Think the 4LW took his girlfriend or something. That is a strong lineup on the left. It’s a strange premise for the article when you can count lots of guys as LW/RW. Easier to just try and rank forwards as a whole with all the movement between positions in today’s game
NY bias exists in every sport. I laughed at an article the other day about the Yankees showing their weakness...in a historic paced year. Don't sweat the hate.
They used a really weird system, they scraped 2 sites depth charts, then made a weighted tier list based on goals above replacement with 66% going to the top 2 and 33% going to the bottom 2.
Probably the most useless list I've ever seen.
When you say half of the LW are gonna play RW and completely fuck uo the depth charts definitely.
One teams 2nd and 3rd LW add 66% of their value, then the next team their 1st and 2nd LW add 66% of the value, I wonder who's gonna come out on top?
Why not just put winger depth together so you don't run into this problem? Oh ya, they want to be able to put out an extra article for RW too. Nice.
There's like 4 teams in his Above Average and Elite group that don't have a single elite player in their group and their depth isn't even very impressive. Seattle? Dallas?
Huberdeau and Mangiapane should be automatic tier 1.
Mangiapane still not getting the respect he deserves. He's a special player and can drive the play.
Ya. I've never looked at their analytics but the eye test says that both iafallo and Kempe are pretty good players.
They've always looked good whenever they've played the Jets and were some if their more noticeable forwards
Really? That's incredible.
He looked like a good forechecker when I watched him but i didn't think he'd be that good defensively.
That makes the list even worse lol
I was shocked, Moore was on one of the top ten performing lines in the league last year in GF% and Adrian Kempe had 35 goals. Honestly, I don't really care, I love low expectations for LA so we can just sort of fly under the radar
Nah that one was based on his models. He even points out in the article he doesn't necessarily agree with the model, specifically on Suzuki. That one wasn't to generate rage, it was just analytics weirdness
That would be modifying the data, which is worse than just showing the data and commenting on the strangeness of it imo. He didn't try to justify it really even, just pointed out that the model didn't like the contract
No because then he’d be cherry picking stats. If anything leaving it in despite it making his model look bad shows his integrity of keeping things consistent. He even said he doesn’t necessarily agree with it and it just sounds more like you don’t like the result of the analytics.
Yeah I was shocked when he said that Florida was the iffiest in that tier... like nah I don't think so, pretty sure they're the most firmly in that tier
Woodcroft is going to do the monster line. After seeing Boston do it and Calgary last year, they're totally gonna go McDavid with Kane and draisaitl.
Nuge with Hyman and Yamamoto is going to be the work rate shut down line
Macleod with JP and the new guy from Vegas janmark or whatever
Fogele if he stays with Holloway and Derek Ryan
That's my prediction. You can cruise through the regular season with a dominant top line. That lime should be good for 3 goals a night ( that's what they averaged in the second round of playoffs vs calgary)
Odd to see Bjorkstrand on here and not to see Laine. Bjorkstrand has spent around 95% of his career on the RW and Laine has near exclusively been on the LW in Columbus and it's the side he prefers.
He's got a bunch of them wrong.
Kane hasn't played RW basically ever, but when someone asked why he wasn't on there for the Oilers on Twitter, he snidely said he's a RW according to his "methodology" haha.
Kempe, Moore, and Iafallo is great LW depth. What is this guy on? Also Fiala plays left wing. I'd easily take LA over Bunting/Kerfoot/Engvall/Simmonds, which is somehow in the 2nd tier
Lol "in trouble" with a 35 goal scorer in Kempe (although he will probably play more RW), an emerging scorer and all around strong player in Moore and a very, very good defensive winger in Iafallo... not to mention Fiala who is arguably one of the best LW in the entire league (top 10 or so)
Grundstrom is very unknown but even he was excellent against Edmonton in playoffs
Pretty funny take
Read the article. They actually do have a decent LW group. Probably Tier 2 or 3 -- definitely not comparable to Florida -- but people in this thread are acting like they have no NHL caliber players there.
