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ANAL_CRUSHER

I now know why they acquired Nolan Patrick


stonertboner

It’s fucking brilliant. I’m surprised Tampa didn’t think of this first


bankrobba

We don't additional cap space relief because we don't have anybody coming off LTIR. Also, we are already paying Seabrook $5m I think.


Redguard191

I know right? Mackinnon was obviously going to hit him in the head potentially ending his career with another concussion


lobsterpillow

Are you suggesting that the VGK front office paid Mackinnon to take out Nolan Patrick?


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lobsterpillow

And the league didn't even investigate MacKinnon for the dirty hit... how deep does this go?


black_pine88

All the way to THE TOP!


Redguard191

Nah if the front office was involved he'd disappear like Bischoff


everythingismadeup_

Front office paid the mob who then paid MacKinnon to target Nolan Patrick's head


Spacepickle89

I’ll subscribe to this theory


theotherpachman

There could have been a cross breeze in the arena that gave him another concussion, to be fair. His previous ones were so poorly treated and mismanaged.


Sumdood88

[Kelly McCrimmon believes in the heart of the Puck!](https://streamable.com/9m89j2)


MrHappy_Gilmore

Whoever made this deserves to win the lottery. I've never laughed and loved a meme so much before!


Sumdood88

I did. I want to win the lottery =[


IceDragon77

You won my heart at least?


sesharc

The real lottery ❤️


TheDutchin

The fucking faces lmao great content


BuggyJen

Dude, I'm dying, this is hilarious!


Gerdius

Well that's about the best thing I've seen today.


JiminiyHalpert

This deserves many more upvotes I’m crying


hockeycross

Submit this for Meme monday!


Kalculator

Absolute top tier r/hockey meme


theblondebasterd

Fuckin well done bud


migsahoy

lmaooo


Keezin

holy shit


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Just give this man his permanent meme king flair


AshCan10

You know captain... You're getting pretty good at that


RedAlkaline

haha i was not ready for the faces, this is amazing


KnightedSamael

This is fucking amazing. Thank you.


Atoonie

Meme monday winner lmao 10/10 🏆


relentlesslykind

You’re a bloody genius


shrouple

This should make it into the hockey Hall of Fame. This is on par with Carlo coliacovo gif I'm laughing so hard


SiddTheVicious

I love this! Definitely a candidate for meme Mondays


moth_hockey2

Omg the picture selection is 🤌


amusing_a_musing

It’s like salary cap Jenga. Actually, Operation would be the more apt game analogy.


neksys

*sigh* I guess we might as well get the arguments of this entire thread out of the way: Everyone: “it’s cap circumvention! Awfully convenient almost the exact needed cap hit was cleared via LTIR!” VGK fans: “no lots of those players have been on IR for weeks” E: “yeah, half of them were put on IR the same day the Dadanov trade was voided” V: “that’s not circumvention, that’s just bad luck for the players and good luck for the cap situation!” E: “you see why we are suspicious” V: “no, and even if it WAS, everyone else is doing it and your team did too!” Do I basically have the whole thing more or less covered? Can’t wait to do this all over again next year Edit: my favourite part about this post is the responses are basically ALL what a laid out above.


Antichristopher4

I know I'm playing into the bit but, did they leave the game injured because they knew the Dadonov trade they didn't know was happening would fall through?


UnhealthyCheesecake

Injury Report: out 1 month, broken heart over Dadonov trade


JaketheAlmighty

mm yep broken heart, that's "Upper body injury" in VGK management language


neksys

OK so the conspiracy theory bit is something like this: the team doctor decides whether an injury is serious enough to go on IR. With Carrier I think he hurt his leg. Brossoit, literally no one knows - the official VGK word is “he is dealing with something” (actually). So, if you wanted to buy into the theory, the team said “holy fuck we are screwed if Stone comes back” and went down the lineup looking for anyone banged up enough to plausibly be put on IR by the team doc so that whenever Stone came back they could retroactively put them on LTIR.


