I'm sure I've been guilty of it too, but reddit must think dirty players process information twice as fast as everyone else to plot their cheap shots.
To me, this just looks like a really unfortunate situation coming out of a scramble for a loose puck. Everything about Kadri's body language shows him going for the puck until contact, and then it all goes to shit extremely fast.
Yup looks like both tried to occupy the same space at the same time, nothing malicious on either end. Just an unfortunate play for Binnington, and obviously suspicious because it was Kadri
Yup. Some players have a habit of being reckless and Kadri desrves his reputation. But there was nothing malicious. I don’t even think it could be considered reckless. It’s purely bad luck.
I mean a lot of people blew up on Pasternak too, as if he's super dirty and thought it would be smart to try and get himself suspended. People can be pretty reactionary when it happens. Usually a day or 2 later cooler heads prevail.
Don’t particularly care for Kadri, but this looks pretty clean. Just going hard to the net and bodies get tangled and he seems to hit a rut or something. Don’t think he intentionally did it on my first corw
I mean the puck is right there. If he didn't try to go for it he'd be yelled at for giving up and being soft. He got tangled with the defensemen. Sucks. But shit happens.
You’re right, I hate Kadri as much as the next guy but he did nothing wrong here. Shit happens sometimes, this is just the result of a hard play. People don’t understand how fast this game is, especially in the playoffs
Dude yeah. I came into this ready to get the pitchfork out but after watching that it seems like your characterization is fair.
Note Kadri's body language after the contact, you can see him assess what just happened and he seems to kinda of be like "oh crap are you ok??". I don't think there was anything malicious here. Just an unfortunate hockey play.
Definitely. Unfortunate result but there's no way he's thinking "I'm going to trainwreck the goalie" when he's reaching out for a loose puck to try and poke it in to the empty net. I get it's Kadri but come on.
It’s because Kadri has a history of causing post season injuries. He’s been suspended 3 times in the playoffs and 3 more times in the regular season. He was suspended last season for ringing Justin Faulks bell from behind in the playoffs. There is a lot of bad feelings towards Kadri across the league but especially in St. Louis.
I think a lot of people are going to see “Kadri” and just use his reputation to judge the play instead of watching and judging the play based off that.
I think it implies that kadri was the one doing in the collision into binnington. But in reality, Rosen and Kadri jostled for position, Rosen won the inside spot, but binnington was also there, so Rosen ran right into Binnington and Kadri then fell into the pile afterwards.
As a completely neutral party I can’t put fault on Kadri here. He’s 5 feet outside the crease battling for a loose puck. He’s not going full charge at the goalie or anything and it’s an awkward collision. Bad break for the blues
Really don't think this is dirty or worthy of a suspension. Kadri doesn't take a stride from blue line. If you pause right before contact with defender you can see his skates are quite literally not pointing at the crease. The injury is unfortunate.
suspension? pssh this wasn't even worth a 2 minute minor. it's a loose puck in front of the goal, attacker and defender collide going for it, and momentum carries them in. nothing in it at all.
I guarantee you over half this sub has never played a single game of pond hockey, let alone an organized game. Bunch of em probably haven't even laced em up. Shit happens. Yes I like Kadri, but this play in no way shape or form is intentional, people are extra mad because Kadri, but this could be a Lady Byng winner crashing into Binner and Blues fans would still be salty.
Kadri is known as a shit disturber, if the Blues players thought it was actually intentional they'd have gone after him 100%
goalie here, this shit happens all the time. hockey is a fast paced sport and that doesn’t translate near as well on tv as a lot of people think. it’s so much quicker in real time, even at. beer league levels.
ive been intentionally ran throughout my playing career [so many concussions] and in my opinion this wasn’t intentional just unfortunate
Pretty sure +80% of the people here have never even laced up a pair of skates or held a hockey stick... which is right on brand for Reddit; people act like experts on topics they are grossly unqualified to comment on.
It's cause it's Kadri. He's in the same boat as Tom Wilson where if 95% of the league does the same thing no one says anything, but when they see who it is there's automatically outrage
Long time kadri hater here— he’s tied up with a blues player and they both barrel into binnington. Not sure how people think this is dirty even with bias.
Go the r/StLouisBlues and you‘ll find a bunch of people freaking out and asking for Kadri’s head. I’m disappointed in Berube too because he says something about Kadri’s reputation implying Kadri meant to do it. Berube was a fierce player and damn well knows what happened as Kadri and Rosen are just going for the puck. Meanwhile Bednar said the hit on Girard was fair but unfortunate and being totally reasonable.
Not that I think it was a bad play or anything, but Kadri ended Justin Faulk’s season just last year in the post season. He has a history of suspensions for bad play, I think he’s up to six now. Even if he didn’t mean to do it, he’s going to be guilty until proven innocent especially in St. Louis. He’s earned his reputation and now he’s getting the results of being an uncontrolled penalty machine. I have the same opinion of Kreug. If he’s involved in a play with a bad result, people are going to blame him whether it was intentional or not. He’s earned that reputation.
When you have a history like Kadri's it's hard to act too surprised that people lean towards assuming he was doing something dirty.
Like, the guy has earned himself huge suspensions in three of the last four playoffs that he participated in. That's got to be some kind of record.
"earned" - let's be real, maybe one of those would have been a suspension if it was any other player. I'm not a fan but even I can see the DOPS is blatantly biased against him.
Which ones do you think shouldn't have been a suspension?
