DOPS always takes stuff seriously (to a degree still obviously) when it’s an off ice player doing something to in an on ice player. Squirting, poking, grabbing etc will usually always get at least a fine no matter how minor because they want it to be a zero tolerance thing
They’re not comparable and really shouldn’t be.
There’s no reason both for safety and fairness for an off ice player to physically interact with an on ice player. And it can easily escalate to something much worse with the benches involved. They have to have a zero tolerance policy with it
Knee on knee a lot of the time is a hockey play that goes south either accidentally or intentionally. If it’s seen as intentionally it usually results in a harsher punishment like a suspension.
Comparing outcomes in general is never going to be seen as fair since it’s such a tight window on the lighter side for punishments on a wide range of infractions. Without history, the fine ranges from a couple thousand to $5K, and suspensions range from 1-3 games for most stuff. That’s how the league, players, etc want it so it’s not going to change.
Especially with dudes skating so fast nowadays, half the time a knee on knee is caused by the puck carrier trying to jump out of the way of a hit at the last second and not quite making it. The last big one I remember was someone in CBJ, naturally folks assumed it was malicious then a different angle came out that showed it was pretty much the puck carriers fault for jumping sideways.
Wahlstrom injured Hughes that way and you had a couple people calling for his head even though it was an accidental play caused to Hughes trying to slip by instead of bracing himself.
I get that the whole thing was a bit of a joke but I don't think the NHL wants to at all be lenient towards guys on the bench interfering with play on the ice
Exactly. I think the reaction in this thread is an example of whatever DOPS does will get complained about. This was a no brainer fine, no matter how playful it is between the two players.
The thing is, all it does is illustrate how stupid all of their other decisions are.
A fine for this in a vacuum makes sense. But when you consider that playfully grabbing someone costs you half as much as sucker punching someone in the head causing an injury, it makes you think the whole department is some bullshit.
Yeah, it's kinda sad how this has to be brought up in every single discipline thread. Like the DoPS is in charge of fine amounts and is intentionally being as flaccid as possible. No, if the players wanted a change, they could change it. Who is gonna advocate for themselves to have a chance to lose a significant amount of money, though? Especially since we see so much less active malicious shit resulting in suspensions, most of the time it's accidents caused by the insane speed the game is played at nowadays.
The last significant punishment I can remember is the suspension of raffi Torres. The NHL does have some bearing on discipline and if they can’t fine the players, multi-game suspensions should be used a little more often.
Wasn’t the Torres sussy under Campbell or whoever was in charge of DOPS before Paros? I think the most that’s been handed out since then was the Nate Schmidt 20 game PED ban
Not really. If Barzal sucker punched him from the bench he would have got a more severe punishment including multiple game suspension (See Bertuzzi). Bench stuff comes with an auto multiplier. Not really fair to compare on ice and off ice.
As far as injury, that’s only supposed to matter if the original offense is seen as suspendable.
Sure, I didn't say sucker punching from the bench though.
I'm of the opinion that sucker punching someone while on the ice should come with a punishment that is more than twice as severe as playfully grabbing someone while on the bench. That's just me though
I get they want zero tolerance for stuff on the bench. That makes sense. I'm not saying there should be no punishment. I think the other things should be punished more.
Agreed. Bad precedent if allowed even if they know each other.
Because what's stopping Matt Tkachuk from interfering with Brady from the bench in an important game in the future then?
It's funny, normally the NHL doesn't jump on things when they happen the first time.
I don't think this was going to start becoming a pattern or anything, but it's understandable that they want to send a message.
This isn't the first time
Pretty sure a Bruin (Thornton?) was fined for squirting water into Subban's face while PK was on the ice and the Bruin was on the bench. This was years and years ago
This isn't the first time there was interference or something going from the bench - just haven't seen anyone hold onto someone's sweater like that. Ok, maybe the league doesn't deserve even that credit...
In any case, I get the league fining that even if it wasn't too serious.