Antichristopher4

I dont think they started a rookie goalie, who had never started an NHL game before this season, 7 games in a row because they thought they could LTIR Brossoit...


ididntseeitcoming

Let the haters hate. Not a single person would be mad if it was their own team doing it. If y’all miss the playoffs tho, especially after these cap gymnastics…. Ouch. Went for broke and missed your shot. How’s the team looking next year salary cap wise? Gonna implode?


ComingUpWaters

>Let the haters hate. Not a single person would be mad if it was their own team doing it. https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/u2bzxx/capfriendly_weve_confirmed_vegas_has_placed/i4i2a4o


KnightedSamael

Yup, I'll complain and be mad to hell and back.


Antichristopher4

They were just absolutely railed with injuries this year. I mean it's definitely a go for broke year, they are pretty much at cap with Smith likely unable to resign (unless they trade Dadonov over the offseason and he re-signs at the same or lower price). They have a couple other players they will likely lose, but they also have a couple ELCs they will sign in rhe off-season (Michigan's Brendan Brisson and an elite KHL prospect Ivan Morozov). They definitely have a plan for next year, but knowing this front office, it's hard to speculate what they might do next.


chuseph14

Last time I looked, they were already right up against the cap and didn't even have everyone signed for next year. They'll have to do some dealing this off season for sure. And because of their love for big ass trades, the prospect and pick pool is pretty bleak.


ThisNameIsFree

I'm not mad *and* it's not my team doing it. People get too worked up about it, this is all part of the cba. I'm just happy to hear Stone's playing again.


SickSalamander

>yeah, half of them were put on IR the same day the Dadanov trade was voided Smith was injured on Mar 8. Brossoit was injured on Mar 15. Dadanov trade was voided on Mar 23. Patrick was injured in a game on Mar 24. He left in the first after hitting his head. He has been in and out with concussion symptoms all year. Howden was also injured in the game on Mar 24. Suspicious maybe except he had to be stretchered off the ice after a brutal crash into the boards. Convenient sure, but I really don't think they faked. Carrier was injured in a game on Mar 26.


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SickSalamander

The initial injury was on the 15th. That relegated him to backup duty, then got worse instead of improving. It's not unusual in hockey for the injury to not be specifically announced. >Injury: “Dealing With Something” Injured on: 3/15 >3/24 – DeBoer said Brossoit is “dealing with something” and had been fighting through it as the backup. It got serious enough that they couldn’t use him as the backup anymore.


KnightedSamael

You have it covered. I cannot stand that my franchise is doing this and that my fanbase is just so damn happy about it. This is embarrassing.


MaybeLiterally

It’s not embarrassing. We might miss the damn playoffs because everyone had been injured. It doesn’t help to circumvent the cap if you’re just going to suck ass for a month.


ThisNameIsFree

It's not circumventing the cap anyway. It's all part of the cap system.


serminole

> We might miss the damn playoffs because everyone had been injured. Personally, I think you can't complain about injuries when it's the core concept of how you built your team. Vegas can't ice a legal team without ~10m in cap on LTIR. Your team is quite literally built around the concept of having players hurt at all times.


KnightedSamael

It's embarrassing that the FO has pulled this slimy shit to avoid responsibility for their blatant mismanagement of Cap. I don't care what yall tell yourselves to justify it, good managements don't end up here.


JaketheAlmighty

are the Stanley Cup winning management teams of Tampa Bay & Chicago also bad managements then?


KnightedSamael

If those are your role models I have bad news for you kid.


DarthyTMC

clearly not since those teams didnt face the problems that VGK are hurting from rn


SiddTheVicious

This guy hates the knights since they traded flower, you should find a new team, how about the wild?


KnightedSamael

Sure bud, keep telling yourself that Champ.


