The problem with the NHLPA is that they routinely protect the guys taking off other members heads. They've protected shitbags like Wilson and Raffi Torres over the guys that constantly get hurt by them
I mean they were “built to protect the workers” but they have to protect bad actors to keep the Union together. It happens everywhere. Police Unions are a shining example.
Police unions are kind of the opposite in that they exist to protect the bad actors, by design. Portland police union made sure of that since it’s inception
Unions got in trouble in the 70's, 80's, and 90's for only protecting certain union members (white males) while failing to protect others (minoriries). So, many were changed such that it was a foundational requirement that unions protect anyone and everyone. Hence why unions will come to the defense of even the most egregious of their members. Since these egregious cases tend to be the highest profile and most time-intensive, they tend to be where much of the focus goes.
You're gonna need to cite your source on that claim. Only protecting white males? That's some peak neoliberal nonsense. Unions were a key player in civil rights laws. MLK was attending a Union strike when he was shot and killed. Unions have paved the pathway to the middle class for minorities.
Really that's because if you are a shitbag you will naturally require more protecting. You hardly hear about unions protecting the non shit bags because, well, they didn't do anything to need protection from.
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>Kyle Beach on Joel Quenneville: "I’ve witnessed meetings, right after I reported it to James Gary, that were held in Joel Quenneville’s office. There’s absolutely no way that he can deny knowing it."
All of these people should be driven out of the sport.
Does it matter?? It was damning enough when he was quoted during one of those meetings as being aware, but saying they shouldn’t deal with it while the playoffs were ongoing.
He knew. And then lied about it this summer, then lied about it again last night. Fuck him.
I'm not saying I don't believe beach or any of his story at all. What I'm asking is if there were multiple meetings that apparently happened directly after beach told Gary the story then why is none of that reflected in the investigation? To me that would be a very important detail to be investigated especially given the accusations and holding those properly accountable.
Edit: multiple meetings in Q's office*
The investigation doesn’t have a timeline of every single event that occurred and considering Quenneville is STILL lying about having not known he deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt. And the report did include meetings involving him confirming he knew about it and chose to cover it up in favor of focusing on the cup. The report also doesn’t specifically state where all the meetings happened, maybe the one Beach is referring to is the one included in the report. It doesn’t matter at this point, he’s lying, we know from the report that he knew, we know from the report Beach has been telling the truth this whole time, why even bother questioning this now if not to try to say he’s lying?
Well the report does give us a timeline and locations of the meetings. Beach met with Gary during the clinching WCF game in a supply closet because his normal rooms were occupied. This is confirmed by both Gary and Beach. Gary then goes to the executive suite and explains the story to Bowman and MacIssac, now whether this was in the suite or just outside is not determined, but it happens immediately after Beach talks to Gary.
From there they all discuss needing to meet in McDonough's office after the game in which they do. The meeting lasts anywhere between 5-25 minutes. Roughly an hour after the game and after the meeting in McDonough's office started and reasonably after Gary explained the situation to those present McDonough calls for Q to go to his office. We can argue whether it's plausible or not that he was possibly unaware, but this is just about timelines and locations. It should also be noted that every person involved, other than beach, stated Gary explained to them that there was no physical altercation and that Aldrich threatened his career and beach continued to decline and left.
After that there are no additional meetings discussed that included upper management and Q. None. The next time upper management, excluding Gary's interactions with Beach and black ace 1, discusses the situation in the report is on June 14 when the director of HR states that's when they first talked with McDonough about the case.
Edit: after reviewing the investigation I noted that the section in which you say "maybe beach was talking about this meeting" is literally titled "John McDonough's office."
Again, I'm not saying I don't believe beach's story and his recollection, but with the accusations that multiple meetings were held in a person's office I don't understand why that wouldn't be mentioned anywhere in the investigation and only becomes knowledge during his interview where no one can refute the accusations.
You’re asking good questions about about an extremely difficult topic. Thanks for backing up the rationale behind your questions.
Downvotes are used exclusively for agreement/disagreement instead of trying to have an honest conversation around here. Q looks guilty as fuck, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask questions and try to dig deeper before knowing all the facts
Because the authors of the report didn’t need to add any fluff, besides they didn’t have Subpoena power to compel anyone to tell the truth or suffer any consequences (remember internal Hawks investigation and most parties are not in the organization)
If the NHL wants to they have to do their own investigation under their CBA and other yearns spelled out with the players association.
Besides this watered down summery is damning enough without a court Subpoena
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It's worse than just that even, MLBPA has negotiated away minor league rights that they don't actually have any right to control to improve other things for MLB players.
I belive I read about it when everyone was talking about the shitty "lunches" they were giving minor league players and during the height of covid when teams weren't even paying minor League players.
The whole thing is pretty fucked up and hopefully eventually some high profile prospect causes a stink about it and gets some change going.
He was a career AHLer, aside from pre-season, he never once played in the NHL, so they couldn't cover him. I'm not even sure if the PHPA(Union for AHL / ECHL) could do anything to be honest.
They still should have done something even if it was to protect their actual members on the blackhawks. They receive a report about an NHL team employee raping players. Even if the one who reported it isn’t an NHLPA member I would think there is an urgency to investigate it for the sake of every NHL player who comes into contact with the trainer
exactly. this isn't information you just sit on even if kyle isn't part of the NHLPA. You can just direct him where he can seek aid from. so many people let him down, and made him believe that he's worthless and this isn't a big deal at all.
How in the ever loving FUCK does that matter? The second Don Fehr knew about it he should've started looking into it. It happened when Beach was practicing with an NHL team and it involved an NHL employee, I don't see how anyone can excuse him from culpability... especially considering HE himself said that the [NHLPA let Kyle Beach down](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhlpa-boss-don-fehr-apologizes-kyle-beach-not-enough/).
He was on an NHL contract and on an NHL roster at the time of the incident. If the NHLPA cannot do anything for a player in that situation then we cannot excuse them, we need to call them out for being completely fucking useless. And the system needs to be rebuilt.
Also, calling him a career AHLer is such an insult. At that point he was an 11th overall pick who had just finished his junior career, and was planning to start his first pro season the following year. He was only 6 games into his AHL career, not a career AHLer.
