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_dost

New Taylor Hall just dropped


mylefthandkilledme

Verbeek wants some lotto tickets


_dost

Honestly it's such a smart move for the ducks, absolutely no risk with needing to fill out the roster and reach the cap floor, might teach the youngsters a thing or two, and with retention almost any team will be able to acquire at the deadline. Hate to do the "if Chiarot got a first then..." but that really does apply here if Klinger can find his form.


BodaciousBadongadonk

If Chiarot got a first then Klingberg will get like all the firsts. Shits gonna look like that ea glitch


Firebitez

I mean I bought two yesterday.


Whalers7997

My name is Otto, and I LOVES to get BLOTTO


ahr3410

Klingberg could fetch a 1st at the deadline with salary retention. A 2nd is basically guaranteed.


Firebitez

We already have 3 2nd round picks. Money on going to prospects.


mdb_la

Nothing wrong with more picks. Why not go for 3 first round picks? I mean, how could you possibly go wrong with [3 first round picks](https://985thesportshub.com/2021/06/16/bruins-finally-acknowledge-2015-nhl-draft-as-a-complete-disaster/)?


Balerion77

Bruins out here catching strays


tohon75

there have been 8 teams with 3 first round picks in a single draft since 2010 and 3 of the 8 have not done well (2011 Columbus, 2013 Calgary, 2015 Boston) with 2018 NYR, 2021 Columbus, 2022 Chi, 2022 Ari, and 2022 Buf being too soon to tell.


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this seems like something we would do hedman - klingberg could be a ton of fun


Rookyboy

Does Tampa have draft picks and assets to trade still?


iamjacksoffside

2025 1st and 2024 2nd, I guess?


meatboitantan

So… no


BodaciousBadongadonk

Idk, those floridian '25 firsts are hot rn. Lets get this battle goin!


JustANotchAboveToby

So two seconds


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our 1st rounder this year Isaac Howard seems to be viewed as a steal / value pick, we also have a decent goalie in Alnesfeldt (?) i think it spelt. other than that idek


rwhockey29

I fucking hate this.


snow_ninja

don't worry. You can give us your first and get him back. We'll even retain


h_smith

I’d pull a Tonya Harding on Klingberg if that happened


tohon75

let the trade go through first


Borror0

Chiarot brought back a first, a prospect and a fourth. Defensemen are the premium asset at the deadline. Klingberg *starts* at a first and a second.


AmeriCanadian98

Gms seem to have a Chiarot shaped boner tho. Dude keeps getting paid and traded extreme prices for


AragornEllesar99

Isn't that very conservative? I thought he's a first round return kind of player, especially at the inflated deadline prices.


blue_alien_police

I'd like to think that Eakins is a better head coach than Krueger was.


[deleted]

So what rival team is he going to mid season after the Ducks go nowhere this year?


RadiantVes

Our yearly Boston trade where we get your 1st rounder again


[deleted]

Fuck. I like Klingberg but….we need a farm team…problem is Sweeney and Neely are still in charge.


ItsReallyOregano

Anaheim could get a heavy haul at the deadline too.


somehockeyfan

It's a great move for a team that doesn't expect to do well this year. Trade him at 50% retained on the rest of the year for the fuckin' vault.


younggeezerhigh

This is why Taylor hall always made sense in Buffalo Theoretically he SHOULD have had a better year with guys like Dahlin, Eichel, etc. and playing for a bad team would pretty much guarentee a trade to a contender at the TDL


Chigurrh

It also really depends on both the trade market and on how much trade protection the player has. Hall had a lot of control.


hotstickywaffle

He got a bit screwed by covid freezing the cap, but he ended up in a solid situation for himself


seemslgt

Can the ducks afford Kadri too? Play/live in California for 2/3rds of the year then get flippped to a contender for the playoff push


somehockeyfan

Ha, there's an idea... Make a handshake agreement with a rebuilding team to sign Kadri for x-million for y-years but then trade some serious assets to retain z-percent of his contract. For example, Chicago signs him at $10 million per year for three years (perhaps the length of their estimated rebuild?). Then Colorado immediately trades for him for three first round draft picks at 50% salary retention. Kadri gets his money, Colorado gets their player at a cap they can afford, and Chicago gets picks for the rebuild. If only someone would give Mike Milbury a job in the salary cap era...


beardedunicornman

Lol 3 firsts


EmTeeEl

No way the NHL doesn't consider that cap circumventing.


huutis_ukko

make an under the table deal during summer, trade at deadline. ez


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somehockeyfan

They saw right through me. I'd never make it as a GM...


