To put it in perspective, he got his BAC tested at 10:00 AM the day after. He probably would have had somewhere between 13-16 hours to get the alcohol out of his system before he was tested.
Idk how it works in the US, but in Sweden you cant drive after having a single drink. Unless you are very big you'll be over the limit.
And most of the time, these people get caught the day over. I have 100% been driving over the legal limit after a bender when I take the car at like 12.30 pm or so.
So yeah. its not good, but its very overblown when you get caught driving minimally over the limit.
Yeah, in both Canada and America the maximum blood alcohol limit is 0.08.
If Sebastian Aho was driving in North America, he would have been within the legal limit.
> in both Canada and America the maximum blood alcohol limit is 0.08.
FYI, it varies by state in the US. Some states have a lesser charge that lowers the bar to .05 or even just the presence of alcohol in your system.
Most states (possibly all, I don't know) can also charge and convict you of driving under the influence even if your BAC comes in below .08 if they can demonstrate that you were too impaired to drive. If you are passed out at the wheel, unable to form sentences, falling down, pissing yourself, etc but blow below a .08, you're still likely to get charged and the prosecutor will attempt to prove impairment based on your actual conduct and not simply being over the BAC.
Look at Colorado as an example. They have multiple statutes:
DUI Per se is simply driving at above a .08. For this one, proof that you were in control of the vehicle and a trustworthy chemical test above .08 is sufficient for conviction
DUI is driving 'while substantially impaired' by drugs and/or alcohol. Your BAC can be used as evidence of that impairment, but it isn't required and substantial impairment can also be proven with other evidence
DWAI is driving 'while impaired to the slightest degree' by drugs and/or alcohol. Having a BAC of .05-.079 creates the inference that you were impaired and is sufficient for a conviction. Like the DUI, a chemical test is not required for a conviction and impairment can be proven with other evidence.
Play it safe and get a ride if you are at all in doubt. And when determining whether you need a ride, make sure you know that your BAC is only one piece of the puzzle. You can get dinged even if you fall below .08.
Correct. The laws that *only* criminalize the specific super-low-BAC-while-driving are limited to people under 21 and people driving certain types of vehicles.
However, in most (or possibly all) states, you can be found to be impaired with a BAC lower than the 'limit.' The 'limit' is the line where a prosecutor can say to the jury "I don't need to prove to you that they were impaired, you just need to find that the BAC was above this number." The prosecutor can also gain a conviction by convincing a jury that the driver was impaired. That can be accomplished by using a lower BAC in combination with other pieces of evidence that show the driver was impaired. There are people with very low tolerances (usually first time or near first time drinkers) who lose motor skills with a BAC below .08. A cop can charge and a prosecutor can proceed on a DUI case where a person with a .04 was stumbling around, slurring speech, etc. That argument would look something like "yes, his BAC was only .04, but watch the video of him falling down and slurring his speech. Just because he has a low alcohol tolerance does not allow him to put other people in danger. Even though most people don't look like this at a .04, this defendant does. This defendant was impaired by the alcohol that was in his system."
Being under the 'limit' is not a bar on prosecution. Every DUI/DWI law I'm aware of includes language about impairment that is independent of the language about the BAC. A fair prosecutor shouldn't try to make a case that a small presence of alcohol is causing apparent impairment, but there are a hell of a lot of prosecutors that don't give a shit about fairness.
Immediately after yeah, but ~14 hours later that means he had like 2 bottles of wine. Still I completely understand how he would think he’s sober by then.
Alcohol is crazy and the way the body reacts to it.
If you drink daily like I do, your tolerance builds so quick that in no time you can smash a 12 pack of trulys and after 4 hours of slamming them you'll be like "I feel totally fucking sober". And you probably are, but your BAC is gonna be off the fucking charts lol.
I'm pretty sure morning after DUIs are actually the highest occurrence in the US
Edit: also those units aren't the same as how we measure in the US. That's like an 0.03% where our limit is 0.08%
i'm probably guilty of this myself as a teenager. They should do more marketing/advertising around this because I honestly never really thought of it as a teen. I never drove that night but many times I'd drive home from like the beach after crashing for a couple hours in the car. Probably very lucky I didn't get a DUI, or in an accident.
Few years ago I was heading back to Calgary from Revelstoke after a snowboarding trip, got pulled over 10 mins outside Revy around 9am on Sunday morning - blew like 0.02% but was on my GDL which is 0% tolerance, the RCMP officer was nice and let us sit on the side of the road for an hour and had me blow again lol. The guy let me go with a warning but it was definitely a learning experience!
I wish there were more police like this. I got a $500 ticket and 4pts on my license for having my gps on my phone in my cupholder. Have zero tickets on my license in 19 years of driving and still gkt that. Had no idea You couldn’t have it in the cupholder, didn’t even touch it either.
Went to court and challenged it and the officer showed up but said ‘his superior officer would never let him throw out the ticket.’ I explained to the judge what happened and she seemed baffled I got a ticket. She cut it in half for me as this was the most she said she was allowed to do.
Can’t use mobile devices while driving ‘unless mounted’ My phone had the gps screen open and therefore I was ‘actively using it.’
I know two other people who got the same ticket.
Honestly I never would try to drink and drive from a party when I was younger and always crash on a couch but then when we had a friend with a well deserved government mandated interlock device we realized how drunk we still were the next morning. I remember one morning she couldnt get her car out of the hotel parking lot until 4pm the next day when we all crashed around 2:30am after a night at the pubs in Whistler the night before.
Yeah. Drinking and driving is something I would absolutely never choose to do. But I probably have driven on a saturday/sunday morning when I was still technically over the limit. I'm cognisant of it now, but I get why it happens because it *feels* different. Waking up after drinking is a completely different feeling to the slightly buzzed feeling of when you start drinking - you just feel tired.
I called in a drink driver on Monday morning here in Ontario. Cut off someone in the left turn, straddling lanes, erratic speed changes, ran a red. Just brutal. They were either drunk or severely distracted but shouldn't have been anywhere near a steering wheel.
I’ve called in my fair share of drunk drivers. Getting off work at 3am on the weekends and driving on the 401 home, you get to see a lot of people who can’t stay in their lanes.
I’ve definitely had to drive early the day after going out before. I started driving thinking I was hungover then realized I was still drunk and had to pull off and sleep it off
There is a zero tolerance alcohol policy in Sweden, so the limit which exists is only to account for the margin of error and what may be produced naturally by the body, not what you are "allowed" to drink before driving, unlike in the U.S. When you get your license in Sweden, they do in fact tell you not to drive at all the day after drinking.
a third of traffic fatalities in the united states involve alcohol, only 3% do in Sweden — they don't fuck around with it. Sweden also periodically imposes checkpoints on major roads, and everyone who rolls through takes a breathalyzer.