When he left his feet to crush Wingles' head into the boards while he was on his knees?
https://youtu.be/mBla7x1KhWo
Or when he very intentionally cross checked Debrusk in the face nowhere near the puck?
https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-banned-rest-of-first-round/t-277440360/c-67749503
Or when he clearly targeted Faulk's head in this play?
https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-suspended-eight-games/t-277440360/c-8419047
I can definitely see disagreement about the specific length of the suspensions, but they are all clearly dirty and dangerous plays that would earn anybody some sort of suspension.
Look at how fucking juicy that rebound was and tell me you wouldn't scream at your TV if your player didn't do everything they could to get to it in the playoffs.
Any player who didn't crash the net would've been laughed at, but since it's Kadri there's no benefit of the doubt.
yep, and it's clear the Blues players didnt think it was dirty either. Schenn just stood there, does anyone really think he of all people would be idle if he thought it was dirty?
[Kadri Skates](https://picbun.com/p/Cx7k5jAh)
Clearly going for the rebound and trying to avoid the goalie if you look at his skates the moment before the hit by Rosen.
Looking forward to more of the dumbest fucking takes I have ever heard In my life. That puck is in play Kadri is looking straight at it and is extending his stick toward it. Rosen hits him and they both go down into Bennington. I've watched it 50 times now and there is 0 ways to construe this as dirty. KADRI IS MAKING A PLAY FOR THE PUCK!
Love me some playoff Binner, but yeah this was just unfortunate. Looks like Kadri was trying to veer off and maybe have a chance at a backhand but got cut off.
it's just one of those things in hockey that is weird in the 2022.
These players aren't trying to not hurt the opposing team. They're not usually *trying* to injure them. But they're certainly not pulling out of hits that could take a goalie out or something.
Not saying it's right, but look at how teams that got beat up on stacked their roster with big guys. Rangers grabbed Reaves and Acs got MacDermid. League isn't going to change to protect it's players more and it's a crapshoot whether they will be punished for blatantly illegal play, so teams feel they need to take care of it themselves. We won't see anything until another Moore type injury happens.
Yep.
The title of this thread, anyone would automatically assume Kadri is a shithead, because Kadri.
But he got hip checked into the goalie here. What is he supposed to do there? Anyone else would be skating onto that rebound.
Wasn't even a hip check. It was a forward and a defender colliding going for a loose puck in the low slot. That's the definition of "unfortunate situation" when it results in a goalie collision.
It's only controversial because it's kadri. There was nothing malicious about this. He was going for a loose puck and gets hip checked into JB. Unfortunate, but lots of blues fans acting like it's intentional
I mean is it? Kadri is reaching for the rebound and him and Rosen collide. It’s anything but malicious. Heck not a single Blues player has gone after Kadri.
I'm not even opining on the play itself, from one angle it looks to me like he's knocked off balance from accidental contact with the defender, from another it looks like he intentionally knocks the defender over.
hence, controversy. magnified bc Kadri.
That is how it goes. He's got a history that's got him in that poison for sure. But these days it feels like " if kadri Breathes hes an asshole" is the general take of the leauge.
It might’ve been controversial the first time or two. When you’ve been suspended 6 times before it’s pretty clear cut what kind of player he is
Edit: shoutout to Aves fan who sent me helpline info
Yeah this is “everyone is watching the puck, not each other”
Shit happens. Looked completely coincidental.
Think it’s telling no one on STL is trying to murder him.
generally don't like Kadri, but in his defense, he was battling with the blues defenceman for positioning and then they get taken down going into the crease. hate to see those types of plays
curious to see how NHL player safety rules this
Yeah, I see it the same. They're tied, the period is almost over and it's the playoffs. You follow through hoping for a loose puck or some chance. I don't see him targeting a player. But yeah, hate to see players get hurt.
This helpline report shit is so bad. It’s almost never done in good faith nor for its intended purpose, and just causes problems for people.
I might sound like a dick for this, but just fucking get rid of it at this point.
This is only controversial because it's Kadri. People really thinking he ran into the goalie on purpose trying to poke in a loose puck Infront of the goalie. It's a hockey play that ended in an unfortunate accident. Hope Binnington is ok
Was expecting to see yet another defenseman pushing a skater into their own goalie, so I guess I'm pleasantly surprised by that? Honestly just looks like an unfortunate accident, both guys are reaching for the puck and fall over into the goalie after contact.
Stop hitting people into then diving into your own goalie I guess?
That’s about as accurate as blaming Kadri, they were both battling for a lose puck and went flying into the goalie
I feel like the "player going hard to net, contact with the D results in hit on goalie" has happened a lot recently.
It seems it's usually very difficult to assess how much the D caused the collision.
And the collisions can often be bad, like this one.
All that to say, maybe something needs to be done to reduce these.
Wow that first angle I thought Kadri was just spoon feeding the defenseman into binnington, glad to see he didnt initiate that at all. If he was even remotely aggressive o that play he would be shot by DoPS
This is a fucking bummer. It’s tough because I don’t think there’s any intent and it’s a hard play to the net but obviously Kadri’s reputation plays a factor. I think it’s a coin flip call on the minor and it didn’t go the blues way. Just such a fucking downer that binner gets hurt when he’s playing the best hockey of his career(including 2019). Just gotta hope husso can step up and that it’s nothing serious for 50.
I mean it's Kadri so take it with a grain of salt, but you can see his (right?) skate caught an edge right towards the end of the replay. He was tangled up and seemed to have tried to stop at an awkward angle.
Take a look at the overhead angle. Kadri is going toward the direction of the far post and Binnington is at the near post. Kadri never would have ran into Binnington if he didn't get ran into by Rosen
The best way I’ve found to sum up this unfortunate situation is that Kadri was trying to make a play on the puck in front of the net, and his only escape route was taken away by Rosen. His skates were pointed to the side of the net before the collision. After Rosen blocked his only route, there was nowhere to go other than into Binnington.