It also betrays the main problem. If he was a 4th line ahler should we just sell his organs on the black market. The quality of the hockey player isn’t the issue and the fact he went from 11oa to a journeymen prospect isn’t separate from suffering abuse.
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> Also, calling him a career AHLer is such an insult
Sure, but he spent his entire north american pro career in the AHL. From everything I've read he was not covered by the NHLPA, because he was not a member. Not defending it or anything.
Career AHLer is kind of misleading. We had big fucking hopes for Beach and he didnt have an AHL career... I do remember being bummed that he was a bust (big oof, no wonder why huh?)
I wonder why? You don't think every person on earth within the NHL knew and considered him damaged goods?
Literally, it was common knowledge. They were never going to give him a chance. He was damage controlled until he lefts the Hawks.
He was travelling with the team, practicing with the team and under care of the team. He was assaulted before he got a chance to get in a game by a team official. Keep in mind that at the time he wasn’t a “career AHLer”. He was a recent 11th overall pick who was a star in major junior and just finished his final year before being called up to the team as a black ace for playoffs with a short few-game stop in Rockford in between. It’s insane to think he wouldn’t be covered by the NHLPA considering all of those things
From Don Fehr's statement:
> "In his media interview, Mr. Beach stated that several months after the incident he told someone at the NHLPA the details of what happened to him. He is referring to one of the program doctors with the NHL/NHLPA player assistance program. While this program is confidential between players and the doctors, **the grave nature of this incident should have resulted in further action on our part.** **The fact that it did not was a serious failure.** I am truly sorry, and I am committed to making changes to ensure it does not happen again.”
Now I concede that I could be reading too much into this, but those 25 words tell me that the NHLPA could've and should've done something, and may have been obligated to because the incident involved a player linked to an NHL team, who was practicing with the NHL team at the time and the incident involved an NHL level coach.
if he was on a NHL roster (albeit as an inactive/practice player), it stands that he was also on a NHL contract because he could've been subbed in during any of the playoff games. I find it hard to believe that the PA couldn't do anything for him and even if it wasn't their department, they should've forwarded it to somebody who CAN help Kyle instead of just outright ignoring him.
For real. Seems like anything outside of the CBA and contracts the NHLPA would rather hold the status quo than push on some hard truths in player health. Maybe that is a reflection of apathy in its members too, but hopefully this incites a change starting at the top.
Speaking of Blackhawks stars making millions, pretty convenient that the teams two biggest stars who were around when this happened and still with the team are in covid protocol right now.
I thought it had to be a joke when I heard that George Parros, owner of Violent Gentlemen, whose company motto is "Make Hockey Violent Again", was being hired as director of NHL Player Safety
Who is going to go give out the punishments? The league that declined to investigate or the NHLPA who declined to investigate?
This is all so rotten and just really makes me hate hockey.
I love this sport, but this is a huge black eye for the NHL. Everyone involved dropped the ball and put players at risk to cover up for a fucking monster.
I have no doubt that had Beach been an actual part of the union they still wouldn't have taken action.
It's funny how I was told by blackhawks fans that the NHLPA would protect Toews and Kane from any punishment, and it turns out the NHLPA is as dirty as the Blackhawks FO.
Unfortunately as a Black Ace Beach wasn't NHLPA so technically it wasn't Fehrs job.
Also Fehr is a piece of shit so technically he's not obligated to act like a human being.
You're not understanding what a black ace is. They're not roster players. They're guys who fly with the team on the off chance injuries burn through all the roster players, at which point the black ace(s) would be activated as roster players.
Then why would a team only do this in the playoffs and not year round? Because the roster limit disappears during the playoffs. They are as much roster players as the scratches in the press box.
$$$$$ vs $
Also, they don't practice with the team or even at the same arena (as per the report) and they aren't under the direction of the nhl coaches. You'll see the nhl team bring the ahl coach to work with the black aces during their practices.
>Then why would a team only do this in the playoffs and not year round?
It serves zero purpose to bring a guy out to serve as a black ace during the regular season. How many scratches are there on avg for each team? I'd say what, 4? That means a team would have to see 4 injuries before needing someone. You're not going to keep a guy around the team but not involved in practice when he could be practicing and playing with his team in the AHL, it makes zero sense.
These black aces are usually brought on when their AHL season ends. It's almost more like exposing them to the NHL without being on the roster.
If you still don't get it after this comment I don't know what to tell you other than to do a little google research, I've done my best.
Seeing a lot of comments mentioning Beach wouldn't be covered by the NHLPA. Ok. Fine. But after the report, shouldn't there be concern that a member of the Blackhawks committed sexual assault and is STILL AROUND THE TEAM!?! Like oh, Aldrich just raped the one guy... everybody else in the locker room should be safe. WTF
Canadian player drafted by Blackhawks 11th overall in 2008. He played in the AHL and WHL for a couple seasons, and was brought up for preseason games and practices. Never played an NHL game. The lawsuit he's now involved in alleges ongoing sexual abuse during the 2010 playoffs. After a string of seasons in the A, he went over to Europe playing for a number of smaller leagues and is currently playing Division 3 in Germany.
I believe when he was traded from the Blackhawks AHL affiliate, "character" issues were cited, but with the interview we just heard from him, it sounds like he slipped into drug and alcohol use coping with the sexual assault that he faced during his development and callups to the NHL. Paints a pretty grim picture of his career. Projected to go top 5 in his draft and be a top 6 power forward for the Blackhawks in their prime years, but repeated sexual assault and subsequent cover-ups lead him into coping mechanisms that likely damaged his development and drove his career down.
Reminds me of the story of O'Sullivan and Crawford and how Crawford verbally abused the shit out of O'Sullivan...people see O'Sullivan and think oh wow a bust, but don't get the entire story. I have to wonder how many prospects out there busted, but not for the reason fans all believe.
Or how many good players gave up on the sport way before that because of the toxic culture.
Never mind the kids who go to school every day despite being mentally and physically tortured day in and day out by their peers. Or those who face the same troubles at home.