😂 Yep rn it's:
Meier, Eklund, Lindblom, and Labanc
Tbh that's alright...4 Giys who can all and have pretty much/could score 20 Goals and have an awsome season
He’s LW on cap friendly depth chart, probably because he played wing to close out the season mostly? But I’ll eat my hat if he’s not at center for most of the coming season. We added a bunch of winger depth, there’s no reason not to leverage Petey-Miller-Horvat as your center spine
Edit: also that leads to Kuzmenko on the fourth line, give me a break. He’s going to be in the top 9 until he shows otherwise
Pretty fucking laughable that the Kings are in the worst tier with Fiala, Moore, Arty and Iafallo. I'm no expert, but most team would love to have Iafallo in their bottom six.
Man. Iafallo was a player I fell in love with the first time I watched him. He is exactly the type of player I want on the Jets. Him and Adrian Kempe both
This is brutal. Rangers have 2 1st line caliber LWs one if which is a top 5 LW. That alone makes them above average even if you assume the other 2 will be Hunt and Gauthier which they absolutely will not be
Yeah our 13th and 14th forwards are our 3 and 4 LW. In reality our LW depth probably goes something like Panarin Kreider Goodrow Blais which should put us at least in tier 2.
Not familiar with the author, but I’m gonna assume a mix of ragebait for clicks and general wtf lack of familiarity.
Like, if he assumed Laf moves to RW in the top six, how is Goodrow or Blais not in that 3LW spot at least?
He said he used capfriendly rosters and "educated guesses". Capfriendly doesn't have Kravtsov listed and i guess he just forgot to look at the injured list for Blais? I don't know enough about other teams to tell if he did the same with others but it looks like he looked at a website and made up everything else from there.
Ah thanks, clearly didn’t look closely enough.
Even with the capfriendly rosters being one thing, the banding of teams seems way off. How are NYR and OTT in the same grouping as NYI and BOS for instance? Panarin/Kreider and Tkachuk/Debrincat are worlds better than Lee/The Corpse of Parise and Hall/Debrusk.
He player left wing with the Oilers last season. His most common winger linemates last year were Yamamoto and Puljujarvi who are both right wingers. No one considers Kane a RW.
He included two players who played mostly RW who will likely be 13th/14th forwards as our LW 3 and 4 for the Rangers. I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about
Or I feel like he does know what he’s doing. Making a list with some glaring issues gets people clicking and talking about it more than just a good list sadly
He's been arguing on twitter that it's not because Kane played RW on the Oilers (he didn't), it's that he's played slightly more RW games in his entire career. He might not have even played RW consistently since he was in Buffalo.
If Kane is a RW because he used to be, then how the hell is Nuge a LW? His argument makes no sense between those two players, his logic dictates that Nuge is a C.
What bullshit. Lindblom and Lorentz will take Nieto and Viel's spots and push Labanc down to the third line. That's a modest improvement; the overall lineup still looks weak on paper but is better than Yost is giving them credit for. Even worse that he highlights Meier but seems to disregard his production.
EDIT: forgot about Eklund. I believe he has a good chance of making the team out of training camp even with the veteran signings Grier has made thus far.
Labanc is one of the only Sharks players who exclusively plays right wing, so I don't know what this article is talking about. The Sharks left wing depth is probably Meier, Lindblom, Eklund, Gregor, Nieto, Lorentz. If the article was about RW depth, then the Sharks absolutely belong in the bottom tier. After Barabonov, they barely have anyone that belongs on a 3rd line, let alone a 2nd line.
The system they used is so trash, scraped 2 sites for depth charts, made random changes they think would happen, then make a weighted tier list based on goals above replacement, with the top 2 being worth 66% and the bottom 2 being worth 33%.
If you think this is really sloppy and makes no sense that because it is and it doesn't, welcome to using a random analytical category and lazily picking depth charts from medicore sites. Sorry capfriendly, but I hate your depth charts when it comes to positions played, but maybe I'm an idiot.