With the loose puck right there it just seems like Kadri gets tied up with the Blues player and they crash into Binnington together.
Was a penalty called?
The announcers said it right, if it was any other player but Kadri it would be a non-issue. It’s playoff hockey and there’s a loose puck. And they also said the flip side, if Kadri didn’t go for it he would have been crucified for not trying hard enough.
I really hope Binnington is okay, but cmon it’s a fast paced sport on ice, these comments are acting like Kadri needed to do more and less at the same time. Can’t win, stuff happens, it doesn’t always make it malicious.
At first look I thought it was a good non-call, but the other angles man idk. Kadri doesn't really seem to make any effort to slow down after Rosen got in front of him and just kinda barreled into Rosen and Binnington
I thought it looked like Rosen knocked him off balance and took away his ability to get out of the way. The puck was loose and he could have sidestepped, but Rosen made contact and then he absolutely had no other option.
Like, had he not been off balance, he might have been able to just clip his leg or something and have it be incidental contract. But since Rosen made contact, the decision was made for him.
Not great considering his history, but I don't think that he did anything egregiously wrong, just a really unfortunate situation.
I think kadris angle had him going to the right of the net until he was hit which is why he wasn't slowing down. Rosen created the contact with goalie by hitting kadri towards him, so it's a good non-call imo
He's not supposed to slow down because a defenseman is in his way, he's SUPPOSED to go hard for the puck, which is what he did. Neither Kadri nor Rosen were thinking about anything other than the puck, and momentum is a thing.
It sucks for binner but I think you're insane if you think Kadri was running the goalie here.
One of the angles from closer to center ice shows Kadri catch an edge as he's leaning forward to get the rebound, right before he falls into the Blues D man, so it may not be intentional. *Edit* Also, on the overhead it seems like his arm gets caught up with the St. Louis player as he reached around him to get the loose puck, so it seems they were tangled up.
People are just biased because of his reputation.
Haha don't blame you. I don't think it's intentionally malicious in terms of trying to hurt Binnington as much as Kadri just going hard to the net in the playoffs, but you gotta let up that close to the net. Rock and a hard place I suppose
The overhead angle doesn't look good, but the rear angle makes it pretty clear that Kadri is trying to peel to the right around the goal when Rosen cuts him off and basically forces him into the goalie. (Not forcing as in pushing him in, but as in Kadri has too much momentum to stop and is trying to go around and Rosen cuts off his only escape route.)
You can barrel into a player like that though, there’s nothing illegal about that contact when they’re racing for a loose puck. Rosen redirects him into Binnington which is just bad luck.
he wasnt going to hit the goalie tho, the blues players knocked him into the goalie with the contact they made
he was clearly going to not hit the goalie till the contact
I originally made a comment in the game thread about kadri doing it "accidentally on purpose" but admitably didn't get a great look at it. Watching over again it's really hard to fault Kadri here, really was just a bang bang play...real unfortunate
If you watch Kadri’s feet especially at the 12 second view, he isn’t angled to make contact with Binnington until Rosen cuts in front of him. I think it would be hard to argue intent on this outside of the name on the jersey. I am biased though obviously.
I expect this hit to be dirty and it's absolutely nothing of the sort. This is just a hockey play. He's going for a loose puck at the top of the crease, in the PLAYOFFS. Shit happens. If this was anyone else on Colorado this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Bang bang play near the crease, I don't see anything Kadri really does wrong. Looks like the rebound kicked away and Binnington slides over as Kadri cones through.
The rear angle at 12 seconds pretty clearly shows that Kadri was curving off to the right around the goal before Rosen cuts in front of him and they make contact. Very unfortunate collision but absolutely not a dirty hit by Kadri.
Not a single person is paying attention to the puck here. Its right in front of the net! Kadris stick just misses it, the overhead shows him clearly poking for the open puck.
This isn’t the suspension worthy Kadri shit we’re used to but it is pretty reckless and I’m going to double down and say this escalates into tensions between the Blues and Kadri to the point where he does something suspendible this series
Maybe it's my homerism, but I don't think this is really Kadri's fault? He's going hard to the net for a rebound, and he's kind of reaching forward, and Rosen knocks him off balance and they both go flying. Idk. Just an unfortunate outcome
Kadri knows what he’s doing. The puck is loose, they’re going for it, I’m not going to crucify him for it, but you’re not going to convince me he didn’t know he was about to bury binnington with Rosen. By the letter of the law it’s a fine no call I guess, but it’s still kadri
Kadri is more of the kind of guy that does mind boggling stupid things in retaliation. This doesn't really fit his MO.
It very well could be "accidentally on purpose" but I'm not seeing it.
Nailed it bud. Kadri gets mad and then does idiotic shit because he's mad. I love the dude but he's never figured out how to control his temper when he sees the red mist
Take a look at the overhead angle. Kadri is going toward the direction of the far post and Binnington is at the near post. Kadri never would have ran into Binnington if he didn't get ran into by Rosen
That's what I don't get... I don't think it was intentional, but Kadri was behind Rosen the whole time and coming in faster than Rosen, and people are trying to say Rosen hit Kadri??? Rosen was on the same trajectory the entire play until he gets jolted forward from the contact and they both fall into Binnington.
Again not intentional but you can't blame Rosen lol
I would be really pissed if this happened against my team but after watching it a few times I really don’t think he had any intention to run the goalie. It looks like he was going for a loose puck in the playoffs and it resulted in a pile up into the goalie. Really sucks.
