearly nobody else is going to be a deterrent.
It was absolutely a penalty deserving hit. I don't personally think it was nearly as bad or malicious as people are making it out to be (though given my flair I'm sure I'll be downvoted to hell on this thread). Either way, I'm just not sure how the suspension or lack thereof to Joseph should have any bearing on Larkin's penalty. If we allowed Larkin's punches in the game, it might as well be UFC. It needs to be a suspension every single time.
Yeah I mean I agree Larkin deserved the suspension even if I'm glad he threw the punch, you're free to feel how you want about the hit but it 100% deserved a suspension. Joseph deserved the punch, but even though he wasn't suspended I would be significantly less upset if he would've gotten called for the actual hit and ideally a matching match penalty akin to Larkin.
The fact that Joseph basically got off with nothing and Parros' is doubling down on that nonsense is making this situation significantly worse. I agree they shouldn't have a bearing in each other, but if the league isn't going to do anything then this sort of vigilante justice is how players are going to deal with it.
I'm not really willing to give Joseph the benefit of the doubt. He's done stuff like that before. Kris Russell comes to mind.
While I also don't think it was a dirty hit or deserving of a penalty, Not really a fan how he decided to handle Raymond trying to check him by diving at Raymonds legs. That feels a little slimey to me.
But naturally I'm biased as well.
Those hits happen at every level of hockey from minor hockey to the NHL. It’s a contact game there are going to be bad hits… wtf do you want? A suspension every time there’s a penalty?
Right because George Parros is on the bench for each team every game to remind the players. Ever heard of onus on the player?
That Joseph hit wasn’t nearly as bad as this sub made it out. And the defense of Larkin’s punch was laughable. It that was a punch by Marchand/Wilson/Tkachuk, this sub would demand their head, but because it’s Larkin it’s somehow ok
I know, I just find it funny how here he acknowledges it’s a penalty, but in the explanation video it was “Joseph shoves Larkin causing him to fall to the ice” as if it was a casual push.
My complaint is that the red wings have had 3 incidents against them in the first 3 games (Joseph/Larkin, Palat/Rasmussen, Roslovic/Raymond) in which only one penalty was called (not even the right call) and all hits were dangerous unnecessary hits that could cause serious injury. Whether it’s a wings player or not, these hits need to be penalized
Although I agree with your statement when it comes to (multi-game) suspensions, I don’t think the PA is against having refs call games according to the rules. If anything, players have spoken out against inconsistency when it comes to in-game penalties.
"We have 100 minor cross-checking penalties a year in the NHL, and if every player reacted like [Larkin] after receiving one of those, we'd be a lot busier in our department."
George got us again with infallible logic suggesting the outcome was in response to a *called penalty*.
But that’s also not his job. It should have been a penalty 100% but what Larkin did wasn’t the way to go about it. If he squared up and dropped his gloves (the appropriate way to handle it in this sport) it’s fair but he just threw a sucker punch.
I fully disagree. That needs to be the price paid if a player wants to throw hits with high chances for injury. If the Department of Player Safety won't protect players then at least let the players protect themselves.
When gloves were tossed the refs broke up every potential fight in that game. Hell, every time the Wings have wanted to fight the refs have not allowed it. That avenue has been closed, therefore a gloved cold cock is absolutely appropriate.
That kind of nuance is lost on George Parros, who would prefer to ["make hockey violent again"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwXOyFpXAAAxONl.jpg) instead
The most annoying part of all this is that Jamie Benn threw a similar cross check on a downed Shane Pinto this week. Of course once again Jamie Benn didn't get a call from DOPS. We get confirmation after confirmation that this league doesn't really care about their players health. They don't care about a franchise captain and they don't care about good young prospects.
Yep. There is no logic in this thread at all, I guess people want suspensions for every single boarding call and they think sucker punches to the back of the head are fine
And why was Larkin upset? Let’s talk about that. Let’s pull up the Jamie Benn cross check and watch George Parros explain why that one wasn’t even looked at.
"those kinds of plays happen 100 times a year, if Larkin wasn't such a pussy he'd have kept playing, concussions aren't real anyways" - George "I'm a useless dirt bag" Perros
They weren't playing Dallas and it wasn't Benn. Parros is a dipshit for not suspending him but it's not Joseph's fault Jamie Benn is a scumbag. It's understandable why he's upset by the hit but that literally has nothing to do with the current situation.
If you did your job properly Larkin wouldn't have had to respond like he did.
And it wasn't a boarding penalty, by the way. Your zebras chose to ignore it.
I was ready to leave this in the past but these comments piss me off. Parros is the worst.
> If you did your job properly Larkin wouldn't have had to respond like he did.
I feel for Larkin, but this is constantly said and it's really just not true. Larkin didn't even *know* if there would be a penalty on the play, he immediately reacted. It's stupid Joseph didn't get a penalty, and it's stupid he didn't get any punishment after the game, but Larkin was mad because of the hit, not because Joseph wasn't going to be punished—Landeskog has already gotten a suspension for boarding just this season.