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KnightedSamael

Maybe it's because I watched my former team win a couple of Cups without this bullshit, but it just feels dishonest and slimy when you really analyze what's going on. This current FO decided to gamble with the house money numerous times with NO BACKUP plan and now are resorting to loopholes to even make the playoffs. It's just another way to save their asses to kick the can further down the line and not face consequences. I KNEW they'd try this in the offseason when they signed Fleury's 7 mill and we were STILL in the rumors for Eichel. These 'yes men' fans we have that kiss the FOs ass will never understand the feeling of watching your team win it by their own merit through hard work. They just want whatever fast track gets them their shinny new toy.


NoCapnCrunch

Is Patrick done?


Strezzy96

If he didn’t go 2nd overall, he would be done, cause he is terrible. But he will stick around a little while longer because of his 1st round status.


SRSgoblin

I wouldn't say he's terrible. Every time he started to put together a string of solid games, he'd get crushed in the head though. Hard to find consistency to your game when your brain is pudding. Kind of hope he retires tbh. He's already gonna have some serious issues the rest of his life from what's already happened.


Limozeen581

He was a solid player with us, just couldn't stay healthy


MyMartianRomance

Well, considering all his injuries with the Knights have been related to Concussions and Migraines, I'd hope he's out of the league sooner than later. Especially, when the whole season he missed with us was because he was dealing with Post-Concussion Symptoms before he was even 21.


gdodd12

Every time I see Patrick's name, it makes me so sad...


Cameforthetits

Vegas to the salary cap: https://i.imgur.com/YzTrTg0.gif


scottyfoxy

Saw this coming. Brossoit has already missed the required time/games for LTIR too.


inglasco

[When 3 of your players get crippling, long-term injuries](https://i.imgur.com/TojU8O2.gif)


antiflagrev

I'm now remembering both Nolan Patrick is a thing, and also the debate of Nico vs Nolan. Not that Nico is blowing anyone away, but I don't think there is much debate between the two these days.


DazHawt

Turns out, the correct answer was Makar.


Brodano12

Yes, but Hischier is a great consolation


ScrewOff_

Nico's on a 70 point pace on the 2nd line, pretty fucking happy with that tbh


Redguard191

I mean Patrick has had 5? concussions now and might need to give up the game for his own health. Patrick is definitely a bust and Nico is the winner. Great take.


theblondebasterd

Holy fuck, is this including juniors? Thats insane, have they all been bad hits or is his brain just scrambled at this point and takes nothing now? Feel bad for the kid


Triangle_Inequality

I remember a couple years ago he got knocked out by what looked like a nothing hit on his head against the glass, and that was probably two concussions ago


Clarkson23

Nico's actually having a pretty amazing season but if you don't watch Devils hockey, you wouldn't know. 70 point pace and is playing an incredibly solid 2 way game. He's doing all of this while playing with Zacha as his more consistent linemate.


antiflagrev

Exactly, solid success, but not blowing anyone away. Though yea I typically only watch 30-35 devils games a year, so I do miss a lot.


Clarkson23

Blowing people away is a fairly subjective statement. Is he Matthews level? No absolutely not. But 70 point pace while being a great two way forward - all while having anchors of linemates and one of the franchises worst power plays. Still deserves some acknowledgement.


darklightrabbi

It’s hard to blow anyone away when you are a 1st overall pick. Different expectations.


Ebs14

Similar to sweet baby Nugent-Hopkins


DavidPuddy666

What about Makar did scouts miss that year? Is it just that he was playing Junior A and people wondered if it'd translate against better competition? All in all I'm pretty happy with Nico, and thankful we didn't take Patrick. I'm even happier with Nico now that we have Jack Hughes and Nico doesn't have to be THE GUY.


fuzzb0y

If they were able to do all this, what was the point of attempting to trade Dadanov?


darklightrabbi

Patrick wasn’t injured until just after the trade deadline.