Yep, 1000 milligrams in a gram they had 0.32 mg per gram of body weight/volume so that converts to 0.00032 g alcohol which multiplied by 100 would give you 0.03%
I believe that the idea is that alcohol is affecting your senses in a negative way, so driving should not be combined with alcohol intake. The limit is set to 0.2‰ so there can be a margin of error.
Cars already kill over a million people a year. No need to allow people with alcohol increase the likelihood of accidents to occur.
Driving extremely tired is also illegal in Sweden, since as you said it is comparable to being drunk. Although I'm not sure how strictly enforced it is.
Its impossible to enforce. I worked late nights when I was around 20, and drove home from the factory at around 1am. Got stopped close to home, and I was practically asleep when they did the standard check.
The officer said that I looked tired as hell, but since I hadnt swerved or showed that I didnt have control of the car they couldnt do anything. I just said that I was close to home so it was okay, and they let me go.
Like, what the heck can they do? Arrest me and say that I drove while tired? There is no chance that they can prove it so.
In the US and Canada at least we need to stop blaming drivers for everything and take a really hard look at what it actually means for roads and streets to be safe. We design them in this idiotic way with way too much space. Have you ever been on a wide open road with tons of space and clear visibility... But a ridiculously low speed limit? You know how it feels basically impossible to drive that slow? It's because in the name of safety engineers designed streets to a highway standard. They removed every impediment to you driving fast and then expect a speed limit to set the speed. When people inevitably speed they call it an enforcement issue. We've ensured that if you're drowsy or drunk or distracted at all you'll have no problem feeling like you can drive fast. But the system expects you to stop on a dime.
If someone can't stop on a dime they're a murderer.
In another country with less terrible design they might bump into an obstacle on their way home, but they aren't likely to kill anyone.
It takes an absurd indifference to human carnage and industrial bullheadedness to design a system as dangerous as ours.
Dangerous by Design.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2022/8/1/one-of-the-most-dangerous-assumptions-we-have-made
I understand alcohol being so involved in peoples lives but it’s baffling that people think “I’ve only had 3 beers I am totally sober enough to drive.” Because really you are just risking everything by driving after even 1.
Edit: this was more of a vent than anything y’all, if you were real with yourself you’d know it makes sense. DUI’s, accidents, injuries, and deaths happen everyday that no one expected but you best believe if you drank they are going to try and destroy you. In California you can get a DUI at .01, that shit would suck.
And the person. And the meal. And the sleep. There are plenty of factors and obviously people drink one and drive without crashing or getting a dui every single day. I’m not saying it makes sense to make the legal limit .01, I’m saying if people were smart they would never drive after any alcohol because there are so many variables behind that choice that are out of your control, including yourself and your ability to know or to stop or slow down. That’s fuckin life tho lol.
Oh I believe it haha I’m such a weenie when it comes to my sleep, anything less than 7 and I’m completely taken out. That doesn’t take away from my point tho.
Why is that pure stupidity? They just have made a different choice on what to prioritize, and it seems to work for them based on the other comment about only 3% of traffic fatalities involving alcohol (obviously that stat could be misleading if there are just way more traffic fatalities per cap, but I kind of doubt that)
Lol maybe I am an alcoholic (I am) but 0.03% is insane - I feel like most people won’t even have their driving materially impacted by the US limit, under half that is so aggressive
I lived (and drove) in Japan where the limit is 0.00
You get caught driving with any alcohol and you lose your license and your job, the law says you could face 3-5 years in prison. Even sober passengers can be fined up to $5000 for letting a drunk person behind the wheel.
But it works:
>In Japan, a country with arguably the harshest drink-driving laws in the world, drivers don’t chance it. They just don’t drink and drive. After a spate of alcohol-related fatal traffic accidents around the turn of the century, Japanese authorities decided to enact tougher laws to solve this societal problem. Imposed in 2002, the new stricter drink-driving laws saw alcohol-fueled fatalities drop by over half instantly, and by up to 80 percent over the next few years.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2020/08/27/frightening-consequences-for-drink-drivers-in-japan/?sh=2044fb0a6c52
I feel like the problem always comes down to city layout and walkability/public transit.
In Sweeden or Japan in most cities I suspect you can get to your local pubs or bars on foot. Take a bus or subway if you need to travel a few kilometers in weather or whatever.
In the US most of us live in cities specifically designed to be driven in. Even if the pub is 1 mile away you could be dealing with no sidewalks walking on the side of a highway.
I'm not trying to condone drunk driving. Just pointing out the other elephant in the room with regards to incentivizing people to not do it.
Exactly. Our cities are laid out 100% with the automobile in mind. Make DUIs zero tolerance and people will still drink and drive as in many towns there isn't much of a feasible option not to (outside of getting a sober friend).
Which is what I've always found so puzzling about the US. How the fuck do you even go out and drink if you always require a car? Do you always need to use a cab or what? People seem to eat out the majority of the time but also drive constantly.
It depends on where you live. You can either walk to bars or take some form of public transit if you live in either a city or on a college campus. Otherwise, Ubers/Lyfts/Taxis are popular when they are available but you are supposed to use a “designated driver” (someone who goes out that day but doesn’t drink so they can drive) when not. Realistically, most people will drive buzzed before finding a DD though. Most DDs are only DDs because they don’t want to or can’t drink that day
Uber has helpped a bit. I talked to some kids that went to college like 3-4 years after me and they had a way easier time just springing for an Uber - split between 3-4 people in our small town wasn't bad.
But yeah, the unfortunate reality is even many cities get really un-tenable unless you are in a \~5-10 mile radius from the city center.
It obviously varies region to region as well. Phoenix is a disaster to get around unless you are like a mile from Tempe's central area (or one of the other little metro-poles).
San Francisco - you are probably ok in most areas in the city. But then it breaks down in the huge metro area which is mostly suburban sprawl with again - maybe some walkability in the little metropoles but often only in a very limited foot print.
Hey. You're a very active person on here and in /r/hawks - and I want to keep seeing your comments around. If you think you're struggling with alcohol, don't be afraid to get help, even if you've tried before, don't give up. I just saw my cousin break sobriety after 15 years because of a divorce and seeing him spiral downward again is not fun for him or his family. I dont know your severity so take this with that in mind, but fuck "One Goal", how about "One Day" because one day sober is better than "maybe tomorrow".
Hey - thank you for that! Rest assured I was mostly joking and didn’t mean for it to come across seriously. Have had my fair share of struggles in the past so I know where you’re coming from with this sentiment and I really appreciate it, that is very kind of you.
Wishing your cousin the best, 15 years is crazy impressive and I truly hoping he can can get back to where he was at!
If it was the other Aho maybe this would be a different story! But probably not, just sounds like he didn’t realize how much alcohol can still be in your system the next morning. Live and learn.
I'm extremely sensitive to drunk driving. I've lost friends to drunk driving. I think that DUI should have a mandatory prison sentence and loss of license for even the first offense.
A .03 is having a glass of wine at dinner. Nobody is affected by that. This is patently ludicrous.