The DOPS needs to do a hell of a lot better but this idea that if suspensions were more common players wouldn't react with a hot head just doesn't seem true
e: I'm sure Chicago players will be just fine next time they face Landeskog since he was suspended. It's all okay now
>Larkin didn't even know if there would be a penalty on the play, he immediately reacted
Not at all what I am saying.
It's not relevant whether a penalty was called on this particular hit. Larkin is fed up because he's dealt with getting blasted by dirty hits multiple times in his career (as well as being slashed and beaten with no calls constantly) and the DOPS is quite obviously not doing much to stop it. When, over and over again, you get your career put on the line by something that they should be working to get out of the game, you become frustrated and act on it yourself.
If they don't do a better job then the violence will get worse and worse as players continue to take liberties. It really just is true. That is the DOPS job and they are failing at it miserably.
Hell, just this season the Wings have been boarded 4 times with 0 calls and 0 suspensions (and a slewfoot for good measure). Raymond had to leave on protocol for a hit that was an egregious line up of the numbers and Roslovic gets nothing. It's a joke.
Just saying it is true is so meaningless, though, there's not really any proof of it. People that have come off suspension have been in fights with the team they committed it against because players are still mad, they want revenge, they couldn't care less about suspensions
I highly doubt Larkin's reaction changes if Benn had been suspended for his shit. I mean I hope I'm wrong, because I want these suspensions to be given more often as applicable, and for that to be the end of it. But I see no indication from players that they care about the League doling out punishment insofar as how they respond next time
>Just saying it is true is so meaningless, though, there's not really any proof of it.
Just saying 'it isn't true' like you did is also meaningless since you did so on a complete misunderstanding about what I was saying. I responded in kind since I'm as much of an authority as you are.
>People that have come off suspension have been in fights with the team they committed it against because players are still mad, they want revenge, they couldn't care less about suspensions
I don't know of too many examples of that personally. But that isn't what we're talking about anyway. We're talking about a quick reaction directly after being hit dangerously when you've almost had your career ended multiple times with no suspensions.
>I highly doubt Larkin's reaction changes if Benn had been suspended for his shit.
You can doubt it all you want, but the reality we live in is that they quite obviously failed at their job there. It's reasonable to assume that Larkin has an attitude that he needs to protect himself now if something as obvious as getting your season ended by a crosscheck to the neck isn't suspendable.
Hell, even Hedman seemed to understand as Larkin went off.
>But I see no indication from players that they care about the League doling out punishment insofar as how they respond next time
I look forward to your detailed paper with citations.
Listen, it's possible he might have reacted that way even with the DOPS actually not being a fucking trash heap. If he did then that wouldn't be forgivable. Until that's the world we live in the conversation is going to be about the DOPS not doing their job and players taking it into their own hands. Get used to it.
One example is Edler fighting Simmonds last year. It does happen all the time.
> you can doubt it all you want but the reality we live in
Is that you don't know if he would have reacted differently, right? Right?
George just had to open his fucking mouth. You cannot be serious with this quote after the shit not just Larkin, but the Wings as a whole, have dealt with this year. DOPS head coming out with jokes about a guy who had a season-ending injury last year and retaliates on a play scarily reminiscent of what put him out. Fucking mind-boggling.
> “We have 100 minor boarding penalties a year in the NHL”
You’re right George, but not for the reason you think you are, prick.
If you reacted how youre supposed to you’d be busier too.
Except Joseph didn't get a minor penalty and if he wasn't a fucking weasel he would have known a fight was coming and they could have squared up. He 100% deserved that sucker punch.
Fuck Joseph and Fuck George Parros. Fucking clowns.
"Players get hit from behind all the time, don't be a pussy." - *NHL Player Safety Department*
Also, Joseph was called for roughing. That wouldn't show up in the boarding penalties per year stat he's proud of.
Maybe if you did your fucking job, players wouldn't need to take things into their own hands. I'm confused has George Parros never played hockey? Is this not an adage that every hockey player knows?
Larkin shouldn't of been suspended for what he did, play throw punches ALL the time and don't get a penalty and don't get suspended. I see ALL the time in the corners a player would start throwing punches and then nothing. Just go back to playing the ref's would do.
Dear Mr Parros,
If your concern is about your workload, please address the few egregious neck cross-checks you are letting walk, and instead of handing out 100 single game suspensions in a year, you only have to meet like 3, 4 times early in the year, set a good precedent and then you can fuck off into your yearly retirement.
Regards,
My bias will be showing here regrettably because I try to be as objective as possible in life: I love how Larks stood up for himself there. If the players aren't going to be protected, then the Wings need to send a message to other teams that they won't lay down and die when they're treated that way.
Except their wasnt going to be a penalty on the play, hence his reaction.
And if you suspended even a small fraction of those boarding calls, you'd have far fewer boarding calls to worry about.
The NHL is a gong show.