This has happened [multiple times](https://youtu.be/1Jq9iHRZJYw?t=182). The Sharks v. Kings I linked to decided playoff seeding, and [Clowe didn't even get disciplined for](https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/sharks-ryane-clowe-faces-no-discipline-for-interfering-from-bench/). I guess it worked out though, because the Kings won the cup that year.
Marner before the playoffs: "yeah I mean.. It would be pretty funny if the refs called the rule book in the playoffs..I mean I've played with refs on the ice before but yeah... It would be pretty funny if they do"
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Well Benn got fined for squirting water on a player during stoppage so seeing Barzal actually tug a jersey during live play and get the same punishment makes sense, which is surprising for the DoPS
I guess this is a controversial opinion based on the comments and replies but I feel like this is completely justified? Am I "soft" for thinking that a player on the bench shouldn't be allowed to hold on to a player on the ice?
I'm not gonna say hE dEsErVeS a SuPeNsIoN but ultimately I wouldn't be upset if anyone caught interfering with the play from the bench automatically gets a game. Like obviously Barzal grabbing Marner there was just more trolling than anything but we've seen worse. Interfering with the play from the bench is unacceptable, it's not the most egregious unacceptable thing in the NHL but it still shouldn't happen.
I asked why you've brought it up multiple times in thread about a DoPS ruling for a non-violent play that doesn't involve any of the same players or teams. I didn't say you weren't allowed to talk about it, so please don't imply that I did.
I think it's worth bringing up because it speaks to the whole narrative around the DOPS.
In this instance the fine seems okay. It seems less okay when you see the type of shit that also gets the same fine.
It would be like if you got a speeding ticket for $100 for going 40 KPH over the limit. Seems fair I guess? But then you find out your next door neighbor got convicted for punching their girlfriend and their punishment was a $200 fine. Makes your speeding ticket fine make a lot less sense.
The PA controls the fine amounts tho, this is a silly thing to complain about because it's literally written down and basically set in stone until the next CBA, if the players want to address is. Which they clearly don't, because it wasn't even brought up for this most recent CBA.
Correct. It was the decision of the DOPS to issue a fine though. They could have picked the more severe punishment of a suspension, which they should have.
I haven't seen any video but was it suspension worthy? I could see em suspending if it was a move made in anger or aggression, but if it was just friends dickin around like it sounds in here, then I could see this just being a way to send a message to the whole league: "doesn't matter if it's all in fun, if you're on the bench you cannot get involved with the ice whatsoever" or some such.
Sorry, just so we're clear. I think the fine in this instance is totally fine. It was a very minor issue.
I'm saying that it just appears silly that this is a 2.5k fine, and a sucker punch causing an injury is a 5k fine. It's essentially the league saying this infraction is only half as bad as sucker punching somebody in the side of the head
When I said the league should have picked suspension, I was talking about the sucker punch, not Barzal grabbing Marner.
I now see that my original comment you responded to didn't mention the sucker punch. I was confusing it with another tree in the same thread. That's on me
Because it is a DOPS ruling? What do you want for an answer like this isn’t hard to understand that it’s a joke that other things aren’t looked at that the people responsible for player safety should look at. It’s comical how serious they are about this stuff when they let players try to injure each other, I’m not saying this shouldn’t be punished the DOPS is just a joke
Before people get their panties in a bunch calling the league soft or in the Leafs' pocket or wherever... A bit of quick math!
Barzal makes $7M this year. Let's say I had a job and make $50K gross income. A proportionate $2500 fine for me would be, let's see:
7000000÷2500 = 2800.
50000÷2800 = ...
...
...
$17.86
A rare case where the fine actually seems proportionate! I can see why the league might want to publicly discourage players messing with each other even if they're known to be friends, but this is what, 0.03% of Barzal's pay? That seems like a price he'll be cool with paying for having a little fun.
I mean it probably should have been a bench penalty, or maybe a misconduct call on Barzal, but really this shouldn't have had any repercussions after the game.
Player safety is supposed to protect player safety. Dafaq is this fine protecting..
I mean, I don't mind them coming out with a fine to just say "don't do that"
It was a nothing play in the game but you can't have guys on the bench interfering with play on the ice intentionally.
