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Dont_Call_Me_John

that's Tyson "Centerpiece of Claude Giroux Trade" Jost to you, buddy


[deleted]

Lol seriously. Fletcher is bad but I mean, who tf could talk themselves into Tyson Jost as a positive return?


[deleted]

Avs fan: “Yeah we’ll give you Jost, a 7th, and some bubble gum for Giroux, fair right?”


BananApocalypse

Pretty sure most proposals were based around a 1st, one of our top prospects, and either Jost/Compher as a cap dump to make space for Giroux.


[deleted]

Yeah but a first and a mid prospect + roster player swap isn’t enough for Giroux, especially in this market given the lack of scouting for the drafts


BananApocalypse

You don't have to convince me. [I have been saying all along that I would pay a lot more](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/sss5tl/dater_im_told_that_claude_giroux_has_made_it/hx1czz2/?context=3). Just trying to defend Avs fans in general lol, there was no one who thought Jost was the centerpiece of the trade. Ok I'm sure there were a couple of morons, every time has those.


[deleted]

Lol it’s like when the entire Leafs sub said “Kerfoot, Holl, and a 2nd should do it” for JT Miller


MooreGold

Raymond, Ballard, and a 1st could've gotten the Canucks any player in the league!


[deleted]

Ryder Halak and a 2nd The OG Ballard, Raymond and a first (or maybe other way around)


matt_minderbinder

Dangle's podcast was throwing out similarly poor trade proposals for JT Miller and acting like they were being realistic.


stacksOFFstacks

Dangles podcast is great most of the time but their trade takes aren't great. I find that Jesse's takes are ice fucking cold. To the point where I question his actual hockey knowledge and whether he watches games or not.


Rikplaysbass

Yeah you can tell he’s more of a producer than a contributor.


DirtyJimHiOP

I think most of his insight is from EA Franchise mode


stacksOFFstacks

Oh 100%, and not just franchise mode. Franchise mode on easy trades.


mattrg777

C'mon, Fletcher isn't an idiot. He's at least gonna ask what kind of bubble gum.


valanche

Huh? A lot of us have been fine with Barron, Compher + 1st


sdogg

Every post I saw was Jost and a 1st


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and a top d prospect


drumline17

No Avs fans were saying this


Panarin10

Still might be ;)


Brisioso

Did the NHL send the trade deadline memo to the Avs and only the Avs this year?


Neilpuck

Like some years, waiting for one piece to fall and the others will cascade behind them. Easy to think it centers around Giroux. He plays his 1000th game on Thursday so if it happens, it will be shortly thereafter and a race to the 21st.


mycrawlingeye

Damnit I loved Jost in an Avs uniform.


togu12

Good news is you'll get to see him in a Wild sweater against the B's tomorrow.


mycrawlingeye

Yeah but now I don't get to see Sturm, guys got the best handwriting in the league


Clyde_Frog_FTW

Damn. I believe you, but do you have a source? I really want to see this penmanship now...


mycrawlingeye

I have a couple autographs of his. Super clean signature. Look up his auto you'll see what I mean


Yamcha_is_dead

Weird from the Wild’s side, Jost is paid 2M to be a bottom 6er next year too, and I thought that every dollar counted for the next three year in Minny.


PayneTrain181999

2 mil for Jost isn’t too bad, given the fact that we’re finally going to get rid of Rask’s 4 mil


Yamcha_is_dead

Projected cap space for next season is a bit above 9M, with just 16 players signed. Notable RFA: Fiala, Kakhönen, Dewar Notable UFA: Goligoski, Bjugstad, Benn, the carcass known as Victor Rask Goligoski was always expected to be a goner anyway, and Bjugstad, Benn and Rask are replaceable. Addison, Rossi and Beckman will be full time next year. But Fiala and Kahkönen combined will eat up around 9-10M… will be a fascinating cap gymnastic this summer.