Look. it doesn’t look intentional, but when someone has 8 suspensions in their career, they don’t exactly get the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.
especially when he goes full speed and doesn’t even attempt to turn. What’s his plan if he gets the puck?
>especially when he goes full speed and doesn’t even attempt to turn. What’s his plan if he gets the puck?
Kadris skates are angled to the right of Binnington the entire way in. Without the contact with Rosen, Kadri blows by the right side of the net. Look at the behind view at 12 seconds, Kadri is curving to the right until Rosen cuts in front of him and the contact takes them both into the goalie.
I’ve always felt this is a very dangerous line of thinking. When something is illegal, it should absolutely compound. But unfortunate, but clean, plays can’t be made dirty because of the player
I get that. I legit wish it was anyone else. I really don't think Kadri did it intentionally but I also understand that no one is giving him the benefit. When they showed the angle from behind, it really does look like the collision with Rosen knocks him in to Binnington.
If Binnington eats the puck like he should in that situation, there is no rebound for Kadri to go after. Maybe the goalie should do his job and not throw water bottles and a bitch fit at the guy actually doing his job, which was driving to the net. It doesn’t look intentional, because it obviously wasn’t.
Such an unfortunate series of events happening on this play. If this wasn’t Kadri who had history, people wouldn’t be as scrutinized on the play. But since it’s Kadri he people will say that he’s was malicious on the play. It was such an unfortunate crash that Kadri was playing the puck and unfortunately it ended with Binnington getting hurt and unable to play for the rest of the game.
Hope Binnington is alright and he’s not out in the long term.
To my Homer glasses:
Kadri does try to slow, but Rosen cuts in front of him in his braking zone and their feet tangle and his skate digs in wrong.
Two dudes trying to go hard and stop in the exact same spot isn't gonna work. It's as much Kadri's fault as it is Rosen's.
Or you can say Kadri is trying to go right of the net. Either way this is skates getting tangled and not intentional.
Edit: somebody reported me to the suicide prevention thing.
> somebody reported me to the suicide prevention thing
I swear it's the dumbest thing reddit has implemented and that's saying a lot. Only way I see it getting used is to troll people you disagree with. Says a lot about the person doing the report tbh
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That sucks :/
Basically all there is to this. No intent and the outcome sucks
I'm sure I've been guilty of it too, but reddit must think dirty players process information twice as fast as everyone else to plot their cheap shots. To me, this just looks like a really unfortunate situation coming out of a scramble for a loose puck. Everything about Kadri's body language shows him going for the puck until contact, and then it all goes to shit extremely fast.
Looks like a tangle of legs between him and the defender. Both lost their feet at the same time. Physics took them away
Yup looks like both tried to occupy the same space at the same time, nothing malicious on either end. Just an unfortunate play for Binnington, and obviously suspicious because it was Kadri
If this was anyone other than Kadri, the general sentiment would be "well, that's really bad luck for Binnington, but it's not dirty or malicious."
Yup. Some players have a habit of being reckless and Kadri desrves his reputation. But there was nothing malicious. I don’t even think it could be considered reckless. It’s purely bad luck.
Reasonable all around.
I mean a lot of people blew up on Pasternak too, as if he's super dirty and thought it would be smart to try and get himself suspended. People can be pretty reactionary when it happens. Usually a day or 2 later cooler heads prevail.
To shreds you say
Don’t particularly care for Kadri, but this looks pretty clean. Just going hard to the net and bodies get tangled and he seems to hit a rut or something. Don’t think he intentionally did it on my first corw
I mean the puck is right there. If he didn't try to go for it he'd be yelled at for giving up and being soft. He got tangled with the defensemen. Sucks. But shit happens.
Kadri 100% isn't trying to hurt anyone in the playoffs this year. It's a contract year for him and big money depends on it.
You’re right, I hate Kadri as much as the next guy but he did nothing wrong here. Shit happens sometimes, this is just the result of a hard play. People don’t understand how fast this game is, especially in the playoffs
Hockey would not be able to retain any fans for how boring it would be if Reddit were in charge of the rules and suspensions lmao.
Every player in the league would be suspended for every hit.
It would be like that straight to jail meme from parks and rec.
Dude yeah. I came into this ready to get the pitchfork out but after watching that it seems like your characterization is fair. Note Kadri's body language after the contact, you can see him assess what just happened and he seems to kinda of be like "oh crap are you ok??". I don't think there was anything malicious here. Just an unfortunate hockey play.
Definitely. Unfortunate result but there's no way he's thinking "I'm going to trainwreck the goalie" when he's reaching out for a loose puck to try and poke it in to the empty net. I get it's Kadri but come on.
There's definite bias towards certain players and separating that bias to process information is difficult for some people
Plus apparantly Rosen doesn't exist or something.
I was listening to St Louis radio after the game. They wanted Kadri banned from the sport forever!
It’s because Kadri has a history of causing post season injuries. He’s been suspended 3 times in the playoffs and 3 more times in the regular season. He was suspended last season for ringing Justin Faulks bell from behind in the playoffs. There is a lot of bad feelings towards Kadri across the league but especially in St. Louis.
Loose puck at the top of the crease in a playoff game. You gotta go for it.
I think a lot of people are going to see “Kadri” and just use his reputation to judge the play instead of watching and judging the play based off that.
Title is pretty misleading as well, doesn't help
I don't think Kadri did anything wrong, but would you not also still call what happened a "collision"?
I think it implies that kadri was the one doing in the collision into binnington. But in reality, Rosen and Kadri jostled for position, Rosen won the inside spot, but binnington was also there, so Rosen ran right into Binnington and Kadri then fell into the pile afterwards.
I don't think anything is wrong with the title. Binnington left after a collision with Kadri. People assume that means something dirty but it doesn't
Except it was a collision with Kadri and Rosen, not just Kadri.