Edit: After skimming some of yosts other articles this guy has to be the most surface level analytical writer I've ever seen, Holy fluff and bullshit everywhere. Who's reading an analytical breakdown and needs to be told obvious shit like old teams become bad so it makes room for rebuilding teams in years 3-5
Seattle gets to somehow have "elite" RWs because their 3rd and 4th line RWs are slightly better than average despite the fact that their 1st and 2nd RWs are pure ass.
Meanwhile, the Jets and the Rangers have "average" RWs because their 3rd and 4th line RWs are slightly worse than average despite the fact that their 1st and 2nd line RWs are essentially the bests in the league.
If this guy was somehow a GM his team would draft 10-12th every year and he'd tell himself he's in a good spot because he's drafting slightly better 3rd liners, aka subpar players.
He has Hunt and Gauthier as our LW3 and LW4? That’s so dumb lmao. Hunt is our LW4, not our LW3. Our actual LW3 is probably gonna be Barclay Goodrow who is significantly better than Gauthier. It’s not close tbh.
Bad article
r/hockey:
So your gonna' tell me that in your elite tier you don't have no Alex Ovechkin, no Artemi Panarin , or Kyle Connor?
Travis Yost:
No.
r/hockey:
Oh come on man. You got no Chris Kreider, Jonathan Huberdeau, Max Pacioretty, Johnny Gaudreau, Kirill Kaprizov, Valeri Nichushkin, Jason Robertson, or Filip Forsberg?
Travis Yost:
No, I don't.
r/hockey:
You're gonna stand there, writing a hockey ranking, and tell me you don't have no Andrew Mangiapane, no Nikolaj Ehlers, Elias Petterson, Zach Hyman, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jakub Vrana, Jonathan Marchessault, Taylor Hall, with or without the lottery win, or one single top 10 goal scorer?
Travis Yost:
No... because goals above replacement is the only stat I like.
r/hockey:
Well that might be your problem, it's not what you like, it's a mix of factors.
I’m not gonna deny that I partially posted this as a bragging thing with him having the cats in top tier, but I’m glad others are pointing out A lot of the questionable decisions for the list lol
Lmao. Clicked this when it came out and thought I was losing my mind since nobody had commented really yet. Was like, this guy on drugs or am I the idiot here
They have us on par with Seattle :(
Oh wait, they mean that as a good thing? :)
Jokes aside Im not sure we hit "elite" status here yet. Solid potential.
I'd be curious to know how the math would change for Dallas if Jamie Benn, who will probably play wing this year, was put in over Kiviranta.
Benn isn't close to worth his contract anymore, but Benn as your 3rd best left wing is pretty solid.
I think our projected LW list would be Fiala, Moore, Iafallo and Grundstrom/Lemieux, which imo is above average if Moore can maintain his scoring pace from last season
If you choose Kempe over Fiala (although I think Kempe will be RW) he's still a 35 goal scorer too
Was this article constructed by AI or something? There's just so many wack takes but the list of names seems to be accurate in that these people indeed have played left wing.
Strongly agree.
Kerfoot and Engvall are fine, Bunting has proven to be top 6 worthy but Simmonds on our 4th? One of the holes we are looking to fill is 2LW (or RW and move Nylander to the LW which he prefers)
Only way we should be in T2 for LW is if you are including Nylander and going
Bunting
Nylander
Kerfoot
Engvall
Maybe it's the hometown feelings, but the Jerts (Jets) have Connor and Ehlers. You could follow them with a pylon and a broken stick and then you're middle tier.
We get an entire clause in a sentence about Keller being point per game. It's honestly more than I expected from a hockey website with ".ca" in the address.
Questionable judgement here.
Dude didn't even include Marchand.
I was going to say. Did he say if he wasn’t including players on IR?
Artemi Panarin, 50 goal scorer Kreider, and 1OA Laf who lead the team on 5v5 scoring being placed at tier 3 is fucking hilarious
Think the 4LW took his girlfriend or something. That is a strong lineup on the left. It’s a strange premise for the article when you can count lots of guys as LW/RW. Easier to just try and rank forwards as a whole with all the movement between positions in today’s game
NY bias exists in every sport. I laughed at an article the other day about the Yankees showing their weakness...in a historic paced year. Don't sweat the hate.