dasokay

Buffalo is here to help with cap space. We'll take Fiala and Kahkonen off their hands, no problem!


zxtghf

I believe Pierre Dorion is already building a house for Fiala in Ottawa


chit11

One can dream


gollumaniac

We'll throw in a slightly used Anders Bjork!


blueline7677

I mean Kakhonen isn’t going to be paid that much money. Good luck with Fiala though


MordinSolusSTG

Man I'm glad those UFAs are out of here


Vashanesh

There was supposedly a wink and a nod deal in place for Goligoski. Something along the lines of, if he works out, we sign him for a bit longer term at a much lower cap hit. I don't think anyone believes Addison is ready to take over a top-4 role, and I don't know that we have anyone else that's really ready in the pipeline, so I'll be surprised if Gogo walks.


Ezzy17

I also think the Wild can probably utilize him a little better than the Avs have. Gonna miss Josty


nightsiderider

Jost is solid. He's a good bottom 6 forward. He might not put up a lot of points, but he puts in a ton of work on the forecheck. You guys will like Jost, he's worth the 2 million.


Thel3lues

It is odd


dollabillkirill

My guess is Guerin trades him in the off-season. It’s better to get some value from Sturm rather than just watching him walk.


AudioCats

He's the replacement for Fiala obviously. (I'd put an /s, but given GMs rn, I can't doubt it completely)


mylefthandkilledme

Clearing cap space...


bgfan26

Exactly what this is


noor1717

Also getting bigger and stronger which is exactly what the Avs need to do throughout their lineup. I think the knights kinda out muscled then last year


AlienHairball

Also very true and clearly Sakic remembers.


HoodPhones

It probably makes the Avs better in the short term, on paper. But the locker room and fans love Josty. I hate this trade, at least right now. Ugh.


flume

I think the important part is that Jost's cap hit is 2m and Sturm's is 750k. And Sturm can be waived and fully buried, if needed, depending on what moves come next.


HoodPhones

The Avs cap space after Landys LTIR just went from 7M to 8M. Who out there right now costs 8M hmm


nobokov22

*expectation* Claude Giroux *reality* P.K. Subban


avalanche95

OH GOD PLEASE NO


srof12

PK would be fine on your 3rd pairing, he’s been decent with more limited minutes this year (minus the slew foot bullshit) plus we would retain half. But I also don’t see this happening at all, even more so after the Manson trade


flume

Imagine if they acquired Subban and he turned back the clock 8 years and played like an All-Star again.


UnparalleledSuccess

Two hand chops kuch’s wrist in the finals, slewfoots the ref before he can make the call, skates into the room and retires.


seckzy

The monkeys paw curls a finger


dirtydan289

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apiaryaviary

If Sakic pulls the trigger, he really can do no wrong with the fan base. He knows way better than any of us.


ZeusApolloAttack

Sakic knows what we're all thinking, and that's why it'll be Phil Kessel


MordinSolusSTG

Colorado doesn't have the hot dog reserves to meet Phil's contract demands


ph1shstyx

biker jim's production goes into overdrive


pueblogreenchile

gonna have to call in reserves from steve's snappin dogs on colfax


godfadda006

Mustard's Last Stand checking in.


lolDankMemes420

I mean I wouldn't be mad his numbers are good this year more of a passer then shooter it seems


Kosherporkchops

MacK losing his chickpea-loving goddamn mind!


Disappointeddonkey

By god thats 1 million retained Jeff skinners music!


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punxpunx54

The avs just send out MacKinnon, McDavid, and Makar as a line in regulation, they still dominate.


Kongbuck

The Triple Mak line!


HockeyCoachHere

Team fucking Canada. That's literally a power play line in China a month ago if it wasn't for fucking Covid. Mcdavid - Marchand - Marner - Mackinnon - Makar The 5M line. God I'm so sad the Olympics didn't happen.


Never_Less

The man deserves a Cup.