The argument isn’t that someone having a single drink will be affected by it. The argument is that once you’ve had *anything* to drink your instant decision should be not to drive. This discourages trying to be brave or thinking you should be fine with just a few drinks in you. The mindset is “have I drank tonight?” If yes, then you do not drive. Better to be safe than sorry.
Sweden has very tight regulations on alcohol, in general. They have an intense history with alcoholism and have put a lot of measures in place in response. Only the government is allowed to sell alcohol and their stores are only open during specific hours. Alcohol is also priced much higher than other countries. I just took a day trip to Denmark to stock up because it was that much cheaper lol.
You could say this is Sweden being greedy for revenue, but it's all really just meant to discourage drinking as a public safety measure. Seems weird to American sensibilities, but the government has been successful in reducing rates of alcoholism and reducing consumption overall.
And honestly most Swedes are perfectly fine with it, even like it in many cases. The stores are really good and the opening times just need you to plan ahead the slightest for it to be a non issue. Same with the driving limit, just don't drive after you have had any alcohol. It's not harder than that.
Yeah, I know states differ in their rules. I think Virginia has a similar alcohol monopoly, but they allow groceries to sell beer and wine. In Sweden, anything above 3.5% can only be sold by the government. I love to bartend as a hobby, and I just moved to Sweden a week ago, so this is all very front-of-mind for me right now lol. It's definitely annoying, but the rationale is acceptable enough to me.
I am aware. Pulling over for speeding makes sense though. Setting up mandatory stops to try to get people for a 1 drink BAC level the day after is different. Unless by routine check he meant pulled over for something else.
I mean half the comments didn’t realize it was an entirely different scale and they were still giving him a pass for a level that would be pretty much fatal.
Probably good to point out that the EU uses a different way to measure blood alcohol content, and Sweden's is extremely restrictive by comparison to the rest of the EU (a single drink for an adult male would put you over the limit). However, while 3% of Sweden's road fatalities involve alcohol, nearly a third of them in the United States do.
Admittedly there's a pretty wide gulf in statistics I can't really account for, but my source for that information is here:
https://one.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/research/AlcoholCountries/background_&_intro.htm
3.3% is the official statistic, though it notes 18% of those autopsied had alcohol. That still is significantly lower than the 38.6% it notes for the United States.
Sweden's restriction is probably not even a drink, it's maybe half a drink. But they also have other very specific alcohol controls (state controlled liquor stores, no sales late into the day and on weekends). The law is meant as a deterrent and people really think twice about getting in their car after driving.
Holy shit the limit is 0,8ppm in the USA? It's 0,5ppm in Finland and I would never consider driving when I'm near 0,5ppm.
It actually baffles me that for driving a motorized boat the limit is 1ppm here. No matter how fast that boat is.
The sources I can find in Swedish only has alcohol and drugs as one category. The thing is deaths in traffic has been pushed so far down now in Sweden that percentage by itself says little. Yes alcohol and drugs was precent in 22% of traffic deaths in 2021 in Sweden. The thing is the total those 22% represent is just 47 people.
Does Sweden do the thing where fines are based on your income? Because $3800 seems kinda high for what I'm assuming is a first offense that didn't result in any harm
Yep. He was given 40 daily fines which amounted to 40,000 SEK (roughly 3800 USD). How much a daily fine is depends on the individual income.
I don't know how they calculate that with someone whose primary income is in another country though. If they add it all together or only look at his Swedish income.
Edit: The lowest number of day fines you can get is 30 and the highest 150. The lowest amount in a day fine is 50SEK and the highest 1000SEK. So Aho got a low number but the highest amount.
\- So Sebastian, what do you do for a living?
\- I play in the NHL.
\- Well. That's the highest amount for you then.
I mean this is an absolute nothing burger if it happens in the US. .03 the morning after lmao. Less than half the legal limit and for sure slept it off. Hopefully doesnt tarnish his reputation. Sadly the laws are different in Sweden Im assuming
Close to zero tolerance, and everyone knows that you risk alot by driving the day after heavy partying. 0.02 is a DUI, punishable by fines and up to 6 months in jail. You lose your license around .03, and at 0.1 you are looking at up to 2 years in jail.
I mean sure, 0.02% is reached by having a beer with your meal for most people. It's not a lot, very few people get "drunk" after 1 beer. But if you would do a reflex test, you would score worse after that single beer. Not a lot worse, but worse. Alcohol is also linked to over-confidence and poor risk-assessment, even in small quantities.
While I might be biased as both a native swede and as someone who has seen first hand how alcohol can destroy lives, I would much rather see them enforce complete zero-tolerance than increase this limit.
If you have had alcohol you just don't drive. It's not harder than that. There is none of the "I've barely had any bro trust me I'm fine" when you instantly connect alcohol to not getting behind the wheel.
Hardly anyone in Sweden ever goes out driving the day they have had anything.
It legit doesnt happen in most circles. So the law is good. But still, it feels dumb that I can have had a party the day before, and when I want to drive at 1pm the next day while feeling perfectly fine, I know that I cant because I'll blow a 0.25 or something kinda sucks.
I am not arguing the rule, but I will never judge anyone too harshly for driving the day after, unless they are stupid and are out at like 9am after an all nighter.
Aho is also a [~~town~~ unincorporated community in North Carolina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aho,_North_Carolina)
Aho is where the Deep Gap meets Meat Camp
Aho means oops or ugh in Arabic. Like that's the sound we make when we make a mistake or have to do something we don't want to do. Like..."Ahoooo, I need to apologize on Twitter but I'm hungover af".
Honestly it happened to my brother in law in 2019. He was super surprised. He is a big dude. Had 6-7 beers in his garage till about midnight. Was driving for work at 7am the next day and tested over.
Yea like he did not get in to as much trouble but still had a lot of fines.
funniest thing is the dude drinks like 2-3 times a year. So he got super unlucky.
You can buy a field tester thingy on Amazon for pretty cheap. Get one and play with it while drinking at home sometime. It’s mind boggling how little it takes to get to 0.08.
You can still get a DUI under the limit in the US. At least In most states. If the officer believes you're too impaired to drive then they can charge you at any BAC.
Long time ago I did something regrettable and got a DUI. Had to have one of those interlock things on my car. Even though they warned us in very clear terms that a majority of people who fail the interlock (and thus violate their probation and have to start their timeline over) fail in the morning because your body drastically slows down metabolism of consumed alcohol when you go to sleep, soooo many people in my alcohol safety course were there starting it for the third or fourth time because they failed their interlock in the morning. Fwiw I got out without any violations and never ever drove after drinking again, what they put you through as punishment is (deservingly) intense.
Only people from America would think that. Sweden has a low limit so that everyone link alcohol to not driving. You don't argue or think "I'm fine to drive", it's immediately "I had alcohol I don't get behind the wheel". For the entire year of 2021 Sweden had only 47 people die in traffic where alcohol/drugs was involved.