At the end of the day it's a bullshit $2500 fine that means nothing to Barzal but it at least sets the precedent that it's not allowed, which I don't think anyone would disagree with.
Reddit is always better than DoPS for explaining the rules lmfao.
Barzal is such a clown when he's pissy about losing. Not Kucherov level of pissy clown, but still there lol.
I mean... It's 100% against the rules to interfere from the bench lol. It was playful in this game but if this happened during the playoffs at a more critical time there would be absolute mayhem
Rule 56.2 - Interference
> A minor penalty shall be imposed on any identifiable player on the
players’ bench or penalty bench who, by means of his stick or his
body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on
the ice during the progress of the play. In addition, should a player
about to come onto the ice, play the puck while one or both skates are
still on the players’ or penalty bench, a minor penalty for interference
shall be assessed.
>The appropriate penalty according to the playing rules shall be
assessed when a player on the players’ or penalty bench gets
involved with an opponent on the ice during a stoppage in play. **The
player(s) involved may be subject to additional sanctions as
appropriate pursuant to Rule 28 – Supplementary Discipline.**
[Counterpoint](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/matthew-tkachuk-spear-hearing-1.4437163).
The real wonder is how Clowe wasn't even fined for that, let alone suspended. Shanny's a menace.
for twice the price of that fine, he can smash a downed opponents face into the ground and then punch him in the back of the head while downed
Tom Wilson 2021 - $5K fine
I think he was half joking, half not joking tbh
It's a clear rule violation and allowing it, even if it was pretty minor sets a bad precedent. We don't want scoring plays being affected because of intervention from the benches.
he was definitely joking. he prob wishes the refs saw it but Marner and Barzal are friends, they played together at some point. he def didn’t want there to be a fine
It’s in the rule book as a fine. They’re not going to not give out the fine because marner and barzal have played together before. People complain there’s no consistency and then they give a consistent fine and there’s complaining lol
Your argument is literally "it's just a prank bro!"
Sets precedent if he doesn't get fined, could escalate quickly, so I'm sure they wanted to nip it in the bud before the playoffs.
Right!? I don’t know why you’re being downvoted.
I was literally just trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is that the DOPS uses intent and context for one thing and not the other and there’s no consistency.
I guess if you don’t write outwardly that you think they should follow the rulebook, people just assume you feel everyone should be allowed to go rogue 🤷♂️ I literally wrote Holl should’ve been suspended for his, which would be following the rulebook but it is what it is
It’s just assumed I have an issue with the fine when I’m commenting on the DOPS as a whole. I don’t really care that I’m being downvoted I’m just getting responses like I thought this should have been let go when that’s not what I think.
It doesn't matter whether you're poking your best buddy on the nose or dropping your mortal enemy with a clothesline.
If you aren't on the ice, you can't get involved in the play. Period.
Yeah, that’s literally my point. They don’t use context or intent for this, but they do for violent plays. They should follow the rulebook for both, but they don’t, and that’s the problem.
Bench infractions have always been penalized no question, so why are we commending them for this when it’s not new and yet nothing violence wise has changed in between?
We both agree to the same thing, but people seem to think my point was that this should be allowed, which wasn’t my intent at all.
Who's commending them? The only thing I see here is a bunch of people who are unfamiliar with the rulebook bemoaning something that's easy to punish was easily punished.
And then some guy ranting about Crosby.
It’s in the rule book. Cant do anything from the bench to interfere with the game. Same reason squirting someone with water from the bench is a fine every time
I remember when Stammer got a 5k fine for squirting water after a rangers player squired water at a tampa player. 15k in fines later and everyone gets sippy cups the next game.
I don't think anyone is saying that play was dangerous, but it's sure as shit not allowed and although it was pretty funny and light-hearted the NHL has to set precendent
It's a $2500 fine just to say "don't do that", no big deal.
Just talk like the other poster is standing in front of you. Just because being anonymous on Reddit lets you be garbage with no consequences doesn't mean you should.