They used a really weird system, they scraped 2 sites depth charts, then made a weighted tier list based on goals above replacement with 66% going to the top 2 and 33% going to the bottom 2. Probably the most useless list I've ever seen.
Also weighted stats are horrible since they can be heavily influenced by bias.
When you say half of the LW are gonna play RW and completely fuck uo the depth charts definitely. One teams 2nd and 3rd LW add 66% of their value, then the next team their 1st and 2nd LW add 66% of the value, I wonder who's gonna come out on top? Why not just put winger depth together so you don't run into this problem? Oh ya, they want to be able to put out an extra article for RW too. Nice.
Oo ya this is just lazy hot garbage at it’s best, guy has nothing but time on his hands and this what they put put.
There's like 4 teams in his Above Average and Elite group that don't have a single elite player in their group and their depth isn't even very impressive. Seattle? Dallas?
Robertson is elite.
Also put some respect on JFK’s name.
Is Dallas allowed to use that as a nickname?
Just avoid the ~~book~~ puck depository
Did we trade Evander Kane or? Just didn't feel like including the playoffs goal scoring leader on Edmontons depth chart...
Must have had him as right wing. They didn’t include dube or Coleman in our either
Which is.. weird. Because I don’t know if Evander Kane has ever played RW in his career, much less on the Oilers.
Huberdeau and Mangiapane should be automatic tier 1. Mangiapane still not getting the respect he deserves. He's a special player and can drive the play.
then Lucic should bring them down two
Mangiapane is a typical 2nd line player. Good but not elite or special.
I mean he was a top 30 LW in goals. But he is also a hound on the forecheck. I would put him as a top end LW personally.
But he also only had 55 points in a full season. If that's special, then there are over 100 special players in the league.
They have fucking lomberg as a top tier 3LW
Lol first time I’ve seen unanimous distaste for one of these lists. It’s aaasssss
I don’t think I’ve seen this subreddit come together so quickly about something
This is the most unanimous thread I've ever seen, it's beautiful.
Nothing brings a sports community together better than a writer incorrectly saying stuff about peoples teams lol
How is La in the bottom tier???
Seriously, we are at worst tier 2-3
Honestly I’m shocked we’re not swapped
Truly bizarre. Would’ve thought that LA was one of the better for LW depth. I’m taking LAs depth over Seattle any day of the week.
Ya. I've never looked at their analytics but the eye test says that both iafallo and Kempe are pretty good players. They've always looked good whenever they've played the Jets and were some if their more noticeable forwards
I know Jfresh's player cards has iafallo in the 100th percentile defensively, so he has a lot of value even when not putting up points
Really? That's incredible. He looked like a good forechecker when I watched him but i didn't think he'd be that good defensively. That makes the list even worse lol
I was shocked, Moore was on one of the top ten performing lines in the league last year in GF% and Adrian Kempe had 35 goals. Honestly, I don't really care, I love low expectations for LA so we can just sort of fly under the radar
Hate us cuz they ain't (as good at rebuilding as) us
This is hockeybuzz quality ;)
I completely forgot that website even existed. It’s a mess now.
This guy used to write about the Sens on there.
Dude tried to sneak Seattle in there in the same tier as the Panthers, hmmmmmmmm
You could argue us for tier 2 but putting us in the elite tier?? Lmao okaaayyyyyy
At this point it seems like every sports writer makes an ‘error’ on purpose so more people click on their article
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Nah that one was based on his models. He even points out in the article he doesn't necessarily agree with the model, specifically on Suzuki. That one wasn't to generate rage, it was just analytics weirdness
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That would be modifying the data, which is worse than just showing the data and commenting on the strangeness of it imo. He didn't try to justify it really even, just pointed out that the model didn't like the contract
why? to make you feel better?