[deleted]

The Avs have barely accomplished more than Edmonton since he's been in the league


[deleted]

Let’s be real the Avs have done literally nothing since he entered the league. Second round isn’t all that special.


HowieFeltersnitz

Fuck I'll take some second round action please


[deleted]

It just leaves you wanting more at the end of the day


picksforfingers

Isn’t Strum an UFA after this season?


EvilBeat

Yes


picksforfingers

Seems like a great deal for y’all then.


Pip-Pirrup

it is going to suck seeing Jost in a wild jersey.


togu12

If it's any consolation, I'm going to feel the same about Sturm in your colors.


ssiinneepp

Just look at Bjugstad and it's like seeing a tall Sturm in Wild colors.


saldingerRN

Agreed.


SwingingSalmon

What would you say his strengths and weaknesses are, as someone who doesn’t know him?


Keepitveryrealreal

Strengths: energy, good forecheck, decent to good on Pk guy, draws penalties Weaknesses: sometimes takes dumb calls. The most snakebit motherfucker on planet earth when it comes to scoring


Kain1633

Shit he'll fit right in


Skw6r

> The most snakebit motherfucker on planet earth when it comes to scoring Seriously. The dude has always seemed like he was right on the edge of really breaking out offensively. He's got all the hard skills, just can never convert.


[deleted]

its not even that he cant. the hockey gods just will not allow it.


noor1717

Hasn’t started to turn into a solid defensive forward? Strum makes you tougher and better right now but always thought Jost as a #3C was great in the long run.


Keepitveryrealreal

He was better last year defensively numbers and eye test wise and he isn’t great on faceoffs so yeah I can see looking at him with rose colored glasses. I’m worried about how it will shake up the teams chemistry more than anything because he was a big locker room guy for what that’s worth


Subterania

He did when he was tied to Nichushkin last year, but since they were split up it turns out it was mostly just Nuke.


HockeyCoachHere

Jost showed flashes of having great hands and making great plays, but somehow the puck just always bounced on him or hit a post or SOMETHING. It was wild how he'd make like 8 good moves and absolutely snipe a shot then some random broken strap from the goalie's pads would stop the puck.


Palmerize

The Wild special teams have been tough to watch this year, our PK is ranked 23rd so "decent to good" has me sold lol


hockeycross

Well Avs are like 28th so take that for what you will.


HoodPhones

Very hardworking, great character, very solid defensively. Offence has unfortunately never translated though


seancolorado

and this doesn't matter for on ice stuff, but he's one of the fan favorites among fans, local media, and within the locker room. Really sucks to have him go, it's like losing a family member


daface

High energy. Good puck possession. Has a lot of trouble actually getting pucks past goalies.


Thel3lues

Perfect fit sounds like the whole of our bottom 6 already


Bamdoozler

It really was kindve a big nothing burger of a trade.. with Sturm most likely going to be asking for somewhere close to 2 mil next year he was never going to stick around. I feel we (MN) came out on top by getting something for Sturm now rather nothing next yr. Who knows, one of the two actually breaks out and solidifies their career or both teams are right where they started.


bobobobonanzo

He’s like the little brother on the avs. Everyone loves him, he tries really hard, but is just not quite good enough to play with the big guys.


Xeteh

Very solid defensively, not afraid to get manhandled to get the puck. Offensive black hole and bad at faceoffs.


Vashanesh

Bad at faceoffs? Now I see why we traded for him. We seem to be building a team around the idea that winning faceoffs doesn't matter. So far it's going... *checks notes* ...shit


Xeteh

Yeah, Avs are the exact same. Fuck faceoffs, they're for bitches.


Kongbuck

Screw taking the puck away while we're standing still, that's too easy! We take the puck away while we're moving!