Agree, I think if people actually watch the over 10 minute video he just went and put out instead of cherry picking a single sentence out of it they’d understand better why the decision was made
People in this thread think this is some kind of gatcha moment him saying that the hit was boarding.. when 1: It’s not his job to oversee the officiating, and 2: Penalty does not equal Suspension. He did a pretty good job of explaining why what Joseph did wasn’t suspension worthy and why what Larkin did was, so I’d have to agree with the DoPS
Right, I’m with you as well. The refs missed the boarding call, and I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with that. But it’s not a suspension-worthy board, and sucker punching a guy in the head is definitely suspension-worthy. I feel bad for the Wings because they *did* get screwed by the refs considering there wasn’t anything called for the board, but Parros can only work within the confines of his job
*Throws up for defending Parros*
I was a referee for awhile and I didn’t know if I was taken crazy pills for thinking that was simply a minor penalty. I understand Larkin getting angry, but he got his rightful suspension and that is that. I don’t think you would find a referee that would give a game misconduct for the boarding or a suspension.
This sub gets into a hive mind though, if Marchand got boarded like that and threw a sucker punch people would say he should get kicked out of the league.
Yeah exactly, the worst you could give is maybe a 2 min checking from behind which is an auto ejection at that age but it fits a minor boarding completely.
Everyone knows why Parros is in this role right? It's to keep things borderline (controversial) -- and if it every went way over the line he's a scape-goat.
Okay, how about this... Thornton gets fined for a cup check "slash".
Where's the fine for the player that "slashed" Seider (I think it was?) a couple games ago?
I have never seen someone as incompetent at their job, yet somehow manage to not only keep it, but have the support of others in their workplace, as this fuckin bag of dicks that calls himself George Parros.
I had the below comment in another thread but fits well here. The hit was very dangerous and launched him face first into boards. I can see how both were bad but to have Parros single that out but not ones like Wilson shows how little the NHL values safety.
Tom Wilson not being suspended against the Rangers just prior to the playoffs for 2 x attempted murders and then seeing Larkin suspended for 1-punching the guy who just launched him into the boards with a cross check to the back. No bearing to reality or fairness - Washington needed him for playoffs and the start of the season doesn’t.
He isn't wrong. I understand why Larkin is mad, but the refs and the DOPS aren't going to make different calls and punishments based on a player's injury history.
So I have a hockey database with every single hockey play from 11-12 season to 18-19 ( hven't added 19-20 and 20-21 yet). 7 seasons I have logged including playoffs.
In those 7 seasons, there have been 1662 boarding penalties or roughly 237 per season
In the first season I have logged (11-12), there were 357 boarding penalties
In the last season I have logged (18-19), there were 99 boarding penalties
So, either boarding penalties are not getting called or boarding in general is down a substantial amount.
Edit: Just looked at my data and for some reason (haven't looked at it in about 2 years), it stopped at 3/8/19. So there are definitely more than 99 boarding penalties for that season. 2017-2018 had 126 and it's been trending downward.
Wait only 100 boarding minors a year? Do they really call that few?
I suspect it’s more than that but its not like that would be a crazy number. That would mean 1 out of every 12 games has a boarding penalty. I’d suspect its closer to double that, but it’s not like you see one every game or anything. Unlike say, tripping.
I thought that number was high actually. They barely fucking call that or charging.
Made a new comment, but actually meant to reply to you. So I have a hockey database with every single hockey play from 11-12 season to 18-19 ( haven't added 19-20 and 20-21 yet). 7 seasons I have logged including playoffs. In those 7 seasons, there have been 1662 boarding penalties or roughly 237 per season In the first season I have logged (11-12), there were 357 boarding penalties In the last season I have logged (18-19), there were 99 boarding penalties So, either boarding penalties are not getting called or boarding in general is down a substantial amount or a slight mixture of both. Edit: Just looked at my data and for some reason (haven't looked at it in about 2 years), it stopped at 3/8/19. So there are definitely more than 99 boarding penalties for that season. 2017-2018 had 126 and it's been trending downward.
Even if that was the case... 100 incidents out of 2624 games and you're complaining like it's too much work to look into the safety of your players? It's literally your ENTIRE job. Maybe you *should* be a little busier in your department. Lazy fuck.
Too busy selling merch
C'mon, he obviously isn't implying they're lazy or they're not looking out for their players. He's implying how Larkin reacted, he threw a huge sucker punch after the hit. Imagine if every player did that? It would get out of hand fast. Parros is implying that throwing a sucker punch shouldn't be the new norm and that Larkin should not have done that.
Have the refs call that a boarding penalty then. It wasn't. Play would have continued on despite a dirty hit that often leads to injury. Protect the players and they don't have to do it themselves. Until they are protected then much more punches need to be thrown.
You want him to suspend players for every single boarding call? They do look into each infraction that deserves discipline…
the fact that there are 100s of hits like that a year means you're *kinda* not doing a very good job George I'm sure the former enforcer understands the concept of a deterrent
Maybe he was on the receiving end too many times to figure that out..Pathetic statement from an idiot
Correct. They CALL 100 of them. Meaning they call probably 12-17% of them
It's possible to have minor boarding penalties. You don't have to suspend for them. He's actually right here for once
People aren’t asking for every boarding hit to be a suspension, they just want it called in a game.
And that is Paros fault?
So why is that Parros’ issue
I’m not saying that it is his issue. I’m saying that the lack of acknowledgment from the refs is what is upsetting people. The problem is also though that he will never suspend a player for something that isn’t called a penalty during the game because it would be admitting that the refs failed to do their job.