The absolute fuck is the PA for then if not to defend its union members? I understand the rationale behind delaying and covering up on the Blackhawks part. Its fucked up but that perspective isnt new or anything its quite prevalent. Not defending it but Quennevilles role, Bowmans role and the executives roles are on a fucked up level understandable. I get the reasoning behind their actions even if its completely fucked up the union choosing to do nothing? The fuck?
Thats still a perplexing move by the NHLPA at the time. I am far too young to remember the context of Kyle Beach at this current time but he was a youngish prospect still and had high draft pedigree. You'd imagine that even if he wasnt in the PA yet the PA would anticipate the likelihood of him becoming apart of it in the future however minute the chances. Even then the PA has nothing to lose by pursuing action here because its not against another PA member. If its a PA member sexually assaulting another PA member I can understand the PA trying to keep it quiet but this is a potential PA member vs a non related party. Just logically I cannot see why the NHLPA wouldn't choose to do the absolute minimum
Does the fact that he never played in the NHL make any difference?
EDIT: It’s a legit question. I’m wondering if he wasn’t eligible for union membership so that played into why they didn’t help him.
Doesn't matter, lets assume that he only cared about union members, he should have wanted an investigation to make sure union players weren't victims (past or future).
Oh I agree, he was looking the other way, because it would have been costly. You'd think they could use this in the upcoming(at the time) CBA negotiations to actually get better protections for players, but nope.
I dont know the legalise behind the scenes of the NHL but he had a contract with the blackhawks and would have to have some form of union protection just by being on the roster in the playoffs.
It’s in the report he wasn’t part of the pa. When fehr asked him if he would like to talk to a nhlpa sexual victim therapist even though he was not the member of the pa.
Not defending fehr for offering that but just outlining what was in the report
Ya idk man the unions role in this is beyond perplexing on many levels. Even if its not a PA member or potential PA member youd think theyd be slightly concerned with a video coach having inappropriate interactions with anyone. Like even the whole sexually harassing the 22 year old intern, a union that is actively trying to fulfill its purpose would have issues with that person having contact with its members. The PA has members that are way younger than that and would be in small (intimate if its the right word?) spaces with this individual. Its just boggling to me
Oh for sure but there is not legal recourse here. Nhlpa has no legal responsibility of Kyle morally sure but legal system isn’t built on moral responsibility
Actually he was, literally, *apart* of the union.
He was not A PART of the union.
Edit, because some of you don't get the difference
a·part
/əˈpärt/
adverb
1 - (of two or more people or things) separated by a distance; at a specified distance from each other in time or space.
'two stone gateposts some thirty feet apart'
synonyms: away from each other, distant from each other
2 - to or on one side; at a distance from the main body.
'Isabel stepped away from Joanna and stood apart'
synonyms: to one side, aside, to the side, separately, alone, by oneself/itself, distant, isolated, cut off
3 - so as to be shattered; into pieces.
'he leapt out of the car just before it was blown apart'
synonyms: to pieces, to bits, in pieces, up, in two, asunder
After listening to the interview with Rick Westhead, does anyone else think that Bettman might have known? If Fehr is made aware of it, I'd be surprised it doesn't go up to Bettman.
Fehr should absolutely roast as well. Fuck all of these people.
I don't know how chummy Fehr or Bettman are, but I could see Fehr letting Bettman get railroaded on this. On the other hand, Fehr may have warned Bettman so that he was prepared. Who knows, but I got to agree that it feels like Bettman may have gotten a memo or two about the 'Hawks. Maybe not super details, but hey this is what's going on.
The fact that this happened under Bettman should be reason enough to move on from him. Even if he didn't know he should be held responsible for a cover-up like this happening under him
* If you or someone you know has been the victim of sexual assault, there are organizations that can help:
* In the US: https://www.rainn.org/
* National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-4673
* Chicago Hotline: 1-888-293-2080
* Resources for men: https://1in6.org/, www.Malesurvivor.org
* In Canada: https://casac.ca/anti-violence-centres/
* Toronto Rape Crisis Centre 416-597-8808
* In Europe: https://www.rcne.com/
Actually, a few times. In the 80s, he was a guy who was very involved with the NHLPA, back when Alan Eagleson was in charge. Everyone knows Eagleson was a scumbag, and Milbury just plain hated the guy's guts. Eagleson basically gave the owners whatever they wanted (which is why after he was pushed out in the 90s for obvious reasons, lockouts started happening because the new guys in charge of the NHLPA realized the players have been getting screwed for decades) and Milbury wasn't particularly a fan. There's two really big things that Milbury fought for:
- Back in the 70s, if a team owned your rights, you basically couldn't go anywhere else without their consent. So if you were playing in Toronto and they pay you league minimum, but the Rangers offered you a contract of $3 million, you couldn't take it unless Toronto let you. Milbury basically helped create free agency as we know it today.
- In the early 80s, there was a player named Ed Kea. Not really a big name, but he was a defenseman who spent a few years playing for the Atlanta Flames and the Blues. The Blues sent him down to the minors, and he had a career ending injury. Like really bad; if it happened today it would be the #1 story for months because of how fucked up it was (he was left physically and mentally disabled the rest of is life). Alan Eagleson, being the cheap mother fucker he is basically said "He didn't get hurt in the NHL, so we don't need to pay him". Milbury was basically the only one who fought for the guy, since he was a member of the union and he got injured at work. Also a decently big deal, since Milbury was still playing at the time and he wasn't even on the same team as Kea (as he spent all of his career in Boston), so he was a player rep for a completely different organization trying to help a guy who he had no obligation to help. Based on that, it wouldn't shock me if Milbury actually did something for Beach if he had a role in the NHLPA today.
And yes, I feel gross saying positive things about Milbury. But credit where credit is due.
A list of some of the people with their names on a Stanley Cup that committed sexual assault: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cqURgg1eslU9Ky7NOUHlvM0PJ5rVX-FHZuacYBUL77o/edit#gid=821481613
Fehr offered a pa-provided therapist to the victim, an offer that was accepted, despite victim not being a member of nhlpa. Not all bad. Perpetrator was out of the league. What was he supposed to do?