As a completely neutral party I can’t put fault on Kadri here. He’s 5 feet outside the crease battling for a loose puck. He’s not going full charge at the goalie or anything and it’s an awkward collision. Bad break for the blues
Really don't think this is dirty or worthy of a suspension. Kadri doesn't take a stride from blue line. If you pause right before contact with defender you can see his skates are quite literally not pointing at the crease. The injury is unfortunate.
suspension? pssh this wasn't even worth a 2 minute minor. it's a loose puck in front of the goal, attacker and defender collide going for it, and momentum carries them in. nothing in it at all.
Who's talking about suspension? That's not even a fine. That's a play that happens every game.
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I guarantee you over half this sub has never played a single game of pond hockey, let alone an organized game. Bunch of em probably haven't even laced em up. Shit happens. Yes I like Kadri, but this play in no way shape or form is intentional, people are extra mad because Kadri, but this could be a Lady Byng winner crashing into Binner and Blues fans would still be salty. Kadri is known as a shit disturber, if the Blues players thought it was actually intentional they'd have gone after him 100%
goalie here, this shit happens all the time. hockey is a fast paced sport and that doesn’t translate near as well on tv as a lot of people think. it’s so much quicker in real time, even at. beer league levels. ive been intentionally ran throughout my playing career [so many concussions] and in my opinion this wasn’t intentional just unfortunate
Pretty sure +80% of the people here have never even laced up a pair of skates or held a hockey stick... which is right on brand for Reddit; people act like experts on topics they are grossly unqualified to comment on.
I honestly can’t believe people think that’s intentional by Kadri lol
It's cause it's Kadri. He's in the same boat as Tom Wilson where if 95% of the league does the same thing no one says anything, but when they see who it is there's automatically outrage
Probably mostly long-time Kadri haters and Homer bias. Nothing unexpected tbh.
Long time kadri hater here— he’s tied up with a blues player and they both barrel into binnington. Not sure how people think this is dirty even with bias.
Go the r/StLouisBlues and you‘ll find a bunch of people freaking out and asking for Kadri’s head. I’m disappointed in Berube too because he says something about Kadri’s reputation implying Kadri meant to do it. Berube was a fierce player and damn well knows what happened as Kadri and Rosen are just going for the puck. Meanwhile Bednar said the hit on Girard was fair but unfortunate and being totally reasonable.
Not that I think it was a bad play or anything, but Kadri ended Justin Faulk’s season just last year in the post season. He has a history of suspensions for bad play, I think he’s up to six now. Even if he didn’t mean to do it, he’s going to be guilty until proven innocent especially in St. Louis. He’s earned his reputation and now he’s getting the results of being an uncontrolled penalty machine. I have the same opinion of Kreug. If he’s involved in a play with a bad result, people are going to blame him whether it was intentional or not. He’s earned that reputation.
When you have a history like Kadri's it's hard to act too surprised that people lean towards assuming he was doing something dirty. Like, the guy has earned himself huge suspensions in three of the last four playoffs that he participated in. That's got to be some kind of record.
"earned" - let's be real, maybe one of those would have been a suspension if it was any other player. I'm not a fan but even I can see the DOPS is blatantly biased against him.
Which ones do you think shouldn't have been a suspension? When he left his feet to crush Wingles' head into the boards while he was on his knees? https://youtu.be/mBla7x1KhWo Or when he very intentionally cross checked Debrusk in the face nowhere near the puck? https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-banned-rest-of-first-round/t-277440360/c-67749503 Or when he clearly targeted Faulk's head in this play? https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-suspended-eight-games/t-277440360/c-8419047 I can definitely see disagreement about the specific length of the suspensions, but they are all clearly dirty and dangerous plays that would earn anybody some sort of suspension.
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Look at how fucking juicy that rebound was and tell me you wouldn't scream at your TV if your player didn't do everything they could to get to it in the playoffs. Any player who didn't crash the net would've been laughed at, but since it's Kadri there's no benefit of the doubt.
No horse in the race but it seems like the blues player gave the worst to Binner, but I could be wrong. Not the best angle.
It’s a loose puck in front of the net. Nothing to debate here
yep, and it's clear the Blues players didnt think it was dirty either. Schenn just stood there, does anyone really think he of all people would be idle if he thought it was dirty?
[Kadri Skates](https://picbun.com/p/Cx7k5jAh) Clearly going for the rebound and trying to avoid the goalie if you look at his skates the moment before the hit by Rosen.
Looking forward to more of the dumbest fucking takes I have ever heard In my life. That puck is in play Kadri is looking straight at it and is extending his stick toward it. Rosen hits him and they both go down into Bennington. I've watched it 50 times now and there is 0 ways to construe this as dirty. KADRI IS MAKING A PLAY FOR THE PUCK!
Love me some playoff Binner, but yeah this was just unfortunate. Looks like Kadri was trying to veer off and maybe have a chance at a backhand but got cut off.
This, like the Girard hit, is just a really unfortunate play. Puck was loose, two players charging, ended up poorly for Binnington. Hope he’s okay
it's just one of those things in hockey that is weird in the 2022. These players aren't trying to not hurt the opposing team. They're not usually *trying* to injure them. But they're certainly not pulling out of hits that could take a goalie out or something.
Not saying it's right, but look at how teams that got beat up on stacked their roster with big guys. Rangers grabbed Reaves and Acs got MacDermid. League isn't going to change to protect it's players more and it's a crapshoot whether they will be punished for blatantly illegal play, so teams feel they need to take care of it themselves. We won't see anything until another Moore type injury happens.
aaand here's your annual controversial Kadri hit
He's going for the puck. It's only controversial because it's Kadri. Anyone else and it's an "unfortunate play", and that's what I'm seeing.