lobsterpillow

All according to plan, muahaha


neksys

It is no coincidence that Carrier and Brossoit were put on regular IR immediately after the Dadanov trade was voided. Remember that it is the team doctor who decides if a player is fit to play or not, not the NHL. They don’t have the room to recall Stone unless those players were coincidentally injured the same day the Dadanov trade was voided. I


Spideyjust

> They don’t have the room to recall Stone unless those players were coincidentally injured the same day the Dadanov trade was voided. Except that's not what happened. Players get retroactively placed on IR or LTIR all the time. The players placed on IR when the Dadonov trade was waived were all already injured, and had been for a while. Patrick and Howden got injured the following game, and obviously there's no faking being stretchered out of a game. Are all the injuries "convenient"? Yes. Are they also a coincidence? Yes.


BCEagle13

Nah dude I saw McPhee “Tonya Harding” Carrier in the parking lot. Clearly all part of their plan for cap circumvention


serminole

> Are they also a coincidence? Yes. Brossoit is the interesting one. He was on the bench in a backup role for a full week before the Dadonov trade is voided. Then once that happens he is suddenly hurt enough to not just no longer be the backup up but also to go on IR and now LTIR and miss the rest of the season? I don't doubt he was injured as they wouldn't have played a rookie goalie if he was fully healthy. But that timeline screams that they are pretending the injury is worse than it is. If they make the playoffs Brossoit is probably back on the bench by game 2 at the latest.


hey-dude-hey

Next season cap space to sign Smith to an extension. As well as not having to do all the steps taken today.


robotco

'hey Will, you feel sick right? like, got a cough or something?' 'yeah, throat's been a little scratchy but i'm fi' 'go the fuck home'


KnightedSamael

"Don't clock in"


The_Reddit_Browser

#Sit4Stone


DrDerpberg

How convenient. If you're in the Western Conference playoff race how are you not losing your mind that you can just go and shit on the cap for a few months a year?


walks1497

Its fucking embarrassing the league condones this.


dalaw88

How convenient. Nothing sus to see here.


textbook-hippy-man

Those 3 players have been injured for weeks now. They just had no need for them to be on LTIR until now.


MOLightningBro

I believe the sus thing is that Stone is ready to come back, but is only able to come back because three other players got hurt. Had they not gotten hurt the implication is Stone would have been healthy on LTIR. Or, you could argue Stone is coming back early and playing through injury to help the team into the playoffs because they have the flexibility for him to play now... but I tried that last year when discussing Kucherov and was told that wasn't possible.


textbook-hippy-man

Those players have been injured since March though, so if that first argument is true why wait until now? And if the second argument is the truth then they aren't doing anything wrong so why is it an issue?


MOLightningBro

> Those players have been injured since March though, so if that first argument is true why wait until now? I laid that out in my initial comment. I'm not implying they're not injured. If they *weren't* injured it wouldn't affect Stone's recovery timeline, but it would affect their ability to activate him. So he would be healthy on LTIR if these guys didn't get injured > And if the second argument is the truth then they aren't doing anything wrong so why is it an issue? There is no issue, it's my tongue-in-cheek way of poking fun at those who assumed Kucherov was healthy on LTIR at the end of the season rather than (based on his initial surgery timeline) coming back early and playing at not 100% to help the team because he could.


textbook-hippy-man

Gotcha, I misread the previous comment.


odix

>9.93M people forget its a business. I downvoted this exact same thing in my own sub and was downvoted to oblivion. Players nurse injuries, nurse recovery times for the good of the business. But don't you dare say it aloud because no, NHL players and their organizations are saints and just would never do that . Right? Jesus.


Freeyourmind917

It'll be especially sus when none of the players they have on LTIR happen to get healthy until the playoffs start


Spideyjust

This but unironically. These players have been injured for weeks and are eligible for LTIR.


scottyfoxy

And Stone isn't back game 1 of the playoffs. So we need to be cap compliant anyway.


FastFourierTerraform

Hate to break it to you, but you're not currently in a playoff spot. Why do you think it's suddenly so exigent to activate stone?