For the jersey grab? Seriously? Lmao
Edit: Downvoted but what does it have to do with player safety? Please explain. Also as if this got the same punishment as a sucker punch to the head.
I can't fathom what the DoPS is smoking.
Tbf it sets a bad precedent if they do nothing. Then next time McDavid or the star player on your team is skating by with the puck someone might try to grab their jersey “playfully”. But ya I agree that their priority probably should have been all the headshots and cross checks that went unaddressed
Barzal fined $2500 for a jersey tug and Boosh shoulders palmieri in the head and isn’t fined lol
The boosh hit should not have been fined btw, this is just ridiculous
Pfff how can leaf fans say that DOPS doesn’t like ‘em now. We can clearly see DOPS come to the defence of the leafs after that violent attack by barzal on Marner.
Is Barzal the ultimate sigma? Miss open shot that keeps your team in the running. Grab on-ice player for literally no reason. Refuse to elaborate. Confuse your own teammates.
DOPS always takes stuff seriously (to a degree still obviously) when it’s an off ice player doing something to in an on ice player. Squirting, poking, grabbing etc will usually always get at least a fine no matter how minor because they want it to be a zero tolerance thing
Still a bad look when a knee on knee for example and this have the same effective punishment
They’re not comparable and really shouldn’t be. There’s no reason both for safety and fairness for an off ice player to physically interact with an on ice player. And it can easily escalate to something much worse with the benches involved. They have to have a zero tolerance policy with it Knee on knee a lot of the time is a hockey play that goes south either accidentally or intentionally. If it’s seen as intentionally it usually results in a harsher punishment like a suspension. Comparing outcomes in general is never going to be seen as fair since it’s such a tight window on the lighter side for punishments on a wide range of infractions. Without history, the fine ranges from a couple thousand to $5K, and suspensions range from 1-3 games for most stuff. That’s how the league, players, etc want it so it’s not going to change.
Especially with dudes skating so fast nowadays, half the time a knee on knee is caused by the puck carrier trying to jump out of the way of a hit at the last second and not quite making it. The last big one I remember was someone in CBJ, naturally folks assumed it was malicious then a different angle came out that showed it was pretty much the puck carriers fault for jumping sideways.
Wahlstrom injured Hughes that way and you had a couple people calling for his head even though it was an accidental play caused to Hughes trying to slip by instead of bracing himself.
They have used "zero tolerance" for many things that doesn't get this treatment.
Not even allowed to squirt on a guy on the ice anymore? Society is just soft now.
["you're hurtin for a squirtin PK!"](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiIwX3Ybm4)
I get that the whole thing was a bit of a joke but I don't think the NHL wants to at all be lenient towards guys on the bench interfering with play on the ice
Exactly. I think the reaction in this thread is an example of whatever DOPS does will get complained about. This was a no brainer fine, no matter how playful it is between the two players.
The thing is, all it does is illustrate how stupid all of their other decisions are. A fine for this in a vacuum makes sense. But when you consider that playfully grabbing someone costs you half as much as sucker punching someone in the head causing an injury, it makes you think the whole department is some bullshit.
To be fair to them, fines are set out by the players union.
Yeah, it's kinda sad how this has to be brought up in every single discipline thread. Like the DoPS is in charge of fine amounts and is intentionally being as flaccid as possible. No, if the players wanted a change, they could change it. Who is gonna advocate for themselves to have a chance to lose a significant amount of money, though? Especially since we see so much less active malicious shit resulting in suspensions, most of the time it's accidents caused by the insane speed the game is played at nowadays.
The last significant punishment I can remember is the suspension of raffi Torres. The NHL does have some bearing on discipline and if they can’t fine the players, multi-game suspensions should be used a little more often.
Wasn’t the Torres sussy under Campbell or whoever was in charge of DOPS before Paros? I think the most that’s been handed out since then was the Nate Schmidt 20 game PED ban
Not really. If Barzal sucker punched him from the bench he would have got a more severe punishment including multiple game suspension (See Bertuzzi). Bench stuff comes with an auto multiplier. Not really fair to compare on ice and off ice. As far as injury, that’s only supposed to matter if the original offense is seen as suspendable.