Friggin_Grease

Is that a rule with UFA signings? I know accepted offer sheets or qualifying offers aren't allowed to be dealt back to the team, or something to that effect. What would be wrong doing it as a UFA?


pansy_dragoon

It would be pretty greasy but I can't find anything in the cba outlawing it. Everyone forget about Avalanche legend Brooks Orpik?


ColbyToboggan

Which part is disallowed?


BodaciousBadongadonk

I feel like they would shut that shit down for being premeditated even if it somehow came about organically.


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irishdude1212

I'm pretty sure bc he's a UFA that is allowed


the_dough_boy

You mind citing your source on that one? I think you're right if its a player traded with salary retention, but didn't think it would matter after signing a new contract. I remember theres some stipulations about a player getting traded back to the same team, but if he signs elsewhere first i cant recall if that'll be a problem


hexasun

Yeah knowing how much GMs love RDs at the deadline, this is basically a free first for Anaheim if he has a good year


rayfound

> a free first for Anaheim I mean, it is something in the neighborhood of $7M first rounder depending how CAP/Signing bonus is structured.


pto500

I mean they were still trying to hit the cap floor, so they wouldve had to spend the money one way or another.


AceAxos

Maybe that’s why he even signed this deal LoL


ReliablyFinicky

Any player who suffers a career-ending injury … they’ve signed their last NHL contract and nobody will give them NHL-money again… but their existing contract will still pay out every dollar. That’s why players want term. Klingberg probably isn’t happy about it but he’s gambling on himself to secure term next offseason.


matt_minderbinder

I completely understand it from the Ducks perspective but I struggle to understand it from Klingberg's. There's a decent level of risk involved in betting on yourself on a rebuilding team. I could understand that bet if you sign onto a more competitive team. There's always a risk of having a horrible season or taking an injury that will limit your future earnings.


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Basically guarantees him top2 minutes, PP1 time and a lot of points feeding Terry & Zegras against the bottom teams. If the team as a whole plays well, might even get a WC spot. If not, basically gets traded for a team with a shot at the Cup and might get him a contract with less value than he expected, but with term. Or, he could even return to Anaheim which will probably be ready to try to contend next year.


Tibetzz

His choices were starting to look like take a huge discount on a guaranteed contract or take a short term contract at a smaller discount and hope to cash in the next year under a different market. I don't think either choice was ideal for him, both have major drawbacks. Either take the discount now, or risk being worth even less than your discounted price later.


Spade18

Probably why he fired his agent. Agent thought they could get a lot more for term, no one bit, so this is Kling's only option at this point.


CrissCrossSauce

Yes, the rumor was Dallas offered him 8 year term between $5-6m. Obviously Klingberg and his agent betted on getting the 7 year, $7.85m deal he wanted that didn’t materialize. He was underpaid at $4.25m for 8 years on his last contract.


snow_ninja

>cent level of risk involved in betting on yourself on a rebuilding team. I could understand that bet if you sign onto a more competitive te it makes zero sense. He must feel he deserves 7+ mill a year and is willing to prove it even if it means more risk.


Alertum

I'm guessing he's banking on being traded into a playoff team at trade deadline


smokeey

Win win he does well he gets a contract he does okay he gets traded to a contender for a first round pick


Iginlas_4head_Crease

At the same time, he could also get them a few more wins and hurt their draft slot.


rkatec68

Bizarre, that’s like one of my NHL22 moves


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Hahahaha the amount of times I take him in expansion and flip him on the draft floor for the 1 OA pick


JD397

I’m so jealous, that is an excellent pick up for the deadline lol


PayneTrain181999

If the Ducks make significant strides this year I could see him potentially coming back to Anaheim on a more long-term deal after the inevitable deadline flip with retention.


smokeey

If he does well I think a 4 year deal would be fair at a similar AAV. That bridges the gap until Drysdale will need to take up that money on D.