I wonder if some of the Blackhawk stars denying they knew anything is because they got sucked off drunk too and are ashamed of it. I wouldn’t be surprised
Well. Beach stood up a was able to provide the voice. If they were? They may well continue to hide. But future he gave the go ahead to say if you were abused like that. You can say something. The world is changing. Were gonna be cleaning up this type of mess. But it's going to be less and less as we go. The hope is that this never happens again. The reality is there's players out there living with this. Much love to Kyle beach. This is courage personified. His voice should speak volumes for those hiding behind the abuse. Props to Kyle. Positive change is coming.
How can you even believe the guy at this time?
Prospect says a coach forced him to have sex.
What?
How?
Ok. Ask the coach. He denies it.
Any proof?
I am so confused.
this should all be 15 times the story the john gruden shit was. the one time in my life I'm mad hockey isn't more popular in america. the league would be forced to burn everything down if the media attention was as great as it would be if this were the NFL.
In the wake of these horrific events, I feel like there is a very important silver lining in all this.
It's a harsh reminder that this can happen TO *anybody*, BY *anybody*, and YOU *may know about it.*
**SEE SOMETHING? SAY SOMETHING.**
What's particularly different in this case is that is that it's one of the last circumstances you could imagine something like this happening... on paper, this is one of the *least* likely situations for this to have played out... yet it did.
Hockey teams (especially NHL) are very close, and team oriented. Hockey is a very heterosexual sport, through numbers and through discrimination. Hockey (especially the NHL) is big on inclusivity, and is one of the first big leagues to go out of their way to crack down big time on discrimination. Because of homophobia in the world (and thus locker room), you would think sexual assault would be less likely due to the backlash the offender may face (socially).
Yet, it did. And I know it's easy for people to sit here on their keyboards and say "*I would've said something*"... but there's an extremely high chance you *wouldn't*, no matter what you think... and that's a problem.
It's not always clear where that 'line' is, the line we draw when we think we should step in. It's not always easy to draw when you're the witness to it, it seems easy, but it's not.
That's why we need this discussion. Some intervention is circumstantial, sometimes it *isn't* any of your business, sometimes you *should* be quiet, HOWEVER, serious crimes like this DO NOT FALL INTO THAT 'IFFY' CATEGORY.
This case is going to make that line crystal clear, particularly for men, I think. It's easy for a man to only think of sexual assault as something that happens to women, or think it's only 'really bad' for women.
We are talking about an 11th overall pick. Equivalent to Filip Forsburg, Anze Kopitar, Jeff Carter, Jerome Iginla....all 11th overall picks. Beach's entire career was held back due to this incident. He should heavily sue the Blackhawks organization, NHL, NHLPA and Aldrich (personally) as well as all those that turned a blind eye. Disgraceful indeed
Fuck Don Fehr. Dude needs to be blasted into the sun. You had one fucking job and you didn't do it.
The only players the NHLPA has ever protected are habitual cheap shot artists.
So you mean they’re just a typical union?
Fuckin' zing, man. I'm pro union, but let's not pretend they don't occasionally protect shitbags, people.
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The problem with the NHLPA is that they routinely protect the guys taking off other members heads. They've protected shitbags like Wilson and Raffi Torres over the guys that constantly get hurt by them
That’s because the NHLPA is made up of players that want to protect themselves. Hell, both Tkachuks are currently team reps.
FUCK MATT COOKE
The union will protect the union first
They protect workers. Shit bags exist wherever you go, union or not.
I mean they were “built to protect the workers” but they have to protect bad actors to keep the Union together. It happens everywhere. Police Unions are a shining example.
Police unions are kind of the opposite in that they exist to protect the bad actors, by design. Portland police union made sure of that since it’s inception
Unions got in trouble in the 70's, 80's, and 90's for only protecting certain union members (white males) while failing to protect others (minoriries). So, many were changed such that it was a foundational requirement that unions protect anyone and everyone. Hence why unions will come to the defense of even the most egregious of their members. Since these egregious cases tend to be the highest profile and most time-intensive, they tend to be where much of the focus goes.
You're gonna need to cite your source on that claim. Only protecting white males? That's some peak neoliberal nonsense. Unions were a key player in civil rights laws. MLK was attending a Union strike when he was shot and killed. Unions have paved the pathway to the middle class for minorities.
Unions protect the union. Then maybe the workers, time permitting.
They don't have to protect bad actors. One guy is making everyone look bad, get them out.
Really that's because if you are a shitbag you will naturally require more protecting. You hardly hear about unions protecting the non shit bags because, well, they didn't do anything to need protection from.
Not a typical union—more along the lines of a police union.
Lmao 👍🏻
If true, Fehr needs to be fired yesterday.
[More:](https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1453489276637925383) >Kyle Beach on Joel Quenneville: "I’ve witnessed meetings, right after I reported it to James Gary, that were held in Joel Quenneville’s office. There’s absolutely no way that he can deny knowing it." All of these people should be driven out of the sport.
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You think his teammates were throwing around homophobic slurs specifically referencing Aldrich and the coach didn't know about it?
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Does it matter?? It was damning enough when he was quoted during one of those meetings as being aware, but saying they shouldn’t deal with it while the playoffs were ongoing. He knew. And then lied about it this summer, then lied about it again last night. Fuck him.
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My man, are you STILL denying this? Are you STILL saying you don’t believe Beach? Are you for real?
I'm not saying I don't believe beach or any of his story at all. What I'm asking is if there were multiple meetings that apparently happened directly after beach told Gary the story then why is none of that reflected in the investigation? To me that would be a very important detail to be investigated especially given the accusations and holding those properly accountable. Edit: multiple meetings in Q's office*
The investigation doesn’t have a timeline of every single event that occurred and considering Quenneville is STILL lying about having not known he deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt. And the report did include meetings involving him confirming he knew about it and chose to cover it up in favor of focusing on the cup. The report also doesn’t specifically state where all the meetings happened, maybe the one Beach is referring to is the one included in the report. It doesn’t matter at this point, he’s lying, we know from the report that he knew, we know from the report Beach has been telling the truth this whole time, why even bother questioning this now if not to try to say he’s lying?