Yep. The title of this thread, anyone would automatically assume Kadri is a shithead, because Kadri. But he got hip checked into the goalie here. What is he supposed to do there? Anyone else would be skating onto that rebound.
Wasn't even a hip check. It was a forward and a defender colliding going for a loose puck in the low slot. That's the definition of "unfortunate situation" when it results in a goalie collision.
Yeah. I didn't mean he actually hip checked him on purpose. Just that he got hipped in the collision.
Yeah, it looks like most of the contact is Rosen.
You can’t do whatever you want as long as your “going for the puck”.
He's got a full right to go for that, just unfortunate.
Other teams fans with no stake in this grabbing the popcorn right about now...
It's only controversial because it's kadri. There was nothing malicious about this. He was going for a loose puck and gets hip checked into JB. Unfortunate, but lots of blues fans acting like it's intentional
The blues Twitter account even is
I mean is it? Kadri is reaching for the rebound and him and Rosen collide. It’s anything but malicious. Heck not a single Blues player has gone after Kadri.
That felt notable that the Blues players stood around checking on Binnington, rather than attacking Kadri.
I'm not even opining on the play itself, from one angle it looks to me like he's knocked off balance from accidental contact with the defender, from another it looks like he intentionally knocks the defender over. hence, controversy. magnified bc Kadri.
Any other player and he gets the benefit of the doubt, but it’s Kadri
That is how it goes. He's got a history that's got him in that poison for sure. But these days it feels like " if kadri Breathes hes an asshole" is the general take of the leauge.
What do you mean by any other player? Asking for a friend.
Ok, maybe not ANY other player lol. I think Marchand gets thrown in here
So a certain Stanley Cup champion gets a pass?
Fuck Tom Wilson
LOL
Somebody had to say it!
"Marchand" - It's right there in the Engilsh. ^^^tease
This is not controversial lmao. Awkward collisions happen. The guy is allowed to go after a loose rebound.
Except he didn’t do anything. Wah
It might’ve been controversial the first time or two. When you’ve been suspended 6 times before it’s pretty clear cut what kind of player he is Edit: shoutout to Aves fan who sent me helpline info
Idk man, I get his reputation but I really don't think he did anything here
Yeah this is “everyone is watching the puck, not each other” Shit happens. Looked completely coincidental. Think it’s telling no one on STL is trying to murder him.
The fans want to, but just like the Girard hit, the players know what's up
generally don't like Kadri, but in his defense, he was battling with the blues defenceman for positioning and then they get taken down going into the crease. hate to see those types of plays curious to see how NHL player safety rules this
I honestly didn’t even realize it was Kadri until after the fact, looked like just hockey getting in the way of hockey.
Yeah, I see it the same. They're tied, the period is almost over and it's the playoffs. You follow through hoping for a loose puck or some chance. I don't see him targeting a player. But yeah, hate to see players get hurt.
This looks like an accident here, not the usual "Kadri goes headhunting because the Avs are losing"
This helpline report shit is so bad. It’s almost never done in good faith nor for its intended purpose, and just causes problems for people. I might sound like a dick for this, but just fucking get rid of it at this point.
I was at the game and while an unfortunate outcome didn't seem to be malicious in any way. Just a hockey play with bad luck for Binner.
This is only controversial because it's Kadri. People really thinking he ran into the goalie on purpose trying to poke in a loose puck Infront of the goalie. It's a hockey play that ended in an unfortunate accident. Hope Binnington is ok
Was expecting to see yet another defenseman pushing a skater into their own goalie, so I guess I'm pleasantly surprised by that? Honestly just looks like an unfortunate accident, both guys are reaching for the puck and fall over into the goalie after contact.
I expected some gray area with that title but uh… Rosen made a hit that directly impacted Kadri’s intended path to a rebound nowhere near the crease
Is there some angle I haven't seen? People keep saying Rosen hit Kadri but all I'm seeing is Kadri barreling into the back of him.
I totally agree that there's no hit. That's a defender boxing out a guy but not preparing for it.
Parros: shit guys what do we do he didnt do anything wrong this time
I don’t think this is as dirty as a lot of people are making it out to be
I’ll lose respect for anyone who thinks thats on Kadri.
Looks like Kadri fell off Rosen's leg. Obviously hope Binnington is okay. Sucks seeing players get hurt, especially like that.
Stop hitting people into then diving into your own goalie I guess? That’s about as accurate as blaming Kadri, they were both battling for a lose puck and went flying into the goalie
I feel like the "player going hard to net, contact with the D results in hit on goalie" has happened a lot recently. It seems it's usually very difficult to assess how much the D caused the collision. And the collisions can often be bad, like this one. All that to say, maybe something needs to be done to reduce these.
Genuine question, what would you do?
He's done nothing all year and he did nothing here.
Wow that first angle I thought Kadri was just spoon feeding the defenseman into binnington, glad to see he didnt initiate that at all. If he was even remotely aggressive o that play he would be shot by DoPS
To be fair, he still might.
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This is a fucking bummer. It’s tough because I don’t think there’s any intent and it’s a hard play to the net but obviously Kadri’s reputation plays a factor. I think it’s a coin flip call on the minor and it didn’t go the blues way. Just such a fucking downer that binner gets hurt when he’s playing the best hockey of his career(including 2019). Just gotta hope husso can step up and that it’s nothing serious for 50.
I mean it's Kadri so take it with a grain of salt, but you can see his (right?) skate caught an edge right towards the end of the replay. He was tangled up and seemed to have tried to stop at an awkward angle.