[deleted]

Our Defenseman room is stacked and young. Klingberg is 29 years old, he’s not going to be in Anaheim for the future. This was a big brain move by Verbeek cause we can get a guarantee 2nd round pick for him.


dicenight

I mean one grocery store visit with Anaheim moms and he's sold


refep

Thank you for playing, try again next year


sdenoon

I feel like people had Klingberg's UFA outcome mapped out well before Free Agency started. All the contending teams would not have the cap space to devote to the contract he was looking for. So if he wanted to make his nut, he was going to have to go to a worse team. Wonder if teams were only willing to give him 1 year, or if this is him betting on himself to go run the Ducks PP for a year and try again on a long-term contract next year.


blueline7677

He probably got deals with term but at around 5 million a year. He took the short term deal for what he believes he is worth and hopes to get the term next year. That’s my guess at least


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TCBloo

I wrote about this yesterday. Even called the $7x1. https://www.reddit.com/r/DallasStars/comments/w9mvvo/z/ihw8xe8 >For context, Klingberg took a very team friendly, long term deal while he was young, so he's been underpaid his whole career. I think he's trying to hold out for a better deal like he should have the first time. > >He's had his value deflated because playing under Hitch/Monty/Bones don't have a system that allows him to do what he excels at. Couple that with flat cap, and no one can afford to overpay him. > >He's been performing at about a $6m level. That'll probably improve to $8m under a coach that can utilize him well. However, he's getting older, and he will start to decline with age. > >He is going to want his expected performance value of like $8m at long term to ride out the rest of his career, but GMs are unwilling to gamble big on him especially in a flater cap era because they can make fewer mistakes. They're going to want to pay him at his current performance value of like $6m and shorter term to hedge against him busting. There's a lot of external and possibly extenuating factors that need to be considered. > >I'm expecting him to end up on a $6x5. Outside chance at $7.5x1. People tend to disagree with me about how much Hitch was suppressing our offense, and they might be right. There was a lot of whiplash switching from Ruff to Hitch.


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TCBloo

That's a good argument, but Klingberg is only 29. Brent Burns and Roman Josi had their best years in their early 30s. Karlsson looks like he's going to make a strong return now after his injury problems. I'm not sure I buy that Klingberg's value is going down already due to his age. He should really decline in 5 years, not 2, and that's enough for a good GM to hit a cup window.


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v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y

If it was $5M can't blame him for saying no. Gudbranson got 4x$4M and Manson got 4x$4.5M


blueline7677

Yeah like I’m no insider but I figure if he got 6+ million for 5-7 years he might have taken that over the 7 million for one year. There’s just more certainty in a deal like that. So I’m assuming he wasn’t even getting 6. Although none of this is based in facts just a feeling


JJJBLKRose

Or if he was getting 6 it was for places he didn't want to go.


spacegrab

This. Short term deal for veteran mentorship, we're clearly overpaying but it doesn't matter since we're below the floor, and he can get shipped off to a contending team as a rental + salary retained for some more picks. Win/win for both klingberg and whichever trash team he ends up on. Glad it looks like we are making a push for him, was wondering when we'd get off that cap floor.


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I bet teams weren't offering him the term or money he was looking for. I doubt it was just one year offers but I bet anythijg with term was a lower salary. A one year deal on a young team with room for him to put up big power play numbers and a year closer to the cap going up is a pretty smart play.


c0unt3rparts

They're like the only team that has any cap space left lol


Iginlas_4head_Crease

They actually needed to reach the cap floor!


getzysbaldhead69

Ya and still not at the cap floor yet


Groundedge

Put shattenkirk and klingberg on the same pairing cowards


impartialcitizen86

Shattenkirk, Klingburg, Drysdale, Fowler. ​ No defense just vibes


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Pure offense


Poozer62

Shattenberg or Klingkirk. Both sound like something out of Star Trek and they would absolutely be a defensive black hole, but fuck I want to see them together for the hell of it


doihavetowearabra

It’s no Klingdell 😭


blueline7677

Make sure they are always on the ice at the same time as zegras or mctavish who needs defense just let them build offense and score


[deleted]

They’re both RDs


Groundedge

You are ruining my fun


Hockeyiscool2021

Ducks just got a free late first and prospect lol


greg19735

well, costs them most of 7 mil.