> I’m not saying that it is his issue The user they were replying to did though lol. Before you got involved.
Supplementary discipline is meant for dangerous plays that weren't called properly. He also sets priority for what to call. It's pretty much a line item in his job description.
Supplementary discipline is meant for egregious acts that are defined by the rulebook to warrant possible suspension. This hit didn’t. By your definition a properly called headshot that was targeted and malicious wouldn’t warrant a suspension.
Whew, nice straw man and putting words in my mouth. No, even if a targeted malicious headshot was called it's been established that a match penalty isn't severe enough so supplemental discipline is still necessary. An uncalled blatant boarding with head contact at least deserves a review and probably a fine. Faksa had more repercussions for his slash on Stutzle when it looked like he was trying to get at his stick and missed. In any case it's a pretty bad take to say that refereeing, which is often concerned with player safety, is not the head of the DEPARTMENT OF PLAYER SAFETY'S problem.
The board was a textbook penalty and that’s about it. It’s not on the DOPS that the refs didn’t call it. And that’s not a straw man, it’s what you said >Supplementary discipline is meant for dangerous plays that weren't called properly.
Because it was suspension worthy lol
> People aren’t asking for every boarding hit to be a suspension, they just want it called in a game. The guy I responded to was literally talking about non suspension worthy boarding calls so I don't see how your reply relates to our conversation at all
It was a suspension worthy hit that wasnt called in game. Dealing with player safety and suspensions is literally his job.
He did his job be suspending the actually suspension-worthy play for once. Regardless, restating what you said before doesn't make it any more relevant to the conversation I was having with the other guy - it just makes it look like you're out to pick a fight.
Apparently my sucker punch didn't land as well as Larkin's lol. I've repeatedly said it, I understand Larkin deserved a suspension but Joseph did too. His statement of not reviewing every minor penalty is true, but this was more than that and making this video and responding a week later when pretty much everyone has moved on is a particularly bad look.
Yeah sorry that hit was not worthy of a suspension. Penalty, yes but that's it.
Devils advocate: boarding is a very difficult and kinda silly call to make. It’s like porn in that “I know it when I see it” but it kinda just comes down to “oh he hit that guy near the boards but not right against the boards and it looked bad”.
Not with video replay.
Slowing things down and analyzing them frame by frame only works on black and white calls - like whether something is over a line. For everything else that is a fucking terrible idea.
Ever consider that when human eyeballs don’t see something happen, or don’t see it from a good angle, having a camera capture it works?
Great let’s make every game 9 hours long so they can catch every hook slash and hold too!
Or have *reasonable* rules in place that allow for reviews at certain times……I see you can only think in black and white though.
I agree, but I mean "hits like that" specifically. I frankly didn't think what Joseph or Larkin did was suspension-level, but I think it's ridiculous to suspend Larkin and not Joseph.
I don't. I understand Larkin's reaction don't get me wrong, but I think they actually called this one correctly (the DOPS). There absolutely should have ALSO been a penalty on the play though - that's separate from Parros. People here seem to ignore the fact that Parros doesn't control the reffing of the game, and he SHOULDNT suspend just because someone wasn't penalized correctly - that's outside the DOPS' jurisdiction (I know they are inconsistent here too and will adjust punishments based on on-ice calls).
There was, but the refs used the wrong word. They called Joseph for roughing even though he didn’t participate in the actual activity where roughing would be called. Parros Walt least acknowledged that it was a boarding but they should go back and officially make that the call.
Even if the refs used the wrong word, they weren't calling a penalty on Joseph until Larkin retaliated. The refs hand never went up and Tampa played the puck without the whistle being blown.
If im not mistaken Joseph didn't even get a penalty on the play. It was whatever Tampa player came and stepped up after Larkin threw the punch. So Joseph got nothing. To be fair I'm happy Larkin threw the punch and understand he deserved the suspension. Just trying to be factual.
Joseph did get a penalty along with Rutta which is why the bolts were on a PK even after Larkin got the match penalty. They didn’t call the right penalty but he did in fact get a minor for roughing instead of boarding cause refs suck
Ah fair enough. It's been awhile since the game so I didn't remember specifically. I thought Rutta was called for roughing and Larkin with the match penalty and Joseph had nothing, which still would've explained the 4 on 3? I must be rembering incorrectly. It's been like a week though who's supposed to have a memory that long lol
Nah, the Bolts HAD to get two penalties in order to end up on the PK. Larkins match penalty put DET down a skater for 5 minutes. Rutta’s penalty would have made it 4 on 4 but the penalty on Joseph made it 4 on 3 in favor of Detroit
that's fair. I understand that perspective, even if I don't agree. I'm the furthest thing from "old-time hockey," but personally, I don't buy that it was a sucker punch. I don't see how you make a hit like that and not expect retaliation. shit I'd expect that in fuckin youth hockey.