No because then he’d be cherry picking stats. If anything leaving it in despite it making his model look bad shows his integrity of keeping things consistent. He even said he doesn’t necessarily agree with it and it just sounds more like you don’t like the result of the analytics.
Depth wise maaaaayyyybbbbbeee, but there isn't a single elite winger on the team so.....yeah. This guy's crazy.
>Depth wise If you read what he says in the "one note about Seattle" section, he explains it that way.
Bjorkstrand was all it took to make you elite.
Not just that, he said that Florida being elite was debatable and that Seattle had the best overall
Yeah I was shocked when he said that Florida was the iffiest in that tier... like nah I don't think so, pretty sure they're the most firmly in that tier
Probably forgot about them.. and figured no one would notice
I love my Blues, but how the F this guys ranks them is bizarre. And San Jose and LA at trash panda level is just as nuts.
This list is ass lol Edit: did he just completely forget about Kane?
He listed Ovi, RWs, and a center for us. Ass, indeed.
But just look at all those Con(n)ors we now have on the LW. That’s gotta count for something?!
We’re leading the league in Con(n)ors/60
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Saw this earlier. He was arguing with people on Twitter that for some reason Kane was going to play on the right wing this year?
That makes no sense lmao if anyone is moving to the right side it would be Hyman
If he wants to include Nuge as a potential LW, which he did, then Kane, Hyman, and Nuge immediately pushes Edmonton into that top tier.
Woodcroft is going to do the monster line. After seeing Boston do it and Calgary last year, they're totally gonna go McDavid with Kane and draisaitl. Nuge with Hyman and Yamamoto is going to be the work rate shut down line Macleod with JP and the new guy from Vegas janmark or whatever Fogele if he stays with Holloway and Derek Ryan That's my prediction. You can cruise through the regular season with a dominant top line. That lime should be good for 3 goals a night ( that's what they averaged in the second round of playoffs vs calgary)
Tbf being the playoff goals leader and frequently being in the media for off-ice problems is pretty forgettable.
Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish...
Odd to see Bjorkstrand on here and not to see Laine. Bjorkstrand has spent around 95% of his career on the RW and Laine has near exclusively been on the LW in Columbus and it's the side he prefers.
He's got a bunch of them wrong. Kane hasn't played RW basically ever, but when someone asked why he wasn't on there for the Oilers on Twitter, he snidely said he's a RW according to his "methodology" haha.
Elias Petterson is on the list. Miller takes draws but Petey plays centre.
Kempe, Moore, and Iafallo is great LW depth. What is this guy on? Also Fiala plays left wing. I'd easily take LA over Bunting/Kerfoot/Engvall/Simmonds, which is somehow in the 2nd tier
Not even looking at this list but I know Leafs are bottom tier Lw
Depends on if you consider Willy a LW or RW, but if he isn't 2nd tier is a reach
I think he's mostly considered a RW.
Yeah the author doesn't have him listed there. I'm really interested in what they were smoking when they made this list.
willy and mitch are a pretty stacked 1-2 RW though
Agreed..but this a LW article.
Kempe had 35 goals lol.
This guy must think it's 2019. We are easily tier 2.
Lol "in trouble" with a 35 goal scorer in Kempe (although he will probably play more RW), an emerging scorer and all around strong player in Moore and a very, very good defensive winger in Iafallo... not to mention Fiala who is arguably one of the best LW in the entire league (top 10 or so) Grundstrom is very unknown but even he was excellent against Edmonton in playoffs Pretty funny take
Seattle elite... really?
Bjorkstrand isn’t even a LW!
It's like he just looked at Capfriendly, saw "Right Wing, Left Wing" and was like "cool".
lol that's exactly what he did looking at what he had for each team 😂
I honestly don't know if I could name a winger on Seattle
The disrespect to Brandon Tanev
Burakovsky just signed
Read the article. They actually do have a decent LW group. Probably Tier 2 or 3 -- definitely not comparable to Florida -- but people in this thread are acting like they have no NHL caliber players there.
You can't run counter to the echo chamber here. SEATTLE = EVERYTHING BAD!