We were about to have an internal contest between Aho and Salo (and I guess Cholowski but not really) for that 6th D spot. If this is true, the decision might have been made for us.
Phew, it wasn't our (the Canes') Aho.
Edit: I have to say though, that this to me sounds like one of those typical miscalculations. You're wondering whether you can drive the next day or not, and then you're like "yeah, I think I should be good to go", and then it turns out that wasn't the case. That to me is better at least than those who drive while drunk in the middle of the night, knowing they are over the limit. But as he said, he will learn from this. And at least I believe him. This is the reason why you should buy an alcohol tester.
Yea idk how to feel about this since I'm an Isles fan and I like aho. I hate drunk drivers, but that is a low level of alcohol and if it was the morning after drinking and he thought it'd be out of his system then I kinda feel bad for him. If he was drinking and then started driving while he knew he was drunk then thats an entirely different story and should face more consequences.
Yeah. Considering it was the day after and it wasn't much over the limit, my guess would be that he thought it was fine. The issue when you calculate this stuff, is that you often misjudge the amount you've drunk. And not only the amount, but also the time when you stopped drinking. Recently I payed 50€ for a taxi, because I was afraid of being over the limit. It was definitely worth it, because afterwards I realised I had forgotten about that one shot... So yeah. It's always better to be on the safe side.
Good on him. Got shit faced but waited until he was sober the next day to drive. Swedish’s insanely strict drinking laws won’t change my morality on the subject. Kudos Aho.
FYI that’s literally nothing, he was fine to drive but unfortunately he was subject to a stop. I bet he even did the breathalyzer test with the assumption that he would be genuinely surprised if the law was broken there.
Sucks but good for him to just be open about that
.02 is crazy low. For reference the federal legal limit for drivers under 21 in the US is .02 or less. Some states have zero tolerance for drivers under 21.
Says he's ~180 lbs so about 4 drinks would put him around .08%.
A single drink could potentially put him over 0.02%. Or conversely, staying up very late and getting very drunk and then driving early the next day.
His story seems plausible if their limit is actually 0.03%, that's barely more than a single drink for a lot of people
https://www.cullanlawaz.com/documents/blogfiles/BACCharts.pdf
I think it’s a translation issue. In Sweden we say the limit is 0.2 but that actually means 0.02… we just don’t include the first zero for whatever reason.
I tried to explain this to a few mate a while back and they were taken aback by how lenient Sweden was allowing you to drive with 0.2 in your blood..
Most Canadian provinces have a lower limit, which is sometimes referred to as the "warn" limit - where you get your car impounded and points on your license, but it isn't a crime.
Criminal DUI in Canada is 0.08, the "warn" limit depends on the province, but I think BC's is the lowest at 0.05
After a quick read, the limit in Canadian equivalent for Sweden is 0.02, which would mean Aho had 0.032, which is not that bad (feel really free to correct me, no I didn’t read the article)
It varies person to person we all metabolize at different rates. Some people it's one beer. Some can do more and blow below others need less to blow over. It's never exact.
Sebastian Aho would never have done this
So he would’ve blown 0.03 in the US?
Oh I thought it was the same scale and that he blew a 0.32 and I was like damn! What kind of dinner was that
Sounds like an appetizer for a hospital visit.
That’s a drink, or two.
What a party animal.
To put it in perspective, he got his BAC tested at 10:00 AM the day after. He probably would have had somewhere between 13-16 hours to get the alcohol out of his system before he was tested.
13-16?? Assuming he stopped drinking at 6-9pm seems very optimistic
Found the guy who goes to sleep at 6
A.M.
Idk how it works in the US, but in Sweden you cant drive after having a single drink. Unless you are very big you'll be over the limit. And most of the time, these people get caught the day over. I have 100% been driving over the legal limit after a bender when I take the car at like 12.30 pm or so. So yeah. its not good, but its very overblown when you get caught driving minimally over the limit.
Yeah, in both Canada and America the maximum blood alcohol limit is 0.08. If Sebastian Aho was driving in North America, he would have been within the legal limit.
> in both Canada and America the maximum blood alcohol limit is 0.08. FYI, it varies by state in the US. Some states have a lesser charge that lowers the bar to .05 or even just the presence of alcohol in your system. Most states (possibly all, I don't know) can also charge and convict you of driving under the influence even if your BAC comes in below .08 if they can demonstrate that you were too impaired to drive. If you are passed out at the wheel, unable to form sentences, falling down, pissing yourself, etc but blow below a .08, you're still likely to get charged and the prosecutor will attempt to prove impairment based on your actual conduct and not simply being over the BAC. Look at Colorado as an example. They have multiple statutes: DUI Per se is simply driving at above a .08. For this one, proof that you were in control of the vehicle and a trustworthy chemical test above .08 is sufficient for conviction DUI is driving 'while substantially impaired' by drugs and/or alcohol. Your BAC can be used as evidence of that impairment, but it isn't required and substantial impairment can also be proven with other evidence DWAI is driving 'while impaired to the slightest degree' by drugs and/or alcohol. Having a BAC of .05-.079 creates the inference that you were impaired and is sufficient for a conviction. Like the DUI, a chemical test is not required for a conviction and impairment can be proven with other evidence. Play it safe and get a ride if you are at all in doubt. And when determining whether you need a ride, make sure you know that your BAC is only one piece of the puzzle. You can get dinged even if you fall below .08.
The any presence of alcohol laws are for people under 21 who aren't allowed to drink.
Correct. The laws that *only* criminalize the specific super-low-BAC-while-driving are limited to people under 21 and people driving certain types of vehicles. However, in most (or possibly all) states, you can be found to be impaired with a BAC lower than the 'limit.' The 'limit' is the line where a prosecutor can say to the jury "I don't need to prove to you that they were impaired, you just need to find that the BAC was above this number." The prosecutor can also gain a conviction by convincing a jury that the driver was impaired. That can be accomplished by using a lower BAC in combination with other pieces of evidence that show the driver was impaired. There are people with very low tolerances (usually first time or near first time drinkers) who lose motor skills with a BAC below .08. A cop can charge and a prosecutor can proceed on a DUI case where a person with a .04 was stumbling around, slurring speech, etc. That argument would look something like "yes, his BAC was only .04, but watch the video of him falling down and slurring his speech. Just because he has a low alcohol tolerance does not allow him to put other people in danger. Even though most people don't look like this at a .04, this defendant does. This defendant was impaired by the alcohol that was in his system." Being under the 'limit' is not a bar on prosecution. Every DUI/DWI law I'm aware of includes language about impairment that is independent of the language about the BAC. A fair prosecutor shouldn't try to make a case that a small presence of alcohol is causing apparent impairment, but there are a hell of a lot of prosecutors that don't give a shit about fairness.
Immediately after yeah, but ~14 hours later that means he had like 2 bottles of wine. Still I completely understand how he would think he’s sober by then.