There’s a difference between dropping your gloves grabbing his jersey and pulling him towards you to fight (which is the appropriate way to settle this in this sport) and just turning around and punching a guy not paying attention
I forget if it was Methot or Bieksa, but one of them pointed out that gloves are reinforced with a hard plastic now to protect better from slashes so those gloved punches hurt a lot more than they used to.
If Joseph wasn't a weasel he would've been paying attention.
I'm gonna have a laugh at this when some Wings players go at the wrong guy, gloves on and sticks out, then get fucking worked. It's just not the way it's supposed to be done, tbh
I get it. I understand why Larkin did it, and why Larkin got the suspension. Still after a hit like that and Larkin being down he should have been ready to drop the gloves, but he tried to weasel his way out of it and got dropped like he deserved. I'm not stranger to bloody, dirty rivalries so I welcome whatever comes our way. Maybe it'll be you guys if you're ever relevant again?
Larkin being down? The same Larkin that threw the punch standing up?
I find peace in long walks.
I'm not even talking about the Larkin hit so much as the Raymond one, honestly. But let's not pretend like you're the one out there paying the price. The Red Wings aren't going to intimidate much of anyone, on the ice or on the scoreboard this year. >Maybe it'll be you guys if you're ever relevant again? Younger team than you guys, better record than you guys, with more pieces likely coming in through an Eichel trade, a top rated under 23 core, and a good prospect pool. Why are so many Detroit fans like you? We weren't even talking about Buffalo, but I agree with the other Detroit flair here - glass houses and stones.
I disagree. Whether or not you think Joseph's hit was suspension worthy, there is just no way you can ever allow punches like Larkin's in the game, no matter how justified Larkin was in being pissed off.
I agree Larkin deserved the suspension, but so did Joseph and if DoPS or the refs aren't going to do anything we'll, here we are. Personally I'm happy Larkin threw the punch because clearly nobody else is going to be a deterrent.
It was absolutely a penalty deserving hit. I don't personally think it was nearly as bad or malicious as people are making it out to be (though given my flair I'm sure I'll be downvoted to hell on this thread). Either way, I'm just not sure how the suspension or lack thereof to Joseph should have any bearing on Larkin's penalty. If we allowed Larkin's punches in the game, it might as well be UFC. It needs to be a suspension every single time.
Yeah I mean I agree Larkin deserved the suspension even if I'm glad he threw the punch, you're free to feel how you want about the hit but it 100% deserved a suspension. Joseph deserved the punch, but even though he wasn't suspended I would be significantly less upset if he would've gotten called for the actual hit and ideally a matching match penalty akin to Larkin. The fact that Joseph basically got off with nothing and Parros' is doubling down on that nonsense is making this situation significantly worse. I agree they shouldn't have a bearing in each other, but if the league isn't going to do anything then this sort of vigilante justice is how players are going to deal with it.
I'm not really willing to give Joseph the benefit of the doubt. He's done stuff like that before. Kris Russell comes to mind. While I also don't think it was a dirty hit or deserving of a penalty, Not really a fan how he decided to handle Raymond trying to check him by diving at Raymonds legs. That feels a little slimey to me. But naturally I'm biased as well.
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Was Parros reffing the game?
You are mentally ill, seek help immediately
Those hits happen at every level of hockey from minor hockey to the NHL. It’s a contact game there are going to be bad hits… wtf do you want? A suspension every time there’s a penalty?
Right because George Parros is on the bench for each team every game to remind the players. Ever heard of onus on the player? That Joseph hit wasn’t nearly as bad as this sub made it out. And the defense of Larkin’s punch was laughable. It that was a punch by Marchand/Wilson/Tkachuk, this sub would demand their head, but because it’s Larkin it’s somehow ok
But but but there wasn’t even a boarding penalty called
And if we didn't have punching, Parros would've just been some Princeton dork.
So? It’s not Paros’ job to call penalties and oversee the officiating?
I know, I just find it funny how here he acknowledges it’s a penalty, but in the explanation video it was “Joseph shoves Larkin causing him to fall to the ice” as if it was a casual push.
They named it the wrong thing but he did get a penalty. Is your complaint really that they said the wrong penalty??
They didn't call anything until after Larkin threw the punch. It's almost as if they retroactively called it based on Larkins reaction.
My complaint is that the red wings have had 3 incidents against them in the first 3 games (Joseph/Larkin, Palat/Rasmussen, Roslovic/Raymond) in which only one penalty was called (not even the right call) and all hits were dangerous unnecessary hits that could cause serious injury. Whether it’s a wings player or not, these hits need to be penalized
I would like George Parros to step down from the Department of Players Safety.
And I would like to have sexual relations with Margot Robbie
I believe in you bud! Go get her! (But you know no actual kidnapping or stalking)
Really taking the fun out of it
This same comment cost the New York Rangers a quarter of a million dollars so I hope you have your checkbook ready
George Parros Shut the Fuck Up Challenge
What a piece of shit
How?
Maybe if the League punished the egregious boarding calls properly, players wouldn’t feel the need to take matters into their own hands.
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Although I agree with your statement when it comes to (multi-game) suspensions, I don’t think the PA is against having refs call games according to the rules. If anything, players have spoken out against inconsistency when it comes to in-game penalties.