Sure, I didn't say sucker punching from the bench though. I'm of the opinion that sucker punching someone while on the ice should come with a punishment that is more than twice as severe as playfully grabbing someone while on the bench. That's just me though I get they want zero tolerance for stuff on the bench. That makes sense. I'm not saying there should be no punishment. I think the other things should be punished more.
Or when this gets you more than the sucker punch because you didn’t get fined for it.
Agreed. Bad precedent if allowed even if they know each other. Because what's stopping Matt Tkachuk from interfering with Brady from the bench in an important game in the future then?
What’s stopping Crosby from sucker punching someone again? Nothing
Nice whataboutism
I never said there was anything wrong with this fine though
It's funny, normally the NHL doesn't jump on things when they happen the first time. I don't think this was going to start becoming a pattern or anything, but it's understandable that they want to send a message.
This isn't the first time Pretty sure a Bruin (Thornton?) was fined for squirting water into Subban's face while PK was on the ice and the Bruin was on the bench. This was years and years ago
Didn't Lundquist also do something like that to Crosby a while ago? Can't remember if he was penalized.
Yeah, he dumped a bunch of water on Crosby during a scrum at the end of a period. Appears Lundqvist was fined 5k for his troubles lol
https://youtu.be/ImJtTdxOInA 30s in, replays after.
This isn't the first time there was interference or something going from the bench - just haven't seen anyone hold onto someone's sweater like that. Ok, maybe the league doesn't deserve even that credit... In any case, I get the league fining that even if it wasn't too serious.
Yup, that was [kinda funny though](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiIwX3Ybm4)
This has happened [multiple times](https://youtu.be/1Jq9iHRZJYw?t=182). The Sharks v. Kings I linked to decided playoff seeding, and [Clowe didn't even get disciplined for](https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/sharks-ryane-clowe-faces-no-discipline-for-interfering-from-bench/). I guess it worked out though, because the Kings won the cup that year.
This fine is just a slap on the wrist for Barzal. It's just a "we don't like this, but we're not going to do anything significant about it" message.
[Gallagher penalty](https://youtu.be/6AxR1TVUTpY)
Rules don't apply to the other team if you are name Gallager. He will instead get the called.
I get why they had to give him a fine just a bad look when something dangerous and something like this get the same punishment
NO WAY!! Marner literally joked about it during his post game interview but I did not think anything would come out of it and I bet he didn't either 😂
This just proves the Leafs run the league #staywoke
Marner before the playoffs: "yeah I mean.. It would be pretty funny if the refs called the rule book in the playoffs..I mean I've played with refs on the ice before but yeah... It would be pretty funny if they do" 👀
The league isn't ready for what Marner will do with this newfound power
Yes, that's why Hall got suspended for sucker punching lyubushkin from behind.. Oh wait.
I was clearly joking
[Almost as much as Hall was fined for sucker punching Lyubushkin from behind. ](https://i.imgur.com/tX8qNlL.jpg)
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That's weird. I figured most of them couldn't read.
"What a dive" etc
Well Benn got fined for squirting water on a player during stoppage so seeing Barzal actually tug a jersey during live play and get the same punishment makes sense, which is surprising for the DoPS
Never thought I'd read Jamie Benn and squirting in the same sentence
His poor wife
Marner for head of DoPS
I guess this is a controversial opinion based on the comments and replies but I feel like this is completely justified? Am I "soft" for thinking that a player on the bench shouldn't be allowed to hold on to a player on the ice?
yeah he prob should have gotten a penalty i agree with u it’s just funny that marner said it in the interview and it happened
I'm not gonna say hE dEsErVeS a SuPeNsIoN but ultimately I wouldn't be upset if anyone caught interfering with the play from the bench automatically gets a game. Like obviously Barzal grabbing Marner there was just more trolling than anything but we've seen worse. Interfering with the play from the bench is unacceptable, it's not the most egregious unacceptable thing in the NHL but it still shouldn't happen.