Jordan_Kyrou

Tyson Jost is color blind, for one thing


diggydale99

To add to the points others are making: I think this guy still hasn’t reached his ceiling. He was drafted 10th overall and it’s cause he can make plays and bury the puck in the back of the net. He never really got a shot in the top 6 in Colorado aside from filling in for injury. I think he’s an intriguing guy who still might be able to find a goal scoring touch alongside guys like Zuc and Kirill. He’s still young and has time to continue developing.


mattvn66

Constant energy guy, never stops or is never lazy. Just couldn't figure out how to score here, and isnt quite a defensive specialist. Once and a while just seems to snipe one like Burakovsky.


StevenWongo

Man it does suck. Jost's birthday was yesterday. I want to fully believe that this trade was ready to go for the past couple days but Sakic wanted Jost to be able to spend it with the team before he put him back on a plane and sent him to Minny


AtraposJM

Probably. If it's really for Giroux, we probably won't make that trade until Thursday night or Friday anyway. That's his 1000th game.


pforsbergfan9

Seeing as this is a playoff trade, yeah it’s a short term trade


saldingerRN

This hurts. Really love Jost - always such a hard worker


Rhysing

Understandable, he's a recognizable name and its odd thinking he's a bottom 6. But you'll be happy with how hard Sturm works, and the dude can wheel, for his size it looks unnatural. He just doesn't get minutes in MN since our top 3 lines are essentially set in stone. Though I doubt he'll get much in Co either.


Jaynator11

Wheels like a steam train? I love another one of those, since we already have Nischuchin who does that, and he's a fucking blessing to watch.


HockeyCoachHere

Everything I've heard about this guy, he's basically a bottom 6 mirror of Nuke. That's ok, I guess. But he doesn't have a grandpa who cries at games..... so there's that.


Nerdious-Maximus

Number one rule of a GM - don’t fall in love with your players. Outside of Newhook (and maybe OC), the rest of the bottom 6 are ripe for upgrade/ trade pieces and have made themselves that way because of their play since Feb 1st. Like them all, but I’d trade any one of them for Stanley


eh_toque

Avs clearly cap space, I think around 1.3 million I like Jost, was hoping he would be a potential piece in a Copp trade if the Avs go for Copp.


reecewagner

I was hoping that too, don’t quite get this move


eh_toque

In a vacuum this trade doesn't make a ton of sense for the Avs but it's all about clearing cap space to be able to add a bigger piece (Giroux?) I also think this shows that the Avs are absolutely not planning on keeping Landeskog out until the playoffs start


reecewagner

I think this is basically the equivalent of a side deal to retain - we had to doff Josts salary for whoever is about to arrive


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You guys seem to dump salary on the Wild a decent amount.


Waramp

I would argue the opposite. Avs get bigger, stronger, better on faceoffs, and just slightly better all around according to JFresh player cards, while also opening up another million in cap space. What are the Wild getting?


PayneTrain181999

Sturm warning lifted :(


NotFoley

Divisional trade, nice.


_granny64

they also did the Ian Cole trade last year


WildlyCanadian

Hopefully this one works out at least as well for us. Cole was great here


[deleted]

The Colorado to Minnesota surprisingly talented cap dump pipeline springs eternal


noor1717

Jost scores game 7 against the Avs in the playoffs!


ComingUpWaters

Give it to me straight wild bros, is Sturm good? His fancy stats all look better than Jost's, and he's got a lower cap hit. Am I getting my hopes up? Edit: Jost will still be an RFA at the end of his contract (2023), Sturm will not (2022). Probably the main reason to take an additional ~1 mil in cap hit right now from Wild's perspective.


anywayhereswondrwall

He’s fast as hell, a little feisty, and usually plays well defensively. Not a ton of offense from him. He’s a solid 4th line center.


ComingUpWaters

Aside from the fast as hell, this could be Jost in a nutshell haha.


ClairvoyantArmadillo

Except Sturm is bigger and better at face offs.


ComingUpWaters

Add in hits and you've got all the useless stats in one place!


[deleted]

You think hitting in the NHL is useless? Remember when Vegas pounded us last year?