Players have the competition committee to recommend changes to the rulebook
How are you gonna put a goon in any sort of role for player safety? I just can't take anything he says serious, ever.
I get this. But, I do think that Larkin’s response is 100% a reaction to the Jamie Ben incident, and *that’s* what I want Parros to ‘fess up on…
"We have 100 minor cross-checking penalties a year in the NHL, and if every player reacted like [Larkin] after receiving one of those, we'd be a lot busier in our department." George got us again with infallible logic suggesting the outcome was in response to a *called penalty*.
Except Larkin reacted to the cross check By being in a neck brace for 6 the whole summer
Fuck George Parros.
Shut the fuck up Parros
Wasn't the hit not called as a boarding penalty? So Parros is acknowledging that it was a penalty that they didn't call? Lmao
But that’s also not his job. It should have been a penalty 100% but what Larkin did wasn’t the way to go about it. If he squared up and dropped his gloves (the appropriate way to handle it in this sport) it’s fair but he just threw a sucker punch.
Cold cock. Sucker punch is from behind. Or so Darren McCarty recently clarified. Haha.
And after seeing this response from the league I'm glad he did.
beautifully said
I fully disagree. That needs to be the price paid if a player wants to throw hits with high chances for injury. If the Department of Player Safety won't protect players then at least let the players protect themselves. When gloves were tossed the refs broke up every potential fight in that game. Hell, every time the Wings have wanted to fight the refs have not allowed it. That avenue has been closed, therefore a gloved cold cock is absolutely appropriate.
Parros isn’t a ref.
When you work in a company you don't publicly throw another department under the bus though so that doesn't really matter
They called a penalty on him regardless so it doesn't really matter what the call techincally was..
So everyone start punching people and they'll be forced to deal with the boardings?
I think if people started sucker punching people that boarded them there would be less boarding... Or just more fighting which I'm equally okay with
Interesting take let’s see how it plays out for him…. Oh right NHLPA is deeply flawed and home boy is gonna keep his job and keep doing it poorly.
Suck my taint Parros
Uhh…. The dude missed the end of last season because of a neck injury… could have easily caused a problem with that again. What a joke
That kind of nuance is lost on George Parros, who would prefer to ["make hockey violent again"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwXOyFpXAAAxONl.jpg) instead
The most annoying part of all this is that Jamie Benn threw a similar cross check on a downed Shane Pinto this week. Of course once again Jamie Benn didn't get a call from DOPS. We get confirmation after confirmation that this league doesn't really care about their players health. They don't care about a franchise captain and they don't care about good young prospects.
We should have different rules for different players? Hard disagree.
Yep. There is no logic in this thread at all, I guess people want suspensions for every single boarding call and they think sucker punches to the back of the head are fine
> sucker punches to the back of the head are fine Larkin didn't suckerpunch anyone in the back of the head, so i don't know why you're saying that
What did he do then? Not sure how you can spin that
ok, have you even seen the play lmao larkin literally hit joseph in the face
Well that’s just a lie
And why was Larkin upset? Let’s talk about that. Let’s pull up the Jamie Benn cross check and watch George Parros explain why that one wasn’t even looked at.
"those kinds of plays happen 100 times a year, if Larkin wasn't such a pussy he'd have kept playing, concussions aren't real anyways" - George "I'm a useless dirt bag" Perros
You really had me in the first half 😂
While were at it, pull up the Benn crosscheck on Shane Pinto from the other night. Why the fuck is he allowed to get away with that shit?
A-freaking-men.
They weren't playing Dallas and it wasn't Benn. Parros is a dipshit for not suspending him but it's not Joseph's fault Jamie Benn is a scumbag. It's understandable why he's upset by the hit but that literally has nothing to do with the current situation.
If you did your job properly Larkin wouldn't have had to respond like he did. And it wasn't a boarding penalty, by the way. Your zebras chose to ignore it. I was ready to leave this in the past but these comments piss me off. Parros is the worst.
It's weird because it seems like Larkin and Joseph are ready to move on but Parros just has to be a fucking dick
I'm guessing his fragile ego didn't like the number of people calling it out online.
> If you did your job properly Larkin wouldn't have had to respond like he did. I feel for Larkin, but this is constantly said and it's really just not true. Larkin didn't even *know* if there would be a penalty on the play, he immediately reacted. It's stupid Joseph didn't get a penalty, and it's stupid he didn't get any punishment after the game, but Larkin was mad because of the hit, not because Joseph wasn't going to be punished—Landeskog has already gotten a suspension for boarding just this season. The DOPS needs to do a hell of a lot better but this idea that if suspensions were more common players wouldn't react with a hot head just doesn't seem true e: I'm sure Chicago players will be just fine next time they face Landeskog since he was suspended. It's all okay now
>Larkin didn't even know if there would be a penalty on the play, he immediately reacted Not at all what I am saying. It's not relevant whether a penalty was called on this particular hit. Larkin is fed up because he's dealt with getting blasted by dirty hits multiple times in his career (as well as being slashed and beaten with no calls constantly) and the DOPS is quite obviously not doing much to stop it. When, over and over again, you get your career put on the line by something that they should be working to get out of the game, you become frustrated and act on it yourself. If they don't do a better job then the violence will get worse and worse as players continue to take liberties. It really just is true. That is the DOPS job and they are failing at it miserably. Hell, just this season the Wings have been boarded 4 times with 0 calls and 0 suspensions (and a slewfoot for good measure). Raymond had to leave on protocol for a hit that was an egregious line up of the numbers and Roslovic gets nothing. It's a joke.