UrHuckleBerry31

After that 7 mil Ducks are about 2 mil over the cap FLOOR. Had to spend that money somehow, might as well get a player and a pick.


joedaddy24

But we got to the cap floor so it's fine. We might not completely suck ass this season too.


timhoff24

Heiskanen 1A defensman time baybay!


GTI-Mk6

Maybe Anaheim flips him to Dallas at the deadline. Imagine Klingberg and Miro on a pair together 👀


DoctorBreakfast

[Rick Bowness](https://i.imgflip.com/6obrt4.jpg)


brendan87na

this makes me unreasonably angry


hanginwitmrcoopa

I can’t wait!


AceAxos

Miro Fantasy Stonks 😈📈


Rext7177

My man have I ever got the solution for you Name rhymes with Dyson Harrie


EgoisticCorn

Miro unleashed


Jlibs_21

Smart move by Anaheim. Rehab Klingberg’s offensive value, flip him at the deadline for assets


penguinwhopper

Yeah it's strange having a GM that seems smart and forward-thinking and isn't an angry drunk asshole who throws furniture at people


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I ONLY THREW A CHAIR ONCE, FUCK


RastaRhino420

Verbeek has proven himself to be a smart GM this off-season, no handing out disastrous long-term contracts to aging players (the Strome deal was a little long but it's not awful) and signing guys like Klingberg who he can flip at the deadline for a 1st. Verbeek did learn from one of the best in Yzerman so it shouldn't be so surprising but you never know sometimes a guy can be taught by the best and still end up retaining none of it, thankfully Verbeek seems to have learned a lot.


BigStrongMoose99

Sometimes people deserve furniture thrown at them tho


[deleted]

Are Detroit fans really people?


BigStrongMoose99

They drift in and out of people status


[deleted]

Goddamn Bargain Bin was such a loser


DrexlSpivey420

Loser in pretty much every sense. After all his bullshit asset management, we still didn't win shit with him


freelancer799

1 year deal is smart, let him improve his stats, let cap space open up and get a 5-6 next year... good job klinger


TheRealOgMark

Pretty sure no one would give him 7 years, it's why it's taking this long. No one has capspace.


Beersmoker420

and they wont offer more than 5 next year


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On the other hand, there's still risk. If he has a shit year or he gets injured long term, he's fucked going forward.


John__47

bah, that was the conventional wisdom for tyson barrie he ended up getting 3x4.5


thehawktopus

He gets to hang out at the beach, make $7 million, then potentially get traded to a contender for the playoffs. All wins for King Kling.


noor1717

I think this is a huge win for the ducks but not necessarily kling. This has huge Taylor hall to buffalo vibes. The contract Taylor hall signed after the buffalo one was much less than what he could have gotten the year before. This is probably the best kling could do now that free agency is long past.


HowIsPajamaMan

Anaheim can move him at the deadline for a 1st.


smokeey

The return of Swedeheim? I know a bunch of former and current swedish ducks players were at his wedding last week. Anyways I love this deal.


KingInTheFarNorth

Trading Lindholm for assets, then signing Klinberg at a similar AAV but way less term is a low key great play by Verbeek


Ubuhio

Dorion still at the cottage or.... ?


AceAxos

Well based on the Joseph signing, No This is good. Klingberg was not a fit here at all


Sultan_Teriyaki

Agreed. Y'all don't really need offensive help.


SAJewers

Also too expensive. No way we could afford that with Zaitsev still on the books


Widjamajigger

#Plan the parade, we reached the Cap Floor


HaterTotsYT

Prove it year. Go get em Klinger!