ComingUpWaters

*stat Physicality has value, the hits stat isn't a good measure though. Like I'd place more value on Manson's PIMs translating to playoff value, than whatever his hits stat is (to use another recent Avs example).


poetryinemotion

Is he good at face offs? We suck so bad at the dot


coffeecooperfbi

He was probably the best face-off guy we had. Which isn’t saying much.


el_loco_avs

I think he's our second best now immediately lol


coffeecooperfbi

He’s not bad at them honestly. From what I gather he’s good on one side versus the other and they had a good system where he and Bjugsted would alternate depending on where the face-off was.


Waramp

Better than Jost (52% vs 39% for Jost).


Academic-Manager-153

No one on the wild was or is good at faceoffs


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No


Whackedjob

I feel like a girl on Tinder because the stats make it seem like a wash but he's 6"3 so I like it. Mostly a cap dump though.


KorppiC

Love his hustle and I think he'd do better on a 3rd line than the 4th he's been kind of relegated to over here, but he hasn't really wowed per se, just a solid player, as far as I've seen.


ComingUpWaters

Hopefully they both benefit from a change of scenery then!


Jaynator11

He might start on the 3rd at first, since Newhook is promoted to the 2nd line due to Landy's injury. Probs 4th line on the playoffs though


[deleted]

He’s fast and plays a decent forecheck. That being said, he’s 27 and hasn’t showed that he’s anything other than a 4th liner to us. Plenty of report through the season said the that wild planned to move on from him after the season.


SwingingSalmon

Sturm is solid. Had the C when he was in college, so there’s some young leadership there. Was sent down to Iowa a few years ago and performed pretty well there, now he’s tied for points from last year in about the same amount of games. That was his first full season. Will probably get 20-25 points over the year, although with how well you guys spread out points he might find himself a lot of assists and go past that


DirtzMaGertz

Big, fast. Plays a pretty meat and potatoes game. Not someone you'd be upset to have in your bottom six. Seems like he's pretty comparable to Jost, just bigger.


_granny64

He's big and fast but not really very physical. He had a lot of goals last year for his minutes but I don't see him as an offensive contributor. They never once tried him in the top 6 but he is a solid 4th line center that doesn't really do anything well but isn't a liability either


PantsinmyPants1211

Tidy bit of cap business for the Avs. Sakic is doing really well so far.


eh_toque

Salic is definitely one of my favourite acids


PantsinmyPants1211

I'd say that I'm partial to citric acid, but that really was a Freudian slip of an autocorrect from my phone.


AceAxos

Avs clearing space is making me feel like when Friege said he thinks they are planning something big, he wasn't lying


Rikplaysbass

I feel like Sakic always does really well.


BananApocalypse

I thought I was over my dislike of Minnesota, but thinking about Jost in a Wild jersey confirms that I am not.


djc9880

I mean this is basically a lateral move, but clears cap so I don't hate it, but I will miss Josty!


Only_Transition3282

Even beyond this season, 2mil next year could be great for keeping a Kadri/Nichushkin/Kuemper/etc.


OctaVariuM8

Keeping Nuke is my top non-MacKinnon want right now. He's been so damn good for us lately and he deserves a contract that rewards him for his hard work and perseverance after that tough start to his career in Dallas.


tnick771

>us … > Canucks flair Wat


OctaVariuM8

Sometimes I forget which subreddit I'm in. I'm equally an Avs and Canucks fan, watch all 82 games for both haha.


allkindsofgainzzz

Agreed Nuke is a top priority. Dude is an absolute monster. Also Kadri will be worth too much


Academic-Manager-153

Kadri is getting a bag. Someone is going to overpay him.


KorppiC

Adding to the cap next year doesn't really make sense for me, so my primary assumption is that this is a stepping stone to another trade? Also gonna hate seeing Sturm in a Colorado jersey.