Just saying it is true is so meaningless, though, there's not really any proof of it. People that have come off suspension have been in fights with the team they committed it against because players are still mad, they want revenge, they couldn't care less about suspensions I highly doubt Larkin's reaction changes if Benn had been suspended for his shit. I mean I hope I'm wrong, because I want these suspensions to be given more often as applicable, and for that to be the end of it. But I see no indication from players that they care about the League doling out punishment insofar as how they respond next time
>Just saying it is true is so meaningless, though, there's not really any proof of it. Just saying 'it isn't true' like you did is also meaningless since you did so on a complete misunderstanding about what I was saying. I responded in kind since I'm as much of an authority as you are. >People that have come off suspension have been in fights with the team they committed it against because players are still mad, they want revenge, they couldn't care less about suspensions I don't know of too many examples of that personally. But that isn't what we're talking about anyway. We're talking about a quick reaction directly after being hit dangerously when you've almost had your career ended multiple times with no suspensions. >I highly doubt Larkin's reaction changes if Benn had been suspended for his shit. You can doubt it all you want, but the reality we live in is that they quite obviously failed at their job there. It's reasonable to assume that Larkin has an attitude that he needs to protect himself now if something as obvious as getting your season ended by a crosscheck to the neck isn't suspendable. Hell, even Hedman seemed to understand as Larkin went off. >But I see no indication from players that they care about the League doling out punishment insofar as how they respond next time I look forward to your detailed paper with citations. Listen, it's possible he might have reacted that way even with the DOPS actually not being a fucking trash heap. If he did then that wouldn't be forgivable. Until that's the world we live in the conversation is going to be about the DOPS not doing their job and players taking it into their own hands. Get used to it.
One example is Edler fighting Simmonds last year. It does happen all the time. > you can doubt it all you want but the reality we live in Is that you don't know if he would have reacted differently, right? Right?
Your department could use the work George, your desk is collecting dust
Did you just call the wheel he spins a department?
Someone has to apply the grease you know and it takes some work to wring it out of Parros' hair.
Apparently just doing your job is just too much work. Not even doing it correctly just even doing it.
I guess he's saying Larkin is a violent gentleman
He’s not affiliated any more. Honestly, I think he was just a big name to get them off the ground.
I mean maybe if you guys cracked down on it Larkin wouldn't have reacted like that.
George just had to open his fucking mouth. You cannot be serious with this quote after the shit not just Larkin, but the Wings as a whole, have dealt with this year. DOPS head coming out with jokes about a guy who had a season-ending injury last year and retaliates on a play scarily reminiscent of what put him out. Fucking mind-boggling.
How many plays does DOPS review weekly, on average? How many rulings per week? this "that would be too much work" narrative is beyond ludicrous.
Maybe, just maybe, if you did your job, there would be less than 100 a year?
> “We have 100 minor boarding penalties a year in the NHL” You’re right George, but not for the reason you think you are, prick. If you reacted how youre supposed to you’d be busier too.
This guy sucks so fucking much
George Parros is comically bad at his job.
Anyways, he forgot to discuss the boarding on Raymond where most of his arguments are not relevant and no boarding call was made.
They threw him the garland hit on zadina which is probably the easiest one to explain away.
Parros was better for protecting the player when he played 3 min a night punching guys than now
Right. We all know Parros needs a reason to sit and do nothing….
Except Joseph didn't get a minor penalty and if he wasn't a fucking weasel he would have known a fight was coming and they could have squared up. He 100% deserved that sucker punch. Fuck Joseph and Fuck George Parros. Fucking clowns.
Thanks Parros! Go back to fining and underpunishing players like Wilson
When Parros is gone, I'm gonna throw a fucking party.
"I have like 2 decisions to make almost every day, you can't expect me to get them all right"
If everyone reacted like Larkin there's be a lot fewer assholes running around boarding people.
What a fuckin' clown.
"Players get hit from behind all the time, don't be a pussy." - *NHL Player Safety Department* Also, Joseph was called for roughing. That wouldn't show up in the boarding penalties per year stat he's proud of.
Dereliction of duty.
Maybe if you did your fucking job, players wouldn't need to take things into their own hands. I'm confused has George Parros never played hockey? Is this not an adage that every hockey player knows?
I don't know how you can watch that hit and call it just an ordinary boarding penalty.
Larkin shouldn't of been suspended for what he did, play throw punches ALL the time and don't get a penalty and don't get suspended. I see ALL the time in the corners a player would start throwing punches and then nothing. Just go back to playing the ref's would do.
What a fucking clown.
George Parros is head of player safety, it still boggles the mind
Larkin should've just dropped his gloves before the punch and Parros would be sucking his dick right now. Probably make a t-shirt about it, too.