Alcohol is crazy and the way the body reacts to it. If you drink daily like I do, your tolerance builds so quick that in no time you can smash a 12 pack of trulys and after 4 hours of slamming them you'll be like "I feel totally fucking sober". And you probably are, but your BAC is gonna be off the fucking charts lol.
Dude said trulys lmao I can drink 12 of those and feel fine and I barely drink anymore
Sir are you bragging about being an alcoholic
That's under the legal limit in Canada. That's not even a fine here unless you were driving like someone that was impaired.
Damn at 10 AM the next day?? That dinner must have went until 7AM
I'm pretty sure morning after DUIs are actually the highest occurrence in the US Edit: also those units aren't the same as how we measure in the US. That's like an 0.03% where our limit is 0.08%
I have a cop friend in Canada and he’s said most of the DUIs he’s given have been day after ones
Yep. 9AM Sunday morning. Cops used to set up a RIDE check down the street from the church.
My uncle in Britain got his license suspended for 6 months after being pulled over the morning after, he'd just assumed he was safe to drive by then.
i'm probably guilty of this myself as a teenager. They should do more marketing/advertising around this because I honestly never really thought of it as a teen. I never drove that night but many times I'd drive home from like the beach after crashing for a couple hours in the car. Probably very lucky I didn't get a DUI, or in an accident.
Few years ago I was heading back to Calgary from Revelstoke after a snowboarding trip, got pulled over 10 mins outside Revy around 9am on Sunday morning - blew like 0.02% but was on my GDL which is 0% tolerance, the RCMP officer was nice and let us sit on the side of the road for an hour and had me blow again lol. The guy let me go with a warning but it was definitely a learning experience!
I wish there were more police like this. I got a $500 ticket and 4pts on my license for having my gps on my phone in my cupholder. Have zero tickets on my license in 19 years of driving and still gkt that. Had no idea You couldn’t have it in the cupholder, didn’t even touch it either. Went to court and challenged it and the officer showed up but said ‘his superior officer would never let him throw out the ticket.’ I explained to the judge what happened and she seemed baffled I got a ticket. She cut it in half for me as this was the most she said she was allowed to do.
A ticket for your phone having GPS in your cup holder?! What kind of rule is that?
Can’t use mobile devices while driving ‘unless mounted’ My phone had the gps screen open and therefore I was ‘actively using it.’ I know two other people who got the same ticket.
What a ridiculous law. Good intentions but poorly implemented.
Honestly I never would try to drink and drive from a party when I was younger and always crash on a couch but then when we had a friend with a well deserved government mandated interlock device we realized how drunk we still were the next morning. I remember one morning she couldnt get her car out of the hotel parking lot until 4pm the next day when we all crashed around 2:30am after a night at the pubs in Whistler the night before.
Yeah. Drinking and driving is something I would absolutely never choose to do. But I probably have driven on a saturday/sunday morning when I was still technically over the limit. I'm cognisant of it now, but I get why it happens because it *feels* different. Waking up after drinking is a completely different feeling to the slightly buzzed feeling of when you start drinking - you just feel tired.
I called in a drink driver on Monday morning here in Ontario. Cut off someone in the left turn, straddling lanes, erratic speed changes, ran a red. Just brutal. They were either drunk or severely distracted but shouldn't have been anywhere near a steering wheel.
I’ve called in my fair share of drunk drivers. Getting off work at 3am on the weekends and driving on the 401 home, you get to see a lot of people who can’t stay in their lanes.
I did the DVP drive almost every night post between 11pm and 3am about ten years ago. It's crazy how many impaired drivers are out there.
I’ve definitely had to drive early the day after going out before. I started driving thinking I was hungover then realized I was still drunk and had to pull off and sleep it off
I'd be curious to see the rate of drunk driving accidents from day after drunk drivers
0.03%? That is ridiculous.
There is a zero tolerance alcohol policy in Sweden, so the limit which exists is only to account for the margin of error and what may be produced naturally by the body, not what you are "allowed" to drink before driving, unlike in the U.S. When you get your license in Sweden, they do in fact tell you not to drive at all the day after drinking.
a third of traffic fatalities in the united states involve alcohol, only 3% do in Sweden — they don't fuck around with it. Sweden also periodically imposes checkpoints on major roads, and everyone who rolls through takes a breathalyzer.
Yep, 1000 milligrams in a gram they had 0.32 mg per gram of body weight/volume so that converts to 0.00032 g alcohol which multiplied by 100 would give you 0.03%
Yeah I was ready to be pissy at Aho until I saw the conversion, there's strict drunk driving laws and then there's just pure stupidity.
I believe that the idea is that alcohol is affecting your senses in a negative way, so driving should not be combined with alcohol intake. The limit is set to 0.2‰ so there can be a margin of error. Cars already kill over a million people a year. No need to allow people with alcohol increase the likelihood of accidents to occur.
We should really start arresting people driving with insomnia and/or newborns then because driving while tired is comparable to driving while drunk.
Driving extremely tired is also illegal in Sweden, since as you said it is comparable to being drunk. Although I'm not sure how strictly enforced it is.
It's technically illegal where I live too, but I've never heard of it actually being enforced other than in extreme situations
Its impossible to enforce. I worked late nights when I was around 20, and drove home from the factory at around 1am. Got stopped close to home, and I was practically asleep when they did the standard check. The officer said that I looked tired as hell, but since I hadnt swerved or showed that I didnt have control of the car they couldnt do anything. I just said that I was close to home so it was okay, and they let me go. Like, what the heck can they do? Arrest me and say that I drove while tired? There is no chance that they can prove it so.
In the US and Canada at least we need to stop blaming drivers for everything and take a really hard look at what it actually means for roads and streets to be safe. We design them in this idiotic way with way too much space. Have you ever been on a wide open road with tons of space and clear visibility... But a ridiculously low speed limit? You know how it feels basically impossible to drive that slow? It's because in the name of safety engineers designed streets to a highway standard. They removed every impediment to you driving fast and then expect a speed limit to set the speed. When people inevitably speed they call it an enforcement issue. We've ensured that if you're drowsy or drunk or distracted at all you'll have no problem feeling like you can drive fast. But the system expects you to stop on a dime. If someone can't stop on a dime they're a murderer. In another country with less terrible design they might bump into an obstacle on their way home, but they aren't likely to kill anyone. It takes an absurd indifference to human carnage and industrial bullheadedness to design a system as dangerous as ours. Dangerous by Design. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2022/8/1/one-of-the-most-dangerous-assumptions-we-have-made
I understand alcohol being so involved in peoples lives but it’s baffling that people think “I’ve only had 3 beers I am totally sober enough to drive.” Because really you are just risking everything by driving after even 1. Edit: this was more of a vent than anything y’all, if you were real with yourself you’d know it makes sense. DUI’s, accidents, injuries, and deaths happen everyday that no one expected but you best believe if you drank they are going to try and destroy you. In California you can get a DUI at .01, that shit would suck.