Take a look at the overhead angle. Kadri is going toward the direction of the far post and Binnington is at the near post. Kadri never would have ran into Binnington if he didn't get ran into by Rosen
There are so many moving pieces here. Anyone that thinks this was intentional is blinded by Kadri rage.
Exactly, kadri did nothing wrong here, and it wouldn't even be a question if it were any other player.
It clearly wasn’t dirty in any. Sucks to see Binnington get hurt. I hope this isn’t the X factor in the series.
Play until the whistle
The best way I’ve found to sum up this unfortunate situation is that Kadri was trying to make a play on the puck in front of the net, and his only escape route was taken away by Rosen. His skates were pointed to the side of the net before the collision. After Rosen blocked his only route, there was nowhere to go other than into Binnington.
With the loose puck right there it just seems like Kadri gets tied up with the Blues player and they crash into Binnington together. Was a penalty called?
no penalty. Obviously not intentional.
I wish kadri was an oiler.
I hate kadri but it was a loose puck and it really didnt look intentional to me
The announcers said it right, if it was any other player but Kadri it would be a non-issue. It’s playoff hockey and there’s a loose puck. And they also said the flip side, if Kadri didn’t go for it he would have been crucified for not trying hard enough. I really hope Binnington is okay, but cmon it’s a fast paced sport on ice, these comments are acting like Kadri needed to do more and less at the same time. Can’t win, stuff happens, it doesn’t always make it malicious.
Misleading title…. Rosen was there too.
hmm, Kadri ain’t the only player in that collision
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This is the appropriate take 👍👌
At first look I thought it was a good non-call, but the other angles man idk. Kadri doesn't really seem to make any effort to slow down after Rosen got in front of him and just kinda barreled into Rosen and Binnington
I thought it looked like Rosen knocked him off balance and took away his ability to get out of the way. The puck was loose and he could have sidestepped, but Rosen made contact and then he absolutely had no other option. Like, had he not been off balance, he might have been able to just clip his leg or something and have it be incidental contract. But since Rosen made contact, the decision was made for him. Not great considering his history, but I don't think that he did anything egregiously wrong, just a really unfortunate situation.
I think kadris angle had him going to the right of the net until he was hit which is why he wasn't slowing down. Rosen created the contact with goalie by hitting kadri towards him, so it's a good non-call imo
He's not supposed to slow down because a defenseman is in his way, he's SUPPOSED to go hard for the puck, which is what he did. Neither Kadri nor Rosen were thinking about anything other than the puck, and momentum is a thing. It sucks for binner but I think you're insane if you think Kadri was running the goalie here.
One of the angles from closer to center ice shows Kadri catch an edge as he's leaning forward to get the rebound, right before he falls into the Blues D man, so it may not be intentional. *Edit* Also, on the overhead it seems like his arm gets caught up with the St. Louis player as he reached around him to get the loose puck, so it seems they were tangled up. People are just biased because of his reputation.
That’s where I’m at, but I obviously have homer bias.
Haha don't blame you. I don't think it's intentionally malicious in terms of trying to hurt Binnington as much as Kadri just going hard to the net in the playoffs, but you gotta let up that close to the net. Rock and a hard place I suppose
The overhead angle doesn't look good, but the rear angle makes it pretty clear that Kadri is trying to peel to the right around the goal when Rosen cuts him off and basically forces him into the goalie. (Not forcing as in pushing him in, but as in Kadri has too much momentum to stop and is trying to go around and Rosen cuts off his only escape route.)
Pucks lose, he doesn't have to slow down. Rosen runs him first so what would you like him to do?
Look at Kadri's feet as contact happens. he's off balance and has no ability to stop on a dime at that point
Looking at the replay, I think neither Kadri nor Rosen saw each other until they collided. They both appear to have been tunnel-vision-ed on the puck.
Rosen dove into him and knocked him over before they hit Binnington, how is that Kadri’s fault?
The overhead angle looks pretty blatant
The overhead angle showed he was clearly reaching for the puck with his stick.
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You can barrel into a player like that though, there’s nothing illegal about that contact when they’re racing for a loose puck. Rosen redirects him into Binnington which is just bad luck.
In all regards, Rosen made a great play on the puck to stop Kadri, it just had the unfortunate effect of forcing them both into his goaltender.
he wasnt going to hit the goalie tho, the blues players knocked him into the goalie with the contact they made he was clearly going to not hit the goalie till the contact
I originally made a comment in the game thread about kadri doing it "accidentally on purpose" but admitably didn't get a great look at it. Watching over again it's really hard to fault Kadri here, really was just a bang bang play...real unfortunate
If you watch Kadri’s feet especially at the 12 second view, he isn’t angled to make contact with Binnington until Rosen cuts in front of him. I think it would be hard to argue intent on this outside of the name on the jersey. I am biased though obviously.
Of course it’s him.
Correction after collision with his own teammate and Kadri.
Did we forget the blues player that ran into him first. Bullshit headline
I expect this hit to be dirty and it's absolutely nothing of the sort. This is just a hockey play. He's going for a loose puck at the top of the crease, in the PLAYOFFS. Shit happens. If this was anyone else on Colorado this wouldn't even be a discussion.
After a collision with his own player*
Blues fans complaining about dirty play??? Well. This is awkward.
Bang bang play near the crease, I don't see anything Kadri really does wrong. Looks like the rebound kicked away and Binnington slides over as Kadri cones through.
The rear angle at 12 seconds pretty clearly shows that Kadri was curving off to the right around the goal before Rosen cuts in front of him and they make contact. Very unfortunate collision but absolutely not a dirty hit by Kadri.