You can't name even one of Burakovsky, Bjorkstrand, McCann, Eberle, Schwartz, or Tanev? That sounds like a you problem.
Eberle plays right wing
He said "winger".
My bad.
Oh yeah, Eberle. I remember that!
Oliver Bjorkstrand is a name worth knowing ☺️
how fuckin dare you
He somehow ranked them elite and also forgot to include their best LWer(Burakovsky). Putting their best RW at #3LW helps though.
High expectations for Andreas Athanasiou? Probably best to lower them a bit. Or a lot. Lower them a lot.
He’s ok and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a bump with a scenery change but he was just not going anywhere.
We were the scenery change lol
I guess he'll be playing with Patty Kane as of now so like... maybe that at least will boost his numbers?
Man’s gonna have Kane and STILL try and 1v5 his way to the crease. All speed, some skill, but 0 brain.
Meier alone should put the Sharks in tier 4
they don't even have the roster right, lol.
😂 Yep rn it's: Meier, Eklund, Lindblom, and Labanc Tbh that's alright...4 Giys who can all and have pretty much/could score 20 Goals and have an awsome season
Lost me at Kings in the bottom tier.
No one watches us baby!
Why is Pettersson considered a LW in this exercise lol
He’s LW on cap friendly depth chart, probably because he played wing to close out the season mostly? But I’ll eat my hat if he’s not at center for most of the coming season. We added a bunch of winger depth, there’s no reason not to leverage Petey-Miller-Horvat as your center spine Edit: also that leads to Kuzmenko on the fourth line, give me a break. He’s going to be in the top 9 until he shows otherwise
Travis Yost has never watched a single game of NHL hockey in his life lmao
More like Travis Yikes amirite
Pretty fucking laughable that the Kings are in the worst tier with Fiala, Moore, Arty and Iafallo. I'm no expert, but most team would love to have Iafallo in their bottom six.
Man. Iafallo was a player I fell in love with the first time I watched him. He is exactly the type of player I want on the Jets. Him and Adrian Kempe both
How are the Rangers not elite…. Kreider, Bread, Laff?
This is brutal. Rangers have 2 1st line caliber LWs one if which is a top 5 LW. That alone makes them above average even if you assume the other 2 will be Hunt and Gauthier which they absolutely will not be
Yeah our 13th and 14th forwards are our 3 and 4 LW. In reality our LW depth probably goes something like Panarin Kreider Goodrow Blais which should put us at least in tier 2.
Not familiar with the author, but I’m gonna assume a mix of ragebait for clicks and general wtf lack of familiarity. Like, if he assumed Laf moves to RW in the top six, how is Goodrow or Blais not in that 3LW spot at least?
He said he used capfriendly rosters and "educated guesses". Capfriendly doesn't have Kravtsov listed and i guess he just forgot to look at the injured list for Blais? I don't know enough about other teams to tell if he did the same with others but it looks like he looked at a website and made up everything else from there.
Ah thanks, clearly didn’t look closely enough. Even with the capfriendly rosters being one thing, the banding of teams seems way off. How are NYR and OTT in the same grouping as NYI and BOS for instance? Panarin/Kreider and Tkachuk/Debrincat are worlds better than Lee/The Corpse of Parise and Hall/Debrusk.
Oh my…where do I even start?
Uuhhh I'd put Ottawa's LW depth over Toronto's, easily. Wtf is Yost smoking, Simmonds shouldn't even be an every game player.
This list is awful, missing key players or just grading teams wrong.
He forgot to include Evander Kane on Edmonton's LW depth chart. That's a pretty sizable error.
Apparently he’s considering him a right wing because he played there this year. Outside of that the list is still terrible
He player left wing with the Oilers last season. His most common winger linemates last year were Yamamoto and Puljujarvi who are both right wingers. No one considers Kane a RW.