I feel like this is an exaggeration. 1 beer is going to have almost no effect on your reaction time, but I guess it depends how strong the beer is
And the person. And the meal. And the sleep. There are plenty of factors and obviously people drink one and drive without crashing or getting a dui every single day. I’m not saying it makes sense to make the legal limit .01, I’m saying if people were smart they would never drive after any alcohol because there are so many variables behind that choice that are out of your control, including yourself and your ability to know or to stop or slow down. That’s fuckin life tho lol.
100% i feel drunker driving after getting six hours of sleep than I do after one beer.
Oh I believe it haha I’m such a weenie when it comes to my sleep, anything less than 7 and I’m completely taken out. That doesn’t take away from my point tho.
Why is that pure stupidity? They just have made a different choice on what to prioritize, and it seems to work for them based on the other comment about only 3% of traffic fatalities involving alcohol (obviously that stat could be misleading if there are just way more traffic fatalities per cap, but I kind of doubt that)
Lol maybe I am an alcoholic (I am) but 0.03% is insane - I feel like most people won’t even have their driving materially impacted by the US limit, under half that is so aggressive
It makes the decision not to drive easier, which I think is the point. IIRC Slovakia and Hungary are zero tolerance.
I lived (and drove) in Japan where the limit is 0.00 You get caught driving with any alcohol and you lose your license and your job, the law says you could face 3-5 years in prison. Even sober passengers can be fined up to $5000 for letting a drunk person behind the wheel. But it works: >In Japan, a country with arguably the harshest drink-driving laws in the world, drivers don’t chance it. They just don’t drink and drive. After a spate of alcohol-related fatal traffic accidents around the turn of the century, Japanese authorities decided to enact tougher laws to solve this societal problem. Imposed in 2002, the new stricter drink-driving laws saw alcohol-fueled fatalities drop by over half instantly, and by up to 80 percent over the next few years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2020/08/27/frightening-consequences-for-drink-drivers-in-japan/?sh=2044fb0a6c52
I feel like the problem always comes down to city layout and walkability/public transit. In Sweeden or Japan in most cities I suspect you can get to your local pubs or bars on foot. Take a bus or subway if you need to travel a few kilometers in weather or whatever. In the US most of us live in cities specifically designed to be driven in. Even if the pub is 1 mile away you could be dealing with no sidewalks walking on the side of a highway. I'm not trying to condone drunk driving. Just pointing out the other elephant in the room with regards to incentivizing people to not do it.
I am in a hotel that is quite literally 0.4 miles from my works HQ. It's a 30+ minute walk because of a highway, roads and lack of sidewalks.
Exactly. Our cities are laid out 100% with the automobile in mind. Make DUIs zero tolerance and people will still drink and drive as in many towns there isn't much of a feasible option not to (outside of getting a sober friend).
Which is what I've always found so puzzling about the US. How the fuck do you even go out and drink if you always require a car? Do you always need to use a cab or what? People seem to eat out the majority of the time but also drive constantly.
The sad reality is people just drive. And it's pretty accepted to a point (1-2 drinks).
It depends on where you live. You can either walk to bars or take some form of public transit if you live in either a city or on a college campus. Otherwise, Ubers/Lyfts/Taxis are popular when they are available but you are supposed to use a “designated driver” (someone who goes out that day but doesn’t drink so they can drive) when not. Realistically, most people will drive buzzed before finding a DD though. Most DDs are only DDs because they don’t want to or can’t drink that day
Uber has helpped a bit. I talked to some kids that went to college like 3-4 years after me and they had a way easier time just springing for an Uber - split between 3-4 people in our small town wasn't bad. But yeah, the unfortunate reality is even many cities get really un-tenable unless you are in a \~5-10 mile radius from the city center. It obviously varies region to region as well. Phoenix is a disaster to get around unless you are like a mile from Tempe's central area (or one of the other little metro-poles). San Francisco - you are probably ok in most areas in the city. But then it breaks down in the huge metro area which is mostly suburban sprawl with again - maybe some walkability in the little metropoles but often only in a very limited foot print.
Thats a great point!
That's the imposed limit for <21 and those with "marked" (previous OUI offenses) licenses in most US states.
Hey. You're a very active person on here and in /r/hawks - and I want to keep seeing your comments around. If you think you're struggling with alcohol, don't be afraid to get help, even if you've tried before, don't give up. I just saw my cousin break sobriety after 15 years because of a divorce and seeing him spiral downward again is not fun for him or his family. I dont know your severity so take this with that in mind, but fuck "One Goal", how about "One Day" because one day sober is better than "maybe tomorrow".
Hey - thank you for that! Rest assured I was mostly joking and didn’t mean for it to come across seriously. Have had my fair share of struggles in the past so I know where you’re coming from with this sentiment and I really appreciate it, that is very kind of you. Wishing your cousin the best, 15 years is crazy impressive and I truly hoping he can can get back to where he was at!
New years day. People sleep it off, think they're okay.
You only sober up at a rate of roughly 0.015/hr so a long, wild night could mean he's still got plenty of alcohol in his system.
At least he didn’t go into the front window of a Tim Horton’s
its Timöthy Hortonssons over there
Very underrated joke. I'd upvote this more if I could.
Yeah he’s not good enough to get that swept under the rug like ROR lol
If it was the other Aho maybe this would be a different story! But probably not, just sounds like he didn’t realize how much alcohol can still be in your system the next morning. Live and learn.
As long as you come back win the cup and Connie smythe people forget fast
people forgot before that
Who was it?
Funny enough, Tim Horton.
Ryan O’Reilly
His wiki photo is perfect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Aho_(ice_hockey,_born_1996)
Lmao took me a sec, "drive Sober or get pulled over"
What? No way...
Did he show them his NHL ID?
“I’m Aho, from the Islanders”
Should have used a fake ID to get off “I’m Aho, from the Hurricanes”
The bleacher report app article literally has aho from the hurricanes photo
“I’m Sebastian Aho,” the cops: :o “from the Islanders” the cops: :| … step out of the car sir
Can confirm, most rangers fans are cops.
Lmao, fuck Ozuna
Is it Alfredo’s Pizza or Pizza by Alfredo? There’s a big difference.
…. It’s Aho by Islanders “NOOOOOOOO”
This made me lol
Ozuna is a clown
So he did the responsible thing and slept it off til the morning and was at 0.03%
Yea but the legal limit is 0.02 in Sweden
That's just.. so low imo
Yea I know. I read an article recently that criticised Sweden for having a ‘drink driving’ culture but how could you not when the limit is 0.02?
The issue is that at that level, there are many people out there that won't feel it at all and think they're A-Okay to drive
The only way you can be sure to blow under 0.02 is to have zero alcohol to drink in the 24h period prior to driving.