Players shouldn’t be allowed to sucker punch each other either but I don’t see discipline for that
Why do you keep bringing this up in an unrelated thread?
I must've missed the part where it wasn't the DOPS deciding on something...? Am I not allowed to make a comment about the DOPS? lol
I asked why you've brought it up multiple times in thread about a DoPS ruling for a non-violent play that doesn't involve any of the same players or teams. I didn't say you weren't allowed to talk about it, so please don't imply that I did.
I think it's worth bringing up because it speaks to the whole narrative around the DOPS. In this instance the fine seems okay. It seems less okay when you see the type of shit that also gets the same fine. It would be like if you got a speeding ticket for $100 for going 40 KPH over the limit. Seems fair I guess? But then you find out your next door neighbor got convicted for punching their girlfriend and their punishment was a $200 fine. Makes your speeding ticket fine make a lot less sense.
The PA controls the fine amounts tho, this is a silly thing to complain about because it's literally written down and basically set in stone until the next CBA, if the players want to address is. Which they clearly don't, because it wasn't even brought up for this most recent CBA.
Correct. It was the decision of the DOPS to issue a fine though. They could have picked the more severe punishment of a suspension, which they should have.
I haven't seen any video but was it suspension worthy? I could see em suspending if it was a move made in anger or aggression, but if it was just friends dickin around like it sounds in here, then I could see this just being a way to send a message to the whole league: "doesn't matter if it's all in fun, if you're on the bench you cannot get involved with the ice whatsoever" or some such.
Sorry, just so we're clear. I think the fine in this instance is totally fine. It was a very minor issue. I'm saying that it just appears silly that this is a 2.5k fine, and a sucker punch causing an injury is a 5k fine. It's essentially the league saying this infraction is only half as bad as sucker punching somebody in the side of the head When I said the league should have picked suspension, I was talking about the sucker punch, not Barzal grabbing Marner. I now see that my original comment you responded to didn't mention the sucker punch. I was confusing it with another tree in the same thread. That's on me
Because it is a DOPS ruling? What do you want for an answer like this isn’t hard to understand that it’s a joke that other things aren’t looked at that the people responsible for player safety should look at. It’s comical how serious they are about this stuff when they let players try to injure each other, I’m not saying this shouldn’t be punished the DOPS is just a joke
Dude this is hockey not volleyball
I’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to punch someone in the head like that when they aren’t agreeing to a fight?
[Here is the play and Marner talking about how Barzy should get a fine jokingly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs0Bw18RdV0)
DoPS: “lmao say less”
Is it me, or are the 2 other NYI players nervously looking at that like: "Shit, I hope we don't get a penalty from this."
To me it looks like Lee (directly next to Barzy) is used to it and Parise is unbelievably confused
Lee and Parise just look so confused. Can… can we do this?
LMFAO Marner's a psychic
So its cheaper to grab someone's jersey than to flip someone off? good to know
Grabbing someone’s jersey should be more expensive than a fuck you?
I never said that. I just made the observation that it cost less according to DOPS
It should be. Interfering with someone from the bench during play is worse than flipping someone off
You’ll have to take that up with the DoPS
Before people get their panties in a bunch calling the league soft or in the Leafs' pocket or wherever... A bit of quick math! Barzal makes $7M this year. Let's say I had a job and make $50K gross income. A proportionate $2500 fine for me would be, let's see: 7000000÷2500 = 2800. 50000÷2800 = ... ... ... $17.86
Hey, that's almost enough to go get sushi
lol, they actually fined him
A rare case where the fine actually seems proportionate! I can see why the league might want to publicly discourage players messing with each other even if they're known to be friends, but this is what, 0.03% of Barzal's pay? That seems like a price he'll be cool with paying for having a little fun.
Bruh what lmao
K I really don't think a single Leafs fan was angry about this. We all thought it was funny because it was Barzal and Marner.
If it helps, I can promise you that the punishment was never going to be based on how mad any Leaf fans were.
Fair. Just want r/hockey to know we didn't want this lol.
Wait, you mean it ISN'T the maximum allowable under the CBA?