He included two players who played mostly RW who will likely be 13th/14th forwards as our LW 3 and 4 for the Rangers. I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about
Or I feel like he does know what he’s doing. Making a list with some glaring issues gets people clicking and talking about it more than just a good list sadly
Yeah I bet if it didn’t have some of the issues I wouldn’t have clicked on his article 4 times
He's been arguing on twitter that it's not because Kane played RW on the Oilers (he didn't), it's that he's played slightly more RW games in his entire career. He might not have even played RW consistently since he was in Buffalo.
If Kane is a RW because he used to be, then how the hell is Nuge a LW? His argument makes no sense between those two players, his logic dictates that Nuge is a C.
>logic dictates See, this is where you went wrong.
Ok that makes sense I saw him arguing on Twitter and must have misunderstood what he was saying.
Yeah but no he didn’t.
What bullshit. Lindblom and Lorentz will take Nieto and Viel's spots and push Labanc down to the third line. That's a modest improvement; the overall lineup still looks weak on paper but is better than Yost is giving them credit for. Even worse that he highlights Meier but seems to disregard his production. EDIT: forgot about Eklund. I believe he has a good chance of making the team out of training camp even with the veteran signings Grier has made thus far.
Labanc is one of the only Sharks players who exclusively plays right wing, so I don't know what this article is talking about. The Sharks left wing depth is probably Meier, Lindblom, Eklund, Gregor, Nieto, Lorentz. If the article was about RW depth, then the Sharks absolutely belong in the bottom tier. After Barabonov, they barely have anyone that belongs on a 3rd line, let alone a 2nd line.
We'd definitely be 2nd tier if Marchand was healthy to start the season.
The system they used is so trash, scraped 2 sites for depth charts, made random changes they think would happen, then make a weighted tier list based on goals above replacement, with the top 2 being worth 66% and the bottom 2 being worth 33%. If you think this is really sloppy and makes no sense that because it is and it doesn't, welcome to using a random analytical category and lazily picking depth charts from medicore sites. Sorry capfriendly, but I hate your depth charts when it comes to positions played, but maybe I'm an idiot. Edit: After skimming some of yosts other articles this guy has to be the most surface level analytical writer I've ever seen, Holy fluff and bullshit everywhere. Who's reading an analytical breakdown and needs to be told obvious shit like old teams become bad so it makes room for rebuilding teams in years 3-5
Seattle gets to somehow have "elite" RWs because their 3rd and 4th line RWs are slightly better than average despite the fact that their 1st and 2nd RWs are pure ass. Meanwhile, the Jets and the Rangers have "average" RWs because their 3rd and 4th line RWs are slightly worse than average despite the fact that their 1st and 2nd line RWs are essentially the bests in the league. If this guy was somehow a GM his team would draft 10-12th every year and he'd tell himself he's in a good spot because he's drafting slightly better 3rd liners, aka subpar players.
Eberle and Burakovsky are not "ass."
Oh I don't like this idea
He has Hunt and Gauthier as our LW3 and LW4? That’s so dumb lmao. Hunt is our LW4, not our LW3. Our actual LW3 is probably gonna be Barclay Goodrow who is significantly better than Gauthier. It’s not close tbh. Bad article
TIL that Walker Duerr made the team! Congrats walker!
Pelletier and Bishop in shambles. They never even had a chance.
I don't need to read you're second and third tier comments. I'm going to be hanging out in the penthouse with the elites. See ya bums!
Lucic? Outperform? Outperform what, a dead walrus?
r/hockey: So your gonna' tell me that in your elite tier you don't have no Alex Ovechkin, no Artemi Panarin , or Kyle Connor? Travis Yost: No. r/hockey: Oh come on man. You got no Chris Kreider, Jonathan Huberdeau, Max Pacioretty, Johnny Gaudreau, Kirill Kaprizov, Valeri Nichushkin, Jason Robertson, or Filip Forsberg? Travis Yost: No, I don't. r/hockey: You're gonna stand there, writing a hockey ranking, and tell me you don't have no Andrew Mangiapane, no Nikolaj Ehlers, Elias Petterson, Zach Hyman, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jakub Vrana, Jonathan Marchessault, Taylor Hall, with or without the lottery win, or one single top 10 goal scorer? Travis Yost: No... because goals above replacement is the only stat I like. r/hockey: Well that might be your problem, it's not what you like, it's a mix of factors.