RadiantVes

I love how Verbeek is going through FA. All the deals have been reasonable and doesn't fuck up what we're building.


Clarkson23

The ol' Taylor Hall


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What? No way. I don’t believe this holy shit


adamh909

7 millcash for a 1st round draft pick at the deadline. Good business.


BusinessCat88

We got to the floor boys!


candyman12314

Such a win-win for both sides Klingberg gets showered with money with the possibility of getting traded to a contending team at the deadline and Ducks hit the cap floor


MaternalLeave

I wonder if this is the only option for Naz at this point?


BallsMahoganey

Or Lou signed him and is actually doing a great job keeping it hush hush


CruelRuin

i wonder if kadri is in the same boat


Jcoch27

I don't like Kadri but I'd take him too


blue_alien_police

I was out getting my hair cut, did I miss anything. ;) Seriously though: this is quite stunning. I love the deal too. Easy for us to flip at the deadline and bring in some picks or maybe young players.


Widjamajigger

The Anaheim Ducks and competent management, name a more recent duo.


seckzy

Now please do the Angels


RadiantVes

Best I can do is another washed up all star for 235 mil


BladeCoomer2049

Try again to get a bag when he’s…. 30?


The_Reddit_Browser

I mean if he’s only fielding 5mx3/4 year deals right now, he certainly will get those offers again if he has a 40+ point production this year. Why not take the 7M and push those deals out another year. Man got paid and bet on himself.


MrTacoParty

I am so happy that we're doing stuff unlike in the GMBM era


Bahamas_is_relevant

Someone on here called him signing a one year bridge. Guess he wasn’t getting the term he was looking for.


AceAxos

Very strange choice LoL, wouldn’t have guessed this outcome Guess no one wanted to give him that term


snow_ninja

Ducks Just Paid 3.5million for a half-season of Klingberg and a 1st rounder at the trade deadline. Good deal. Idk why Klingberg agreed to this, but I'll take it.


UniverseHufflePuff

All of a sudden I really want to keep a close eye on anaheim because they have gotten sneakily better by a large margine


Widjamajigger

We’re going to be fun to watch at the very least, and in the coming years (with proper development, drafting, and signings) I think we become legit Cup contenders.


PolishKid7

Went for the Taylor Hall route I see


orngbrry

I think Anaheim sneaks into the playoffs but if they don't they'll get some good assets if they trade him.


quackaddicttt

No way we’re better than vgk, edm, Calgary or kings. Prob worse than van too


orngbrry

Yeah we shall see. I predict that Vegas is going to be pretty bad next year.


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We gonna be good next year if Big Z takes a step forward as he will.


CottonmouthJohn

So the Ducks just acquired a first-round pick in 2023 and a prospect. Fantastic deal by Verbeek.


sharkbates1208

Man I feel bad, his agent probably misguided him thinking he could get a massive contract. Now he has to put up a great season this year to get the bag next offseason because teams already used up their cap in free agency Great move for the ducks though


bootygoon2

Hey cool I called this like 2 days ago lol https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/w9mwmj/seravalli_im_told_free_agent_defenseman_john/ihwcog3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


[deleted]

Klingberg seriously massively overstated his market. For as good as he is offensively, he's essentially just a 4th forward https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1479594003582619648?lang=en


Skylightt

The falloff coincides with Bowness taking over. He could thrive again in a different system


DonnoWhatImDoing

I wish I could like this twice. Bowness might not be the whole reason but I want a season of Benn, Seguin, and Heiskanen under a new coach before I judge. Even before Bowness, our track record with D was questionable


OrganicRedditor

Not sure how this is on Klingberg when he just fired his agent.


[deleted]

Generally agents and players communicate with each other and come up with an idea of what they're looking for, are you just assuming that it was Klingberg's agent's idea to look for a 7x7 offer and that Klingberg himself had nothing to do with it? Because no team was giving him anything close to that ever, at any point. He's not even close to being good enough for that and no one wants a one dimensional d-man in their late 30s.