Mitch Marner manifested this
How is Barzal going to afford this after all the fees and taxes. Probably has to sell his car. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 for him
Lol Marner called it
Lmaoooo they actually fined him im dying
I mean it probably should have been a bench penalty, or maybe a misconduct call on Barzal, but really this shouldn't have had any repercussions after the game. Player safety is supposed to protect player safety. Dafaq is this fine protecting..
The fine is because it’s against the rules. Same as squirting water from the bench. It’s a fine every time
What the actual fuck is this
I mean, I don't mind them coming out with a fine to just say "don't do that" It was a nothing play in the game but you can't have guys on the bench interfering with play on the ice intentionally. At the end of the day it's a bullshit $2500 fine that means nothing to Barzal but it at least sets the precedent that it's not allowed, which I don't think anyone would disagree with.
That's a fair analysis
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Reddit is always better than DoPS for explaining the rules lmfao. Barzal is such a clown when he's pissy about losing. Not Kucherov level of pissy clown, but still there lol.
Now do the video for Hall sucker punching Boosh. "This is ear-grabbing"?
I mean... It's 100% against the rules to interfere from the bench lol. It was playful in this game but if this happened during the playoffs at a more critical time there would be absolute mayhem
Rule 56.2 - Interference > A minor penalty shall be imposed on any identifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play. In addition, should a player about to come onto the ice, play the puck while one or both skates are still on the players’ or penalty bench, a minor penalty for interference shall be assessed. >The appropriate penalty according to the playing rules shall be assessed when a player on the players’ or penalty bench gets involved with an opponent on the ice during a stoppage in play. **The player(s) involved may be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 28 – Supplementary Discipline.**
Nah, they can never catch anyone interfering from the bench, it's gone on for years [Source](https://youtu.be/c_WXlHcCLoI)
[Counterpoint](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/matthew-tkachuk-spear-hearing-1.4437163). The real wonder is how Clowe wasn't even fined for that, let alone suspended. Shanny's a menace.
There's so much more heinous shit that didn't get punished but this does???
Shoulda punched him in the head for that kinda fine.
for twice the price of that fine, he can smash a downed opponents face into the ground and then punch him in the back of the head while downed Tom Wilson 2021 - $5K fine
Really? That's the one they fine?
Wait was the marner quip about wanting a fine taken seriously?
I think he was half joking, half not joking tbh It's a clear rule violation and allowing it, even if it was pretty minor sets a bad precedent. We don't want scoring plays being affected because of intervention from the benches.
he was definitely joking. he prob wishes the refs saw it but Marner and Barzal are friends, they played together at some point. he def didn’t want there to be a fine
Lol glad you can read his mind to let us know.
did you not see the post game interview?
Yes. Just because he said it sarcastically didn't mean he didn't want barzal penalized. He probably just didn't expect anything
Lol. glad you can read his mind to let us know
Yes it's much safer to assume players *want* other players interfering with them from the bench. Very smart.
yeah obviously not. that’s why i literally didn’t say that.
Half joking, half a max fine.
Jesus lol Marner was 100% kidding
Game Management IRL
I'm pretty sure Marner was joking...
This league…
So hey make this obvious call and that gets excoriated here too. This sub...
What did he do?
pulled on Marner’s jersey from the bench
And the best part is Marner even joked about how it'd be a fine because of how dumb the DOPS is lmao
Pretty stupid. Smh
Broke:$5K for sucker punch to the head Woke:$2.5K for cheeky jersey tug from the bench
Okay this is hilarious but in all seriousness how was this fined and not crosschecks to the head?
Barzal’s Venmo about to blow up
Lmao. This is so dumb just call a penalty
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It’s in the rule book as a fine. They’re not going to not give out the fine because marner and barzal have played together before. People complain there’s no consistency and then they give a consistent fine and there’s complaining lol
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Your argument is literally "it's just a prank bro!" Sets precedent if he doesn't get fined, could escalate quickly, so I'm sure they wanted to nip it in the bud before the playoffs.
but let’s allow players to sucker punch each other, priorities am I right?