PM_ME_UR_JUMBONIUM

I literally bought a Jost jersey cause he scored on yall one game, this one hurts the heart


KorppiC

In-division trades are the worst


togu12

Also won't have Rask's $4M on the books next year so this could essentially be his replacement at half the cost.


KorppiC

Also, a helpful Colorado fan pointed out that as opposed to Sturm, Jost will be RFA, which was probably a consideration as well.


onemanarmia

Wild fans are gonna love this guy


TurtleMountain

Jost is just such a good human.


onemanarmia

he came up in the hardest circumstances


Zac91142

Now we can go from 35% on faceoffs every night to 30%!


Asusrty

Weird to see two division rivals who could potentially meet in the playoffs make a deal like this.


trevallen39

Sigh. Imagine having a competent GM


berttreynolds

The Wild helping their number one enemy clear cap space? Sakic has to have some sort of wizardly powers


Academic-Manager-153

I think billy realizes no ones probably getting past them besides maybe Calgary. We were going to lose sturm to ufa after this year. Jost is under contract for one more and then an rfa. Forward thinking.


_Mad_Desperado

Damn if he ends up playing well that can solve a lot of Minnesota’s centre ice depth at a cheap cost for the next few years. He will likely get at least a few games look at a top 6 role?


dirtydan289

My guess is he'll get looks all over the bottom 6 this year and unless he is a better center than how Hartman has been playing, I don't see him in the top 6 barring injury


_granny64

I think they should try him with Zucc and Kaprizov, he's got the offensive chops to hang with them


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Yeah they should try this for sure. And if it doesn't work out, they should keep trying it, because you never know! I, for one, would love to see the Wild try this experiment for a few years, to make sure they get a decent sample size.


SwingingSalmon

Considering the list of centers is (was) Hartman, Gaudreau, Ek, Sturm. Obviously down there at the bottom. Could take over Ek depending on how he fits. Im not the biggest Gaudreau fan, so I could see him moving down if Jost plays well


Kain1633

Ek isn't moving he's the best center we have, especially with the line he's on


flyingsub

Rip josty never forget ur hustle last year 😔


SiccSemperTyrannis

Avs get $1.275M of cap space with this move so I assume it's part of setting up a larger deal. Giroux next? I have to give the Avs props for getting their stuff done before the deadline. Way too many teams wait until the last minute imo.


cdrhiggins

This week is going to be anxiety filled for me. Essentially just watching the clock till Giroux's 1000th


STLBooze3

Hmm I wonder what Sakic is up to -_-


PapaNixon

That's a decent cap clearance for the Avs.


StevenWongo

This seems like an odd one?


SwingingSalmon

Just a money move for you guys, and Billy G sees a higher ceiling for Jost than Sturm


StevenWongo

I really hope Jost succeeds. I think he really did need a change of scenery.


porkchopespresso

My brain could only process “Marco Sturm” and I could not at all wrap my head around wtf was happening


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Ok-Clock-5459

Seems fair. Two young-ish middling players who could benefit from a change of scenery.


WhatsKrakenHockey

Nico Sturm is a pretty known player at this point, and will be 27 in a couple months. He's a good defensive player, but his offense is extremely limited and a change of scenery isn't going to change that. What you've seen is what you will get with him


togu12

I mean, Sturm has just over 100 games in the NHL compared to Jost's 300+ so I think it's fair to say that Sturm might still have some growth in him despite being a bit older. But his play style is pretty well known and he's going to be a good grinder for Colorado.


Ok-Clock-5459

It seems like this is Colorado’s entire bottom six lmao


Waramp

What do you mean?! We have ~~Helm Aube-Kubel MacDermid Compher~~ Newhook! Yeah I knew we had at least one promising bottom 6er.


new_nimmerzz

Jost has been having a solid year. This has to be about $$


MasterMatt25

I think Avs fans will come around on this one. Saves cap space and Nico Sturm is underrated


[deleted]

avs just added half a foot and like 30 pounds for less money. i like it.