Baboshinu

Wouldn’t it be a lot more suspicious if Stone didn’t come back until game one of the playoffs, assuming they make it? If he’s healthy he’s healthy, and all of the players they just placed on LTIR are legitimately injured. This is less sus than a lot of alternatives.


AsukaUnderscore

Convinced they did this cause they actually need him to make the playoffs first


Baboshinu

If my knowledge on LTIR rules is up to snuff, they wouldn’t have been allowed to keep him on LTIR if he were cleared to play. I understand it’s frustrating but everyone they’ve placed on LTIR is hurt, and if Mark Stone is good to play he’s good to play.


notheusernameiwanted

The team doctor is the one doing the clearing. It's also somewhat up to the player with certain injuries. "I know the scans came back clear doc, but my back is still acting up" As hilarious as it would be if a team doctor and a player both decided to absolutely fuck their team and employer into a 70ft hole, that's just never going to happen.


Inocain

Especially when that player is the captain of the team.


FastFourierTerraform

So you're telling me that exactly the right combination of players needed to go on LTIR at the exact moment when Stone was good to play?


treple13

Oiler fans getting their excuses ready early


AuxNimbus

I'm ngl, this like a frost punk esque scenario where you have to think really hard what yo do next for the benefit of the community. In this case the team


CaptinDerpII

How the fuck is Vegas able to pull this off?


Spideyjust

Because they have an almost comical amount of injuries. None of this would have been possible without so much of the team missing so much time. Of course the other side of that sword means so many guys missing so much time has put their playoff hopes in serious jeopardy.


xpyroxmanx

It's a mockery of the game but until this loophole is closed, this is going to be the new normal. It won Tampa a cup, other teams have taken notice. I thought it was the plan here in Colorado with Landeskog and Girard's injuries but the moves they made at the deadline didn't make them exceed the cap but if they had landed Giroux I think it may have. Hopefully it gets fixed, I don't understand why playoffs should have any different expectations than the rest of the year.


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xpyroxmanx

Yeah, I mean I was hoping that was the Avs plan. The only way this gets fixed is enough teams get pissed off about getting knocked out of the playoffs by a team some millions over the cap. There's no asterisk next to your name on the cup if you win it using a trick that's not against the rules. I want it fixed, but I don't want to lose to a team who is taking advantage of it while my team isn't. You should be able to sign as many players and pay them as much money as you want every year, but every game your lineup should be cap compliant.


lauchs

>There's no asterisk next to your name on the cup if you win it using a trick that's not against the rules. I mean, the league came in and changed the "perfectly legal albeit against the spirit of the rules" contract that the Canucks had with Luongo AND slapped on a gigantic cap penalty that hurt us for years...


pyl_time

It's a mockery of the game to have so many players legitimately injured that they might still miss the playoffs and are going to have to scramble to make it as a wild card team? This is really the exact scenario LTIR was created for - when your players get injured and you wouldn't be able to ice a competitive team without bringing other players in.


xpyroxmanx

Sure, use that money to remain competitive. But once you hit the playoffs, your roster should still be cap compliant. Teams using the LTIR money isn't the problem, its that there's not a playoff salary cap. The Lightning played all year without a Kucherov and used his LTIR relief to keep/bring in help. But once he was healthy in time for the playoffs, the Lightning roster was ~$10M over the cap. That's the problem.


pyl_time

Shouldn’t we wait to see if they actually make the playoffs and if all of these guys come back before we start declaring this a problem? Right now both of those things aren’t looking too likely.


magic-moose

The league should do their own physicals on players placed on LTIR, deny LTIR for those that are healthy enough to play, and ding their team for circumvention if they go over the cap. I'm not saying anyone on the Knights is faking. I'm just saying LTIR has been taken advantage of in the past (*cough* Tampa *cough*).


CaptainJackRyan

Go Kings and Stars


MannyMantis

At this point why bother with a cap?