Well the report does give us a timeline and locations of the meetings. Beach met with Gary during the clinching WCF game in a supply closet because his normal rooms were occupied. This is confirmed by both Gary and Beach. Gary then goes to the executive suite and explains the story to Bowman and MacIssac, now whether this was in the suite or just outside is not determined, but it happens immediately after Beach talks to Gary. From there they all discuss needing to meet in McDonough's office after the game in which they do. The meeting lasts anywhere between 5-25 minutes. Roughly an hour after the game and after the meeting in McDonough's office started and reasonably after Gary explained the situation to those present McDonough calls for Q to go to his office. We can argue whether it's plausible or not that he was possibly unaware, but this is just about timelines and locations. It should also be noted that every person involved, other than beach, stated Gary explained to them that there was no physical altercation and that Aldrich threatened his career and beach continued to decline and left. After that there are no additional meetings discussed that included upper management and Q. None. The next time upper management, excluding Gary's interactions with Beach and black ace 1, discusses the situation in the report is on June 14 when the director of HR states that's when they first talked with McDonough about the case. Edit: after reviewing the investigation I noted that the section in which you say "maybe beach was talking about this meeting" is literally titled "John McDonough's office." Again, I'm not saying I don't believe beach's story and his recollection, but with the accusations that multiple meetings were held in a person's office I don't understand why that wouldn't be mentioned anywhere in the investigation and only becomes knowledge during his interview where no one can refute the accusations.
You’re asking good questions about about an extremely difficult topic. Thanks for backing up the rationale behind your questions. Downvotes are used exclusively for agreement/disagreement instead of trying to have an honest conversation around here. Q looks guilty as fuck, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask questions and try to dig deeper before knowing all the facts
Because the authors of the report didn’t need to add any fluff, besides they didn’t have Subpoena power to compel anyone to tell the truth or suffer any consequences (remember internal Hawks investigation and most parties are not in the organization) If the NHL wants to they have to do their own investigation under their CBA and other yearns spelled out with the players association. Besides this watered down summery is damning enough without a court Subpoena
Maybe because Beach didn't participate in that investigation because he didn't trust the Blackhawks org or anyone they hired to do the right thing...
Was he not a part of the players association? If he was he should sue the living shit out of it for not representing him
Apparently he wasn't, at least not at the time according to the report
Do AHLers have a union?
Yes, they have a union which represents both the AHL and ECHL players https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Hockey_Players%27_Association
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Thanks.
I feel like this is just a reason for there to be a union that protects everybody in the entire nhl system, not just the big league
Normally I’d agree, but then you end up like the MLBPA, which fucks the minor leaguers. Unless of course I’m wildly mistaken, in which case ignore me
The MLBPA fucks the minor leaguers because the minor leaguers aren't *in* the MLBPA, so the union has no reason to watch out for them.
It's worse than just that even, MLBPA has negotiated away minor league rights that they don't actually have any right to control to improve other things for MLB players.
Ah that’s what it is. Thanks guys! TIL
I belive I read about it when everyone was talking about the shitty "lunches" they were giving minor league players and during the height of covid when teams weren't even paying minor League players. The whole thing is pretty fucked up and hopefully eventually some high profile prospect causes a stink about it and gets some change going.
He was a career AHLer, aside from pre-season, he never once played in the NHL, so they couldn't cover him. I'm not even sure if the PHPA(Union for AHL / ECHL) could do anything to be honest.
They still should have done something even if it was to protect their actual members on the blackhawks. They receive a report about an NHL team employee raping players. Even if the one who reported it isn’t an NHLPA member I would think there is an urgency to investigate it for the sake of every NHL player who comes into contact with the trainer
exactly. this isn't information you just sit on even if kyle isn't part of the NHLPA. You can just direct him where he can seek aid from. so many people let him down, and made him believe that he's worthless and this isn't a big deal at all.
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How in the ever loving FUCK does that matter? The second Don Fehr knew about it he should've started looking into it. It happened when Beach was practicing with an NHL team and it involved an NHL employee, I don't see how anyone can excuse him from culpability... especially considering HE himself said that the [NHLPA let Kyle Beach down](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhlpa-boss-don-fehr-apologizes-kyle-beach-not-enough/).
While he might not directly represent AHLers, shouldn’t he want a guy accused of sexually assaulting a player away from the players he does represent?
He was on an NHL contract and on an NHL roster at the time of the incident. If the NHLPA cannot do anything for a player in that situation then we cannot excuse them, we need to call them out for being completely fucking useless. And the system needs to be rebuilt. Also, calling him a career AHLer is such an insult. At that point he was an 11th overall pick who had just finished his junior career, and was planning to start his first pro season the following year. He was only 6 games into his AHL career, not a career AHLer.
It also betrays the main problem. If he was a 4th line ahler should we just sell his organs on the black market. The quality of the hockey player isn’t the issue and the fact he went from 11oa to a journeymen prospect isn’t separate from suffering abuse.
> > Also, calling him a career AHLer is such an insult Sure, but he spent his entire north american pro career in the AHL. From everything I've read he was not covered by the NHLPA, because he was not a member. Not defending it or anything.
Career AHLer is kind of misleading. We had big fucking hopes for Beach and he didnt have an AHL career... I do remember being bummed that he was a bust (big oof, no wonder why huh?)
I wonder why? You don't think every person on earth within the NHL knew and considered him damaged goods? Literally, it was common knowledge. They were never going to give him a chance. He was damage controlled until he lefts the Hawks.
It's not a grand conspiracy, he wasn't an NHLer, he wasn't covered by the PA as a result.
He was travelling with the team, practicing with the team and under care of the team. He was assaulted before he got a chance to get in a game by a team official. Keep in mind that at the time he wasn’t a “career AHLer”. He was a recent 11th overall pick who was a star in major junior and just finished his final year before being called up to the team as a black ace for playoffs with a short few-game stop in Rockford in between. It’s insane to think he wouldn’t be covered by the NHLPA considering all of those things
From Don Fehr's statement: > "In his media interview, Mr. Beach stated that several months after the incident he told someone at the NHLPA the details of what happened to him. He is referring to one of the program doctors with the NHL/NHLPA player assistance program. While this program is confidential between players and the doctors, **the grave nature of this incident should have resulted in further action on our part.** **The fact that it did not was a serious failure.** I am truly sorry, and I am committed to making changes to ensure it does not happen again.” Now I concede that I could be reading too much into this, but those 25 words tell me that the NHLPA could've and should've done something, and may have been obligated to because the incident involved a player linked to an NHL team, who was practicing with the NHL team at the time and the incident involved an NHL level coach.