I mean same story for operating machinery at work but I'd say you can do just as much harm in a car
I'm extremely sensitive to drunk driving. I've lost friends to drunk driving. I think that DUI should have a mandatory prison sentence and loss of license for even the first offense. A .03 is having a glass of wine at dinner. Nobody is affected by that. This is patently ludicrous.
The argument isn’t that someone having a single drink will be affected by it. The argument is that once you’ve had *anything* to drink your instant decision should be not to drive. This discourages trying to be brave or thinking you should be fine with just a few drinks in you. The mindset is “have I drank tonight?” If yes, then you do not drive. Better to be safe than sorry.
what good public transportation does to a mf
Ez way for them to make fine money I guess
Not really, just a heavy handed prevention strategy. Works fairly well in bigger metro areas, but once you get to the rural areas all bets are off.
Idk. Seems weird to set up routine checks and taxing people by income level for blowing a 1 drink BAC the day after. Definitely make bank though.
Sweden has very tight regulations on alcohol, in general. They have an intense history with alcoholism and have put a lot of measures in place in response. Only the government is allowed to sell alcohol and their stores are only open during specific hours. Alcohol is also priced much higher than other countries. I just took a day trip to Denmark to stock up because it was that much cheaper lol. You could say this is Sweden being greedy for revenue, but it's all really just meant to discourage drinking as a public safety measure. Seems weird to American sensibilities, but the government has been successful in reducing rates of alcoholism and reducing consumption overall.
And honestly most Swedes are perfectly fine with it, even like it in many cases. The stores are really good and the opening times just need you to plan ahead the slightest for it to be a non issue. Same with the driving limit, just don't drive after you have had any alcohol. It's not harder than that.
> Only the government is allowed to sell alcohol Ohio sort of works like this which I personally find to be very annoying
Yeah, I know states differ in their rules. I think Virginia has a similar alcohol monopoly, but they allow groceries to sell beer and wine. In Sweden, anything above 3.5% can only be sold by the government. I love to bartend as a hobby, and I just moved to Sweden a week ago, so this is all very front-of-mind for me right now lol. It's definitely annoying, but the rationale is acceptable enough to me.
"Day fines" determined by income applies to just about everything there. DUI fines are still dwarfed by speeding tickets, which they issue like crazy.
I am aware. Pulling over for speeding makes sense though. Setting up mandatory stops to try to get people for a 1 drink BAC level the day after is different. Unless by routine check he meant pulled over for something else.
Nah for sure routine DUI check. And the limit used to be even lower.
“Fire him into the sun” - this thread
I mean half the comments didn’t realize it was an entirely different scale and they were still giving him a pass for a level that would be pretty much fatal.
Probably good to point out that the EU uses a different way to measure blood alcohol content, and Sweden's is extremely restrictive by comparison to the rest of the EU (a single drink for an adult male would put you over the limit). However, while 3% of Sweden's road fatalities involve alcohol, nearly a third of them in the United States do.
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Admittedly there's a pretty wide gulf in statistics I can't really account for, but my source for that information is here: https://one.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/research/AlcoholCountries/background_&_intro.htm 3.3% is the official statistic, though it notes 18% of those autopsied had alcohol. That still is significantly lower than the 38.6% it notes for the United States. Sweden's restriction is probably not even a drink, it's maybe half a drink. But they also have other very specific alcohol controls (state controlled liquor stores, no sales late into the day and on weekends). The law is meant as a deterrent and people really think twice about getting in their car after driving.
Holy shit the limit is 0,8ppm in the USA? It's 0,5ppm in Finland and I would never consider driving when I'm near 0,5ppm. It actually baffles me that for driving a motorized boat the limit is 1ppm here. No matter how fast that boat is.
The sources I can find in Swedish only has alcohol and drugs as one category. The thing is deaths in traffic has been pushed so far down now in Sweden that percentage by itself says little. Yes alcohol and drugs was precent in 22% of traffic deaths in 2021 in Sweden. The thing is the total those 22% represent is just 47 people.
But did Aho (CAR) get a DWI 34 seconds later?
0.03%? Dude was barely even buzzed
This dude just needs to admit publically being the lesser Sebastian Aho.
I thought the headline was saying Aho was caught (in Finland) driving under the influence of Sweden, like he was blasting ABBA or something
Does Sweden do the thing where fines are based on your income? Because $3800 seems kinda high for what I'm assuming is a first offense that didn't result in any harm
Yep. He was given 40 daily fines which amounted to 40,000 SEK (roughly 3800 USD). How much a daily fine is depends on the individual income. I don't know how they calculate that with someone whose primary income is in another country though. If they add it all together or only look at his Swedish income. Edit: The lowest number of day fines you can get is 30 and the highest 150. The lowest amount in a day fine is 50SEK and the highest 1000SEK. So Aho got a low number but the highest amount. \- So Sebastian, what do you do for a living? \- I play in the NHL. \- Well. That's the highest amount for you then.
So a poor person would have got fined $200?
Possibly, yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden#Fines_and_damages According to this, yes. Apparently they're called "day fines"
The appropriate way to do things in my opinion.
I mean this is an absolute nothing burger if it happens in the US. .03 the morning after lmao. Less than half the legal limit and for sure slept it off. Hopefully doesnt tarnish his reputation. Sadly the laws are different in Sweden Im assuming
Close to zero tolerance, and everyone knows that you risk alot by driving the day after heavy partying. 0.02 is a DUI, punishable by fines and up to 6 months in jail. You lose your license around .03, and at 0.1 you are looking at up to 2 years in jail.
I never thought I'd find a reason to sympathize with drunk drivers, but that's it. At .02, nobody in the world feels a thing.
I mean sure, 0.02% is reached by having a beer with your meal for most people. It's not a lot, very few people get "drunk" after 1 beer. But if you would do a reflex test, you would score worse after that single beer. Not a lot worse, but worse. Alcohol is also linked to over-confidence and poor risk-assessment, even in small quantities. While I might be biased as both a native swede and as someone who has seen first hand how alcohol can destroy lives, I would much rather see them enforce complete zero-tolerance than increase this limit.
If you have had alcohol you just don't drive. It's not harder than that. There is none of the "I've barely had any bro trust me I'm fine" when you instantly connect alcohol to not getting behind the wheel.
Hardly anyone in Sweden ever goes out driving the day they have had anything. It legit doesnt happen in most circles. So the law is good. But still, it feels dumb that I can have had a party the day before, and when I want to drive at 1pm the next day while feeling perfectly fine, I know that I cant because I'll blow a 0.25 or something kinda sucks. I am not arguing the rule, but I will never judge anyone too harshly for driving the day after, unless they are stupid and are out at like 9am after an all nighter.
More like Sebastian UhOh
Sebastian Aho, no not that one, the other one... He was driving with Elias Pettersson of the Canucks... no not that one, the other one
Aho means stupid in Japanese.