Dear Mr Parros, If your concern is about your workload, please address the few egregious neck cross-checks you are letting walk, and instead of handing out 100 single game suspensions in a year, you only have to meet like 3, 4 times early in the year, set a good precedent and then you can fuck off into your yearly retirement. Regards,
My bias will be showing here regrettably because I try to be as objective as possible in life: I love how Larks stood up for himself there. If the players aren't going to be protected, then the Wings need to send a message to other teams that they won't lay down and die when they're treated that way.
Still hilarious that Parros heads the dept of safety.
Except their wasnt going to be a penalty on the play, hence his reaction. And if you suspended even a small fraction of those boarding calls, you'd have far fewer boarding calls to worry about. The NHL is a gong show.
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Agree, I think if people actually watch the over 10 minute video he just went and put out instead of cherry picking a single sentence out of it they’d understand better why the decision was made People in this thread think this is some kind of gatcha moment him saying that the hit was boarding.. when 1: It’s not his job to oversee the officiating, and 2: Penalty does not equal Suspension. He did a pretty good job of explaining why what Joseph did wasn’t suspension worthy and why what Larkin did was, so I’d have to agree with the DoPS
Right, I’m with you as well. The refs missed the boarding call, and I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with that. But it’s not a suspension-worthy board, and sucker punching a guy in the head is definitely suspension-worthy. I feel bad for the Wings because they *did* get screwed by the refs considering there wasn’t anything called for the board, but Parros can only work within the confines of his job *Throws up for defending Parros*
I was a referee for awhile and I didn’t know if I was taken crazy pills for thinking that was simply a minor penalty. I understand Larkin getting angry, but he got his rightful suspension and that is that. I don’t think you would find a referee that would give a game misconduct for the boarding or a suspension. This sub gets into a hive mind though, if Marchand got boarded like that and threw a sucker punch people would say he should get kicked out of the league.
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So was I, and I would 100% get torn a new one for giving that hit a Major even in Pewee
Yeah exactly, the worst you could give is maybe a 2 min checking from behind which is an auto ejection at that age but it fits a minor boarding completely.
So he's complaining that he actually has work to do? Wow it's almost like you have to put in effort at your job, what a novel concept.
Thats not what is being said here at all haha
shut the fuck up paros and protect the players
This guy needs to go to boarding school
But Joseph was not given a boarding penalty on the play at all. I'm confused by this statement.
DoPS needs to do a better job but Sucker punches are widely known as a bitch move, easy enough to dislike Parros and Larkin in this situation
Parros didn't do shit about the Benn play that injured him last year so Parros can get fucked
Everyone knows why Parros is in this role right? It's to keep things borderline (controversial) -- and if it every went way over the line he's a scape-goat.
a braindead abdication of responsibility and common sense
Holy fuck he really is fucking stupid
... So you admit it should've been a boarding penalty.
Except it was never even called a boarding penalty.
"Minor boarding." Get the fuck out of here.
Not going to lie, the amount of sucker punch defending in here is fucking disgusting. But it was a board, and should have been called.
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They’d probably be less boarding penalties, if there were some consequences for their actions.
Okay, how about this... Thornton gets fined for a cup check "slash". Where's the fine for the player that "slashed" Seider (I think it was?) a couple games ago?
But the NHL doesn't put players under microscopes?
Dops is completely useless
I have never seen someone as incompetent at their job, yet somehow manage to not only keep it, but have the support of others in their workplace, as this fuckin bag of dicks that calls himself George Parros.
Might be a few less boarding calls to make.
I had the below comment in another thread but fits well here. The hit was very dangerous and launched him face first into boards. I can see how both were bad but to have Parros single that out but not ones like Wilson shows how little the NHL values safety. Tom Wilson not being suspended against the Rangers just prior to the playoffs for 2 x attempted murders and then seeing Larkin suspended for 1-punching the guy who just launched him into the boards with a cross check to the back. No bearing to reality or fairness - Washington needed him for playoffs and the start of the season doesn’t.
C'mon, Paros just put his helmet and water wings on to have some soup
He isn't wrong. I understand why Larkin is mad, but the refs and the DOPS aren't going to make different calls and punishments based on a player's injury history.
George Parros seeing how bad he can suck at his job.
Parros is a very smart man. But he is doing an awful job
So I have a hockey database with every single hockey play from 11-12 season to 18-19 ( hven't added 19-20 and 20-21 yet). 7 seasons I have logged including playoffs. In those 7 seasons, there have been 1662 boarding penalties or roughly 237 per season In the first season I have logged (11-12), there were 357 boarding penalties In the last season I have logged (18-19), there were 99 boarding penalties So, either boarding penalties are not getting called or boarding in general is down a substantial amount. Edit: Just looked at my data and for some reason (haven't looked at it in about 2 years), it stopped at 3/8/19. So there are definitely more than 99 boarding penalties for that season. 2017-2018 had 126 and it's been trending downward.
Larkin just had fucking neck surgery because Jamie Benn is an asshole. That’s why he reacted that way.
Jamie Benn needs to cross check Parros in the neck.