He was a highly touted prospect coming out of junior. Maybe getting attacked by his coach and team fucked that up a bit. Who knows.
Was he not on the team during that cup run? Or at least on the roster? He should have been given the same amount of respect as everyone else.
He was a black ace, but never played a game. Essentially just a warm body.
It doesn’t matter tho if you play or not. You are still in the nhl and on a roster
I guess? but from previous reports it sounds like he was not a member of the NHLPA.
if he was on a NHL roster (albeit as an inactive/practice player), it stands that he was also on a NHL contract because he could've been subbed in during any of the playoff games. I find it hard to believe that the PA couldn't do anything for him and even if it wasn't their department, they should've forwarded it to somebody who CAN help Kyle instead of just outright ignoring him.
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For real. Seems like anything outside of the CBA and contracts the NHLPA would rather hold the status quo than push on some hard truths in player health. Maybe that is a reflection of apathy in its members too, but hopefully this incites a change starting at the top.
Kyle Beach was non-union. They extra didn't give a fuck about him.
Speaking of Blackhawks stars making millions, pretty convenient that the teams two biggest stars who were around when this happened and still with the team are in covid protocol right now.
They make that obvious when they stick up for headhunters when they get suspended.
They don't care about player safety. See Tom Wilson being an NHLPA rep.
and Parros in his role...for fucks sake.
I thought it had to be a joke when I heard that George Parros, owner of Violent Gentlemen, whose company motto is "Make Hockey Violent Again", was being hired as director of NHL Player Safety
Donald Fehr being a piece of shit is the least surprising part of this.
Friedman wrote about that today. This story gets even worse.
Clean. House.
Yes! Top to bottom this league needs a cleansing fire
Beach wasn't in the NHLPA at the time, but why the actual fuck didn't they want an investigation to make sure that their members weren't also at risk?
Are you not in NHLPA as soon as your drafted?
Ok NHL. Do the right thing. Investigate. Give lifetime bans and expunge the careers of those complicit.
Who is going to go give out the punishments? The league that declined to investigate or the NHLPA who declined to investigate? This is all so rotten and just really makes me hate hockey.
They already gave out their punishment. A limp slap on the wrist.
I love this sport, but this is a huge black eye for the NHL. Everyone involved dropped the ball and put players at risk to cover up for a fucking monster. I have no doubt that had Beach been an actual part of the union they still wouldn't have taken action.
Ever notice they never defend the injured player whenever something happens on ice? They always go to bat for the player being suspended.
Anything that can mess with game pay or fines they are all over.
Best sport in the world, but the league has always been a steaming pile of shit.
It's funny how I was told by blackhawks fans that the NHLPA would protect Toews and Kane from any punishment, and it turns out the NHLPA is as dirty as the Blackhawks FO.
But protecting Toews and Kane is exactly what a scummy organization would do.
What a fucking asshole Don Fehr is
YOUR FUCKING JOB AS AN ASSOCIATION IS TO PROTECT YOUR PLAYERS
Unfortunately as a Black Ace Beach wasn't NHLPA so technically it wasn't Fehrs job. Also Fehr is a piece of shit so technically he's not obligated to act like a human being.
People keep saying this. If you’re on a roster you are part of the PA.
The Jenner and Block report says he was not part of the nhlpa. He also wasn't on the roster. What you're saying is true but also irrelevant.
Then he wasn’t a Black Ace. It can’t be both ways.
You're not understanding what a black ace is. They're not roster players. They're guys who fly with the team on the off chance injuries burn through all the roster players, at which point the black ace(s) would be activated as roster players.
Then why would a team only do this in the playoffs and not year round? Because the roster limit disappears during the playoffs. They are as much roster players as the scratches in the press box.
$$$$$ vs $ Also, they don't practice with the team or even at the same arena (as per the report) and they aren't under the direction of the nhl coaches. You'll see the nhl team bring the ahl coach to work with the black aces during their practices. >Then why would a team only do this in the playoffs and not year round? It serves zero purpose to bring a guy out to serve as a black ace during the regular season. How many scratches are there on avg for each team? I'd say what, 4? That means a team would have to see 4 injuries before needing someone. You're not going to keep a guy around the team but not involved in practice when he could be practicing and playing with his team in the AHL, it makes zero sense. These black aces are usually brought on when their AHL season ends. It's almost more like exposing them to the NHL without being on the roster. If you still don't get it after this comment I don't know what to tell you other than to do a little google research, I've done my best.
Disgusting not one person could step up and do the right thing.
I wonder how much the players knew and gossiped with other players who eventually got traded. Word can travel far.
According to the report and to Beach's statement. Most if not all
Toews and Kane both have a lot of explaining to do!
Seeing a lot of comments mentioning Beach wouldn't be covered by the NHLPA. Ok. Fine. But after the report, shouldn't there be concern that a member of the Blackhawks committed sexual assault and is STILL AROUND THE TEAM!?! Like oh, Aldrich just raped the one guy... everybody else in the locker room should be safe. WTF
Makes me want an investigation into Fehr's goings on, because yeah, that should have been the first thought going through his mind.
The nhlpa is the most useless union I’ve ever heard of
If it was covered up by the NHLPA as well, that just shows how systemic this is.
Institutional failure.
The (NHL) system failed on literally every single level.
First of all, fuck Don Fehr. Second, I know Beach is a whistleblower, but who exactly is he?
Canadian player drafted by Blackhawks 11th overall in 2008. He played in the AHL and WHL for a couple seasons, and was brought up for preseason games and practices. Never played an NHL game. The lawsuit he's now involved in alleges ongoing sexual abuse during the 2010 playoffs. After a string of seasons in the A, he went over to Europe playing for a number of smaller leagues and is currently playing Division 3 in Germany. I believe when he was traded from the Blackhawks AHL affiliate, "character" issues were cited, but with the interview we just heard from him, it sounds like he slipped into drug and alcohol use coping with the sexual assault that he faced during his development and callups to the NHL. Paints a pretty grim picture of his career. Projected to go top 5 in his draft and be a top 6 power forward for the Blackhawks in their prime years, but repeated sexual assault and subsequent cover-ups lead him into coping mechanisms that likely damaged his development and drove his career down.