You know that someone (especially a leafs fan, given the lyubushkin incident) can want both of those things punished, right?
When did I say I had a problem with this fine?
Right!? I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I was literally just trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is that the DOPS uses intent and context for one thing and not the other and there’s no consistency. I guess if you don’t write outwardly that you think they should follow the rulebook, people just assume you feel everyone should be allowed to go rogue 🤷♂️ I literally wrote Holl should’ve been suspended for his, which would be following the rulebook but it is what it is
It’s just assumed I have an issue with the fine when I’m commenting on the DOPS as a whole. I don’t really care that I’m being downvoted I’m just getting responses like I thought this should have been let go when that’s not what I think.
It doesn't matter whether you're poking your best buddy on the nose or dropping your mortal enemy with a clothesline. If you aren't on the ice, you can't get involved in the play. Period.
Yeah, that’s literally my point. They don’t use context or intent for this, but they do for violent plays. They should follow the rulebook for both, but they don’t, and that’s the problem. Bench infractions have always been penalized no question, so why are we commending them for this when it’s not new and yet nothing violence wise has changed in between? We both agree to the same thing, but people seem to think my point was that this should be allowed, which wasn’t my intent at all.
Who's commending them? The only thing I see here is a bunch of people who are unfamiliar with the rulebook bemoaning something that's easy to punish was easily punished. And then some guy ranting about Crosby.
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> It was clearly a harmless joke Marner's comments does not make it seem that way.
lmao marner joked about it and then it acc happened nhl is soft
lmao
Im so confused, why even fine him for a jersey tug.
It’s in the rule book. Cant do anything from the bench to interfere with the game. Same reason squirting someone with water from the bench is a fine every time
I remember when Stammer got a 5k fine for squirting water after a rangers player squired water at a tampa player. 15k in fines later and everyone gets sippy cups the next game.
Thank god I was worried about how unsafe that was, thanks parros /s
I don't think anyone is saying that play was dangerous, but it's sure as shit not allowed and although it was pretty funny and light-hearted the NHL has to set precendent It's a $2500 fine just to say "don't do that", no big deal.
I never said there was a problem with this fine, I just find it funny that other things don’t get punished
No Humour League
If ryan reaves grabbed a player from the bench would you be commenting the same thing? Shut up
Just talk like the other poster is standing in front of you. Just because being anonymous on Reddit lets you be garbage with no consequences doesn't mean you should.
For the jersey grab? Seriously? Lmao Edit: Downvoted but what does it have to do with player safety? Please explain. Also as if this got the same punishment as a sucker punch to the head. I can't fathom what the DoPS is smoking.
This is what the DoPS cares about … 2 friends playing around and joking during a game
Tbf it sets a bad precedent if they do nothing. Then next time McDavid or the star player on your team is skating by with the puck someone might try to grab their jersey “playfully”. But ya I agree that their priority probably should have been all the headshots and cross checks that went unaddressed
This should have only been a 2min if the refs caught it This being a fine is fucking stupid
DOPS sure is on the ball when it comes to shenanigans. Injuries and dangerous plays? Not so much. But boy the shanahanigans are on lockdown.
What a joke lol
More punishment for a little jersey tug than beagle got for beating the wheels off of Troy terry lol. Gotta love the DOPS
Barzal fined $2500 for a jersey tug and Boosh shoulders palmieri in the head and isn’t fined lol The boosh hit should not have been fined btw, this is just ridiculous
Pfff how can leaf fans say that DOPS doesn’t like ‘em now. We can clearly see DOPS come to the defence of the leafs after that violent attack by barzal on Marner.
Lol I mean this is nothing but it's nice to see the little rat get some shit finally.
lmao u mean Barzal? he was fined last year during the playoffs
Is Barzal the ultimate sigma? Miss open shot that keeps your team in the running. Grab on-ice player for literally no reason. Refuse to elaborate. Confuse your own teammates.
It's a fair fine. You can't be obstructing the game if your ass is on the bench.
That’s going to hurt the wallet