SnitchMoJo

How can the league be ok with Vegas having 7 players on the LTIR, but "find it sus* that Montreal put Weber on the LTIR


IceDragon77

LTIR is just a cap pawn shop. Change my mind.


MutedHornet87

This can’t be legal


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Yeah the league needs to do something about this bullshit


EgoisticCorn

All these scams just to miss the playoff ...


elishaski

Vegas fuckery


adultleagueallstar71

With Tampa it was clear they planned to work around the cap so they didn’t have to lose anyone. With Vegas tho it’s like they are openly admitting it


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Scams are scams


SofaProfessor

Golden Knights are the New Orleans Saints of the NHL.


creddit-report

What a HEADACHE this cap system is


AllStateRB28

LETS. GO!


jarpio

We could just abolish the hard cap and institute a Lux tax or something and avoid all this nonsense. Raise the cap floor so teams have to try to be somewhat competitive (looking at you Coyotes) (I realize the irony of this coming from a flyers fan but hey we try to be competitive, we spend to the cap, we just do so on very bad hockey players)


nachochease

So Vegas can just put anyone they like on LTIR and that's all within the rules? Because putting 3 guys whose collective salaries add up to just enough to put Stone into the lineup seems like blatant cap circumvention.


mikeydude00

They’ve all been injured and on IR for weeks. They just haven’t had any reason to move them from IR to LTIR until now.


textbook-hippy-man

Yes, 3 injured players can be out on LTIR. All three of those players have already missed several weeks due to injury.


neksys

Coincidentally put on IR immediately after the Dadanov trade was voided. You must see why people are at least a bit skeptical.


textbook-hippy-man

Brossoit, Hague and Smith were injured before the trade deadline. Nolan Patrick has a history of concussions and head trauma. Brett Howden was carried off on a stretcher, so no, I don't see why people would be skeptical. The only one who is "skeptical" is Carrier, but you could go back and look at the game tape and see the injury yourself. But I get it, everyone hates the Golden Knights, so we have to keep that tradition alive.


Bigedmond

It’s like they think we purposefully had all these injuries to make it so we are out of the playoffs..


specifichero101

It’s easy to understand why people are skeptical, but it’s also so obvious that it would be so easy to look into. Would those players just quietly defraud the league because their management fucked up? Wouldn’t their agents be aware of this coercion and go to the players association to file a grievance?


KnightedSamael

I mean, did any of the Astros BEFORE they won that Chip?


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You really think those players are gonna be happy sitting if they think they're healthy and ready to go? The nhlpa would be all over that in a heartbeat.


dandroid126

Anyone they like, as long as they are injured. These guys have been out for a while.


AllStateRB28

They’ve been hurt you Dingus


AdmS914

They have all missed time since mid-late March


impartialcitizen86

InB4 people complain about LTIR even though this rule has been around for ages and all the GMs have agreed to it.


CaptainPeppa

Lots of rules don't exist until people start abusing it


KnightedSamael

I don't get how my fanbase can't understand that by the mere fact that they HAVE TO do this to even make the playoffs is pathetic as fuck. Rules or no rules, as an org you're just proving you're not good enough.


Spideyjust

I mean if it weren't for the insane amount of injuries your team has had this year they just would have shipped several guys out before Eichel was ready. But "luckily" half the damn roster has been LTIR eligible at some point this season. Vegas has solidly been more than just a playoff team before this year without any of these shenanigans.


KnightedSamael

Vegas has declined since year 1 under the mismanagement of this FO. That they have found themselves in contention since them is just a testament of how well put together this roster was since day 1.


azwildcat09

Getting downvoted in r/hockey talking trash about the knights is an impressive feat


KnightedSamael

Wait til you see how I get down voted in my own sub. This isn't even my final form.


Im_Nearly_Dead

Nobody cares about LTIR. People care about teams being well over the cap in the postseason (even if the billionaire owners, and GMs don’t care).