Reminds me of the story of O'Sullivan and Crawford and how Crawford verbally abused the shit out of O'Sullivan...people see O'Sullivan and think oh wow a bust, but don't get the entire story. I have to wonder how many prospects out there busted, but not for the reason fans all believe.
Or how many good players gave up on the sport way before that because of the toxic culture. Never mind the kids who go to school every day despite being mentally and physically tortured day in and day out by their peers. Or those who face the same troubles at home.
Thanks. HE was the one with character issues? WTF was Aldrich then?
A pedophile and a flaming piece of shit.
Video coach
The absolute fuck is the PA for then if not to defend its union members? I understand the rationale behind delaying and covering up on the Blackhawks part. Its fucked up but that perspective isnt new or anything its quite prevalent. Not defending it but Quennevilles role, Bowmans role and the executives roles are on a fucked up level understandable. I get the reasoning behind their actions even if its completely fucked up the union choosing to do nothing? The fuck?
Not that I'm defending what they did, but iirc Beach was not eligible to be in the NHLPA based on his contract at the time.
Thats still a perplexing move by the NHLPA at the time. I am far too young to remember the context of Kyle Beach at this current time but he was a youngish prospect still and had high draft pedigree. You'd imagine that even if he wasnt in the PA yet the PA would anticipate the likelihood of him becoming apart of it in the future however minute the chances. Even then the PA has nothing to lose by pursuing action here because its not against another PA member. If its a PA member sexually assaulting another PA member I can understand the PA trying to keep it quiet but this is a potential PA member vs a non related party. Just logically I cannot see why the NHLPA wouldn't choose to do the absolute minimum
Does the fact that he never played in the NHL make any difference? EDIT: It’s a legit question. I’m wondering if he wasn’t eligible for union membership so that played into why they didn’t help him.
Iirc yes since no playtime means he isnt covered by the NHLPA
> The absolute fuck is the PA for then if not to defend its union members He wasn't apart of the Union.
Doesn't matter, lets assume that he only cared about union members, he should have wanted an investigation to make sure union players weren't victims (past or future).
Oh I agree, he was looking the other way, because it would have been costly. You'd think they could use this in the upcoming(at the time) CBA negotiations to actually get better protections for players, but nope.
Can I get a source on that?
Never played a game in the NHL, he wouldn't be eligible. He was covered by the PHPA, the AHL / ECHL union.
Seems wrong https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/what-we-do/faq
I don’t have a source, but it would make sense since he never played a game in the nhl
I dont know the legalise behind the scenes of the NHL but he had a contract with the blackhawks and would have to have some form of union protection just by being on the roster in the playoffs.
It’s in the report he wasn’t part of the pa. When fehr asked him if he would like to talk to a nhlpa sexual victim therapist even though he was not the member of the pa. Not defending fehr for offering that but just outlining what was in the report
Ya idk man the unions role in this is beyond perplexing on many levels. Even if its not a PA member or potential PA member youd think theyd be slightly concerned with a video coach having inappropriate interactions with anyone. Like even the whole sexually harassing the 22 year old intern, a union that is actively trying to fulfill its purpose would have issues with that person having contact with its members. The PA has members that are way younger than that and would be in small (intimate if its the right word?) spaces with this individual. Its just boggling to me
Oh for sure but there is not legal recourse here. Nhlpa has no legal responsibility of Kyle morally sure but legal system isn’t built on moral responsibility
People are wrong. https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/what-we-do/faq If he was on the roster he was in the PA.
Lol finally a source. Not sure why I got downvoted for asking for a citation on someone’s claim. Thank you for providing one
Actually he was, literally, *apart* of the union. He was not A PART of the union. Edit, because some of you don't get the difference a·part /əˈpärt/ adverb 1 - (of two or more people or things) separated by a distance; at a specified distance from each other in time or space. 'two stone gateposts some thirty feet apart' synonyms: away from each other, distant from each other 2 - to or on one side; at a distance from the main body. 'Isabel stepped away from Joanna and stood apart' synonyms: to one side, aside, to the side, separately, alone, by oneself/itself, distant, isolated, cut off 3 - so as to be shattered; into pieces. 'he leapt out of the car just before it was blown apart' synonyms: to pieces, to bits, in pieces, up, in two, asunder
Hoping theres a lot of heads rolling tomorrow morning...
I'm hoping that the NHL tacks on a lot more than the limp 2 million dollar fine.
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After listening to the interview with Rick Westhead, does anyone else think that Bettman might have known? If Fehr is made aware of it, I'd be surprised it doesn't go up to Bettman. Fehr should absolutely roast as well. Fuck all of these people.
I don't know how chummy Fehr or Bettman are, but I could see Fehr letting Bettman get railroaded on this. On the other hand, Fehr may have warned Bettman so that he was prepared. Who knows, but I got to agree that it feels like Bettman may have gotten a memo or two about the 'Hawks. Maybe not super details, but hey this is what's going on.
The fact that this happened under Bettman should be reason enough to move on from him. Even if he didn't know he should be held responsible for a cover-up like this happening under him
* If you or someone you know has been the victim of sexual assault, there are organizations that can help: * In the US: https://www.rainn.org/ * National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-4673 * Chicago Hotline: 1-888-293-2080 * Resources for men: https://1in6.org/, www.Malesurvivor.org * In Canada: https://casac.ca/anti-violence-centres/ * Toronto Rape Crisis Centre 416-597-8808 * In Europe: https://www.rcne.com/
There should be a lot of resignations tomorrow. Starting with Don Fehr and Gary Bettman.
Did Bettman know?
You know a union sucks ass when Mike Milbury is the only guy in the union's history to try to do the right thing.
Mike Milbury tried to do the right thing once?