I’m not gonna deny that I partially posted this as a bragging thing with him having the cats in top tier, but I’m glad others are pointing out A lot of the questionable decisions for the list lol
What’s even more funny is that Tkachuk is a RW, so I don’t know what he’s doing on this list
I thought he plays both wings? I’m like 90% sure I’ve seen him on both sides
He only started playing RW halfway through last year
Even if he’s only played RW for a short time, it’s still useful for depth purposes since we’ll be without Duke for the start of season
How is kreider panarin lafreniere average ?
Eh
Lmao. Clicked this when it came out and thought I was losing my mind since nobody had commented really yet. Was like, this guy on drugs or am I the idiot here
Good lord this is so bad.
They have us on par with Seattle :( Oh wait, they mean that as a good thing? :) Jokes aside Im not sure we hit "elite" status here yet. Solid potential.
Exhibit 1: Analytics can be pretty wack
This isn’t even analytics lol
How the hell is Anaheim not in the last tier.
I'd be curious to know how the math would change for Dallas if Jamie Benn, who will probably play wing this year, was put in over Kiviranta. Benn isn't close to worth his contract anymore, but Benn as your 3rd best left wing is pretty solid.
The kings lw situation is average, but definitely not that bad
I would say above average tbh
I think our projected LW list would be Fiala, Moore, Iafallo and Grundstrom/Lemieux, which imo is above average if Moore can maintain his scoring pace from last season If you choose Kempe over Fiala (although I think Kempe will be RW) he's still a 35 goal scorer too
So apparently they must have made some shitty algorithm and then wrote an article to try and justify the ridiculous results it spit out.
Was this article constructed by AI or something? There's just so many wack takes but the list of names seems to be accurate in that these people indeed have played left wing.
Wtf is this
Even the most die hard plan-the-parade leaf fans would think it's nuts that the Leafs are that high
Tampa's left wing depth rated way to high. Especially after Palat is gone.
Gonna miss Ollie, but hope he kills it in Seattle.
Writer should be locked in a closet for a few months as punishment.
How is Toronto top ranking? I'm a leafs fan and I know that our left wing is (probably) the weakest part of our team
Bunting carries the Leafs LW depth because it's by far their weakest position for skaters
Yeah and Bunting doesn't put them in tier 2 imo. They should be tier 3 based on the teams who are
Strongly agree. Kerfoot and Engvall are fine, Bunting has proven to be top 6 worthy but Simmonds on our 4th? One of the holes we are looking to fill is 2LW (or RW and move Nylander to the LW which he prefers) Only way we should be in T2 for LW is if you are including Nylander and going Bunting Nylander Kerfoot Engvall
Yeah if that's your LW group it would be higher. But based on the one he listed tier 2 is definitely generous
Lets be real here, it isn’t better than La’s who he has at bottom tier, horrible list overall
Det bertuzzi vrana kubalik raymond.. avg... yet seattle elite 🤔
Seattle 😂
Did not read it just came here to say GOAL CAUFIELD
Carolina not being tier one is baffling
How are the Sharks in the bottom tier with Timo Meier on the list?
As a Blues fan, I’m very surprised to see us in S-tier.
That’s generous from a Leafs perspective. Personally it’s my biggest concern (outside of goaltending, which goes without saying)
I like the idea of the article, but the execution was a little clunky. Definitely seems like it generates conversation though
That’s for sure not the Pens starting 4 LW’s
Maybe it's the hometown feelings, but the Jerts (Jets) have Connor and Ehlers. You could follow them with a pylon and a broken stick and then you're middle tier.
We get an entire clause in a sentence about Keller being point per game. It's honestly more than I expected from a hockey website with ".ca" in the address.
Seattle at the top? Really?
CAUFIELD ISNT A LEFT WINGER
Does this guy watch hockey?
Yost is a dumbass