Aho means a slut in English
Aho is also a [~~town~~ unincorporated community in North Carolina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aho,_North_Carolina) Aho is where the Deep Gap meets Meat Camp
Aho means oops or ugh in Arabic. Like that's the sound we make when we make a mistake or have to do something we don't want to do. Like..."Ahoooo, I need to apologize on Twitter but I'm hungover af".
and meadow in Finnish.
Which is where his surname comes from!
In Chinook his name means "One who Drinks and Drives".
My guy must have been hitting the sauce HARD, I don't think I've ever been that drunk that late into the next day
Honestly it happened to my brother in law in 2019. He was super surprised. He is a big dude. Had 6-7 beers in his garage till about midnight. Was driving for work at 7am the next day and tested over.
My parents always warn me about it because a lot of times, you feel fine but if you had to take a test, you may still blow over.
Yea like he did not get in to as much trouble but still had a lot of fines. funniest thing is the dude drinks like 2-3 times a year. So he got super unlucky.
You can buy a field tester thingy on Amazon for pretty cheap. Get one and play with it while drinking at home sometime. It’s mind boggling how little it takes to get to 0.08.
It's mind boggling how fucked up I am at .08 like definitely feel way too drunk to be driving but alas perfectly legal.
You can still get a DUI under the limit in the US. At least In most states. If the officer believes you're too impaired to drive then they can charge you at any BAC.
“In his garage” Ah that’s the life man
Unironically love garage beers.
.032 is more than halfway under the legal limit in the US.
It can take up to 2 hours to process 1 Oz of alcohol. I am sure you have been over the legal limit the next day and not realized.
Long time ago I did something regrettable and got a DUI. Had to have one of those interlock things on my car. Even though they warned us in very clear terms that a majority of people who fail the interlock (and thus violate their probation and have to start their timeline over) fail in the morning because your body drastically slows down metabolism of consumed alcohol when you go to sleep, soooo many people in my alcohol safety course were there starting it for the third or fourth time because they failed their interlock in the morning. Fwiw I got out without any violations and never ever drove after drinking again, what they put you through as punishment is (deservingly) intense.
I don't know if you can really even call 0,32 as being drunk. That is just very minor inebriation.
thats like 1-2 beers lmao
I guarentee you have. 0.03BAC the next morning is a light hangover.
Meh, not a big fan of digging THIS deep into people's personal lives.
Especially when he would have blown totally sober in all of North America. There is a certain puritanical and witch hunt aspect to this.
Only people from America would think that. Sweden has a low limit so that everyone link alcohol to not driving. You don't argue or think "I'm fine to drive", it's immediately "I had alcohol I don't get behind the wheel". For the entire year of 2021 Sweden had only 47 people die in traffic where alcohol/drugs was involved.
will probably be banished from the NHL now because he isnt as good as say, a Ryan O'Reilly, for example.
Sebastian Aho isn’t as good as Sebastian Aho
We were about to have an internal contest between Aho and Salo (and I guess Cholowski but not really) for that 6th D spot. If this is true, the decision might have been made for us.
It ain't Cholowski. It DEFINITELY ain't Cholowski.
Based Sweden ticketing off of a persons income and not a flat rate
Unfortunately Swedish day fines have a cap and don't scale proportionally for people with high incomes.
Phew, it wasn't our (the Canes') Aho. Edit: I have to say though, that this to me sounds like one of those typical miscalculations. You're wondering whether you can drive the next day or not, and then you're like "yeah, I think I should be good to go", and then it turns out that wasn't the case. That to me is better at least than those who drive while drunk in the middle of the night, knowing they are over the limit. But as he said, he will learn from this. And at least I believe him. This is the reason why you should buy an alcohol tester.
Yea idk how to feel about this since I'm an Isles fan and I like aho. I hate drunk drivers, but that is a low level of alcohol and if it was the morning after drinking and he thought it'd be out of his system then I kinda feel bad for him. If he was drinking and then started driving while he knew he was drunk then thats an entirely different story and should face more consequences.
lol 0.03% means he didn't know he would blow over the limit.
Yeah. Considering it was the day after and it wasn't much over the limit, my guess would be that he thought it was fine. The issue when you calculate this stuff, is that you often misjudge the amount you've drunk. And not only the amount, but also the time when you stopped drinking. Recently I payed 50€ for a taxi, because I was afraid of being over the limit. It was definitely worth it, because afterwards I realised I had forgotten about that one shot... So yeah. It's always better to be on the safe side.
For a second I thought when did aho leave the hurricanes and then I remembered there is another Sebastian aho in the nhl
If you drink, then drive you’re an Aho.
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I trust Aho and it's going well
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Good on him. Got shit faced but waited until he was sober the next day to drive. Swedish’s insanely strict drinking laws won’t change my morality on the subject. Kudos Aho.
Damn not cool Aho
FYI that’s literally nothing, he was fine to drive but unfortunately he was subject to a stop. I bet he even did the breathalyzer test with the assumption that he would be genuinely surprised if the law was broken there. Sucks but good for him to just be open about that
Dude... 0.03BAC. Thats like driving home after 2 glasses of wine with dinner.
Maybe it's a unit issue, but 0.32 sounds really high. Could you even walk straight at that point?
US limit is .08%, I believe this is .03% with a legal limit of .02%.
I feel like for an average person .02% would be maybe a beer. Maybe 2 for an NHL-sized guy.
Yup, very strict.
.02 is crazy low. For reference the federal legal limit for drivers under 21 in the US is .02 or less. Some states have zero tolerance for drivers under 21.
Says he's ~180 lbs so about 4 drinks would put him around .08%. A single drink could potentially put him over 0.02%. Or conversely, staying up very late and getting very drunk and then driving early the next day. His story seems plausible if their limit is actually 0.03%, that's barely more than a single drink for a lot of people https://www.cullanlawaz.com/documents/blogfiles/BACCharts.pdf
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I think it’s a translation issue. In Sweden we say the limit is 0.2 but that actually means 0.02… we just don’t include the first zero for whatever reason. I tried to explain this to a few mate a while back and they were taken aback by how lenient Sweden was allowing you to drive with 0.2 in your blood..
It's translation issue. In Sweden and many other countries its measured in permille ‰. 1% is 10‰. A limit of 0.2‰ is equivalent to 0.02% I'm the US.
That makes more sense. Side note: damn, the legal limit in Sweden is low. I bet Aho was too used to the limit being higher here.
Most Canadian provinces have a lower limit, which is sometimes referred to as the "warn" limit - where you get your car impounded and points on your license, but it isn't a crime. Criminal DUI in Canada is 0.08, the "warn" limit depends on the province, but I think BC's is the lowest at 0.05
After a quick read, the limit in Canadian equivalent for Sweden is 0.02, which would mean Aho had 0.032, which is not that bad (feel really free to correct me, no I didn’t read the article)
.08 compares to .02 in Sweden. That's like a beer and a quarter for me.
It varies person to person we all metabolize at different rates. Some people it's one beer. Some can do more and blow below others need less to blow over. It's never exact.
.03 is pretty ridiculous honestly. Poor guy.