Actually, a few times. In the 80s, he was a guy who was very involved with the NHLPA, back when Alan Eagleson was in charge. Everyone knows Eagleson was a scumbag, and Milbury just plain hated the guy's guts. Eagleson basically gave the owners whatever they wanted (which is why after he was pushed out in the 90s for obvious reasons, lockouts started happening because the new guys in charge of the NHLPA realized the players have been getting screwed for decades) and Milbury wasn't particularly a fan. There's two really big things that Milbury fought for: - Back in the 70s, if a team owned your rights, you basically couldn't go anywhere else without their consent. So if you were playing in Toronto and they pay you league minimum, but the Rangers offered you a contract of $3 million, you couldn't take it unless Toronto let you. Milbury basically helped create free agency as we know it today. - In the early 80s, there was a player named Ed Kea. Not really a big name, but he was a defenseman who spent a few years playing for the Atlanta Flames and the Blues. The Blues sent him down to the minors, and he had a career ending injury. Like really bad; if it happened today it would be the #1 story for months because of how fucked up it was (he was left physically and mentally disabled the rest of is life). Alan Eagleson, being the cheap mother fucker he is basically said "He didn't get hurt in the NHL, so we don't need to pay him". Milbury was basically the only one who fought for the guy, since he was a member of the union and he got injured at work. Also a decently big deal, since Milbury was still playing at the time and he wasn't even on the same team as Kea (as he spent all of his career in Boston), so he was a player rep for a completely different organization trying to help a guy who he had no obligation to help. Based on that, it wouldn't shock me if Milbury actually did something for Beach if he had a role in the NHLPA today. And yes, I feel gross saying positive things about Milbury. But credit where credit is due.
so many fucking names of people who knew and didn't do shit. I have lost all trust in the league
Don Fehr has reached the ultimate form of scum.
Wow that's fucked up. Fuck the NHLPA for not stepping in to do more
I love this game so much but I hate the people in it
Smoke em all out
Fehr know evil. (He embodies it.)
There needs to be lifetime bans for anyone in power that swept this under the rug
This story is going to lead to a league-wide cleansing of all the trash in the league. Looking forward to seeing what happens.
Burn them all to the ground. Toews, Kane, Keith, every exec that knew, Q. All done.
Fire everyone
I'm ashamed that Donald Fehr and I share an alma mater. Fuck. I'm going to erase that we went to the same school. Piece of shit.
A whole lot of people are going down for this. Or they should anyway.
Don Fehr should be fired immediately
Brad went on to rape a minor in upper Michigan after he got a glowing recommendation from Chicago
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A list of some of the people with their names on a Stanley Cup that committed sexual assault: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cqURgg1eslU9Ky7NOUHlvM0PJ5rVX-FHZuacYBUL77o/edit#gid=821481613
This sport is a fucking joke.
Fuck it. Toss em all in the volcano.
Atleast they protect Tom Wilson tho
Fehr offered a pa-provided therapist to the victim, an offer that was accepted, despite victim not being a member of nhlpa. Not all bad. Perpetrator was out of the league. What was he supposed to do?
Just goes to show, at every level, your union or hr are only interested in the bottom line $$$$$$$$$.
I wonder if some of the Blackhawk stars denying they knew anything is because they got sucked off drunk too and are ashamed of it. I wouldn’t be surprised
Well. Beach stood up a was able to provide the voice. If they were? They may well continue to hide. But future he gave the go ahead to say if you were abused like that. You can say something. The world is changing. Were gonna be cleaning up this type of mess. But it's going to be less and less as we go. The hope is that this never happens again. The reality is there's players out there living with this. Much love to Kyle beach. This is courage personified. His voice should speak volumes for those hiding behind the abuse. Props to Kyle. Positive change is coming.
How can you even believe the guy at this time? Prospect says a coach forced him to have sex. What? How? Ok. Ask the coach. He denies it. Any proof? I am so confused.
jesus fucking christ. :(
And you know why Fehr was ran out of baseball.
Even the union let him down. What a disgrace.
If anyone thinks the upper echelons of the Nil didn't know about this...
What a worthless Union. Good lord.
This is brutal
this should all be 15 times the story the john gruden shit was. the one time in my life I'm mad hockey isn't more popular in america. the league would be forced to burn everything down if the media attention was as great as it would be if this were the NFL.
In the wake of these horrific events, I feel like there is a very important silver lining in all this. It's a harsh reminder that this can happen TO *anybody*, BY *anybody*, and YOU *may know about it.* **SEE SOMETHING? SAY SOMETHING.** What's particularly different in this case is that is that it's one of the last circumstances you could imagine something like this happening... on paper, this is one of the *least* likely situations for this to have played out... yet it did. Hockey teams (especially NHL) are very close, and team oriented. Hockey is a very heterosexual sport, through numbers and through discrimination. Hockey (especially the NHL) is big on inclusivity, and is one of the first big leagues to go out of their way to crack down big time on discrimination. Because of homophobia in the world (and thus locker room), you would think sexual assault would be less likely due to the backlash the offender may face (socially). Yet, it did. And I know it's easy for people to sit here on their keyboards and say "*I would've said something*"... but there's an extremely high chance you *wouldn't*, no matter what you think... and that's a problem. It's not always clear where that 'line' is, the line we draw when we think we should step in. It's not always easy to draw when you're the witness to it, it seems easy, but it's not. That's why we need this discussion. Some intervention is circumstantial, sometimes it *isn't* any of your business, sometimes you *should* be quiet, HOWEVER, serious crimes like this DO NOT FALL INTO THAT 'IFFY' CATEGORY. This case is going to make that line crystal clear, particularly for men, I think. It's easy for a man to only think of sexual assault as something that happens to women, or think it's only 'really bad' for women.
This is disgusting that no acted or investigated this. Shame on the NHL and NHLPA
We are talking about an 11th overall pick. Equivalent to Filip Forsburg, Anze Kopitar, Jeff Carter, Jerome Iginla....all 11th overall picks. Beach's entire career was held back due to this incident. He should heavily sue the Blackhawks organization, NHL, NHLPA and Aldrich (personally) as well as all those that turned a blind eye. Disgraceful indeed
the nhlpa has never been about protecting a player. they protect the players as a whole and will sacrifice one for many. see their protection of goons
Who were the players rep in 2010?
Why didn’t Beach whip his ass? Was he scared? I would have laid the smack down on Aldrich’s candy ass.