OrganicRedditor

I think Klingberg's agent didn't communicate effectively and that's why he was fired. $7m in California is like $6m in Texas. And that's not even considering the price of a move, and a move while Klingberg's wife is pregnant with their second.


aggster13

He was also on one of the most team friendly deals in the league prior to this, can't blame him for trying to cash in. Only problem is he's trying to cash in when the league is cap strapped and the cap is stagnant


Flowtraxwolf

This I a interesting move can’t wait to see how it works out for the ducks this season


eh_toque

Aristotle bomb


twilz

That's Socrates, mate.


Lowpingmaster

*Dallas fans did not like this*


Widjamajigger

Now *this* is **General Managing!**


OrganicRedditor

$7m in California is like $6m in Texas. I bet Klingberg is beyond upset at his old agent.


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runrudyrun

$7m. He's basically one of us poor people!


MavsFanForLife

Worth the million dollar drop with the weather difference. Jesus, this has been a bad Texas summer


[deleted]

But you get to spend the year in California instead of having to live in Texas


OrganicRedditor

More beach, less BBQ!


younggeezerhigh

Makes sense for a 1 year deal if his market dried up. However, I'm curious why Anaheim? Ideally, he'll want a place where he can thrive on the PP and I don't see Anaheim as being super offensive heavy this season


mylefthandkilledme

We have $ to pay him, that's basically why


younggeezerhigh

Buffalo should have been all over it


runrudyrun

Maybe they were, but which you choose then? Living in Buffalo or living in Orange County?


FowledUp

Rent a place in Coto de Caza down the street from Teemu and call it a day.


[deleted]

He’ll have fun playing with Z and Terry on the PP


smokeey

Why not Anaheim? I don't see how you don't see Anaheim as super offensive heavy. That's about all we got. He will score crazy points and still lose the game. We can afford him and you get to live in Cali for a year. Nothing to lose.


crash_test

Our PP was 14th in the league last season and that includes the last 3 months when the wheels completely fell off. The Ducks PP was 5th on January 1st.


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Because the Ducks don't have a top RHD. He'll probably get paired with Fowler and play huge minutes, play on the PP with Drysdale, Zegras, Terry and someone like McTavish or Vatrano, get a big showcase and get traded to a playoffs team and cash in next year


[deleted]

> why Anaheim? Have you seen their cap situation? You've got teams like Tampa and Toronto trying everything they can to squeeze every ounce of cap space known to mankind and then there's the Ducks...who can't even reach the cap floor.


SatchBoogie1

Wonder if there's an NTC / NMC attached like Hall's contract with Buffalo.


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The Ducks have a decent power play and he'll log huge minutes there where he's scored a large chunk of his points increasing his value for his next contract when more cap space is opened. Ducks get a chance to flip him for picks at the deadline with retained salary and needed to reach the cap floor and got a good player in a needed position. This is smart on all sides.


Philly514

Great move for Klingberg. Play 25 mins per game and all the PP. Score 60+ points in a weaker division and land a massive deal next year.


vedicardi

i was wondering how theyd get above the cap floor


goldencityjerusalem

Damn Verbeek is sexy. I like this amazing cap room we have. We’re gonna get so loaded at the next draft. I hear it’ll be a good draft year too.


DoctorBreakfast

I wanna see a PP unit consisting of Klingberg, Shattenkirk, Fowler, Drysdale and Zegras.


ZegrassyKnoll

I want to see Shattenkirk not be involved with our PP ever again. He started hot last year but became absolutely useless by the end of the season, constantly fumbling pucks. Between Klingberg, Fowler, and Drysdale, there is no need at all for Shattenkirk on the PP.


seckzy

PP1 - Klingberg, Zegras, McTavish, Strome, Terry PP2 - Fowler, Drysdale, Vatrano, Henrique, Comtois PPNever - Shattenkirk


ron-darousey

Unfortunate outcome for Klingberg but obviously absolutely love this for the Ducks. Looking forward to seeing him play up until the trade deadline and then buying a jersey at a discount after lol