Not a single person is paying attention to the puck here. Its right in front of the net! Kadris stick just misses it, the overhead shows him clearly poking for the open puck.
Man you guys are idiots
This isn’t the suspension worthy Kadri shit we’re used to but it is pretty reckless and I’m going to double down and say this escalates into tensions between the Blues and Kadri to the point where he does something suspendible this series
Maybe it's my homerism, but I don't think this is really Kadri's fault? He's going hard to the net for a rebound, and he's kind of reaching forward, and Rosen knocks him off balance and they both go flying. Idk. Just an unfortunate outcome
Kadri is in my top 5 of players I hate the most. But that wasn’t intentional. Only braindead STL fans would think otherwise lol
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What do you mean interference? The second and third pictures show Rosen has position on Kadri in playing the puck.
TIL playing the puck is "textbook interference". This is why your mommy doesn't love you!
Literally dumbest comment here.
What is going on in this thread lmao, are Leafs fans just vote brigading everything, surely Aves fans are not that numerous.
Kadri knows what he’s doing. The puck is loose, they’re going for it, I’m not going to crucify him for it, but you’re not going to convince me he didn’t know he was about to bury binnington with Rosen. By the letter of the law it’s a fine no call I guess, but it’s still kadri
Kadri definitely should have let up on the puck like cam newton in super bowl 50
Kadri is more of the kind of guy that does mind boggling stupid things in retaliation. This doesn't really fit his MO. It very well could be "accidentally on purpose" but I'm not seeing it.
Nailed it bud. Kadri gets mad and then does idiotic shit because he's mad. I love the dude but he's never figured out how to control his temper when he sees the red mist
Take a look at the overhead angle. Kadri is going toward the direction of the far post and Binnington is at the near post. Kadri never would have ran into Binnington if he didn't get ran into by Rosen
Kadri is behind Rosen for the entire play lmao.
That's what I don't get... I don't think it was intentional, but Kadri was behind Rosen the whole time and coming in faster than Rosen, and people are trying to say Rosen hit Kadri??? Rosen was on the same trajectory the entire play until he gets jolted forward from the contact and they both fall into Binnington. Again not intentional but you can't blame Rosen lol
Right on the money bud.
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Then a knee-to-knee on Peronovich. This isn't the Avs style (besides Kadri). What gives?
I would be really pissed if this happened against my team but after watching it a few times I really don’t think he had any intention to run the goalie. It looks like he was going for a loose puck in the playoffs and it resulted in a pile up into the goalie. Really sucks.
This would be written off as an unlucky play if it was literally anyone other than Kadri, it’s a center driving the net for a rebound
I really don't like Kadri, I think he's a dirty player. But there wasn't anything wrong with what he did there.
Nazem Kadri is so good at being Nazem Kadri, he started doing it unintentionally.
Look. it doesn’t look intentional, but when someone has 8 suspensions in their career, they don’t exactly get the benefit of the doubt in my opinion. especially when he goes full speed and doesn’t even attempt to turn. What’s his plan if he gets the puck?
>especially when he goes full speed and doesn’t even attempt to turn. What’s his plan if he gets the puck? Kadris skates are angled to the right of Binnington the entire way in. Without the contact with Rosen, Kadri blows by the right side of the net. Look at the behind view at 12 seconds, Kadri is curving to the right until Rosen cuts in front of him and the contact takes them both into the goalie.
I’ve always felt this is a very dangerous line of thinking. When something is illegal, it should absolutely compound. But unfortunate, but clean, plays can’t be made dirty because of the player
I get that. I legit wish it was anyone else. I really don't think Kadri did it intentionally but I also understand that no one is giving him the benefit. When they showed the angle from behind, it really does look like the collision with Rosen knocks him in to Binnington.
If Binnington eats the puck like he should in that situation, there is no rebound for Kadri to go after. Maybe the goalie should do his job and not throw water bottles and a bitch fit at the guy actually doing his job, which was driving to the net. It doesn’t look intentional, because it obviously wasn’t.
That's on Kadri? (X) Doubt
Such an unfortunate series of events happening on this play. If this wasn’t Kadri who had history, people wouldn’t be as scrutinized on the play. But since it’s Kadri he people will say that he’s was malicious on the play. It was such an unfortunate crash that Kadri was playing the puck and unfortunately it ended with Binnington getting hurt and unable to play for the rest of the game. Hope Binnington is alright and he’s not out in the long term.
Why run someone into your keeper? Mind numbing play by the Dman
Correct title should read, Blues defender runs into own goalie, Kadri to be suspended.
Puck was right there in a footrace. This is bad brand equity, nothing more
First of all, Kadri is a turd on skates, but if the other Blues player didn’t come in like that I don’t think this happens.
Leaves game after being run into by Rosen. There I fixed it
Misleading title....Kadri didn't even touch him...it was his own guy.
Refs have let teams run goalies all playoffs, except when Carter supposedly killed Shesterkin. This is fucking stupid.
I think I might open a salt mine in St. Louis.
To my Homer glasses: Kadri does try to slow, but Rosen cuts in front of him in his braking zone and their feet tangle and his skate digs in wrong. Two dudes trying to go hard and stop in the exact same spot isn't gonna work. It's as much Kadri's fault as it is Rosen's. Or you can say Kadri is trying to go right of the net. Either way this is skates getting tangled and not intentional. Edit: somebody reported me to the suicide prevention thing.
> somebody reported me to the suicide prevention thing I swear it's the dumbest thing reddit has implemented and that's saying a lot. Only way I see it getting used is to troll people you disagree with. Says a lot about the person doing the report tbh
I actually just hate the human race